>>15631443
The Soviets handed control of an Armenian-populated region over to Azerbaijan so that if the USSR ever dissolved, there'd be a shitshow. In the 90s (actually the 80s already due to Russian passivity, which mirrors late Yugoslavia) there was ethnic violence from both sides which resulted in a war at around the time the USSR was collapsing.

The Armenians had numerous advantages like having had generals in the Soviet army as well as better equipment so it was a onesided conflict. Armenians from the Nagorno-Karabakh region (I am using the UN nomer) also massacred between 200 to 600 Azerbaijani citizens that were attempting to flee the zone of conflict, see Khojaly massacre.

Now, Azerbaijan is the richer nation and has played the political game much better than the Armenians occupying the NK region, given that many of the prominent ''heroes'' also were involved in terorrist activity abroad. One of them was Monte Melkonyan (had involvement in the Iranian revolution and two wars in Lebanon) and is crowned a national hero of Armenia. Obviously that does not create soil for diplomacy between two nations.

If you feel like I left anything out please mention it.

>>15631481
Seems comprehensive.
> If the USSR ever dissolved, there'd be a shitshow.
Why would Lenin do such epic trolling?

>>15631481
>Now, Azerbaijan is the richer nation and has played the political game much better than the Armenians occupying the NK region
With this I mean over the past twenty years. Azerbaijan has oil and massively increased military spending which allowed it to make bold geopolitical moves like taking back NK and surrounding regions which were both occupied by Armenians. It is a fact no Azerbaijanis were allowed to live there under Armenian rule and and many lost their houses after being kicked out by Armenian settlers.

Armenia completely shit the bed trying to secure allies in the West while simultaneously turning their back to Putin. When the war broke out in 2020, it was clear that Russia wouldn't back up Armenians.

>>15631481
>>15631492
I often see propagandists online attempt to muddy ''Turkey'' and ''Azerbaijan'' as if they are and always had been two inseparate entities with similar motivations and long-term strategies but this is false. Azerbaijan did not take part in the multiple ethnic cleansing campaigns of Armenians that were orchestrated by the Turks a hundred years ago and earlier.

It is true that Azerbaijan and Turkey support eac other, currently, but each have their own respective interests within the region and are allies only insofar as they help realize each others goals.

When it's made clear that the argument that Azerbaijan played a role in the Armenian genocide is false (a doofus argument in the first place since many Armenian propagandists claim Azerbaijan didn't exist before the 90s), one cannot overlook the many failed attempts of Armenians to secure land from its other neighbours (like Georgia) before and during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It's not just a religious Christian versus Muslim conflict. Armenians legitimately believe that because there's an Armenian church standing in your land, it somehow belongs to them now. There's many parallels to the religious Zionist argumentation drawn from ''blood and soil'' mentality, justifying the ethnic cleansing of locals to secure ones own people a land.

>>15631532
>many Armenian propagandists claim Azerbaijan didn't exist before the 90s
I don't know how widespread this argument is in Armenia but it's funny how I've never heard such statements being made from a position of "security" on the part of the nation denier, except in the case of Romania vs Moldova.

>Zbros now have to support the second armenian genocide because armenia wanted to suck euro dick
uhhh

>>15631443
Azeris are foreign settlers by the safavids who became half russian mongrels ie Aliyev (lmao). They hqve no business being in the caucasus

>>15631597
>I don't know how widespread this argument is in Armenia but it's funny how I've never heard such statements being made from a position of "security" on the part of the nation denier, except in the case of Romania vs Moldova.
Specify a bit more please? I'm ESL and it's late here.

>>15631628
Here's a non-exhaustive list of ethnicities in the Caucasus that came from somewhere else. Will you apply the same logic to them and wish them out or can you elaborate on why they are magically immune?
>Kumyks (Turkic)
>Karachay (Turkic)
>Ossetians (Iranid)
>Kalmyks (Mongolic)
>Caucasus Greeks
>Talysh (Iranid)
>Mountain Jews
>Balkars (Turkic)

See, I called it in >>15631532. The ''blood and soil'' rhetoric is very well present within Armenian propaganda where instead of attempts for peace, they instead frame the undesirables as non-native and therefore fit for expulsion. The irony of the ''not welcome here'' argument once again is beyond them because they themselves suffered ethnic cleansings at the hand of the Ottoman Turks leaving behind only small pockets of Armenians in Middle Eastern regions that were previously densely populated with them.

I'm not afraid of playing dirty. One more low effort attempt to dehumanize Azerbaijanis and I will start exposing the Armenian history of international terrorism.

>>15631721
>Kumyks (Turkic)
>>Karachay (Turkic)
>>Ossetians (Iranid)
>>Kalmyks (Mongolic)
>>Caucasus Greeks
>>Talysh (Iranid)
>>Mountain Jews
>>Balkars (Turkic)
All the same trash as you aliyev

>>15631481
Aboout Khojaly, if you read third parties' witness accounts (i.e. not Armenian or Azeri), it paints a different picture.

Khojaly was an Azeri village that was to be evacuated of civilians because the Armenian army was approaching. Most left but some did not leave for reasons unknown. As the Armenian army was getting the upper hand in the fighting, the Azeri army took out their military uniform and changed to civilian clothes and started shooting from civilian positions among the fleeing Azeri civilians. The Armenian army responded by attacking pretty much anyone due to confusion, including innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. Later on, Azeri reporters disfigured the corpses to make up that they were tortured to death.

