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why doesn't communism have the same evil reputation as nazism?
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>>8960504
Communists generally killed their own while fascists go after everyone else
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jews
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Because communism isn't censored while national socialism is. You can literally find marx in every college library in America.
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>>8960504
Because you have to deal with Communist countries existing today. And why do they exist today? Because they aren't diplomatic fuckups like the Fascists were.
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>>8960516
You can find mein Kampf too it's a best seller and not censored. Go back to Tumblr if you want to play victim, incel bitch
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>>8960504
Because they won.
Ask a stupid question.
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>>8960534
>China
>Not a diplomatic fuckup.
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>>8960543
Not in the level of Nazis though. Chinks know full well that the powers of the world would be on them the moment they blitz a neighbor. So instead they rely on passive-aggressiveness to enact most of their hegemonic policies.

A thought that did not occur to Nazis.
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>>8960549
> what is the Tibet
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>>8960504
Communism is inclusive, Nazism is exclusive.
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>>8960504
Because the average person is historically illiterate and 'WW2 tanks cool, nazis bad' is about the level of history that they're aware of.
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>>8960549
>Chinks know full well that the powers of the world would be on them the moment they blitz a neighbor
cope
i bet someone thought the same about Russia before 2014
or 2008
and chinks are immeasurably more powerful and economically important than Russia, no one would dare touch them with anything but seething at the UN
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>>8960514
FPBP
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>>8960504
easy enemy already dead enemy, perfect scapegoat.
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>>8960584
Part of China. China only completed the unification of the country when the PLA liberated the Tibetan people from feudal tyranny.
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>>8960536
Unlike Mein Kampf, Retard Marx is being forced down college student's throats or else they fail. The moment any teacher that teaches the virtues of nazi'ism, you socialist fucks screech and want it out of your sight immediately.

You faggots stand over the bodies of hundreds of millions and swept it under the rug because you don't like looking bad in history, ignoring the names and lives that's been lost because
>lol inconvenient from brainwashing. Totally haven't tried yet you guys.
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How many times does it have to be said, because we didnt have to defeat communism on the battlefield for those countries to go away, they collapsed on their own or became wierd nationalist quasi-capitalist countries
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>>8960504
It does.
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>>8960787
>Completed the Unification of the Country
>Liberated the Tibetan people from Feudal Tyranny

Pick one, you fucking chink shill. Liberation means allowing Tibet to be Independent like Taiwan, not be Part of a conquering power.
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do you really not have the brain capacity to figure out why?
>comrade you either become comrade and do as we say or we shoot you
>you are jewish, into the oven you go
to you, this is the same?

i cant explain it a simpler way, ignore every little asshurt rightoid spineless virgin here though, the avarage mutt have ZERO understanding of ideologies or history
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>>8960728
Russia still has the power to glass half the nations on earth in an hour, China does not and never did have that power, and it is for that reason that Russia gets away with anything.
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>>8960504
Hitler, Stalin and Mao are still often spoken of in the same breath. The benefit of communists is that there is more to their ideology than dictatorship and ethnic hatred, but they are still widely considered ridiculous in the first world
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>>8960819
If China shuts down trade, the western world collapses, while China itself can go into NK-mode for a while.
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>>8960860
>If China shuts down trade, the western world collapses
This year gave a lot of world leaders reason to understand the danger of bring too economically reliant on one country
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Nazism was devoted to human extermination to an irrational degree, even when it was better to spare resources for waging a world war. Communism killed people from inept leadership or standard dictatorial purges, which is terrible, but not cartoon-evil-terrible. That is why communism was seen in a better light when the Soviet Union died, it was not a great evil in itself.
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>>8960504
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>>8960860
China would be the first to collapse you retard, they are infinitely more dependent upon the West than vice and versa, the West would obviously suffer a lot, but China would be the one that would collapse first, you cannot go "NK-mode" with a billion fucking people.
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communism only killed more people than nazism because communist countries controlled 1/5th of the earth's population for decades while nazism controlled a tiny fraction of the earth's population for 12 years
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because on paper marxism. and communism is not about killing people, certainly marxist leninism and trotskyism would have to lead down the line of war and death, but it's social policy is not intended to kill.

In addition the acadamia being filled with leftists, and nazism being the most idolagcally opposed to the liberal order makes it the most threatening.
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>>8960514
Fuck off commie. What's "their own"? They take over other states, force them to be communists, and then kill them. So did Nazis. Instead of killing Ukrainians, they killed jews in their own conquered nations
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>>8960514
>hitler was right that the jews weren't german thus didn't belong
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>>8960806
socialism isn't just the ussr. socialist ideas have inspired people in all western countries. it inspired worker's movements that worked for better working conditions. it inspired welfare programmes. what has nazism inspired in the west?
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>>8960818
>falls for low-tier communist propaganda
>calls others stupid
Big yikes
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>>8960860
Why cause the west wont have a new phone? The west is self-sufficient in terms of essential basic needs
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>>8961050
No one is forced to be a communist. This is a voluntary decision of the working class.
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The real question is why Nazis still exist when they literally lost the war and one of the defining features of Nazism was its insistence on a Social Darwinistic race war, which it lost.

