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Please tell me about Orthodox Christian theology and philosophy.
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"I like leavened bread, ergo so did Jesus."
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What is the Orthodox Christian view on ethnocentrism? Are they in favor of racial nationalism?
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>>9869400
It’s like islam except minus 15 IQ points
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>>9869698
Is this real?
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>>9869698
Fucking gross
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>>9869704
how so
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>>9869676
no they are clearly not
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>>9869796
why
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>>9869823
because the word of Christ is for everyone
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>>9869676
No, Christianity is in favor of pre globalism, pre industrial revolution agrarian/rural regime, fascism, communism and liberalism are all sons of the french revolution and freemasonic ideas.
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>>9869676
It's viewed as ethnocentric because it was the first to preach in peoples languages and each nation got it's own church. The Orthodox church is also global, like the Catholic church, but for them every patriarch is equal (the pope included), so it's more decentralized than Catholicism. It is not ethnocentric per se, but from the circumstances it is somewhat tied to the ethnic group of the church, and many of the "practitioners" are doing so more as a part of national identity rather than actual faith, so i see how you'd get that idea.
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>>9869997
Do they support open borders and globalization?
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>>9869852
>pre globalism, pre industrial revolution agrarian/rural regime
What does this look like
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>>9871877
peasants and priests
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>>9871881
Weren't people back then basically ethnocentric
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>>9871914
bump desu
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>>9869632
???
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>>9869997
>for them every patriarch is equal (the pope included), so it's more decentralized than Catholicism. It is not ethnocentric per se, but from the circumstances it is somewhat tied to the ethnic group of the church
So the Protestants wouldn't need to make such a big deal about shit if they just converted to Orthodoxy instead of Catholicism?
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>>9872871
most protestants aren't really iconic, some even straight up iconoclastic
only some every now and then, but none of that holy relics or whatever
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>>9869676
No
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>>9869834
The two arent in conflict
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>>9872982
1. That's not the definition of a nation. All of humanity is descended from a common progenitor (who is Adam, if you are a Christian).
2. People and Nation are not the same thing. Peoples have always existed: nations are an invention of the Modern era.
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>>9872966
But like I said, in pre-enlightenment times, wasn't everyone basically ethnocentric? Wasn't that just the default back then?
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>>9873008
Nationalism is a view of human government. Universal (international) salvation does not have any implications for human government.

>nations are an invention of the Modern era.
No, you're thinking of nation states

>>9873010
Yes
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>>9873008
Before modern times, if you just started importing African immigrants into a European village, you don't think the local people would have a problem with this? You think everyone just started being "racist" after the rise of modernism and the industrial revolution?
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>>9872966
This priest sounds very simple-minded and also really gay.
I expected better desu. I was led to believe that Orthodox Christianity is the based traditionalist path.
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>>9873078
Grow up lol
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>>9873078
That would be Protestant kinism
http://faithandheritage.com/faq/
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>>9873010
>But like I said, in pre-enlightenment times, wasn't everyone basically ethnocentric?

Most people in pre-enlightenment times lived in more-or-less isolated local rural agricultural communities with clan-like structures, where basically everyone was part of one or a few extended families.
They were "clan-centric" or "family-centric", rather than ethnocentric in the modern sense. i.e.
Loyalty to clan was greater than loyalty to "ethnicity". If there was an external invader from a completely different "ethnicity", they could unite against them, or they could collaborate with them to get a one-up on their rival clans.
You see similar structures in modern-day tribal societies like Afghanistan, the Caucasus, etc.

It's very different from the way people living in developed nation-states today perceive "ethnocentrism", which is basically ethno-nationalism.

>No, you're thinking of nation states

If you want to get anal about the distinction between nations and nation states, then nations are an invention of Medieval Catholic Europe. "Nations" were just factions of elites from various parts of Europe who formed factions in early European universities.
Even in this case, a nation is different from a people, because self-identification as a nation requires certain cultural pre-requisites.
For example, in Imperial Russia, the Russian landowning class was a "nation", but the Russian peasantry was still a "people".
They lived in two different worlds, spoke different languages, etc.

