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How come the Toyotomi and Tokugawa Shogunates in Japan chimped out against Christianity in China while Ming and Qing China were cool with it?

This is especially the case when the Japanese explained their resistance against Christianity in Confucian terms. While in China the Jesuits successfully convinced the Chinese you can be a good Christian and not disobey Confucian morality at all?

>inb4 Chinese rites controversy.
Even then the Qings still let Jesuits in the country and allowed missionaries to operate again under Qianling.
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>>6427886
Christianity in Japan*
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Its almost like they were 2 different cultures with very different way to treat outside influences
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>>6427886
Probably too many missionary chimpouts. Catholics in particular do that all the time, eventually the Chinese got sick of their bullshit too.
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>>6427886
China was massive and home to people following a variety of faiths already. Why would Christianity be alarming when nothing else, including Islam, was cause for concern?

Although it wasn't the Qing Dynasty, the Boxers were clearly against Christians and set about killing missionaries while the Qing were in power.
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>>6427886
Japan was very much afraid of foreign influence and chaos. Qing China generally was a bit more confident if you will but also forbade it being preached
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>>6427886
>Even then the Qings still let Jesuits in the country and allowed missionaries to operate again under Qianling.

The Qing Jiaqing Emperor and Qing Daoguang Emperor passed laws banning conversion to Christianity and sentenced European Christian missionaries to death. Manchus who converted to Christianity would be punished by being expelled from the Eight Banners and sold into slavery. This was after the Qing discovered a Christian tract containing a story where a Manchu prince was burning in hell because of his wife's actions or something.
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>>6427886
P*pists fear the samurai
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>>6427886
Japan was isolationist and very conservative in the Edo era. You'd be brave to try change their ways
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>>6427886
The Chinese Ming dynasty had one Emperor who was alleged to have converted to Islam and one Emperor who was alleged to have converted to Catholic Christianity.

The Ming Zhengde Emperor was 16 years old when his Muslim guard Yu Yong and eunuchs supplied him with a harem of foreign Central Asian Muslim women from different Central Asian ethnicities. His guards helped train him in sexual techniques and he had sex orgies with the women but he failed to get any of them pregnant so he had no children. The Zhengde Emperor's Daoist cousin, the Jiajing Emperorsucceeded him after his death, executed the Muslim guard Yu Yong and sent the Central Asian Muslim concubines back to the border.

The Southern Ming Yongli Emperor's courtiers, his son the crown prince Zhu Cixuan, his birth mother Ma and adopted mother Wang the empress dowagers and the chief eunuch Pang Tianshou were converted to Catholcism by the Polish-Hungarian Jesuit Michał Boym.

The crown prince took the name Constantine, the empress dowager Ma took the name Maria, empress dowager Wang took the name Helena and the chief eunuch took the name Achilles and a court official Zheng took the name Andrew. Crown Prince Constantine was supposed to convert China like how the Roman Emperor Constantine converted the Roman Empire. The Yongli Emperor's loyalists ruled western Guangdong, Guangxi, Yunnan and coastal Fujian in southern China.
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>>6427886
>me everytime I play Otomo in Shogun 2

To answer the question, the presence of Christianity deeply upset the concept of Budo among the warrior class. Samurai sons were taking up the book rather than the sword. As a daimyo, your ONLY means of defending your lands from bandits and other lords were your warriors. Of course, many Christian samurai did fight just as well; but the idea of Christ redeeming EVERYONE equally hardly gave the samurai and daimyos a case to keep their peasants in line
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>>6428063
But weren't samurai supposed to be scholarly and warriory?