Nazism is an ideology by and for losers.
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>>8960897
>cartoon-evil-terrible
Cartoons were mostly American-made propaganda to make Nazis look bad
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Communists accidentally killed people through poor planning and the shutting down of revolts.

Nazis intentionally killed people to take their land and possessions.
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>>8961134
Tell that to Czechoslovakia dumbfuck
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>>8960504
communism is a bigger bogeyman than neetsocs desu
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>>8961050
>instead of killing Ukrainians

They killed slavs too you stupid /pol/nigger. Go screech about trannies in your hugbox.
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>>8961145
>accidentally
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>>8961136
Yeah. Nazis were even worse, cartoons were made before holocaust was known about. Imagine if Donald Duck visited Auschwitz, now that would be grimdark.
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>>8961150
Try harder commie
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>be in First Grade !
>Kid A threatens to beat you with a stick if you don't give your fries up to the poor/starving kid on the corner
>Kid B beats the poor/starving kid and funny nose kid with a stick for being "inferior"
>HURR DURR THEY'RE BOTH DA SAME!!!
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The honest answer is that it's because the Nazis lost the war, and the Soviets were allies against the Nazis.

It really is that simple.
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>>8960504
They didn't let Jews have any power in their society
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>>8961186
Kid A then proceeds to eat all the fries himself
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>>8961186
You should honestly kill yourself
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>>8961202
Soviets also lost the war and the Western world went through decades of anti-soviet propaganda, but you're right it's simple but that's because sbpb
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>>8961257
spbp*
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>>8961088
Name on successful implementation of utopian / Christian socialism.
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>>8961301
as for socialism there's public healthcare, shorter work days, better wages etc. ideas don't have to be implemented wholesale for something to qualify as something drawn from a tradition. i don't know why you're asking about christian socialism though.
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>>8961311
There are center-right parties who implemented all that in Europe as well but in a constitutional parliamentary democracy.

Such things you mention are also pushed by unions which reside with the democracts in USA, not a left party - not a socialist legacy either.

Center-right Christian democrats implement social measures and even more.
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>>8961335
well ok? you make it sound like a rebuttal
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>>8961226
But that's an issue with the kid. Not his original ideology
>>8961253
>no argument
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>>8961301
well you see 17 year old goth girls with piercing does not understand politics in depth and neverwill
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>>8961340
I had open the thread from 4chan search feature lmao, did not follow the reply chains.
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>>8961423
np
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>>8961407
>it wasn't real communism
Every time
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>>8961437
>The ideology involves sharing
>The leader doesn't share
>Somehow the leader is following the ideology.
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>>8960806
>Retard Marx is being forced down college student's throats or else they fail
lol
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>>8961134
HAH

Imagine being so dumb or such a raging commie you actually believe this
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>>8960504
because it isn't polite to talk bad about your family
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Because communism is based and nazism is cringe
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Because communism targets people for being wealthy exploiters whereas naziism targets people for having the wrong genes.

You can stop being wealthy but you can't stop being Jewish.

>inb4 some retard unironically claims that being rich is somehow comparable to being a certain ethnic group

If your wealth is such a big part of your identity that you feel like you would die without it then your life isn't worth living anyway.

I'm being serious - you have to be an absolute husk of a human being to think that having money is your defining feature in the same way being Jewish is a defining feature.
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because america has been demoralized
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>>8960504
Didn't kill as many people.

>inb4 muh famines

a)Black Book numbers are pure fabrication, b) there is no evidence to suggest that famines in China, USSR, DPRK were deliberately engineered, and c) cyclical famines are fairly common in poorly developed countries due to to limited mechanization and irrigation; communist governments modernized agriculture and ended these cycles everywhere except DPRK, where environmental crop failures and international sanctions/embargoes were the culprit.

Communists have only started a few small inter-state wars, usually between communist states, so we're left with a death toll from purges and minor military aggression lower than the number of Jews alone killed in the Holocaust, or the number of Africans killed in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
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>>8962771
> It's Holodomor denial episode!
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>>8960514
Communists invaded other countries too
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its the opposite. the left has no presence anymore beyond liberal politics while the far right has much more radical presence

the tide is in your favor in the long run. towards a bad future with pseudo tradition (not real tradition) and social darwinist liberal ideology.
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I swear all these ''why are communism and naziism different'' threads are made by the same underaged kid
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>>8960504
It obviously does for quite a few, choosing to hate communism or fascism more is kind of a signifier for the center-left and center-right factions in liberal republic today. Nice job repeating the same dumb thread without adding anything new for the thousandth time, though. You should try out twitter, it's great for people like you who love to make the same posts over and over again.
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>>8960860
Why would China do that when they just made concessions to the US?
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>>8962791
> the tide is in your favor in the long run.
Maybe in China, but the USA will be going leftier with time.
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>>8962759
Does it really matter how they discriminate when they both commit mass genocide?
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>>8962813

lolno. its all neoliberalism from this point on
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>>8962832