Was it bad? Of course, but it doesn't justify genociding Armenians. It was stupidity from the Azeri army forcing the Armenians to also answer in a mediocre way.

>>15631486
It was Stalin who did this.

>>15631532
Azerbaijan did not participate in the 1915 genocide because that was done in Western Armenian lands, while the Eastern Armenian lands and Azerbaijan were under Russian control. The Russian Empire was not letting Azerbaijan get close to Turkey in WWI due to obvious reasons.

When the Russian Empire collapsed, then Azerbaijan started committing massacres against Armenians, independently from the collapsing Turkey. Those are different genocides.

>>15631735
As you wish, Lowtestyan.

>TERRORIST THREAT TO SUBWAYS PUTS TORONTO POLICE ON ALERT
>The police continued to keep a close watch in and around the subway system today, a day after an Armenian terrorist group had said it would detonate a bomb there.
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/04/03/world/terrorist-threat-to-subways-puts-toronto-police-on-alert.html

>1978 Madrid, Spain
Attack on Turkish Ambassador Zeki Kuneralp's automobile by three people. His wife Necla Kuneralp, retired Turkish ambassador Besir Balcioglu and Spanish chauffeur Antonio Torres died. Both ASALA and JCAG claimed responsibility.

>1980, Rome, Italy
Two bombs detonate at Turkish Airlines office in Rome's Piazza della Repubblica, killing two and injuring 12. The second bomb was calculated to kill or wound the curious who came to watch after the first bomb went off. ASALA claimed responsibility.[14]

>1982, Ankara, Turkey
Ankara Esenboğa Airport attack: ASALA members attacked Ankara Esenboğa Airport. Nine people were killed and 78 injured in the bomb and machine gun shootout between the attackers and the Turkish security forces. The dead included an American and a West German passenger.

>1983, Paris, France
1983 Orly Airport attack: A bomb exploded in a suitcase at the Turkish Airlines check-in desk in the airport's crowded southern terminal. 3 people were killed immediately in the blast and another 5 died in hospital. Among the victims were 4 French, 2 Turks, 1 American and 1 Swede.


Mind you, ASALA is just one of the Armenian terrorist cells.

>>15631789
A brief piece on one of the many heroic acts of Monte Melkonian (Armenian national hero):
>Galip Ozmen was the Administrative Attaché of Turkish Embassy in Greece and Turkish intelligence (MIT) agent, who was assassinated in Athens on 31 July 1980 by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA). An Armenian gunman attacked Galip Ozmen, 45, and his family as they were waiting in their automobile in the Pangrati area of Athens. Galip Ozmen was killed and his fourteen-year-old daughter, Neslihan Ozmen, later died of her wounds. His wife, Sevil Ozmen, and his sixteen-year-old son, Kaan Ozmen, were seriously wounded, but survived.
>The assassination was carried out by Monte Melkonian. Melkonian claimed that he was unable to clearly see the passengers, who were obscured by darkly tinted window glass, and believed they were all diplomats. Melkonian was allegedly shocked to learn that the other passengers were Ozmen's family and later wrote that he would have spared them if he had a clearer view. However, eyewitnesses testified that the killer waited in front of Ozmen's house, watched the family get into the car, and then opened fire

>>15631481
>1980s/`1990s
>Armenians are based Orthodox crusaders, Azeris are durka durak-tier turkomen.
>2010s
>Armenians are deracinated globohomos
>Azeris are rich Jihadist

>>15631789
Those are KGB puppets. Doesn't count.

>>15631443
A long perpetual clusterfuck, like most of Eastern Europe/Middle East/Western Asia

>>15631760
>Azerbaijan did not participate in the 1915 genocide because that was done in Western Armenian lands
A shameless claim. Inserting motives with nothing to support it; hearsay, as court would have it.

Since you insist on this angle, be aware that I can make a much better argument with actual evidence behind it: we have already seen what the Armenians would do. As soon as they got the upperhand: they decided 800 000 Azerbaijanis should be mercilessly kicked out of their houses so Armenians could squat the land (and burn it down and place landmines when Aliyev took it back in 2020. No progress in that land from 1991 to 2020 either, simply living there in squalor was enough to satisfy the Armenian ethnostate wet dream. Azerbaijan took it back and decided to be the better state by allowing natives to live there, to the dismay of all the wolf-criers.


>''The sovereign status of the Republic of Artsakh is not recognized by any United Nations member state (including Armenia)''
Kek

>>15631738
Cite your sources.

>>15631899
Helsinki Watch reported that "the militia, still in uniform, and some still carrying their guns, were interspersed with the masses of civilians" and according to eyewitness accounts, there was a shooting between Armenian forces and the Azerbaijani forces who were mixed with the civilians.[36] At the same time, Human Rights Watch and Memorial stated that the killing of civilians could not be justified under any circumstances. Human Rights Watch noted that

>"The attacking party is still obliged to take precautionary measures to avoid or minimize civilian casualties. In particular, the party must suspend an attack if it becomes apparent that the attack may be expected to cause civilian casualties that are excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. The circumstances surrounding the attack at Nakhichevanik on those fleeing from Khojaly indicate that Armenian forces and the troops of the 366th CIS regiment (who were not apparently acting on orders from their commanders) deliberately disregarded this customary law restraint on attacks".

However, the obligation to protect the civilians was likewise breached by the Azerbaijani side. As stated by HRW report:

>The parties may not use civilians to shield military targets from attack or to shield military operations including retreats. Thus a party that intersperses combatants with fleeing civilians puts those civilians at risk and violates its obligation to protect its own civilians.