>Before modern times, if you just started importing African immigrants into a European village, you don't think the local people would have a problem with this?

Local people would be concerned for their local affairs, not for the affairs of some broader "ethnicity" or "nation".
They would probably be happy if their rival village was experiencing problems.
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>>9873021
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>>9872966
>Matthew Warren Heimbach (born April 8, 1991) is a former white nationalist who tried to form alliances with other groups of the "far right". In September 2018, Heimbach took the position of community outreach director for the National Socialist Movement (NSM).[1] He founded the Traditionalist Workers Party (TWP), which ceased operation in March 2018 when he was arrested for assaulting Matt Parrott, a co-founder and his father-in-law,[1][2] in the course of Heimbach's pursuit of a sexual affair with his mother-in-law (Parrott's wife).[3]
Sounds like a real fucking winner.
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>>9869676
don't listen to the cucks. They are.
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>>9873025
>if you just started importing African immigrants into a European village

This happened a lot throughout history, except it was not African immigrants, but slaves from other ethnicities, captured as prisoner-of-war or else.

>You think everyone just started being "racist" after the rise of modernism and the industrial revolution?
Yes. Because race as a concept didn't exist until the Modern Era and scientific inquiries into the anthropological basis of Racial theory.
People were tribal, not racist.
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>>9869400
4chan needs a /rel/ forum so these posts quit mucking up /h/ and /pol/ and /lit/.
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>>9873134
Yes heimbach is gubu

>>9873110
I'm not getting pedantic I'm just using the term nation correctly. It is not a modern concept.
Nation is an appropriate translation of ethnos
Acts 17 says god made the nations and set the bounds of their habitation.
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>>9873165
8kun dot top/christian
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>>9873150
Seems triggered.
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>>9873165
>/h/
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>>9873188
seems like your trying to talk about a religion your not part of. You don't see me talking about taking dicks in the ass, because I know thats libtards and red dit's thing.
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>>9873179
thanks
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>>9873201
I possess spiritual power beyond your comprehension.
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>>9873174
>Acts 17 says god made the nations and set the bounds of their habitation.

what's the word used in the original greek?
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>>9873217
ethnos

>>9873208
yw :)
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>>9873078

You were led to believe because you're a retarded teenager to whom would have considered conversion to Hinduism if pol convinced you to
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>>9872871
Well, they tried. Melanchthon tried to approach the Orthodox church a lot during the beginning of the reformation. But when they send a letter with their theological positions to the Patriarch of Constantinople, he replied to them answering their arguments from the Orthodox point of view, which was indistinguishable from the Catholic one. So they gave up.
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>>9873078
You must be 18 years or older to post here.
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>>9873150
What is the council of 1872? What is literally every Christian teaching ever? But nooo here's some illiterate Russian nobody spewing burger identity politics. So traditional and based.
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>>9869400
Stagnant theology full of superstitious nonsense.
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>>9869400
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>>9869400
God is in love with you and wants a relationship with you so what He can reveal Himself to you in eternity as a friend.
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>>9869400
Its the same as regular christianity
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>>9872334

The Eucharist is one of the most important Christian sacraments, typically celebrated by eating bread and drinking wine, representing (or literally transformed into) the flesh and blood of Jesus, mirroring the last supper.

Different regions of the world used different breads for the ceremony. The Orthodox Church used leavened bread, i.e. bread with yeast, because that's what they ate in Greece. When they found out that other Churches used unleavened bread, i.e. flatbread, they threw a fit and excommunicated them, claiming that only Jews would eat flatbread. Ignoring the fact that Jesus and his followers were Jews, and the actual last supper almost certainly consisted of flatbread, if it happened at all.
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>>9873150
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>>9873243
Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) is very traditionalist and nationalist in its most authentic form. Watch the channel Dharma Nation on youtube.
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>>9869676
Greek here, of course we are. Research saint paisios. He said that we should love everyone but be careful of commies, but if they belive i n god then its ok. Our religion shaped us as Greeks. Μολων λαβε
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>>9873355
How is this burger identity politics when he is simply saying how obviously evil, corrupt, and Satanic BLM is, which anyone with an IQ above 80 can clearly see? He is right.
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>>9874749
>When they found out that other Churches used unleavened bread, i.e. flatbread, they threw a fit and excommunicated them, claiming that only Jews would eat flatbread.
Absolutely based and not in an ironic way.
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People still had eyes and could see what they looked like. Let's say for instance you went back to medieval times and you brought together a Swede and a German who looked at least vaguely similar to each other, and you also brought a sub-Saharan African. You don't think that the Swede and the German would innately trust each other and feel more in common with each other than they would for the African?
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>>9869400