Point me to where Marx said ''killing people is a central part of communism''
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>>8962845
Isn’t US youth left wing?
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>>8962848
It's a direct quote from the french Communist Manifesto.
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>>8962865

Go fetch that quote then
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>>8962781
Yes.
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> "Tuer des gens est un élément central du communisme''
Karl Marx, manifeste communiste français, 1845.
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>>8962848
Marx did advocate for violence and killing in order to end things like private property
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Threads like these actually make me wish someone would break into your house and steal your wealth because someone this stupid doesn't deserve it
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>>8962911

see >>8962895

Also if the communists come up to you and go ''give us your wealth or we will kill you'' you are perfectly capable of just giving them your wealth and remaining alive. Jews in Nazi Germany couldn't just stop being Jewish.
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Because they didn’t lose the war like the genetically inferior did
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>>8962923
Not absolutely everyone will so killing is central to communism
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>>8962953

>''No I would rather die than give up my wealth''
>Gets killed by communists
>Communists take wealth anyway

this just seems like natural selection to me
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>>8962964
Thanks for agreeing. Fascists and communists have both committed mass genocide because killing is central to their ideologies.
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>>8960806
>Retard Marx is being forced down college student's throats or else they fail.
>this is what americans REALLY believe
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>>8962988

Except in this scenario the communists offered wealthy people a way out but the wealthy people refused because they for some reason decided it's better to be dead than not-be-wealthy. The communists are getting that wealth either way so to basically ask to be killed makes zero sense.

It doesn't change the fact that killing isn't central to communism. It just shows some wealthy people are actual retards.

Jews didn't get that option in Nazi Germany
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>>8963006
It’s not just (very) wealthy people who are killed. It’s anyone who don’t want to give up private property which will always be many. It could be landlords who subsist on rent as income. It could be religious people that would defend and die for their faith. It could be people being punished for previous violence (owning property). Killing is absolutely central to communism. That’s why it kept happening. There’s no point in denying it.
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>>8963043

If it's so central then go fetch me the part where Marx said it was
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>>8960504
Because your mom is a whore
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>>8960860
>China itself can go into NK-mode for a while
That's actually totally wrong.
China cannot feed it's population for more than about 3 weeks before running out of food. They are completely and utterly reliant on food shipments from the US and Europe. Ironically, the US is the country in the world that could best survive a period of prolonged isolation because they produce 25% of the world's food and have stockpiles of oil amounting to more than 50% of the world's total reserves.
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>>8963072
If Marx didn’t advocate it explicitly than he was being disingenuous. Capitalism and the ruling class are violent ergo the revolution must use material force against material force. This always happened.
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>>8963206
So? China would just have a famine until their food production capacity and infrastructure meets demand. Maybe they could survive NK style.
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>>8960504
The masterminds behind communism control the West.
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>>8963222
>Food productuin capacity
Is already maxed out for China due to their limited arable land. Why do you think China has done so much work putting up dams and rerouting rivers? They have been trying to increase their arable land since the 50's because they simply cannot feed their massive fucking population. This problem is compounded by the fact that most of China's population also lives in the same space, so areas that would be prime farmland are taken up by factories and sprawling slums.

Any scenario where China goes full isolationist they will end up with hundreds of millions of starving people, which is a really good way to get a revolution on your hands, something that has always been a huge problem in China.
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>>8963247
I just said a famine would help meet demand. I implied people would have to die. This isn’t exactly a new phenomenon in communist countries.
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>>8960504
Because nazism was, at least during it's era, in favor of mono ethnicity. Capital hates monoethnicity, because it need mass immigration.
By the way, tracells think they are woke because they are have discovered Hitlerism recently. But as they didn't know what was Hitlerism when they were into the mainstream narrative, they currently don't understand what communism is.
in short, they rejected the mainstream narrative regarding what Hitlerism is, but kept the mainstream narrative, regarding what communism is (MacCartyism).
N.B: BLM and other transgenderism is still the mainstream narrative of communism, just an other mainstream version of it.
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>>8964388
> Because nazism was, at least during it's era, in favor of mono ethnicity.
That looks like a /pol/ution tier explanation because literal communism surely opposes capitalism beyond just its opinion on immigration.
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>>8962993
Most americans have attention disorder. Even if they would, they couldn't read Marx. So their opinion of him have to come from somewhere. Mainly youtube videos, Now it's Bitchute.
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>>8964406
I can't blame them. Marx is basically unreadable, even in USSR nobody bothered.
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>>8960515
This
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>>8964402
Kek. Good post.
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>>8964416
it's a serious issue that doesn't get enough good-faith discussion
his writing style is actually just extremely boring and unnecessarily confusing in a lot of places. I read Smith with no problem but Marx made me want to claw my eyes out early and often
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>>8964480
You need extra motivation to read him. It' him which will explain what happen in the 2030-2035 economical and financial crisis. Everything will collapse, and nobody will understand shit. The elite who do (understood), will just shut up and cover up, as usual. Marx is the key to understand.
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>>8964402
Both Communism and National Socialism are bad for the Capitalist system, but for different reasons. They really differ mostly in how they define "the capitalist system." National Socialists tend to view Capitalism as a racial thing (Meaning usually the Jews) while Communists tend to view Capitalism as purely a class issue and not a racial one.