Its literally in Confucian teaching: "Wenwu" (Scholarly and Military Learning) or "Bunbu" in Japanese.
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Reminder if Oda had stayed alive Christianity might be the majority faith in Japan today
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Japan was honestly fairly tolerant of christianity for a good while. It's only when the shogun figured out that it was undermining his authority that he took action.
Things like "there's no lord but jesus christ" and mostly the horrible realisation that catholics are under the authority of a "Pope" that's so far away and the shogun wasnt in the mood to share his authority with a guy he hasn't heard of.
While christian converts were mostly the lowest classes ("among the poor and beggars", right) as soon as some lords or samurai converted, it was straight up a political threat.
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>>6428096
Oda would probably turn on Christianity if they became influential enough.

He only supported them to fuck up the power of the militarized Buddhist monasteries.
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Because if you bother doing any research, the Kirishitan Daimyo sold hundreds of thousands of non Christian Japanese into slavery (with the help of the Jewish community of Kyushu, not even bullshitting) including selling the women into sex slavery for the Portuguese and Spanish's black slaves. So right off the bat the Christcucks are obsessing over seeing their women get raped by the BBC. Second of all in Kyushu they would burn down temples and shrines in order to forcefully spread their shitty religion. Finally during the Imjin war all the stupid fucking Kirishitan Daimyo who lost a battle let themselves be captured by the Koreans/Chinese, for which they were ostracized in Japanese society. They got everything they deserved and then some, and deserve no sympathy. The conclusion of the Shimbara rebellion was perfectly justified and what Kato Kiyomasa did to them at Hondo was a long time coming.
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Christianity basically tells you that your ancestors are evil and suffering eternal torment

That concept is a ghastly one to Confucian minds
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>>6428147
Nope. That's Protestcuck line. The Catholics in China said no such thing.
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>>6428157
They did

That’s why Christianity didn’t take off

You can’t worship a deity who is not only a lawless barbarian executed like a common criminal, but damns your glorious ancestors
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>>6428157
>a papist calling anyone a cuck
Pottery
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>>6428177
Lebanon has no Jews anymore and it's a Christian country.
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>>6428042
The Japanese religion was Shinto-Buddhism practiced as one religion. It was only artificially separated by the Meiji reformation.
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>>6428182

>Doesn't even mention the reason why it was once a fully christian country and now only 40% are christians.

Now, go on tell us
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>>6428210
Christians still control Lebanon. Christian men can marry Muslim women in Lebanon by getting a civil marriage in another country unlike in other Middle Eastern states which criminalize it because it contradicts shariah which forbids Muslim women from marrying non-Muslims. Christians control the Lebanese army.
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>>6428177
There's only like 500-900 Jews in the Philippines.
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>>6428222

Not for long, just like the christians in the west.
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>>6428232

Philippines are the second Thailand though, and they have 3 fucking different muslim seperatism factions beheading christians left and right.
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>>6428278
The Moro Muslims in Mindanao and Sulu are actually the victims, unlike Muslims in other parts of Asia like the Rohingya who are the perpetrators. This is a rare case where the perpetrators were the other side. Moro Muslims were moderate and didn't wear hijab or even pray much before 1900 and didn't have a good idea of their religion, they never leveled jizya tax or forbade pagan temples because most of them hadn't read a Qur'an or hadith in their life. The Americans and Filipinos invaded them, raped and massacre Moro Muslim women and children. They only got extremist more recently with modern communications pouring extremist literature.

It's Central Asian Muslims and South Asian Muslims who are extremist nutjobs who did jizya, mass rape and other war crimes. They were very familiar with Islamic texts.
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>>6428278
>>6428300
Moro Muslim chiefs used to practice wife sharing and swapping with non-Muslim Chinese merchants in the 19th century. That's how the Moro leader Datu Piang was born, his father was a non-Muslim Chinese and his mother was a Moro Muslim concubine lent by a Moro Muslim chief to the Chinese merchant. They didn't veil or wear hijab in the 19th century. Some modern Moro Muslims saw a picture of a Moro woman from the 19th century on facebook and were shocked she didn't wear a hijab and said it must be fake.
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>>6428313
There was also a big pagan Chinese temple right in the Moro capital of Jolo and no jizya tax. it was the Spanish who imposed a jizya head tax upon non-Catholics in the Philippines, having got the idea from the Muslim occupation of Spain for centuries when North African Muslims levied jizya and forced Spanish to convert or be killed. The Spanish acted like Muslims in the Philippines but the Moros did not act like Muslims.
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>>6428300

>Muslims are the victims

As if we haven't heard that enough already.
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>>6428313
>>6428300
>>6428278
>Le raped and killed poster.
Why do you always bring Muslims into threads that do not concern them?
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>>6428188
Abrahamic religions are inherently incompatible with Shinto
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>>6428327
Did you even read anything that was posted?