>Human Rights Watch described the Khojaly massacre in their 1994 report as "the largest massacre to date" in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict. Mentioning that "there are no exact figures for the number of Azeri civilians killed because Karabakh Armenian forces gained control of the area after the massacre", HRW estimated the number of Azerbaijani civilian deaths at least 161 in 1993 and then to at least 200 in 1994, mentioning the possibility that as many as 500-1,000 may have died".

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>>15631443
>what is the reason
mountain roach infestation into armenian and persian lands

>>15631721
>Will you apply the same logic to them and wish them out
yes, all of these can go to hell
>>15631789
all targeted at roaches. based.

>>15631954
Besides writing like a teenager, you are also very ignorant. The Azerbaijani population of NW Iran and Azerbaijan differ genetically, with the NW Iran population samples being more Turkic than the Azerbaijanis from the ROA (Republic of Azerbaijan), the latter which has significant admixture from both native Caucasian tribes as well as Iranids. Furthermore, Persian Turks gradually migrated into Azerbaijan and not the other way around.

>>15631969
Revealing your true intentions is good for open dialogue. The people reading this thread will now have a glimpse into the mindset of the same people who cry genocide just to wish for it themselves. Ironically, all the cries of Azerbaijanis being out for genocide have now died down since every sane person knows it's not real. Talking about that, what the the rogue state sympathisants need to understand is that so-called artsakh will always remain a fantasy.

>>15631443
>azeri-chan

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>>15631986
>muh genetics
yeah, and they are so much different that iran is frightened by the idea of greater azerbaijan. ethnicity/nationalism > genetics
>persian turks migrated
while iranians are (among other) seljuk rapebabies, it doesn't disprove the roach infestation fact. most iranians don't identify as turkic.

>>15631721
>>Kumyks (Turkic)
>>Karachay (Turkic)
>>Ossetians (Iranid)
>>Kalmyks (Mongolic)
>>Caucasus Greeks
>>Talysh (Iranid)
>>Mountain Jews
>>Balkars (Turkic)
There is literally nothing of value here. The only exceptions are Ossetians and Greeks since they actually contributed in the realm of science and philosophy. You can add cherkess and chechens to your list as well, they're basically turkic people.

>>15631986
Wow isn't it crazy how the Russians just so happened to draw the borders where the two genetically different Azeri populations border eachother, almost like you're full of shit.

>>15632007
lol I am not armenian, but that land is rightfully theirs. azeris wouldn't do shit if it wasn't for turkey support.

>>15631486
>>15631743
It was an attempt to be on good terms with Turkey, which was a strategic goal for a number of European countries (see France and Hatay State). Nobody in the USSR at the time entertained the thought that the country was going to balkanize, so they didn't imagine these organizational changes would lead to dire consequences decades later (see Crimea).

>>15632063
The wording in your post reminds me of how Arab nations claim they'd win if America didn't support Israel, lol. If you truly believe it belongs to Armenians, build your case and go present it to any international court because you are going against UN resolutions that not even Armenia protests. I will review your legal arguments for you if you promise to walk in with a straight face.

>>15632062
>>15632051
>>15632040
It's incredible how much seethe an airtight argument attracts.

>Wow isn't it crazy how the Russians just so happened to draw the borders where the two genetically different Azeri populations border eachother.
This implies that you think borders, by necessity, mark ethnic differences, which is not true. Generally, NW Iran Azerbaijanis differ from ROA Azerbaijanis, which is a moot point anyways since >>15631954 falsely claims they migrated from the mountains to Iran (it's the opposite).

>>15631481
>so that if the USSR ever dissolved, there'd be a shitshow
let's be real the ethnic borders were already a mess. Armenians used to dominate the Baku city council, Azeris were a majority in Erivan Khanate, internal disputes between the two wrecked Transcaucasia and its efforts to separate during the Russian Civil War.
Soviets probably could've drawn borders a bit better but the place is like the balkans in terms of the ethnic map, trying to turn it into nation states was a war waiting to happen

>>15631815
We aren’t religious, idiot

Armenia is a cringe liberal democracy, which constantly flip-flops between being pro-american and pro-russian. It has no long-term strategy. Every politician just wants to extract as much wealth as possible from their term in power. Armenians are similar to Sephardic Jews. They also have a lobby in America and a diaspora, but are substantially less powerful and don’t control American media, finance or hollywood and unlike Israel they don‘t have a strong secret service with a blanc check to operate freely and they also don’t have a lot of top companies unlike Israel, whose citizens own a lot of powerful companies operating all over the world.

Meanwhile Azerbaijan is a based Monarchy and ruled dictatorially. They slowly built up their economy for years, creating a stronger foundation on than relying on degenerate Armenian Diaspora like the Kardashians sending money back. They invested in their military and acquired modern drones while Armenia was still stuck with cold-war era equipment and tactics. They in the end had better relations with both Russia, despite Armenia being in a military alliance with them and the EU, who valued Azerbaijan for it‘s resources and a corridor linking Europe to Central Asia. Then all that was missing was Turkey, which gave support to Armenia and since Turkey is needed by the USA to keep Russia contained, the Azeris were able to have a man-to-man fight with Armenia in one of the rare cases of a local war with no outside involvement ruining it for balancefag reasons. Armenia got fucked and still hasn’t learned their lesson to this day.

>>15631532
Sounds like a shit show that I want nothing to do with.

>>15631606
They deserve it for inflicting the Kardashians on the world.