Victory for either ideology is a loss for the capital class. The thing is, in the modern era, both ideologies have been effectively subverted and destroyed from within. Modern National Socialists are pathetic outcasts who blame their problems on Jews and racial minorities and are unable to recognize that their true enemy is the Capitalist system itself. On the other hand modern communists and far leftists have been co-opted by the Capitalist system into only fighting for revolution that is beneficial to the System (for example, fighting for mass migrations, LGBTQ rights, etc), which all things that are GOOD for the system, while making them feel companies are on their side (one need look no further than modern corporate virtue signaling to see such).

At the moment National Socialism is probably slightly less dead in the water less because of it's own tenets and more because the internet has utterly exposed Communism/leftism as pawns of the system and the disenfranchised (a number that continues to skyrocket as we get further into the Capitalist end-world) naturally turn to National Socialism as the only viable alternative.

But really though neither ideology in it's current form opposes the root causes of Capitalism any more, decades of CIA manipulation and propaganda have subverted those ideologies.
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>>8964573
>On the other hand modern communists and far leftists have been co-opted by the Capitalist system into only fighting for revolution that is beneficial to the System (for example, fighting for mass migrations, LGBTQ rights, etc), which all things that are GOOD for the system, while making them feel companies are on their side (one need look no further than modern corporate virtue signaling to see such).
"So, in a nutshell, the System's neatest trick is this:
- For the sake of its own efficiency and security, the System needs to bring about deep and radical social changes to match the changed conditions resulting from technological progress.
- The frustration of life under the circumstances imposed by the System leads to rebellious impulses.
- Rebellious impulses are co-opted by the System in the service of the social changes it requires; activists "rebel" against the old and outmoded values that are no longer of use to the System and in favor of the new values that the System needs us to accept.
- In this way rebellious impulses, which otherwise might have been dangerous to the System, are given an outlet that is not only harmless to the System, but useful to it.
- Much of the public resentment resulting from the imposition of social changes is drawn away from the System and its institutions and is directed instead at the radicals who spearhead the social changes."
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>>8960504
did you mean to make a thread about china? cause you made a thread about china.
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Because mental gymnastics.
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>>8964603
Why yes, i've read "Industrial Society" how could you tell?
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>>8964573
So why aren’t communists seen as evil as the Nazis?
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>>8964547
There was a good book a la Capital Abridged, which retolds Marx, but I forgot title an author.
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>>8964616
Because Natsoc are radically against mass immigration. At least in the purity of idea of what Natsoc was, or should be. In my opinion, if Natsoc, somehow, had won the war, Germany would have seen immigration from east europa first, then Turkey, then perhaps even from further.
In any case, communism is not seen evil by Capitalism, because almost nobody really knows exactly what it is, what Marx meant with communism. Thus, even if theoretically, communism is the thing that would annihilate Capitalism, since nobody have a clue what it is, it is not dangerous for the Capital, and small channels of authentic Marxists are even not censored on youtube even if they openly advocate for the abolition of the State, exchange value, money, power, and criticize mass immigration. Also, there is an other reason they are not censored, when someone has read Marx and Hegel in their entirety, he begin to speak and write in such fashion that even the deep State lackeys don't get what he means (i'm not there yet). So they stay uncensored, because Deep State just don't get what they mean. I'm sure you've seen some of those posts on 4chan.
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Culturally, the nazis were right-wing compared to leftists, and leftwing when compared to conservatives. Same thing in regards to economics.

Genocide and war asides, maybe the answer is the internal contradictions in Germany would have led to class struggle unless they required resources and land, leading to an inherently warmongering state?
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>>8960538
>Because they won.
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>>8964616
Because the system was able to co-opt Communism to it's own end. At one point in time, when the Soviet Union and PRC were actual tangible threats to the Capitalist system, every Western child was indoctrinated with a hatred against Communism as well as National Socialism. But over time Communism as an international and domestic movement was subverted and brought under control of the Capital system. So Communism is liked a leashed dog for the Capital class, a tool that can be used to curb the more rebellious human tendencies like >>8964603 pointed out.

National Socialism was simply made simultaneously ridiculous (neo-nazi's, etc), and propagandized against in a way that Communism isn't anymore. Another factor is "muh holocaust" screeching by Jews, but that's like a vocal minority thing.

