Thinking Stalin used the trappings of Communism merely as a means to grab power and form a dictatorship is the bluepill, the red pill is knowing he was a committed, genuine Communist and believed it was the most effective path for Socialism to progress into Comrade Marx and Lenin's vision
>>9870660YeahIt's such a shame that he was the only one who actually believed in communism. Not even Lenin or Trotsky did, let alone the faggot "communists" around today, which would've been killed under based Stalin.Its pretty sad, really):
>>9870660I appreciate how he caved in the skulls of the stupid fucking anarchists in Spain. Stalin and Lenin wrecked anarchists in general whenever those dorks popped up. That's something nice I will say about Stalin.
>>9870660I mean, why would anyone believe this shit. Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were thoroughly committed Communists like 15 years before the Bolshevik revolution. Its not like it happened and then they just bandwagoned on despite never mentioning Communism before.
>>9870660He was the greatest communist to ever live, thats why the (((west))) has to demonise him at every oprotunity beacuse they fear another man like him to rcome to power
>>9870660Stalin was a Great Man of his Era. Him believing communism or not doesn't matter, he's the most firm example of a totalitarian autocrat. I dislike poltards who hate him, I see Stalin as nothing more than a Red Tsar. Especially after Barbarossa when he embraced elements of nationalism including the Russian Orthodoxy and Assimilation.
>>9871736No he wasn't. Stalin was not some genius who came with all these ideas and personally kicked Trotsky out. You do realise Stalin was not Superman and could not possibly have directed every fucking thing that happened in the USSR, nor were ideas unique to him.
>>9871786In fact, guess what Stalin's MOST ANNOTATED WORK in his personal collection was? Trotsky's "Terror and Communism", which deals with the question of the kulak peasantry. So even some of Stalin's ideas he got from Trotsky. So no, he wasn't "the great man".
>>9871786This, OP here. I didn't mean to sound like I was glorifying Stalin, merely that the commie deflection that he was simply a ruthless authoritarian instead of a sincere ideologue is wrong. He was also a paranoid monster and a common bandit in the early days.
>>9871819Well I mean, I do glorify Stalin, I support Stalin. What I don't agree with is great man theory.
>>9871836Ah, well. Fuck you, sir or madam.
>>9871846Well saying he was a "paranoid monster" is great man theory. There's no evidence he actually had paranoia, and many of his adherents today (not me since I criticise Stalin on this) still believe there was some vast Trostkyite conspiracy against the Bolshevik government or it was all just foreign spies, and that's what led to the great purge. And none of these people are paranoiacs. It was a problem with theory and science, not a result of some brain condition Stalin had.
>>9871786When did I ever say he was a genius? He was a strongman, an autocrat. I simply believe he embodies what those things are, superseding ideologies. I certainly don't glorify him, Bukharin would've been better and what he did to him is heinous. It really comes down if you believe in great man theory or not, which you don't.
>>9872158By implying he was a Great Man secretly doing everything? Stalin was not a "tsar", like, there were people in government who disagreed with him. Like, you say Bukharin "would've been better", Stalin was on Bukharin's side on the through the early 20's. So what, was Stalin a "good guy" then and suddenly turned into a bad guy later?
>>9872204A Great Man doesn't necceaarily mean a good man, just a man that through his own will changes history. Timur was a "great man", but hardly any would call him good. Furthermore there were people in Imperial Russia's government who disagreed with the Tsar on ranging issues. False equivalences.
>>9871289>He was the greatest communist to ever liveNo, that was comrade Deng.
>>9870660obviously on the surface it's a very simple lefty cope to say "he was really a facist bro!" But I can see the logic among people who actually study the history of communism saying how he betrayed the true intellectual elites who started the movement and were committed to the whole worldwide communist revolution that Trotsky refused to stop calling for. In that sense Stalinism became different from Leninsm when Stalin decided to put all emphasis on the Soviet Unions interests, while all the other original guys hated nationalism, even though they were actual russians unlike him lol
>>9870660The /his/ pill is that Stalin is just another 'Oriental Despot' just like so many others in the region throughout history.
>>9870660So a real socialist is someone like Hitler who believed in the ideology, and in redressing the corrupted social order that took resources from his people and gave them to French, jews, Brits, and others. Stalin was NOT an ideologue, and was very flexible in bending the rules in order to benefit his position. The rabid schizo killings of his underlings in contrast to Hitler's record illustrates that Stalin was only interested in power, not in his supposed ideology. I'm a National Socialist BTW, so nobody respond with 'bluepill' bullshit.
>>9872769Are you implying hitler didn't kill his underlings?
>>9872769>Stalin was NOT an ideologueThat kind of comes with using Marxist method.
>>9872781He liquidated Rohm and the SA leadership that was loyal to Rohm. This was a legitimate consolidation of power, unlike Stalin's purges. Rohm posed a legitimate threat, whereas Stalin had anyone killed who'd gained too much support for his liking. Kaganovich was one of the only ones who survived, along with Beria.
>>9872783He abandoned the concept of international revolution, which is a fundamental principle of Marxism. Trotsky stayed true to the ideology, and was killed by Stalin's assassin.
>>9872880Okay thats a joke right? Hitler's purges are 'legitimate' and Stalins are illegitimate lol.
>>9872905>international revolution, which is a fundamental principle of MarxismNope!Proletarian internationalism =/= World revolution.