these guys (the creators of the youtube channel) are 2 quite crazy sedevacantists living in a building they call a monastery, but their criticism of Eastern Orthodox Palamism and Hesychastic meditation is very well documented, and pretty much what Catholics used to believe before the 1960's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpBWkxJNL3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTQbU1kqxFM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07mgLoOW8g

Eastern Orthodox believe that through breathing and meditation techniques and repeating prayers (like mantras) they can see the same light that was seen during the transfiguration of Christ, which is obvious paganism, especially since that same technique is used by many eastern religions, who also manage to see a light or feel an energy by doing the same thing, and is probably just a neurological phenomenon.
They also divide God in 2, the God you can't interact with because you would get destroyed trying to look at God directly, his essence, and the energies, such us that light of Tabor, that are uncreated and therefore God, but you can interact with. That is heresy. The traditional Christian belief has always been that the burning bush Moses saw, or the light of Tabor, were created marvels of God, not God himself.
Palamism appeared after the east west schism of 1053, it appeared in the 1300s iirc.
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>>9876540
>Eastern Orthodox believe that through breathing and meditation techniques and repeating prayers (like mantras) they can see the same light that was seen during the transfiguration of Christ, which is obvious paganism
According to who?
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How do you figure out which religion is the right one? There are so many people who all seem certain that their path is the truth and a lot of them make really good points. I have read strong arguments for Orthodox Christianity, Catholicism, various Protestant churches, as well as Hinduism, ancient European religion, and animism. How do you sort out all these arguments and find the truth?
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>>9873159
"Racism" existed already. They just didn't have a word for it yet because it's the natural state, not some sort of invention. We are supposed to be ethnocentric and watching the mental gymnastics you people go through to deny this is embarrassing and absurd.
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>>9873110
>It's very different from the way people living in developed nation-states today perceive "ethnocentrism", which is basically ethno-nationalism.
It's the same thing on a larger scale. You are delusional.
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>>9876351
People trust those who are closer to them culturally, not racially. A Russian will forever be closer to the Russian-speaking Asiatics than they will be to random burgers who can't speak for shit in their tongue. People keep confusing cultural connection for ethnic connection.
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>>9876671
Culture comes from race.
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>>9876629
this desu
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>>9876741
proof
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>>9877962
biology desu
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>>9869676
Philetism is a heresy. You should like your people, your country/nation, etc. because those are things Providence deemed good and worthy of existing. You should not put others to shame because of that.
Your love for your country should be a reflection of your love for your neighbour. That doesn't mean you should hate other countries/races, though.
Don't listen to those people who instrumentalize St. Paisios. Check Peter Heers' video on St Paisios.
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Is Jay Dyer a good source for learning about Orthodoxy?
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>>9876629
>It's the same thing on a larger scale.
No, things function different at large enough scales, and this applies to social relationships and loyalties especially. Large enough changes in scale lead to qualitative, systemic changes.

Loyalty to someone whom you can approximately place somewhere in your family tree and reliably trace a common lineage a few generations back with, within a few minutes of knowing them, is different to loyalty to someone who merely speaks the same language, celebrates the same holidays, and identifies as the same ethnic group you do.
It requires an entirely different worldview, system of values, and mindset specific to pre-modernity, oriented around strict clan loyalty and intimate knowledge of one's lineage and family tree several generations back.
Many people in the Caucasus still know who their ancestors are 7 generations back, and that's considered a social value among them.