>Moro Muslims were moderate and didn't wear hijab or even pray much before 1900 and didn't have a good idea of their religion, they never leveled jizya tax or forbade pagan temples because most of them hadn't read a Qur'an or hadith in their life.

>It's Central Asian Muslims and South Asian Muslims who are extremist nutjobs who did jizya, mass rape and other war crimes. They were very familiar with Islamic texts.

>Moro Muslim chiefs used to practice wife sharing and swapping with non-Muslim Chinese merchants in the 19th century. That's how the Moro leader Datu Piang was born, his father was a non-Muslim Chinese and his mother was a Moro Muslim concubine lent by a Moro Muslim chief to the Chinese merchant. They didn't veil or wear hijab in the 19th century. Some modern Moro Muslims saw a picture of a Moro woman from the 19th century on facebook and were shocked she didn't wear a hijab and said it must be fake.

>1900

>19th century
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>>6428127
Oda was definitely more open-minded and interested in the outside world than other daimyo, I think that if Christianity propagated fast enough he might well convert to it himself, we know he had a number of Western advisors and dignitaries in his court, mostly Jesuits.
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>>6427937
tht was only because it seemed like christianity was destroying the country via the western powers(not saying this is true or anything) tht they started killing christians. china has been relatively tolerant of many religions for centuries
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>>6428349

So they were false muslims and would be stoned by the real ones if they came across them.
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>>6428165
Christianity was taking off like wildfire before the government cracked down on it
>By 1579, at the height of missionary activity, there were about 130,000 converts.[11] By the end of the 16th century, the Japanese mission had become the largest overseas Christian community that was not under the rule of a European power. Its uniqueness was emphasized by Alessandro Valignano since 1582, who promoted a deeper accommodation of Japanese culture. Japan was then the sole overseas country in which all members of those confraternities were locals, as was the case with Christian missions in Mexico, Peru, Brazil, the Philippines, or India, in spite of the presence of a colonial elite. Most Japanese Christians lived in Kyushu, but Christianization was now a regional phenomenon and had a national impact. By the end of the 16th century it was possible to find baptized people in virtually every province of Japan, many of them organized in communities. On the eve of the Sekigahara battle, fifteen daimyōs were baptized, and their domains stretched from Hyuga in Southeast Kyushu to Dewa in North Honshū (see Costa 2003). Hundreds of churches had been built throughout Japan. Accepted on a national scale, Christianity was also successful among different social groups from the poor to the rich, peasants, traders, sailors, warriors, or courtesans. Most of the daily activities of the Church were performed by Japanese from the beginning, giving the Japanese Church a native face, and this was one of the reasons for its success. By 1590, there were seventy native brothers in Japan, fully one half of Jesuits in Japan and fifteen percent of all Jesuits who were working in Asia.
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>>6428368
The ones who were familiar with the religion from South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East would go to the southern Philippines in the 20th century and "teach then" real Islam and the Qur'an, tafsir, seerah and hadith.
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>>6428325
>it was the Spanish who imposed a jizya head tax upon non-Catholics in the Philippines, having got the idea from the Muslim occupation of Spain for centuries when North African Muslims levied jizya and forced Spanish to convert or be killed

Wrong.jpg.

The Spanish tax system from the 16th century to the end of the 18th century was based on ethnicity.