As I pointed out, the internet was kind of a wild card and had the unintended consequence of exposing modern leftism/communism as a joke, so most modern rebels tend to gravitate toward National Socialism since it's at least still revolutionary. A lot of people on /pol/ and the internet who identify with National Socialism are more motivated by fear and hatred of the system than by pure racism like old school neo-nazi's.
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>>8964721
>unintended consequence of exposing modern leftism/communism as a joke, so most modern rebels tend to gravitate toward National Socialism

I think maybe you are falling under confirmation bias. Leftism is more popular now than ever but national socialists are still outcasts.

Here is a litmus test, if you think MSNBC is leftist, you've been lied to.
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>>8960504
They lost and jews
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>>8963207

>Ah yes random philosopher with an ideology was being disingenuous when he wrote his manifesto to tell about his ideology for all time.

Are you retarded? If he lied about what he believed no one would know, what reason would he have to spread faith in an ideology he didn't personally want?
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>>8964739
I think you missed the point i'm trying to communicate.

Modern leftists/Communists are NOT actually revolutionary or rebellious, but average people who want to feel rebellious in a safe way. Communism and far Leftist thought in general have been turned into a brand by the Capitalist system. A way to sell products and a lifestyle. "Want to be a rebel? Buy our che guevera shirt and right about intersectional feminism at Starbucks(tm)," Very few actual Communists/leftists in the traditional sense exist any more in the west.

National Socialists may be outcasts, but that also makes them actual rebels and revolutionaries, because they choose to defy the System. Now, that isn't to say that NatSoc's haven't been subverted by the System (Neo-Nazi's and most modern National Socialist groups are more concerned with race than with the system itself).

And National Socialism HAS exploded in popularity since the internet became widely spread. It's more fringe than "Communism/leftism," but it has been growing exponentially in comparison to how small and isolated it was even a decade ago.
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>>8964781

The moderate left is a growing contingent in american politics. And they are getting more and more seats in government as they replace neoliberals.
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>>8964839
>The moderate left is a growing contingent in american politics
The "moderate left" is an illusion created by the movement of both the political left and right towards the left. The center as you see it is moving along with the two extremes. What you identify as the moderate left reflects contemporary political morality, i.e. normies.
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>>8964781
>Modern leftists/Communists are NOT actually revolutionary or rebellious, but average people who want to feel rebellious in a safe way. Communism and far Leftist thought in general have been turned into a brand by the Capitalist system. A way to sell products and a lifestyle. "Want to be a rebel? Buy our che guevera shirt and right about intersectional feminism at Starbucks(tm)," Very few actual Communists/leftists in the traditional sense exist any more in the west.
Globally agree, but you forget to mention the existence of quiet Marx readers who aren't on social media or TV and don't believe in the multiculturalist propaganda. The fact that you don't see them or hear them doesn't mean they don't exist.
>National Socialists may be outcasts, but that also makes them actual rebels and revolutionaries, because they choose to defy the System. Now, that isn't to say that NatSoc's haven't been subverted by the System (Neo-Nazi's and most modern National Socialist groups are more concerned with race than with the system itself).
National socialism is state Capitalism. It cannot solve the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
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>>8964773
>Marx: 2 + x = 6
>every communist state, ever: x=4
>every person witnessing every communist state, ever: x=4
>every tankie, ever: x=4
>people in this thread: x=4
>you: actually, show me where Marx said 4. You can't do it. The answer isn't 4 because he never said it.
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>>8960504
Communism is a global, stateless, classless society. Nazism is when you have an autocratic corporatist state where non-German minorities are subjugated, enslaved, or killed en massé. The former is obviously less malicious by definition

If you actually meant “why doesn’t Marxism-Leninism-Maoism have a bad repudiation then you’re really disconnected from reality. The Cold War lasted for decades and anti-Soviet/anti-Chinese propaganda became commonplace.

In the modern day there is a vast network of internet intellectuals who have combined many young men that there is a Marxist conspiracy to destroy the west and that communism is the greatest threat they face.
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>>8964781
> they choose to defy the System
By promoting current president of united states lol.
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>>8960504
Because the media is in the hands of the perpetrators of Bolshevism.
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>>8964773
> They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
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>>8964991
Is less malicious by definition if you leave out the bloody revolution and genocide from the communist definition, yes
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>>8965088
> bloody revolution and genocide
Instead of world war and genocide?
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>>8965090
The world war was started because France and the UK declared war on Germany only after invading Poland. They could have declared war on the USSR for invading Finland and Poland but they didn’t.
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>>8960504
Because Communism was less of a failure and caused less destruction and killed less people.
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>>8961152
Hold on, so you think Mao deliberately tried to kill his own people with the Great Leap Forward?
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>>8960787
CHINK SHILL IN THREAD CHINK SHILL DETECTED

WINNIE THE POOH 1989 TIANANMEN SQUARE PROTESTS DEATH TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY MAO ATE STALIN’S UNWASHED ASSHOLE
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>>8965104
Communism killed way more people than fascism though, like, tens of multiples more over a much longer time and many more genocides

Various communist regimes have genocided everything from minority ethnic groups to private farmers to intellectuals over 50-60 years
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>>8960504
>going far out of your way to kill millions of civilians for being born wrong and starting Giga Ultra Trails of Tears: Russia Edition is the purpose of your entire system

gee I wonder why it could be
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Because communism was merely comically incompetent, rather than deliberately evil.
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>>8965202
Why is nazism evil and communism not?
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>>8964994
I never said Neo-Nazi's were smart, or that the current president is popular.