The main point, and the main difference, is that it's a very pragmatic and material-oriented system that focuses on tangible connections and relationships, rather than some abstract notion of broader ethnic identification.
The loyalties that pre-modern people expressed towards kin yielded practical and concrete advantages, because there was a culture oriented around preserving them in the form of unwritten codes of conduct, and honor codes, and other such variations of the same phenomena. And these codes would be enforced by actual individuals (elders), recognised and known by the entire clan.

And such social systems are only possible on small enough scales, wherein relationships can be kept track of.
But also they are only possible within a particular pre-modern form of socio-economic organisation.
So no, it's not just "the same thing on a larger scale". That's delusional.
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>>9876741
No, culture comes from material conditions and socio-economic organisation.
Race is correlated with those, but is not in direct causal relationship with them.
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>>9878908
>some abstract notion
Genes and physical appearance are not abstract. It is, in your own words, material-oriented.
They may not have known about genes but they could, of course, place people in categories based on appearance. To bring back my earlier example, a Swede and a German would see a lot more in common with each other than with an African.
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How come /his/ never talks about Oriental Orthodoxy? I rarely hear about Ethiopians, Armenians, or Copts.
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>>9879136
What I mean by abstract is having no bearing on the tangible, material aspects of a person's social life or a person's immediate experience of social reality.
Astrophysics is also material, but you wouldn't draw distinctions between categories of people based on their relationship with astrophysics.
This is why genetics is abstract with regard to the average person's social intuitions.
On the other hand, language and a common cultural background are material and not abstract in the social sense, because they have immediate and direct effects on social relationships.

Appearances are also not abstract, but they function as heuristics used to identify belonging to other categories, rather than functioning as the basis of a separate category.
It is true that when seeing 2 people for the first time, a person is more likely to assume common ground with the one who looks more like them. (and in most cases he would be right to do so.)

But first of all, let's not forget that appearances are used to judge people not only by their race/ethnicity, but by their socio-economic status as well, in addition to their personal qualities and cultural proclivities.
When the choice is between a well-groomed Japanese man in a clean dress shirt, and a fat white girl with blue hair and a dirty tank top with a feminist slogan, I would assume that the average man from Europe would experience more immediate affinity with the former.
Appearances include dress, hygiene, grooming styles, etc.
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>>9879136
>>9879302

Secondly, appearance is used as a preliminary method to identify whom you're likely to find common ground with based on statistical probability and prior experience, and is superseded by direct experience of those other categories when an actual relationship is established.
If you raise a Swede in Africa and an African in Sweden, then within a few minutes of talking to each of them, the German would find more in common with the African than with the Swede.

You would say that this is just a hypothetical, exceptional individual case, but there are instances where this "African raised in Sweden" scenario applies on a large scale: for instance, Asiatic populations in Russia, who have been integrated into Russian culture for centuries.
Although a Kazakh, or Tatar, or Buryat, or Yakut look different from an ethnic Russian, they will speak the same language (without an accent), live within the same cultural code, be connected to the same soil, celebrate the same holidays, have similar values and political beliefs, and generally share the same outlook on life, and they will find more in common with the average Russian, than the Russian will find with the average Protestant Swede or Anglican Englishman, or Japanese, or Bantu African.

Finally, you would be wrong to assume that there is always a simple correlation between similarity in appearance and expectation of common ground.
If a person harbors a particular dislike for a particular ethnic group (let's go full on /pol/ here and let's say the person hates Jews), and the choice is between an Ashkenazi from Poland, and an African from Mali, then I imagine the choice would lean slightly in favor of the African in Mali, despite the fact that the Jew objectively looks "more similar" (in terms of skin color, skull shape, constitution, etc) to a Northern European.
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>>9872966
I hate this cherry picking. If we are going to be non-seperationist, then he must abandon liberal capitalist democracy as well as racial separation. I guarantee Father Peter Jon Gillquist is not a radical anarcho-communist Christian. He clearly applies Gal 3:28 as he pleases to suit his own liberal worldview.

