When and why did the left/right political spectrum begin? https://www.politicalcompass.org/testJust tried this shit and got pic related, what does this mean?
>>8964583>When and why did the left/right political spectrum begin?Where the various political groups sat in the National Assembly during the French Revolution. The most radical revolutionaries were on the left side of the hall, the most conservative representatives on the right.It's one framework for understanding political beliefs, sometimes its useful, sometimes its not.
>>8964583french revolution divide between radical and conservative designs and ideas. it came down to which side of the room they sat on.
>>8964594more like most of the timemost people's (outside of brainless ideologues) political stance can't be quantified neatly on a grid.
>>8964602Neh. I think, to be precise, most peoples' views can be sorted into different ideological or political positions pretty easily. That's not the hard part. Rather, the problem is that political positions don't line up on a grid.
>>8964597>>8964594So the French ruined the modern world essentially? >>8964602Yeah every time I do an online test like that I get a different result.
That's not your result, that's their diagram explaining the way results are presented. Scroll further down and your result will look like pic related. It's mine.
>>8964630If you're a throne-and-altar conservative on the lines of Joseph de Maistre, then sure. the French Revolution was probably the most impactful event in modern political history. of course it's up to you how you judge it.
>>8964671Got this, didnt see myself as a lolbertarian
Comes up left-libertarian even though I think of myself as right leaning and I'm thoroughly against the modern left. Now I'm confused
Ideology is a secondary effect of the basic factorization of the psyche in relation to intragroup and intergroup dynamics. The authoritarian axis insists on suppressing individuality in favor of group standards. The right axis insists on affirming selfishness to the detriment of universalism.
>>8964748Here is explanation chart for chart, I like charts.
>>8964743means the faggotry is pushing normal people over the edge
>>8964583>>8964671Hello fellow freedom loving socialist chad, how do you do?
>>8964806think its skewed to always give lib-left thats what I got too. I hate lefties, BLM, antifa and commies so no idea why I got that
>>8964743That's because the "modern left" are merely virtue signalling faggot authoritarian corporatist shills who want you to lick their leather daddy boot.
>>8964824You are probably lif-left, lol. You just hate even leftier "left" or something.
>>8964827"n-no i hate niggers!!! i cant be left wing!!!!!!"
>>8964824That's because BLM and AntiFa aren't very socialist especially in their outward messaging (the BLM platform actually has some ok ideas but it's never the ones they or anyone else highlights) and communists are just bootlickers. Being socialist-libertarian is basically saying yeah I want my local autonomy but I'd like to use it for common sense social reforms that can be done efficiently and custom made for my immediate area and unique needs. Or to put it another way>we don't all have to be best friends and roommates but I respect your right to exist two blocks away and I think we all can agree the real fuck heads are bankers, corporate shills, and their paid attack dogs
>>8964827>>8964827corporations adopt social justice language and diversity for their own ends, not the other way aroundi swear to god you people are dumb
>>8964860No I'm very "left wing" I guess, if you want to call it that. My problem with the modern left wing is that they are just corporate shills for faggotry. I don't care if someone is gay that's their own business but lets not pretend that embracing faggotry makes it like Nike isn't exploiting slave labor at the expense of the Western working class or that voting for a black president makes the Patriot act and indiscriminate drone strikes for oil barons totally cool.
>>8964868I don't disagree. But the establishment left plays into this willingly.
>>8964862> socialist-libertarianWhat. This is basically anarcho-monarchism levels of chimerization.
>>8964909>who is proudhon>what is mutualismMarxists ruined socialism.
>>8964916Isn't socialism assumes collectivism and libertarianism assume individualism? How can you reconcile them? You can't have individual freedom while being governed by the community.
>>8964928unions and co-operatives
>>8964901Establishment liberal centrists play into it, the left doesn't so much. The left isn't going to say that it makes the situation worse or anything, but people on the left are generally clear headed that corporate embrace of social justice is mostly branding and are generally forthright about demanding broader, more systemic change.