Most National Socialists who actually understand the meaning of those words think Trump is useful idiot at best and a complete retard at worst.
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>>8965230
Because nazism has genocide as a main policy. You cannot have nazism without genocide. nazism will go out of its way to get a lot of people killed or forced off their homes.

communism is just shit by happenstance. Its end goal is at least altruistic instead of shamelessly darwinistic like nazism. It is conceivable that there could be non violent communism. It is not conceivable that there could be non violent nazism.
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>>8965230
I did not say that it wasn't "evil". Rather, think of it as the difference between murder in the first degree and two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
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>>8965288
Why is genocide evil?
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>>8965107
The only country that recognized Tibet's independence was Mongolia when they both declared independence from the collapsing Qing China in 1911-12. For the rest of the world- especially the Western world which did not want to destabilize a nascent, west-friendly Chinese Republic- the Tibetans were just another warlord breakaway from China. The closest the West came in recognizing Tibet was the Simla Convention in 1914, when the Brits invited China and Tibet over to discuss actual borders of Tibet so that the Brits could ascertain where Russia should not be interfering in due to their Great Game antics.

Of course, Tibetan independence only really became a Western preoccupation when China became communist. Had Tibet been subjugated by the KMT-ROC, SJWs won't care about it.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_(1912%E2%80%931951)
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>>8960504
Commies were allies to the west and thus it was beneficial to portray them as ostensibly good at least individually, essentially good but misguided. Nazis and fascists were our enemies through and through so not only were their governments and ideas bad but the individuals who followed the orders of their leaders were bad.
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>>8965297
Why is murder more evil than manslaughter? Why is it evil? Killing isn’t murder if it’s legal (which the genocides were).
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Nazis lost the war

Also Hitler openly pleaded for genocides
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>>8965417
It's an analogy, bruh.
In any case, if you're trying to say that murder an involuntary manslaughter are about even, well that's some radical relativism on your part man.
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>>8965461
The analogy doesn’t make sense since the genocides weren’t murder. You have to explain why it’s evil.
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>>8965097
> Germany invades Poland
Looks like it started the war after all.
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>>8962923
>Commies purged intellectuals
>"stop being smart or die"
>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

kys commie
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>>8965480
And why didn’t the UK and France guarantee Finland? Why didn’t they declare war on the Soviet Union as well? Seems arbitrary.
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>>8965088
Marx, Engels, and Lenin all believed that a violent revolution was necessary but communist thought has been revised in various ways since 1917. For example the Communist Party in Kerala which, to my knowledge, came into power without any violence.

Besides, this is a dumb take because capitalism also by definition necessitates violence. You cannot have private property without an armed state to create and maintain it. This is why communists want to abolish states
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>>8965489

And? Suck a dick.
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>>8965476
Imagine if I were to say "comparing guitar's to bass's is like comparing apples and oranges" and your contention was that guitar's and bass's contain no fructose.
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>>8965491
>Communist Party in Kerala
Didn’t realise the communist system because it was impossible in a liberal democracy
> Besides, this is a dumb take because capitalism also by definition necessitates violence.
Why are you deflecting to capitalism when we were comparing national socialism and communism?
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>>8965489
> Why didn’t they declare war on the Soviet Union as well?
You can't declare war on League of Nation members. That is why Soviet Union was expelled instead so they could declare war next time. It was as harsh as they could be.
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>>8965503
So starting global wars isn’t inherent to Nazism?

>>8965505
Why can’t you explain why the genocide is evil? That’s all I want to know.
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>>8965531
It's sort of, you know, axiomatic. I mean, can you explain why murder is evil? It's illegal, but that ain't the same thing, innit?
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>>8960504
nazism was about exterminating races and viewing the majority of the world population as subhumans or genetically inferior because of their race. nazism could only be applicable and sympathetic to a small core of people, which would either be considered to be part of the "master race" or close to it.

communism, while a horrible ideology that caused mass death, was not about the genocide of any particular race. people were being killed and slaughtered, but not because of their genetics and lineage. plus, it delivers a universal message against "oppressive" hierarchies which can garner sympathy to every faggot across the world, russian, english, chinese, african, etc.

in short, communism is open to all races and doesn't advocate their genocide. nazism supports only a small racial group and advocates for the genocide and/or degredation of everybody else.
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>>8965531
> Why can’t you explain why the genocide is evil?
Holocaust is the genocide of jews all around the world even beyond the jurisdiction of Germany. It would be wrong even on the legal ground even if it was a benign action. Imagine if I deleted files from your computer because I hate .mp3 format.
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Because my friend, the truth must not be embraced and it must be scrutinised to the max.
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>>8965489
because the westerners were at war with nazi germany, due to their invasion of poland and the atrocities the germans committed against the jews and slavs living within. the westerners did frequently consider war against the soviet union, but because they were focused on germany, it was simply impractical.
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Believe me or not. You can get away with murder if you target random people, you are basically a force of nature at this point. Hitler did the opposite so he was a criminal. It's as simple as that.
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>>8965576
The Holocaust wasn't just about the genocide of the Jews, this is a common misconception which is due in part to the victim mentality of the Jews and their constant overrepresentation.