>>15631443
Soviet border autism. The solution is every Armenian in Artsakh is deported back to Armenia but in exchange every Azeri is deported from Nakhchivan.

>>15631954
As a persian, we should have killed all those tu*kish foreigners back to Asia, completely pathetic these subhumans. Most unhinged people ever, they are constantly seeking expansion

>>15632126
Keep coping turk roach, your never getting back your land and iran will literally destory you subhumans.

>>15632870
>>15632866
>you will all die hahaha!
>soon, very soon, but not now
Being so comically evil while digging your own grave because you fail at geopolitics is why chad Aliyev prevailed in 2020. I’m not sure if you can see it, at this point. In the last war your kind was so certain about Armenian victory and dismissed every embarrassment as propaganda.

It’s funny though, you’re still proving the point I made very early on in the thread: mentions of the Armenian genocide are gleefully accompanied by promises that you’ll genocide the people YOU don’t like. I know you’re not intelligent, but not so much that you’re unable to see the irony soak through. What I think more likely is you’re conveniently not replying to this contradiction by playing dumb. I called you out in it, so now address the contradiction.

>>15632104
>(see France and Hatay State)
It's crazy how many things just get shoved up Roachistan's ass, Hatay, Cyprus, NATO, Northen Syria. They could invade Armenia and Iraq tomorrow and no one would say anything, I bet they could also claim some greek islands only getting a slap to their hands by the west if the right situation arises they are already invading greek airspace daily with fighter jets and damage the Cyprus border.

>>15633487
Isn’t there something you forgot? Address my post made >>15633290 here

You’re so eager to partake in shitflinging and gloating, meanwhile your rogue state just took another L just today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66863702.amp


This conflict is three decades old (more if you count what happened during the Russian empire’s death throes) and you keep acting bellicose and hubristic. Look what it brought you? “Artsakh” failed at geopolitics so hard not even Armenia recognizes it. I’m willing to bet most seethere here are Armenian diaspora mad at Turks. I’m also willing to bet that the day the 2020 war broke out, they didn’t make a single effort to help out the people they call “brothers” back home.
Good example: System of a Down members crying out for war comfortably sipping beers in Glendale.
You’re shooting yourself in the foot and you have no one to blame for consequential misery.

Armenians too busy seething on twitter now that arsesack is dead

>>15633502
>Isn’t there something you forgot? Address my post made >>15633290 # here
>replies are by one person
Not the same anon

there's no point at replying to specific post, as other anon kidnapped my answers (shame this board does not have IDs). so I will just post it here: general problem is the roach infestation from asian steppes (oghuz, suljuks, azeris...) into civilized world (greece, persia, armenia), slowly taking the land and purging original population. reasons west supports azeris are:
1) oil
2) support from our greatest ally

>>15633290
Roach, keep coping and Seething. The Iranian state will never let you win, turks are the most hated group in Iran after the arabs, don't kid yourself you foreign invader. Every turk women and kid will be bashed against rocks and executed God willing

>>15633752
Turks are unhinged imperialists, everywhere they go they cause issues. A good thing Balkan states killed off all their roach population

why don´t they just exchange enclaves? it´s fucking retarded

>>15633790
Why would I seethe? I'm having good fun providing useful information in this thread. It's telling though, that you keep hurling delusional threats without anything to back it up. You've been doing this gig since 2020 but now it's over, the rogue state set up in 1991 has surrendered and all land can return to its rightful owner.

>1. The formations of Armenia’s armed forces stationed in the Karabakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan and illegal armed groups lay down their arms, withdraw from their battle positions and military outposts and are subjected to complete disarmament.
>2. Simultaneously, all the ammunition and heavy military equipment is handed over.
>3. Conducting the abovementioned process in coordination with the Russian peacekeeping contingent is ensured," the ministry said.

https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3800108.html

>>15633752
What's the matter, realized you were wrong and now trying to change the subject by weaseling in other things?
> mentions of the Armenian genocide are gleefully accompanied by promises that you’ll genocide the people YOU don’t like. I know you’re not intelligent, but not so much that you’re unable to see the irony soak through. What I think more likely is you’re conveniently not replying to this contradiction by playing dumb. I called you out in it, so now address the contradiction.

No answer so far. But fine, I'll bite in your attempt to derail: what is winning? As I mentioned previously, the ROA just won back NK and surrounding regions.

>>15633794
The UN condems Armenian imperialism. Please try to keep up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions_on_the_Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

>While General Assembly resolutions are not binding on the members, they do reflect their opinion. In that respect, it was also important that the resolution reaffirmed, "no State shall recognize as lawful the situation resulting from the occupation of the territories of the Republic of Azerbaijan, nor render aid or assistance in maintaining this situation." Such language is a condemnation of any country actively supporting a movement that does not respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country. Furthermore, previous UN documents, unlike this resolution, did not contain explicit clauses on non-recognition of the breakaway Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_62/243

>>15633790
>Every turk women and kid will be bashed against rocks and executed God willing
You promise?

Absolutely having a field day knowing that the dissolution of Artsakh will raise cortisol levels in all the diaspora keyboard warriors.

>>15633816
Ideally, Azerbaijan would annex Zangezur so they wouldn't have an exclave at all. They just never say it outright because it'd go against the "international law" justification they use for ethnic cleansing.

>>15633959
Where was the international law in the 90s, when Armenians ethnically cleansed 800 000 Azerbaijanis?
You're not getting ''cleansed''. You're just insane and cried wolf so many times that it won't work anymore.