It is sad to see, but also clear. Christianity comes second, and liberal capitalist democracy comes first. Politics over theology.
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I don't like liberal capitalist democracy either but why would he have to abandon that just because he is anti-separationist?
I don't really see the connection desu.
If anything, I would think that liberal capitalist democracy is completely in line with his non-separationist, anti-racist worldview.
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>>9873165
Someone should make a religion general
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>>9873078
Covert clergy aren't very very based in the west only in some of the more hard core tradional churchs can you find more based preists and bishops
Pic related was based. I miss him so much bros
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>>9869676
Be Serbia and yes they are based
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>>9876540
False Catholic heretic propaganda
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>>9876540
>pretty much what Catholics used to believe before the 1960's
Catholic bishops also used to excommunicate people for not paying 300 years old interests. I don't think that invoking what Catholics used to believe gives any validity to one's argument, quite the opposite. The recent Popes have bring catholicism closer to original Christianity and back to its original roots whether tradLARPs consider them "cucked" or not. Of course, the guys at the meme monastery are not even Catholics, let alone some kind of authority in Catholic theology, and it would be better for them to ask for the help of a psychiatrist before they do any harm to themselves or others instead of making stupid videos of things they can't even comprehend.
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>>9879753
What anime is he from?
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>>9879947
But the pope supports the gays and divorce, the gays should be killed in the Bible and women can't divorce. Whore also get killed, but I doubt he would support it. Pedos also get the stone.
The pope isn't traditional at all.
>>9869676
Orthodox churches were used to unite a group of people under the same banner, so they can form an identity together. So yeah, its pretty ethnocentric, but it wont be Hitler tier racist of any sort. Most orthodox churches have a lot of local pagan beliefs mixed with em. And yeah, my church has been accused of phyletism (in 2015) before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyletism
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>>9880156
Yes the Pope doesn't hold signs writing "God hates fags" neither he's endorsing the stoning of thots or whatever other Protestant puritan theory tradLARPs think of based and traditional these days. That's why I said that he's bring catholicism back to the original roots of Christianity now.
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>>9880226
But the original roots of Christianity is stoning people and making babies.
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>>9871914
They were basically tilling the field.
Out of the way you industrial fucking shits.
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>>9880156
>Orthodox churches were used to unite a group of people under the same banner, so they can form an identity together.
Correct.
>So yeah, its pretty ethnocentric, but it wont be Hitler tier racist of any sort.
Correct as well, it beats Hitler in many aspects:
>The Devil teaches them [Jews]; the Devil taught them how to stand against the son of God, Jesus Christ. The Devil taught them through the centuries how to fight against the sons of Christ, against the children of light, against the followers of the Gospel and eternal life [Christians]. [...][35]
>Most orthodox churches have a lot of local pagan beliefs mixed with em.
Wrong. You cannot call every tradition pre-dating Christianity pagan, which has nothing to do with serving pagan gods. The birth of Christ is celebrated at a date close to the week-long Roman feast of Saturnalia, but their celebration is entirely different, one doesn't go around on Orthodox Christmas spreading anarchy. Saturnalia, Lupercalia etc. are all pagan rites which have been banned by the church long ago.
>>9872966
The OCA is not in full communion with the Orthodox Church.
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>>9869997
Short answer:
>Phyletism = bad
>Nationalism+faith = good
Long answer:
>Europe knows nothing other than what Jews serve up as knowledge. It believes nothing other than what Jews order it to believe. It knows the value of nothing until Jews impose their own measure of values […] all modern ideas including democracy, and strikes, and socialism, and atheism, and religious tolerance, and pacifism, and global revolution, and capitalism, and communism are the inventions of Jews, or rather their father, the Devil.[37]
>However, a due respect is to be to the current German Leader, who being a simple craftsman and a man from the people, realized that nationalism without faith is an anomaly, a cold and insecure mechanism.
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>>9880240
Eh no, that's just American puritanism that tradLARPs think that is somehow based. Probably because they "converted" (on the internet, they haven't set foot on a church like forever) to catholicism from some protestant denomination and it feels closer to their way of thinking.
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>>9869400

Orthodoxy has always emphasized the importance of what is called apophatic theology - the idea that God is beyond human understanding, so we can only approach an understanding of God by negation, e.g., God's attribute of being uncreated.