The allied tribes paid "tributo real," the royal tribute accorded to Spain in return for the Spanish crown's protection.
Indios (Native Filipinos) paid the base amount of tax and they were Catholic converts.
Chinese and Chinese-Filipino halfbreeds paid twice/four times as much taxes on the logic that they would be mostly rich traders. This is why Flipchinks associated with Flips in the 18th Century which furthered their integration.

Meanwhile the Spanish person in the Philippines paid no tax. However he is subject to government monopolies and have to report for military service when needed. In addition Philippine-Born Spaniards were discriminated by Spaniards born in the Iberian Peninsula, which is why they too went over to the Filipino side in the revolutions of the 19th Century.
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>>6428379
Chinese who converted to Catholicism did not pay the head tax.
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>>6428386
*Did not pay the same amount of tax as Chinese who didn't convert.
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>>6428386
No they fucking did. You got taxed no matter what your religion.
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>>6428260
Lebanese Christians are armed unlike Christians in the west. They've been fighting all their existence.
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>>6428427

>They will shoot 60% of their country

Yeah good luck with that, Israel needed the help of the worldwide financial system to get where they are now.
Who is on Lebanons side? They are surrounded by muslims AND jews because of the military failures of the crusaders.
If they start killing muslims the other countries will scream "RACIST" and will call the burgers to stop another Hitler just like they did in Serbia.
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>>6428446
No need to kill Shiites. Shiites outnumber Sunnis in Lebanon. And no need to kill Druze either.
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>>6428063

Edo period laws were meant to keep the samurai under tight control.

The biggest problem was that Christians, particularly Catholics had strong ties to foreign parties. The Japanese were well aware of Portuguese and Spanish empire building, and they saw Catholics as a fifth column.
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Everyone here says that the Japanese saw Portuguese/Spanish missionaries as "5th Column" but how come the Chinese never saw it this way?

I mean they booted out the missionaries for disturbing the peace, not because they were sekrit spies.
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>>6428222
>Lebanese army.
An absolute joke. Hezbollah only gained as much influence as they did because of how trash the Lebanese army is
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>>6428222
Lebanon will soon be a shia country christcuck
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>>6429159
China was in a much different position than Japan. For one thing Japan was still dealing with the after math of a 150 year civil war. Its also much smaller, at the time less centrally controlled, and far more vulnerable to navel incursions.
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>>6428096
Imagine being this wrong. He was interested in western technology and advancements, but he himself wasn't particularly religious, he only supported the Kirishitans to help curb the Ikko and other militant buddhist factions. Look at most of the other famous, successful Christian "Converts" Date Masamune fostered it, but did not convert himself. Kuroda Kanbei converted but converted back almost right away with no qualms and even went on to become a Priest in the Japanese religion. Oda Nobunaga didn't have any theological or spiritual loyalty to Christianity.
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>>6429195
Nigger
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anyone study the secret underground christian sect on Japan and can you please share? i heard they divert so much the sect changes freaking a lot
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>>6427886
Anglos
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>>6430478
Well I doubt Indian or Chinese Jews are at all like their Middle Eastern brethren so that's a given. If you separate a population from the rest evolution starts to do its magic.
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>>6427886
dutch propaganda
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Christianity in China has had ~1000 years history. In Japan, it was a new and dangerous religion with the power to takeover Japan.
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>>6430987
Not really. Imperial Chinese society never fully understood Christianity as a phenomena until the 19th century and under the Ming and Earli Qing period, assumed its sectarian divisions were different religions altogether.