The Holocaust was primarily about the genocide of both the Jews and the Slavs. The Nazis viewed the Slavs as subhumans and wished to genocide some of them, and to degredate others into a servile slave-like class.
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>>8965546
Stooge. Can you even explain why you think killing innocents is evil? Why is it immoral?
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>>8965576
Why is it wrong?
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>>8965581
>the atrocities the germans committed against the jews and slavs living within
I thought westerners found out about that long after declaring war. So, the war wasn’t about that at all.
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>>8965595
You know what "axiomatic" means, yeah?
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>>8965592
*slav like class
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>>8965610
Are you just using circular reasoning now? I’m asking you why you think the genocides were immoral. Pretend the reason is not evident to me.
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>>8965599
Because Hitler holds no authority beyond borders of Germany.
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>>8965599
How would you like it if you were tortured, before being killed, for your ethnicity - a fact which you cannot change, which you did not choose. Now imagine if these same people, prior to killing you, repeatedly degraded you, telling you that you are a subhuman, that you are an animal, and that you deserve to die.

That is why racial genocide is seen as evil. Empathy.
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>>8965617
Genocide served no moral purpose, all moraly purposeless actions are immoral.
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>>8965618
Wasn’t he doing the systematic extermination of Jews within German borders and occupied land? It would be under German jurisdiction.
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>>8965625
>all moraly purposeless actions are immoral.
Why? I don’t understand.
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>>8965628
It was under land which Germany invaded from other countries, often with the purpose of exterminating and colonizing. They also pressured countries such as Finland and Italy to genocide the Jews, but neither had the same interest or views as the Nazis.
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>>8965621
So all of this would be okay against people from a certain religion?
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>>8965617
>circular reasoning
So it seems I will have to define the word for you then. From Mirriam-Webster:
Take for granted, self-evident. Example:an axiomatic truth.
That is to say, I've openly admitted two posts ago that I cannot "prove" that genocide is immoral, and I've been waiting patiently for you to show off where exactly you're going with this.
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>>8965642
And? It was still legal in the newly conquered land. You’re saying it’s immoral because it was against the law.
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>>8965649
So you have no morals?
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>>8965646
No, but racial genocide is objectively more evil than religious genocide. You can change your religion. No matter how hard you try, you can never change your ethnicity.
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>>8965660
Is that it? Is that all you were building up to?
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>>8965677
What are your morals? You’re just saying that the holocaust is wrong because it is wrong.
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>>8963043
>subsist
>on rent
If you are making passive income off investments you are definitionally not subsisting; you are a social parasite extorting actual workers with the threat of homelessness. That this violence should be stopped with violence if necessary should not be a debate.
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>>8965704
>You’re just saying that the holocaust is wrong because it is wrong
No, I am not. I am saying the holocaust is wrong because genocide is wrong.
Now genocide, that one I *am* saying is wrong because it is wrong.
et vous, what are your moral?
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>>8965730
>I am saying the holocaust is wrong
The holocaust is not.
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>>8965730
My morals come from Catholic Church teachings. It involves moral facts.
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>>8965785
ur wrong
>>8965790
what are "moral facts"?
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>>8965803
Moral claims that are true.
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>>8965855
Can you prove it
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>>8965714
So communism involves killing like Nazism. It’s inherently violent.
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better marketing
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>>8965857
They are determined by God
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>>8965969
According to who or what
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>>8960806
>Unlike Mein Kampf, Retard Marx is being forced down college student's throats or else they fail.
Insane conspiracy, most people won't even encounter Marx outside of a brief mention in a polisci textbook freshman year.
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>>8965859
Wars had to be waged to destroy feudalism and create private property. People died, many starved, but change came. Likewise catastrophic events had to transpire to establish feudalism. As long as there are contradictions in the prevailing political institutions, this will be the case.
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>>8966049
The ends don’t justify the evil means
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>>8965988
According to God. We know this because of the Bible and Church tradition.
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>>8966064
Well how do we know that constitutes "knowing"? Surely the tengriist know in the same fashion, no?
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>>8965803
You cannot gaz million of people into concentration camps. Ventilation system for the gas to go outside the building in order to evacutate the corpse would kill the whole camp. Or perhaps it could be worked if you had gigantic chimneys. But there wasn't any of those. You've been lied to.
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>>8966088
The topic was whether or not it happened, but whether or not it was wrong if it occurred.
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(...) In death row prisons in america, where gas chamber are used, the ventilation system cause many problem, and the prison has to stop it's usual functioning. Now imaging gazing millions of people, in a concentration camp. Won't work without gazing the camp personnel and other prisoners.
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>>8966059
Marxist thought doesn't advocate violence, it looks at prior changes in socioeconomic structure and and extrapolates from them. One could say that the French revolution was disastrous, but it was inevitable given the economic conditions
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>>8966114
To be fair, and as a Marxist, yes it does. But not violence of a political sole party like the bosheviks, or a psychopath like Staline. Dictatorship of the proletariat. This is dictatoship of the workers, through direct democracy.
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Stalin was content to stay home and murder Russians. Hitler went out and murdered people in other countries.
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>>8960504
>why doesn't communism have the same evil reputation as nazism?
The concept is still useful to the ones that display it to the masses.
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mass murder is a feature of communism whereas mass murder is the goal of nazism