Catholicism was always way more philosophically ambitious. The upshot is that Orthodoxy is richer in spiritual mysticism, while Catholicism has more in the way of intellectual contributions to philosophy and theology.

The difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism in terms of mystical theology has major consequences in terms of how we conceive of prayer and how we commune with God. Orthodox believe through religion we can experience God's uncreated energies. Catholics believe we can only experience God through God's created effects.

Orthodox believe this is why Catholicism is scattered in its spiritual theology. There isn't a unified method of prayer in the Catholic Church. Rather you have a multitude of spiritual 'styles' developed by each monastic order. In Orthodoxy, the concept of prayer is unified under the notion of Hesychasm.
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catholicism but better, older, and without a gay pope
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>>9869676

The Orthodox Church does not oppose racial nationalism up until a point. You can't commit genocide, or throw people out of their homes because they're foreigners. You have to be the good Samaritan when confronted with a foreigner in need. And you can't throw people out of your church or deny them the sacraments because they're foreigners.

That said, nationalism is regarded as the natural form of social organisation in Orthodoxy. And preserving the integrity of one's nation in terms of its culture, language and blood is necessary because the liturgy itself is an organic expression of the people's language and culture. There can't be a liturgy without a nation through which it is given form.

There has to be a balance. Some people take nationalism too far and do injustice in its name. Some people act like they're more interested in building the kingdom of heaven on earth through their national struggle than on being a good Christian and getting saved.

The purpose of organising Orthodoxy according to self-governing national jurisdictions for administrative convenience. It'd be a mistake to read too much into it in terms of political ideology.
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>>9876540

Here we go...

Hesychasm is not "pagan". The Orthodox believe that receiving God's grace is to be exposed to God's uncreated energies. This could take the form of the light the apostles witnessed radiating from Jesus on Mt Tabor.

Hesychasm should not be undertaken without proper spiritual supervision and preparation. Hesychasm is not the same thing as transcendental meditation used in Buddhism. The latter can lead to panic attacks, mental illness or demonic possession because you're opening yourself up to the spiritual world while also inducing a hypnotic state where you vacate your mind of all thoughts. In Hesychasm the mind is focused on the words of the gospel.
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>>9876600

You're over-complicating the matter. The trick is not to think of the "true" Christian sect as an abstract set of precepts that have to be successfully argued like a philosophy seminar.

Instead recall that Jesus Christ established the church through the apostles and this was a concrete, historical reality. Just like a finger print you can look at the details of the sects and denominations that exist today and determine which matches the early church on the most points.

I used to think the Roman Catholic Church fit the bill. But these days I lean more heavily toward Eastern Orthodoxy. Take the Book of Acts, for example. The account of the Council of Jerusalem contained here does not agree with the Catholic belief in papal monarchy.
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>>9880773
The correspondance between the Church Fathers shows that Church councils could only be ratified by the Bishops of Rome (Leo's Tome is a necessary reading).
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>>9873355
>What is literally every Christian teaching ever?
BLM is against all of them, dipshit.
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>>9880753
How do the Anti-Orthadox Trad-Caths justify condemning this practice but not the ascetic Church fathers such as Simeon the Stylite?
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>>9879545
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What is the difference between evangelical Christianity and other kinds of Christianity? If evangelism means telling people about Jesus Christ, aren't all Christians supposed to do that?
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>>9880753
>The latter can lead to panic attacks, mental illness or demonic possession
The level of preparation, discipline and internal quietude required to even achieve a state of "transcendental meditation used in Buddhism" already excludes the possibility of "panic attacks, mental illness or demonic possession".
You must be thinking of some other more aggressive practice, such as Kundalini Yoga, or some kind of Tantra, and lumping it all under "Buddhism" or "Oriental mysticism", like Christians tend to do.