Nestorianism was considered a Persian religion
Catholicism is Tianzhu Jiao (Heavenly Lord's Religion) and associated with Europeans
Protestantism is Jidu Jiao Xin Jiao (literally" "That Jesus Religion, no not the old one, the new one.")
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>>6427886
Because Pope asked Christians paying tax to him instead Shogun.
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>>6431003
Thats definitely not accurate. We know for a fact that Yuan dynasty had Nestorian Christians engage in dialog and find common understanding with Byzantine. Not to mention Mongol frontiers like Golden Horde/Ilkhanate had regular dealings with Christians whom they had treaties/allies/enemies with.
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not a single good answer ITT

I had a thread on this recently but mods deleted it, bascically they were misinformed about what christianity was about and the bakufu hated religion in general, they also BTFO monks. They only let cuck religions that were no challenge to the state and bootlicked survive
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>>6427886
because Christians were en route to become a powerful organized group in Edo Japan and the Shogun wasn't going to have any of that.
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>>6428300
>victims

lmfao these same turbanheads were waging wars against the neighboring lumad populace because they were raiding their communities and taking their people as slaves. When the Spaniards came, the Moslem expansion was halted as they built an outpost in Davao. It became a huge refuge for non-islamic Indigenous communities
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>>6434288
The Spanish also wanted to conquer and convert the Lumad and Igorot.
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>>6430478
My understanding is the priests were completely killed off, and the rites were passed down among elders.

Because of this there tended to be some degree of blending with Buddhism and Christianity, and it certainly did not stay as Orthodox Catholicism.

today is pretty much just some traditions, more performance than act of faith.
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>>6427886
Fucking jealous Prots ruined everything

>In 1614, Carvalho complained of Adams and other merchants in his annual letter to the Pope, saying that "by false accusation [Adams and others] have rendered our preachers such objects of suspicion that he [Ieyasu] fears and readily believes that they are rather spies than sowers of the Holy Faith in his kingdom." [16][17] Ieyasu, influenced by Adams' counsels and disturbed by unrest caused by the numerous Catholic converts, expelled the Portuguese Jesuits from Japan in 1614. He demanded that Japanese Catholics abandon their faith. Adams apparently warned Ieyasu against Spanish approaches as well
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>>6434820
>and disturbed by unrest caused by the numerous Catholic converts
Should have kept the urge to chimp out suppressed until *after* seizing control of the country.
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>>6434835
They were defending themselves
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>>6434820
Prots are just christians who act like jews. Fucking subversive cunts
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>>6434845
Defending themselves against reprisals for their temple-burning activities.

>>6434851
Read about the San Felipe incident.
The Catholics were too stupid to avoid outright admitting that they were trying to conquer and colonize Japan.
By the time Adams had made it to Japan, it was already obvious that Christianity didn't have much of a future there.
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China's emperor isn't the head of the country's religion.
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>>6427937
>>6428354
Weren't most of the people the Boxers killed Chinese christians because they saw them as traitors?
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>>6428102
This reminded me about the same situation the Japanese have had when they settled in Kingdom of Ayutthaya ( Ligore or Nakhon Si Thammarat to be exact ) they meddled too much in Siamese politics and got massacred and kicked out.
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>>6434969
Neither is the Shogun
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>>6427886
>while Ming and Qing China were cool with it?
Why do you never do a tiny bit of research first before you spew these questions? These Jesuits missionaries had brought European military technologies and all kinds of cutting-edged scientific knowledge, medicines, arts...etc and astronomy to exchange their rights of preaching, not because of the religion itself. Chinese Confucianists value knowledge more than anything besides ethics.

>Even then the Qings still let Jesuits in the country and allowed missionaries to operate again under Qianling.
No, they're merely allowed to operate in the royal court, as artisans or educational advisers, No Preaching! No religious shits outside their own tiny circles! The most famous one is Giuseppe Castiglione(朗世寧), he's renown for his paintings and artistic skils, not preaching or religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Castiglione_(Jesuit_painter)
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>>6427886
Jew fears the samurai.
But honestly, Japan despised any foreign influence that might pose societal danger to their tradition and culture.
Seeing how Christians always start to chimp out, they did the right thing.
At least Japan retained it's culture and tradition instead of becoming another empty self hating nation that Christians produce.
China was giant and didn't see a threat of yet another foreign cult.
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>>6427886
Christianity is a threat wherever it goes, and Japan had the foresight to realize that their nation would be entirely infected by the mind virus if it weren't violently suppressed. Japan is the only nation on Earth that hasn't fallen to Abrahamics or is in the process of falling to Abrahamics. Chalk it up to sane thinking, which honestly was prevalent throughout the Edo period.
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>>6428143
Source
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>>6441435
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Japan#Early_Jewish_settlements_in_Japan
>displaced by Shimazu
>in the Kyushu area where the slave trade happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirishitan#Economic_activities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan#Enslavement_of_Japanese_people