they just decided that communism is the lesser evil because it "sounds good on paper" so it's not as fair to criticize it
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>>8966132
Violence isnt inherent to Marxism, Marx assumed that a coming communist revolution would be violent based on past revolutions. All Marxism acknowledges is that the contradictions inherent to capitalism will inevitably be resolved.
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Communism is retarded, but it's not comic book-tier evil in nature
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>>8966233
The OP might be referring to Marxism-Leninism
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>>8966248
Of course not. Comic books are Jewish.
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>>8966305
Fair point.
>>8966248
Nazism wasn't a comic book-tier evil for evil's sake. The functions of the Nazi state were mundane, even the death camps were just regular factories which produced death rather than say, tires or steel.
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Communism by definition has no state head. Show me a "Communist" country with no head of state.
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They WERE considered as evil as Nazis in the cold war...but I suppose that, after the collapse of the USSR, and some perceived general rise of the left worldwide, well, communism was kinda forgotten and Nazism was in the middle of the storm.

But then again, i think this is shifting again, or at least here in the Internet. Hate towards communism Is higher than ever and right-wing speech Is gaining considerable strength
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>>8961110
have sex incel, preferably not with a tranny but who cares
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>>8960504
Transphobia
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but they did
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>>8961134
So the non-working class can choose otherwise? Who is the working class these days anyway, with outsourcing and technology quickly replacing factory jobs? What makes them capable of overseeing the means of production? Do you realize how stupid/inept/prone to corruption the average person is? Or are you referring to State Communism where the workers and everyone else is basically fucked?
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>>8962782
Which ones?
Poland? Poland started it with the polish-soviet war.
Finland? I mean fair, but Stalin was proved 100% right about Leningrad.
Vietnam and Korea were civil wars, as was Laos.
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>>8967452
>Stalin was proved 100% right about Leningrad.
Only after he antagonized the Finns in the first place. Self-fulfilling and all that.
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>>8961437
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>"NK is democratic, it is in the name!"
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>>8967460
To a certain extent, sure. But given that the Finnish line of apologism for their cooperation with the SS and the continuation war was German pressure they had to how to, it doesn't seem like they wouldn't at least have been amenable to it otherwise.

They were unlikely to have participated so enthusiastically in a Russian invasion were it not for the winter war though.
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>>8960514
>>8960515

Communists fucked up and killed people accidentally because they are idiots.

The Nazis tho, the whole Nazi ideology is based on massacring entire populations in the most brutal way possible, And braging about it online.
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>>8960515


Basically

>Communist
Drunk bus driver bafoon that slammed the entire bus full of people into a stop light at full throttle

>Nazi
Mentally ill psychopath that roams around the low lit back alleys and shady parks, disemboweling and raping women, old people and children at night
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>>8960504
>Communism
a stateless, classless society where human exploitation, oppression, and misery have been abolished and all men and women are each others brothers and sisters.
>Nazism
lol when you kill nigs and kikes
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>>8960504
because it shouldn't
/thread
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>>8960514
Not really, look at the massacres over poles, chechens, tatars, croats, germans etc
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Nazism was like Ted Bundy - cool, handsome, edgy, badass, charismatic, mentally healthy, but murderous and evil. Subconsciously most Westerners see Nazi Germany as the dark side of their own mentality.

Communism was more like Elliot Rodger - pathetic, mentally ill, self-destructive, laughable and more self-destructive than murderous. It's hard for Western people to identify with it.
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because joe everymans idea of communism is that the rich pay more taxes and they get free shit

their idea of naziism is that they genocided the jews
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>>8969666
>all ethnic nationalists and fascists
>except Poles, allegedly
>which the west won't stop sucking off and wringing their hands over Communist "betrayal"
You'd think they'd make the connection, but eh...
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>>8961135
Alright kike
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>>8961135
Many old ideologies still exist today from paganism to communism. Nazism isn't uniquely persistent because it lost. To be clear there's a clear distinction between the skinhead tattooed retards and the actual national socialists who actually believe in the ideology. The former were actually known as lesser men.



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