>>15632574
Azerbaijan didn’t build up their economy. They are a gas and oil based monoculture. They got lucky. Take that away and they are just or likely more backward than Armenia. Both countries were only held in check by Russian influence in the region. Now Turkey is stronger than Russia and is starting to assert greater influence. The result is the most recent phase of conflict. This conflict is mostly desired by Azerbaijan, but you would be foolish to think Turkey has no interest in stepping in on Armenian lands to asserting themselves as peacekeepers for the foreseeable future.

>>15633819
Iran won't let you accomplish this turk roach, God willing I knew a friend whose bother was a PKK member and shot turks in the head :). The day we kill all of your kind, the day peace is achieved

>>15634016
Ask the Armenian separatists how delusional rhetoric worked out for them.

>>15633840
>>15633849
>Roach coping
You'll never win because iran won't allow you to take their boarder province with Armenia. Filthy turks, hope all turkish kids are beheaded

>>15634021
Iran will mow you turks over for even attempting this. Bad enough your in bed with the turks but the kikes too? No no no, not acceptable according the the head mullah roach.

>>15634024
You seem so angry I can grill a shashlik on your forehead!

>>15634033
Says the ugly turk, go back to central Asia roach. Bash turkish babies and cut off turkish genitalia

>>15633819
>What's the matter, realized you were wrong
I don't even know what are you replying to, schizoid. Wrong about what? I wrote post about mountain roach infestation. You apparently came up with some retarded logic that I imply they simply spilled over from north through caucasus, which I didn't claim. Infestation to that area indeed came through roach-ruled persia, russia later split part of persia to form today's azerbaijan (as you definitely know), but the point is, if roach infestation toward middle east didn't happen, we all would be better off.
Now feel free to remind me again who is winning (which I also didn't question).

My father fought in the war in the 90s and told me how he use to murder turkish civilians by lightning them on fire and cutting off turkish heads

>>15633965
>You're not getting ''cleansed''. You're just insane and cried wolf so many times that it won't work anymore.
I'm not even Armenian. It's just blatantly obvious to anyone who doesn't have a vested interest in supporting Azerbaijan for arms sales or oil exports that they're trying to ethnically cleanse NK.

Iran should just invade the turks and deal with them, it is their lost territory stolen by the Russians. Completely pathetic how the persians are allowing this to occur

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I solved the problem. Man, politics is stupid.

>>15634050
Tone down on the angry talk and post your arguments because you have trouble doing both.
In >>15631954 it was claimed that Azerbaijanis were Turks from the mountains that spilled into Armenian and Persian lands. In >>15632126 I in detail clarified why that is bullshit, to which the response was ''Keep coping turk roach, your never getting back your land and iran will literally destory you subhumans''. Then you go on tangents about how it would be good if Turks were killed, a view common in the Armenian diaspora (who will then yammer about the Armenian genocide).

You wish for bloodshed but le brave separatists gave up on their power fantasy. Maybe it is better for your health if you give it a rest, too.

>>15634044
>>15634029
>>15634016
Truly makes me wonder why your societies are terrible to live in :)

>>15634055
It's been three years. Where is le ethnic cleansing you talk of?
Accusations of vested interests are awfully ironic coming from people who cowardly omit the origin of the conflict. They know they are hiding something important enough to completely flip public opinion, which is why not even Armenia openly recognizes Artsakh (peace be upon it).

NK Armenians were so afraid of being ethnically cleansed from the region, that they took the time to burn down the houses they squatted and spread landmines in the area before leaving.

>>15634069
truly next level border gore

>>15634075
>>15634087
Cope even more roach, I spit on your Graves and dead turk subhuman people. Iran should have killed their entire turkish population before you roaches spread your disease everywhere. Hope your turkish mother gets raped and eyes pulled apart

>>15634107
Nigga calm down you live in los angelos not Tehran

>>15634107
>''they will kill us!''
>(proof that they won't)
>AAA FUCK YOU I WANT TO KILL YOU

Armenians tried a landgrab, got too cocky instead of holding on to it and got pwn'd. Now they cry that it didn't go their way like sore losers, revealing their hatred and bloodlust.

>>15634115
Once the regime falls, I will move to Iran. Supreme leader is a turk so he too much die. The biggest enemies to us are the turks and arabs, not the jews

>>15634152
Nah you'll be stuck in america for the rest of your life

>>15634170
Wrong you incel ugly roach, once he's dead( he's in his 80s) there will be a struggle for power and then the regime will fall. Most Iranian are moving away from islam, then once it falls, every mullah, turk, baloch, arab and sunni in Iran can be executed

>>15634182
What being a diaspora does to a dude

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>>15634182
You'll do nothing

>>15634087
>It's been three years. Where is le ethnic cleansing you talk of?
It's been Azerbaijan's primary motivation ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's no coincidence that the Baku pogrom directly followed NK's declaration of independence.
>Accusations of vested interests are awfully ironic coming from people who cowardly omit the origin of the conflict.
Stalin reversing the Kavburo's decision to assign NK to the Armenian SSR so he could get in the good graces of Ataturk?