It's best to read the books that the >wikipedia
page cites though
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>>6440050
Absolutely based.
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>>6427886
Chinese are based and portuboos
Japs felt so insecure when they saw western civilization that they went into isolation for century's
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>>6434973
yes because it looked like christianity was causing it via foreign devils
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>>6428143
why are jews literally always involved
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>>6440050
Japan is a christian nation today, what the fuck are you talking about lmao
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>>6443469
I dunno. You have to read between the lines. The slave trade primarily happened in Christian occupied territories in Kyushu. Heading the merchant class of the major trade cities of those exact same territories, were the Jews.
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>>6443479
What dark alternate timeline are you from?
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>>6443469
They have a vested interest in being evil and hated as possible it seems
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>>6427886
China is a pretty huge country and Christianity can pretty much set out their churches without conquering the whole land.

Japan is just a tiny group of islands isolated from other countries. They tend to be irrationally afraid that foreigners are going to barge in and force them to change their way of life. Plus, peasants believing in God might lead to them challenging the authority of the Samurai, Shoguns, and Feudal lords.
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>>6443479
Are you sure, friendo?
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>>6444405
Makes sense. Modern Japanese Families realize that Shinto sucks and started getting into anime characters.
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>>6444418
>>6444405
Shit's sake, even Wikipedia clarifies this.
They only answer Shinto even if they practice broadly Shinto beliefs and rituals if they believe to a certain sect of Shinto. Most Japanese are broadly Shinto, or "Folk Shinto"
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>>6428188
Buddhism is mostly teachings about how to live life properly and achieve nirvana. It isn't really opposed worshiping Amaterasu, the emperor and pleasing/respecting the spirits of Nippon.
Christianity is mostly about submitting and praising a omniscient God and worshiping his jew son who is also him and if you make remotely one mistake even without knowing it, you will go to eternal hell of torture...

Christianity is incompatable with Shinto and japanese culture and to be quite honest, it isn't in any non-semetic/"chosen" nation.
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>>6428042
This very much.
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>>6443469
Their abrahamic teachings spread around 70% of earths non-ocean land mass and causes trouble to this very day.
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>>6427886
>How come the Toyotomi and Tokugawa Shogunates in Japan chimped out against Christianity in China while Ming and Qing China were cool with it?
Japanese made the right decision. For Qing China's tolerance of christians, the christians caused the deadliest war in Chinese history, and killed 100 million Chinese.
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>>6441515
Why would a feudal society care about muh nationals, that kind of thinking would only come later. Probably just didn't want them to benefit off their backs.
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>>6450022
The Protestants only managed to enter China following the Opium War, dumbass.

Prior to that Christians- largely Catholics and whatever was left of the Eastern Churches- caused no trouble.
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>>6451858
Because if someone started stealing my peasants I would be fucking mad too.
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>>6444405
Buddhism in Japan became all distilled and bullshit after Meiji era.
>>6446555
Japan was very different before Meiji era. There were many authentic Buddhists and didn't give a shit about "worshiping Amaterasu, the emperor and pleasing/respecting the spirits of Nippon" outside of some illiterate tribes.
>Christianity is incompatable with Shinto and japanese culture and to be quite honest, it isn't in any non-semetic/"chosen" nation.
Authentic Buddhism is incompatible with East Asian pagan nonsense too.
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>>6450022
>implying bloody rebellions that cull millions aren't a constant in Chinese history