>>9870660He did but the communist party was ran by Jews.
>>9872908Yes that's what I'm saying. Rommel was liquidated for his participation in the 20 July Plot. Stalin on the other hand had senior military officers executed when they weren't even plotting against him! How do you fools not recognize that 99% of the animus against Hitler is seething jew cope over Hitler being a better leader than Stalin?
>>9872917Play with semantics, it doesn't interest me.
>>9872997Oh yeah forgot about that ""Plot"" and I'm pretty sure 99% of the animus for Hitler comes from him invading their country and killing their citizens, not whoever was the best leader.
>>9873002It's got nothing to do with semantics moron, one is a pseudo-imperialist Trotskyite invention and the other is a description of the inevitable class consciousness arising globally following societal and economic development.
>>9870660Stalin being some power hungry bloke is a myth. He was very well read and was a devout Marxist.
>>9873020The plot wasn't real? Hitler and Nazi Germany gave international jewry the excuse it had been seeking to take over Palestine. That is why we must be reminded daily during the unofficial 2 Minutes Hate about why we should all hate Hitler and love jews.
>>9873033Both are crap in reality. Feel better now snooky?
>>9873181Well maybe it was maybe it wasn't the Nazi's weren't keeping good records. And people can hate the Nazis without having an opinion on Jews. Why don't you understand that the Nazis invaded people against their will and killed their citizens? Generally that makes people hate you.
>>9873034>Stalin being some power hungry bloke is a myth.>Stalin used to labor union faction to oppose the intelligentsia faction, and then had both sides killed, eliminating the main opposition to his ascendance to the Throne of Commie KingNice.
>>9871289ohhhh, a commie jew hater. very rare!
>>9873213The funniest thing is the communists hated jews just as much as the Nazis.
>>9873193The Soviets did as well. My country invaded Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and used it's influence to topple governments in central and south america, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, and now wants Syria, Venezuela, and Iran to fall. We are the 'good guys' lmao. Hitler was small potatoes compared to us.
>>9873219>fart sucking larp
>>9873221Oh yeah thats the shortlist of US achievements. And how do the Vietnamese, Iraqis and Afghans feel about the US?
Blackpill: He was a dumb guy.
>>9873227I really meant to say communists under Stalin lol. Thats enough posting for me.
>>9872743Stalin continued to be an internationalist, as shown by his continuous support for Marxist-Leninist parties in foreign countries. It's just Trotskyite cope to say he didn't look outwards at all
>>9873227>trusting sources about the Soviet Union from before 1991I'll have to read about Plocker and Snyder but jesus christ dude, don't post about the Soviet Union if you think the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1919 is a good source on it
>>9873421Of course it is a good source, as it completely reaffirms what everyone already knows--the USSR wouldn't have happened without the hugely disproportional Jewish influence. Jews only made up 1.8% of Russia's population, ok? If we are being fair here, we should attribute the Soviet Union's very existence to Jews, as we do Nazi Germany's to Germans. Go read the report the 1919 report, called the Overman Committee report. You stupid fucks still think you're fooling the world 100 years after the US congress nailed your asses. You guys are a joke.
>>9873338ok butt cake. nite.
>>9873464I've found it here: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020457902&view=1up&seq=13The focus seems to be on the potential of Bolshevism spreading to the United States. A justified fear at the time, perhaps, but it's not in any way a good analysis of the state of Russia in 1919, considering all of the testimony and records are being provided by American witnesses, and no access to interviews, documents etc. from either Red or White sources is disclosed. In comparison, a book from 2006 has access to both this 1288 page report along with millions and millions of pages of archival documents and testimony written by people who were actually in Russia during the Civil War
>>9870660I doubt that redpill conclusion is accurate, but if it is, then I'm glad communists are laughing stocks to most people and very little actual communists (not authoritarian nationalists larping as Communists) are in positions of power
>>9870660Stalin is an absolute based Communist Leader. His devotion to his land and people threatened the US so damn much they had to turn him into a big boogeyman. The lad carried Lenin's vision with such determination and it's a damn shame to see the sorry state the Soviet Union fell into after his death. He died with only a couple coats, a pen, a pipe, and what would be roughly $300 to his name.
>>9870660the real redpill is that there was no alternative and Stalin became leader because it was the only choice available to the SOULviets. After the 1918 Revolutions in Germany failed , Trotsky's idea of a world revolution were dashed. But seriously there was a time around 1918 were it looked like a world revolution was going to happen. If this world revolution (or at least in big countries like Germany, obviously wouldn't of happened in every country) had happened, none of the horrors of the Soviet Union would have happened because they weren't necessary. But it's 1920, and the Soviets are on their own. Seriously, it's just them. Communists elsewhere are being put down. You're completely isolatedThe actions Stalin took were the only ones available to them in this extreme isolation. Remember that communism really is a international project inherently. And without that international aspect available, you get the Soviet Union
>>9873495What's the name of your book from 2006? Is the author Jewish? Does he practice revisionist forms of historical interpretation that absolve Jews from their leading role in the revolutions, purges, terrorism, and Soviet regime? Ask yourself these questions.
>>9870660Stalin was one of the last great leaders in history.
>>9870660Stalin was a loyal Okhrana agent his whole life.
>>9873219don't let the progressives hear, they might have to think for once.
>>9875883I didn't even know thus until I started learning russian jokes.