>>15634188
>>15634189
>IRGC INCEL bots
Keep coping with your shitty low iq religion and shitty corrupt regime, mullahs destroyed Iran and set us back to the 6th century. There are many individuals in need of being executed which includes the religious police, mullahs, turks, arabs, sunnis, drug dealers and IRGC officials. Only a few years under Ali dies then regime will certainly fall. Then once domestic issues are solved, we can expand and annex our lost territory such as Azerbaijan, Armenia, parts of Iraq and Afghanistan. Very simple process but Iranians are too lazy to do all of them

>>15634223
Kek

>>15634075
>Keep coping turk roach, your never getting back your land and iran will literally destory you subhumans
>Cope even more roach
yeah this the other guy lmao. you'd see it if IDs were here.
I personally do not wish for bloodshed, more like expelling all roaches to today's turkmenistan when they belong. ngh, but a man can dream.

>>15633968
So? There is no fair distribution of resources among countries. Armenia could have just as well become a booming economy by being a tax haven for many international investors and used this to build up their country. Like Ireland for example. But they didn’t. They easily could have.

>>15634222
>It's been Azerbaijan's primary motivation ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union
Your position is intentionally dishonest so I won't hold back.
Firstly: Azerbaijan was not preoccupied with plans of genocide but had other things in mind like building infrastructure and international relationships, which they succeeded at in contrast to Armenia and NK. Meanwhile all Azerbaijani calls for cooperation and negotiations were ignored by Armenia. Perhaps they thought they could hold on to their position.

Disingenuous: the fact 800 000 Azerbaijanis were kicked out of their home and you focus on a progrom in Baku that happened AFTER the bloodshed carried out by Armenian militants (with support from Armenia).
The pogrom was inflicted by Azerbaijani citizens on Armenian citizens of Azerbaijan, whereas the NK ethnic cleansing campaign had military, political and logistic support by Armenia.
Herein lies the difference in decorum between the two nations: state-supported violence against citizens VS citizen on citizen.
Azerbaijan, weak as it was, was bullied by Armenians from the country proper and from within (NK militants). Once it attained a geopolitical significance it made very clear demands which Armenia refused to accept or negotiate over with the end result being an unconditional surrender by the NK militants who bit off much more than they could chew.

30 years later you have people online claiming Armenia dindu nuffin and Azerbaijan wants to genocide them.
Once again I will ask you: it's been three years so where is le genocide? Will you also wait three years to answer?

>>15634266
> so where is le genocide?
it happens right now don't drink cool aid

>>15634279
Proof?
Faggot

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>>15634266
>The pogrom was inflicted by Azerbaijani citizens on Armenian citizens of Azerbaijan, whereas the NK ethnic cleansing campaign had military, political and logistic support by Armenia.
The "NK ethnic cleansing campaign" was them declaring independence from Azerbaijan. This was immediately followed by Sumagit and Kirovabad, and later Baku. From an outsider's perspective, it's very clear that these were a reaction to. The fact that these pogroms organically occurred without state support like you said makes it even worse. Azerbaijani people decided it would be in their best interests to violently remove Armenians from their territory. State-sponsored or not, you would need to have an extremely blinkered view of history to see that as anything other than ethnic cleansing.
>Herein lies the difference in decorum between the two nations: state-supported violence against citizens VS citizen on citizen.
What would you consider the Ramil Safarov case to be?

>>15631443
Turks + Slavs link up and make the world miserable. Need it or keep it?

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>>15634306
>''Artsakh'' as is the nomer used by separatist militants and not the official title of Nagorno Karabakh
No bias here.
I'm not afraid to call it out, even if it means questioning the honesty of a supposed international watchdog.

>''Azerbaijan has invaded the rightful territory of the unrecognized Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh or Artsakh and is attempting to erase Armenian presence in the occupied territories.'' - Genocidewatch.com 2022 [1]
Disingenuous biased reporting. Rightful territory by what metric? It is rightful Azerbaijani territory recognized by the UN. Even Armenia recognizes the entire NK region as rightfully Azerbaijani and other rogue states support its ''rightful claim'' of indepedence. If claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing are made, you don't get to do such lousy reporting.

The 2022 report [2] made on the issue is one page long reads like it's written by an ESL intern. You can read it below. Actually opening the quoted articles reveals the reading comprehension of the author ''Reuters was unable to immediately verify battlefield accounts from either side.'' [3]

>The war in Ukraine and Azerbaijan’s critical supply of natural gas to Europe has paralyzed NATO involvement.
Who does the author think NATO is? Neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia are NATO member states.

[1]https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/nagorno-karabakh%2Fartsakh
[2]https://www.genocidewatch.com/_files/ugd/09ea84_6a066cb5309c4bb682e4ba443f341b91.pdf
[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/armenian-russian-defence-ministers-discuss-nagorno-karabakh-after-flare-up-2022-09-13/

And finally, the author of the article.
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-alert-azerbaijan-attacks-artsakh
>Ani Tonoyan
A question to you: are you okay with people using a genocide watchdog as a propaganda outlet? You're a hypocrite if you say no.

armenipigs..... we lost again

>>15634365
My post: ''... state-supported violence against citizens VS citizen on citizen.''
Your post: ''What would you consider the Ramil Safarov case to be?''
>Ramil Sahib oghlu Safarov (born August 25, 1977) is an officer of the Azerbaijani Army
>who was convicted of the 2004 murder of Armenian Army Lieutenant Gurgen Margaryan

I, as any other sane person, would consider it to hypocrisy to conflate this event with murdering innocent civilians. If you do want to enter this territory though: Monte Melkonyan killed multiple citizens >>15631791 (You) was involved in international conflicts >>15631481 (You) and is a resistance hero in Armenia.