If it wasn't the Taipings it would've been something else
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We are posting by machine translation from Japan.
It is written in detail here.
https://ironna.jp/article/11884

Christian missionaries at the time secured slaves while disseminating around the world.
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>>6443436
No it is because the missionaries were actively advocating conflict within the community, rejecting traditional faith/religion,
not to mention pushing for the drug trade and putting Western interests over Chinese interests.
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>>6427943
This. Christianity was seen as a way for European powers to backdoor their way into controlling Japan.
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>>6427886
>>6429159
The Portuguese first showed up in China in 1513, just after the conquest of Malacca in 1511. A trade mission went out in 1516, and a diplomatic mission in 1519. They got booted out by force in the early 1520s because one trader was buying up Chinese girls to sell as wives to the Portuguese colonists back in Goa. Also the Malaccans had sent ambassadors to the Ming court to curtail the Portuguese embassy mission.

In 1554 they bribed their way back in with silver gifted to the governor of Canton. They were allowed to settle year round in Macau three years later. The Jesuit missionary Francis Xavier arrived in 1549 and so was not allowed to settle permanently. So up until that point the Chinese had mostly met Portuguese captains and traders. Xavier came back in 1553, but he died of a fever.

During their interim with Ming China a Portuguese ship caught in a storm crashed on Island of Tanegashima in 1543 and gave them the matchlock which the Japanese called the "Tanegashima Iron Rod". A fast trading relationship developed because the Japanese were being embargoed by China for Wako pirate attacks.

In 1547 Anjiro, a Japanese man who fled his homeland to avoid murder charges, arrived in Portuguese Malacca and met with Francis Xavier. With Anjiro as an interpreter, in 1549 Xavier arrived in Japan and stayed for a few years in Kagoshima as more or less the highest ranking Portuguese official in Japan, converting lots of people.

At the same time Portuguese traders had begun buying up Japanese girls to sell as wives to the Portuguese colonists back in Goa. But the Japanese slave trade grew and grew over the decades, despite the King of Portugal trying to ban it in 1571. By that point it was worth a great deal of money and slave women were being sold all over the Indies from Vietnam to Mozambique. Hideyoshi decided that enough was enough and in 1587 told the Jesuits that he would ban Christianity outright if the slave trade continued. The trade continued.
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>>6456787
>They got booted out by force in the early 1520s because one trader was buying up Chinese girls to sell as wives to the Portuguese colonists back in Goa.
Incorrect. The Portuguese involved also bought Chinese boys, not only girls. The children bought were all pre adolescent and were to be used as household servants in Daman and Diu. They fought the battles of Tunmen and Shancaowan.
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>>6456810
The fourth of the Kunjali Marakkars rescued one of the Chinese boys from a Portuguese ship and called him Chinali. The boy had been used as a servant at Melaka. He became the right hand man of the Kunjali Marakkar.
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>>6456810
Right, those battles were very intense.
But if I remember correctly Daman and Diu weren't occupied by the Portuguese until the 1530s.
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>>6457054
Some of the Chinese were later found in Diu and the Chinese boy rescued by the Kunjali Marakkar was sent to Melaka.
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>>6457077
They probably moved them from Goa to Diu after they occupied it.

The Kunjali Marakkar who rescued Chinali became king in 1595, so Chinali must have been taken in a later slaving expedition than those of Simão de Andrade who slaved in Chian from 1519 to 1545.
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>>6427912
This, the especially bad part was the human trafficking. Christianity was tolerable until it became public they were kidnapping and smuggling Japanese women.
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>>6458020
Actually the anime OP uses as pic related touches on the expulsion of the Christians. Why would they get banned if they did nothing wrong?
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>>6427910
>/thread
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>>6427886
God, I hate this show . Nice sound track though.
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quite easy question.Christians invaded Japan and tried to colonize it.
So Japan was not the only colony in Asia.
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The Portuguese are psychopaths



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