How competent were the Soviet leaders?
>>9174617Stalin was smart, lenin was a midwit, the rest were idiots
>Gorbachev and Yeltsin douse Russia in lighter fluid and set a match, but somehow they are better than Putin who only tried to clean up their atrocious, neoliberal, mess.
>>9174617Also, how was succession done? Like was it planned that Brezhnev would come after Khruschcev?
>>9174651https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okz2YMW1AwYSuccession is done by interparty elections. Members elect delegates, a congress of delegates elects a central committee, and sho on and sho on. *sniff*
>>9174617I have nested Russian dolls like these, but the Putin one is the biggest one
Andropov seemed smarter than the others after Stalin but too little too late, and he was old and croaked.>>9174651Also more specifically these post-Stalin leaders never had absolute power like Stalin did, and if a leader unexpectedly died, the top-level people would form a "troika" (three horses pulling a cart).
>>9174789Also if you watch La Chinoise, a satirical movie about French student Maoists in 1967, they're putting on these avant-garde performances condemning the Soviets for not being hardline enough towards the Americans, specifically condemning Kosygin (the premier) as opposed to Brezhnev specifically (the General Secretary). "Mr. Kosygin! Help! Help!" So it wasn't the case that when Khrushchev was ousted, Brezhnev just became the new big cheeseburger, although it developed that way over time. https://youtu.be/VggUGM3_oqQ
>>9174635it's clearly in chronological order you complete fucking bafoon.
Stalin was a genius.
>>9174801>All the Marxists throwing a spergout in the commentslmao
>>9174872>A cartoonLeftist "intellectualism"
>>9174617Stalin was unironically a political genius, though not a military or economic genius. But at least he eventually learned to listen to his generals, unlike Hitler. Khrushchev and Brezhnev both sucked. Gorbachev wasn’t as bad as people say. He tried to fix the mess but it was already too late.
>>9174617Can someone edit in big Nicky matroshka before Lenin?
>>9174635Putin is a complete retard, it was clear since at least 2014
>>9174872islam and communism are two most bloodthirsty and destructive ideologies in the history of man.Also, white capitalists and white Christians, mostly enjoy killing each other, and (comparatively) have done EXTREMELY little harm to non-whites or non-capitalists, or non-Christians.
>>9174872I like how communists pretend that the deaths they attribute to capitalism aren't just normal wars, while the deaths attributed to communism aren't about deliberately trying to spread one idealogy and murdering and torturing their own citizens over it.
>>9175850What the fuck is a "normal war"?
>>9175850You don't know what capitalism is
>>9174824Agree exist the complaints about the nuke.There the writer is a mouth breather
>>9175902Wars fought for geopolitical reasons such as resources or failed diplomacy as has been the case since the beginning of the time. The deaths caused by communism are unique to being the highest among non-religious ideologies.
>>9175952I don't think you do either. Also not an argument.
>>9175962Do you think many historians cite Fascism as being the cause of WW2? Or Monarchism as the cause of WW1?
>>9176005I never heard someone say the Nazis killed Jews for their economic policy.
>>9176066So we're no longer talking about wars?
>>9176005... Are you genuinely retarded?
>>9176074How can I learn to argue as well as you?
>>9176072I thought the discussions was about "deaths", not just "wars". Otherwise that Viet Cong example previously given in the thread also makes no sense.
>>9176072We're talking about kill counts, and considering that commie apologists like you immediately default to conflating "capitalist" wars with Communist's slaughtering their own people, it's still relevant.>>9176080You could if you realized that almost every history book mentions Fascism as as a major reason for WW2 being a thing.
>>9176087I can get down with "deaths caused by communism", just had an issue with the distinction in wars
If this Ukrainian kholkhol hadn't been forced out of office by the corrupt elite, the Soviet Union would still exist by today. Probably the most competent leader of the USSR.
>>9176109Based Elite fucking up their own country and the last chance for Communism to be seen seriously as the foundational ideology for a first world nation.
>>9174824>everybody is an uneducated peasant stopped reading
>>9176095Cite literally one single book citing the creation of the Fascist ideology as a major cause of WW2 if "almost every single history book" does so.
>>9174824Stalin would be considered a Nazi by the average communist chapotranny of today.
>>9174635>all ex soviet countries had shitty 90s and when the 2000s happened it became better>every normal country>thanks, lets have the next president now>russia>OMG SAVIOR, PUTIN SAVED US, LETS GIVE HIM UNLIMITED POWER, HOLY SHIT WE WILL COLLAPSE WITHOUT HIM
>>9176158I don't have any on me right now, nor do I feel like buying/pirating one to do so, but every single history class I've taken has had that as a major reason, and the textbooks do too. Also you still have yet to confront the actual argument without derailing the point and moving the Goalposts.
>>9176238Long-winded way to say "I can't name a single one"
>>9176252Obviously desperately way to say "I don't have a single argument pertaining to the point".
>>9176109>One of his grandsons was asked what the ex-premier was doing in retirement, and the boy replied, "Grandfather cries."
>>9176263Your argument is "every history book mentions Fascism as as a major reason for WW2 being a thing."I ask you to provide one example and you flip out, don't make arguments you're unable to prove
>>9176286My argument is>We're talking about kill counts, and considering that commie apologists like you immediately default to conflating "capitalist" wars with Communist's slaughtering their own people, it's still relevant.You have yet to confront it without derailing the argument and moving Goalposts.
>>9176109This. Soviet fanboys who praise Brezhnev are absolute retards and only look at the "patriotic" deeds he did, completely ignoring everything else that was destroying the country.
>>9176200Pretty much the Russian autocratic tradition in a nutshell. Though it can't be said that the Russians never tried with democracy, they just got burned pretty hard whenever it had the prospect of flourishing.
>>9176200various central asian countries have worse democracy than russia
>>9174789Stalin never had absolute power either; you’ve fallen for a meme. He had exactly one vote and often the measures he proposed got rejected which made him seethe