>>8964928You can't have personal freedom without protecting yourself from the state or from privately owned armies. You need to have a certain amount of VOLUNTARY collaboration with your community. No man is an island, but neither should he be forced to comply with another's will. If you wish to leave society that's your prerogative no one will stop you. >>8964933This.
This chart is flawed>social freedom in libleft despite no economic freedom>economic freedom in authright despite no social freedomI think the chart should round off so that these adjustments are made. The only absolute quadrants are authleft and libright. Total social and economic control and complete social and economic freedom.
>>8964583>not using the sapplydisappointing
>>8964743if by "left" you mean "progressive" , that's not what it representsif by "left" you mean "communist" , that's the far-lefteither way, you're pretty close to the middle line, so maybe it's because of the particular questions of the quiz. take another test like the sapply to compare
>>8964824communists are far-left, "BLM" is mostly not about leftism, the "left" is about more innate economic equality rather than less
>>8965003Leftists in the West generally regard imperialism and racism as tools of capitalist hegemony and oppression that ought to be opposed, and also are very skeptical of mechanisms of state coercion in political systems that they view as serving capitalist ends of social control. I think most contemporary leftists would broadly sign on to the ideas underlying BLM for those reasons. not all support it, and there's arguments the other way too, of course. just saying that there is a strong leftist case for supporting iton the other hand, I think most of the revulsion that people like those ITT have to so-called "lefties, BLM, antifa and commies" isn't based on any well-founded philosophical disagreements, intellectual objections, or anything like that, and instead it's mostly based on social factors. often, people are reacting to their personal social dislike of the kind of person that they imagine is a leftist / BLM / antifa / commie. they are reacting to those people as a subculture, not as a political ideology. or sometimes they are simply reflexively justifying their own prejudices. so it's not very surprising that - if you actually look at the intellectual level - people could feel quite differently about it.
The people who sat at the right hand of the King were good and the people who sat on the other side were bad. The right got to sit on the right because they were pious and loyal. Left has always been losers.
ITT people that don't understand that left =/= communism realizing they're left leaning
>>8964734The Wholesome Catholic political compass.
>>8964928No, you can be libertarian and socialist. In fact the word libertarian was originally for libsocs exclusively until the Ayn Rand style of libertarianism was born in 50s America. Libertarianism is about freedom and libsocs believe that both corporations and the state prevent such freedom from occurring. Read about concepts like mutual aid and gift economies if this still seems self-contradictory.
>>8965239I am otaku left
>>8964743The test is biased and weighted very poorly. Its literally a meme at this point, so is 8values, 9axes or whatever the datamining scheme is this week. The only way to determine your political views is to read a broad variety of political theory and synthesize your views from there. If you haven't read any theory, you have no authentic political views and shouldn't be let anywhere near the decion-making process.
>>8964953But it does make the situation worse. It's the true opiate of the masses.
>>8964583why the fuck is this board so full of left wing faggots?
If you end up being libleft in this shit test that means you really are a faggot, I'm sorry but that's the truth.
>>8966110The compass quiz is fucked
>>8966259I've suspected this is the case considering I'm far more right wing than the quiz has said
>>8966272I remember the questions on religion being pretty terrible
>>8966322One that really pissed me off was "A one party system has a major advantage of being able to avoid debates with opposition."Yeah, of course thats a fucking advantage. I don't want to say I agree though because I know if I do the test is going to read it as my support for a one party system of governance.
>>8964671>>8964734>>8964735>>8964743>>8964806No wonder why this board is so shit, If you are a libnigger why don't you fuck off to Reddit or something? it's not like you guys can participate in any discussions
>>8966868Liberals are in the center, dumbass. Hell, neoliberals like Hillary Clinton are in the blue.
>>8966868But you came from reddit
>>8966939Do the quiz pretending to be her