That said, your other posts have been quite informative.

>That said, nationalism is regarded as the natural form of social organisation in Orthodoxy. And preserving the integrity of one's nation in terms of its culture, language and blood is necessary because the liturgy itself is an organic expression of the people's language and culture. There can't be a liturgy without a nation through which it is given form.

This reminds me of how a key distinction between the spread of Catholicism in Europe and Orthodoxy in Rus' was the fact that Catholicism used Latin as an international Lingua Franca that was accessible only to the priesthood elite, and the Slavic Orthodox used their own native languages, bringing the people and the priesthood together to the same level.
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>>9880851
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>>9880851
Yes all Christians are supposed to obey the great commission which involves evangelism

Evangelicalism is a subset of Protestant Christians who especially engage in evangelism.
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Did the Orthodox church incorporate elements of European pagan folklore in its aesthetics and traditions like the Roman Catholic church did?
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>>9871696
No
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>>9883585
they literally worship graven images (icons) of "saints" (many of whom are simply adapted figures from pagan mythology)
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>they literally worship graven images (icons) of "saints" (many of whom are simply adapted figures from pagan mythology)
t. niggerlover.
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>>9883865
What's wrong with that
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>>9873150
he is opposing ethnocentrism with that you retarded /pol/yp
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>>9884038
nothing, but it's a bit antithetical to Christianity and the Decalogue
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Is Jay Dyer good
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>>9884403
>Is Jay Dyer good
Good intro. But Josiah Trenham is better if you are more mature
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Does Orthodox church support monarchy over democracy
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>>9884403
No. He's an eceleb larper who is tossed to and fro in doctrine.
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>>9884682
The best middle ground would be a theocratic state.
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>>9885199
how so
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>>9880295
nice
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Do Orthodox Christians believe that Catholics and Protestants are not true Christians at all and will not go to heaven? Or do they believe that Catholics and Protestants might have some doctrine and philosophy wrong but if they at least believe in Jesus then they will go to heaven?
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Did the Orthodox church have crusades too? The Catholic crusades were such a cool part of European Christian history, anons.
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>>9885772
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why does he hate platonism
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>>9880753
>>9880753

I don't think it's correct to think that you can "bait" God to make himself appear to you in a consistent way that can be repeated by many people using certain techniques. I also don't think it's correct to think you can look at God directly in our mortal body (after death we will be like Angels, so it's different), so the "uncreated energies" can't be God, but even if those energies were marvels, miracles or gifts of God created by God for us, you can't make him perform miracles for you through meditation (if I sit in this position, look at this point, breath in this way, repeat these words, I will be able to see God or a miracle of God) that is tempting God, something against the 10 commandments. God does as he pleases, he isn't like a fish in a river that if you perform certain techniques will eventually bite your bait and let you see some light.
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>>9884069
Poltards can’t read
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>>9886296
I can.
/pol/ is usually right about most things desu
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>>9884682
yes
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>>9885920
don't know, don't claim to know. Christ preached to the souls who were stuck in hades and saved those that repented.
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>>9885972
The Byzantine Emperor tried to get a Crusade going in the 10th century but the Patriarch was a soiboi.
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>>9869698
Same autist posting this every thread.

Reminder: webm is of a non-orthodox schismatic group not in communion with the Orthodox Church
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>>9886487
What is the group?
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>>9886494
he made it up, thats what christcucks do, they defensively make things up
this is just another orthodox church in romania
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>>9886494
It's an "old believer" group in Russia, I believe. They are not in the Orthodox Church and pretend to be "the real Orthodox," but in reality they do stuff like this which is wrong on so many levels.
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>>9886534
Correction, Romania not Russia
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>>9886540
Old Believers only exist in Russia though. Something tells me you are an Orthodog discord catechumen from the Ozarks who has never been around actual Orthodox in his life and probably never will be.
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>>9886552
There are old believers and old calendarists in many places, what are you talking about? The purely Russian old believers (in Russia proper) could never hold a service like this because they no longer have any clergy. They've lost their ordination rites and apostolic succession and have pretty much become congregationalist.