Imagine trying to justify a bombing in Europe with innocent casualties, and in France of all countries.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00965R000100110062-4.pdf

>>15634430
>Monte Melkonyan killed multiple citizens >>15631791 (You) (You) was involved in international conflicts >>15631481 (You) (You) and is a resistance hero in Armenia.
I'll add the most obvious one so there's no room for interpretation: he was an international terrorist and is being praised by Armenians.

>>15634430
As long it's t*rks that died( may Allah piss on their graves) then who cares roach, no one in the west or east has sympathy for turks.

Turks are foreigners who should be kicked out of the region

>>15631721
How are Talysh or Ossetians foreigners to the region? Are we going back 5000 years or more? Indo-Europeans are natives of the region

>>15634461
>Are we going back 5000 years or more?
Glad you noticed the lunacy in >>15631628 's argumentation.
You can ask the rabid ethnonationalists how many years people should have lived there before deserve the Ahnenpaß. I'm sure the answer will be nothing short of convenient for their own insane goals.

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>>15634365
And what about this heroic brave man?

>the armenian president welcomed the bomber of the 1983 Orly Airport attack (that killed 8 civilians including one child, 55 wounded) as a hero
>The bomb exploded inside a suitcase at the Turkish Airlines check-in desk in the airport's south terminal, sending flames through the crowd of passengers checking in for a flight to Istanbul. The bomb consisted of a half kilogram of Semtex plastic explosives connected to three portable gas bottles (which caused the extensive burns on the victims).
>Three people were killed immediately in the blast and another five died in hospital. Four of the victims were French, two were Turkish, one was Greek-American, and one was Swedish. The death toll made the Orly bombing the bloodiest attack in France since the end of the Algerian War in 1962. The dead included one child. The dual national was identified as Anthony Peter Schultze, who was studying in Paris and came to the airport to see off his Turkish fiancée
>In 2001, after 17 years in jail, Garabedian was released on condition he was deported to Armenia. He was greeted by Prime Minister of Armenia Andranik Margaryan, who expressed happiness at Garabedian's release.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Orly_Airport_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varoujan_Garabedian#Pardon_and_deportation

Got real quiet in here as soon as actual sources were posted

so between armenia "winning" the first karabakh war in 1991, what the fuck did they do for the next 30 years that got them completely butt fucked twice by Azeris in 3(?) years?

>>15634574
Hubris. They rejected Azerbaijan's continuous attempts at negotiations and reaped what they sowed. Also, the entire region that was under Armenian control is a dilapidated favela. For 30 years, they did absolutely nothing to improve material conditions there and as soon as Azerbaijan was about to retake the territory, the Armenian squatters planted mines in civilian areas and burnt down ''their'' houses.

Want a recent example of how terrible Armenia was at diplomacy? Not less than two weeks ago, they held a military drill WITH NATO TROOPS. They also support Ukraine. Terrible geopolitical moves given the current environment.

>The drills are being held at the Zar and Armavir Training Areas near Yerevan and will end on September 20.
IMAGINE INVITING NATO FOR MILITARY DRILLS NEXT TO THE BORDER WITH RUSSIA.
https://www.rferl.org/a/armenia-military-exercises-us-russian-opposition/32587572.html

>>15634618
these ayymenian niggas should get some real politicians lol

>>15634430
>>15634533
The difference here is "state-sponsored." ASALA existed while an independent Armenia didn't. Melkonian died in the first NK war. Garabedian was pardoned by French courts after serving 17 years, and wasn't committing any terrorist acts by the time he returned to Armenia. Safarov participated in NATO-sponsored courses in Hungary alongside Armenian officers. In his own words, killing all Armenians was his calling, so he did just that. He was extradited from Hungary to Azerbaijan with the expectation he'd continue serving his life sentence there. Instead, he was pardoned and became a national hero for axe murdering an Armenian in a neutral country.

While on the topic of Armenian terrorism, José Antonio Gurriarán survived a Turkish consulate bombing by ASALA. Not being Armenian or Turkish, it'd be easy to assume he'd have enmity towards Armenians because of this. Instead, he'd go on to fully support their cause against Turkey. It's the same reason why Soghomon Tehlirian would be acquitted for committing an act of terrorism on German soil against a Turkish war Criminal. Or why The Forty Days of Musa Dagh resonated so strongly with Jews during WWII. Whether it's at the hands of Turks or Azeris, impartial observers understand that the Armenians have always been the victims of ethnic cleansing in these situations. No matter how many drone or gas shipments Azerbaijan makes today, that historical fact won't ever go away.

>>15634807
>Garabedian was pardoned by French courts after serving 17 years, and wasn't committing any terrorist acts by the time he returned to Armenia.
...but he was granted a hero's welcome in Armenia, a point I already mentioned earlier in response to your post about Safarov. You don't get to change the specifics just because I brought up a counterexample. Bad tell.
You don't think official government outlets >>15634501 praising war criminals and terrorists is relevant to the discussion?

>While on the topic of Armenian terrorism, José Antonio Gurriarán survived a Turkish consulate bombing by ASALA. Not being Armenian or Turkish, it'd be easy to assume he'd have enmity towards Armenians because of this. Instead, he'd go on to fully support their cause against Turkey.
I wonder how much more supportive he would have been if his daughter were shot in the head, or his family killed in an airport bombing. A moot point anyways, since how journalists feel about it doesn't give it more legitimacy.

>Three people were killed immediately in the blast and another five died in hospital. Four of the victims were French, two were Turkish, one was Greek-American, and one was Swedish. The death toll made the Orly bombing the bloodiest attack in France since the end of the Algerian War in 1962. The dead included one child. The dual national was identified as Anthony Peter Schultze, who was studying in Paris and came to the airport to see off his Turkish fiancée. She was out of the check-in area when the bomb exploded, and was uninjured.