But other places near Russia still have "old believer" sects that try and maintain an episcopate and clerical rank. These old believers are probably the Romanian/Lipovans who separated from Orthodoxy but maintained some kind of priesthood.
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>>9886252
Wouldn't it make more sense to look at meditation as a vehicle for quelling the internal disquietude and sinful activity that increases the separation between you and God's attributes, rather than as a tool to "bait" God?
i.e. you're not "making" God perform miracles which He wouldn't otherwise perform, but instead accessing attributes and gifts which have always been there by default, but from which you have cut yourself off from through sinful activity, some of which can be curbed through certain practices.
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>>9872966
Phyletism was supposed to mean that Christianity was for everyone, but your nation was for you. I'm not sure why the priest thought (very explicitly) that no form of nationalism is allowed.
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>>9869698
>>9886552
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>>9886494

Okay I had to go back to years ago when I first came across this vid, but I got the source again.

The false relic belongs to the Lipoveni "Old Believers" who are a Russian ethnic group that lives in Romania and are in full schism from the Orthodox Church.

Here is a source video for another day when they wash the foot and use it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC5_VpZk5yY&feature=youtu.be

Here is their website:
https://oldbelieverslipoveni.blogspot.com/

These guys are essential the protestants of Orthodoxy and in rebellion with the Church.
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>>9869698

I'll even make an infograph for any other Orthodox who want to help stop this fairy tale from circulating.
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>>9886798
Thanks
On what authority are they not part of the eastern orthodox tradition though?
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>>9869400

Is there any current attempt by Eastern Orthodox Christians to challenge the long-standing notion that there must be devotions towards icons? Does Neo-Iconoclasm exist with anybody recalling that era of Orthodox history, or at least adhering to the same principles which led to that movement many centuries ago?
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>>9886808
>Is there any current attempt by Eastern Orthodox Christians to challenge the long-standing notion that there must be devotions towards icons
You mean "in the presence of icons",and no.
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>>9886665
>>9886798
Old believers =/= not orthodox
Just because they split off from the Russian church doesn't make them "in full schism" with "the orthodox church"
it makes them at odds with one specific church inside orthodoxy
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>>9886807
All the Eastern Orthodox Churches recognize them as in formal schism from the faith. In addition to that, the Lipoveni old believers do not recognize any of the Eastern Orthodox patriarchs and believe their own tiny sect to be the only true church on the planet.

There are some old believers who have been brought back into the Orthodox Church, the Lipoveni are not one of those groups because they refuse to acknowledge the Orthodox communion and correct Orthodox theology.

The major theological problems with old believers are that they tend to reduce the faith and turn minor things into idolatry. They also tend to be ethnology-phyletists, AKA ecclesiastical racists. (Salvation is only for X racial group).

>>9886818
No Orthodox patriarchs acknowledge them as Orthodox. It's not even close to the OCU situation in the Ukraine or the historical problems in Antioch when the archbishop went Melkite.
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>>9886798
Fun page about a bunch of similar whackadoodle """Orthodox""" cults for anyone interested
>http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/295042/Sekstanstvo%20%28Sectarian%29%20Bodies
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>>9886402
This board loves to hate on /pol/, but any intellectually honest person has to admit that /pol/ is right about almost everything.
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>>9886890
What do Orthodox Christians mean when they talk about union with God? Do you literally become part of God? Like "one with God" in a sense, sort of like Advaita Vedanta?
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>>9886467
What is hades? Is it the same as hell?
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Is God in Christianity the same being as the sky father Dyeus Pater in Proto-Indo-European religion?
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>>9886815
Why not, though? It might be thought natural to have some notable people come and question the practice publicly, once in a while, while still trying to stay within the Orthodox arena of thoughts, rather than become a Western Protestant.
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>>9887211
Not really, and they generally treat that position as nonsense simply because they differentiate between idols and icons. What you're referring to are the former.



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