>>15634807
>terrorism is justified in some cases
Wait, you are actually insane.

>>15634618
>improve material conditions there
you omitted the fact azeris have oil and armenia doesn't have shit

>>15634890
not the same guy, but you some like retard who keeps crying about muh PKK terrorist, while it's the t*rks being the baddies

>>15634895
>CTRL+F ''PKK''
>one result (not my post)

>>15634891
Now that you got your gotcha moment, care to elaborate on why that's relevant?

>>15634807
>impartial observers understand that the Armenians have always been the victims of ethnic cleansing in these situations
Name the impartial observers. Otherwise: empty words.
You show no compassion to the hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis kicked out of their lands, I show no compassion to weak arguments like yours.

>It's the same reason why Soghomon Tehlirian would be acquitted for committing an act of terrorism on German soil against a Turkish war Criminal
>three people were killed immediately in the blast and another five died in hospital. Four of the victims were French, two were Turkish, one was Greek-American, and one was Swedish
These people are war criminals now? Kek, so disingenous.

>>15632870
Man I wish Kurds and Persians kept together and won at Chaldiran and deported every single turk back to mongolia and conquered Anatolia and cleaned it up the mongols that invaded it and created a new Achaemenid like empire..sad

We needed another Shapur II or Bahram Chobin that would've ended them for good

>>15634807
>The difference here is "state-sponsored."
>Melkonian died in the first NK war
Monte Melkonian's atrocities were supported by the Armenian state. He and his militia were receiving aid from Armenia itself during the conflict.

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>>15634882
There is a difference between a Twitter post praising a guy who's been dead for 30 years, welcoming a guy who was imprisoned in a foreign country for 17, and pardoning a guy who was supposed to be serving a life sentence for premediated murder.

>>15634890
>Axe murder is justified in some cases

>>15634953
>Name the impartial observers. Otherwise: empty words.
See pic related. You're in the minority.

>>15634907
>Now that you got your gotcha moment, care to elaborate on why that's relevant?
Not that anon, but it's the reason why everyone's turned a blind eye to Azerbaijan's ethnic cleansing for the past decade. Speaks to their guilty conscience that they can't just be happy in their extremely favorable geopolitical position and spend their entire time online doing their own version of Hasbara.

>>15634907
>one result (not my post)
and your point...?
>care to elaborate,
sure, armenia couldn't improve conditions there much because it's fucking poor (no sea access, no minerals, etc). I will not defend their foreign-relations autism though, especially towards Georgia, their only non-muzzie neighbour.

>>15632051
What have the ossetians contributed to philosophy? Please enlighten us

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>>15635047
>There is a difference between a Twitter post praising a terrorist, welcoming a terrorist, and pardoning a guy who was supposed to be serving a life sentence for premediated murder.
The difference is that there's only one side foaming at the mouth for ethnic cleansing while projecting an air of moral superiority and victimhood. We've already seen what Armenians did when they held the power: 800 000 ethnically cleansed from their homelands in order to make room for squatters that had no right to be there. Now that Azerbaijan is strong you cry, because your desires to bully them around like you used to can't find room in reality anymore.

>Axe murder is justified in some cases
This false-equivalency is the typical response. There's nothing just about blowing up civilians in airports or shooting teenagers and diplomats, nor is ethnic cleansing a good way to gain allies.

>See pic related. You're in the minority.
Your quote: whether it's at the hands of Turks or Azeris, impartial observers understand that the Armenians have always been the victims of ethnic cleansing in these situations
You trying to shoehorn in Azerbaijanis with Turks in relation to ethnic cleansing does nothing but damage your reputation in this discussion. It's a non-point Artsakh terrorists desperately tried to keep alive in order to win pity points, but fail miserably at. This slots in perfectly with the post I made about using a genocide watchdog for propaganda goals >>15634390.
I recommend you stop abrasing the meaning of the word genocide and accept that Azerbaijan taking back NK and surrounding regions is compliant with international law.


>It is recognized only by three other non-UN member states, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. The rest of the international community recognizes Artsakh as part of Azerbaijan.
See picrel, you're in the minority.
PWN'd.

>>15635072
>and your point...?
What was your point?

>sure, armenia couldn't improve conditions there much because it's fucking poor (no sea access, no minerals, etc). I will not defend their foreign-relations autism though, especially towards Georgia, their only non-muzzie neighbour.
I will contest your case and bring up Israel, a country with no national resources. Early Zionist leaders knew very well the importance of being self-reliant, with hostile neighbours literally everywhere around them but the sea. In 1950 Israel's GDP was about 20% of the combined GDP of Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Twenty years later almost 65%, and since the late 1980s it to this day exceeds the combined GDP of these countries.

In the case of Transcaucasia in 1991 Armenia's GDP was almost 9% of the combined GDP of Turkey and Azerbaijan, while now it reaches barely 2%. The population of Armenia is 3% of its hostile neighbours, the population of Israel is 7%.
Azerbaijan developed an economy to fuel its war efforts while Armenia rested on its laurels, in pure hubris and incompetence, and paid the price for it.

>>15635162
>What was your point?
that in some cases terrorism can be indeed considered justified.
>israel
BRUH, Israel has sea access (HUGE economic advantage) and was a new state supported (secretly) by jews around the world. Czechoslovakia violated UN embargo and supplied it with weapons to defend itself in 1948. Also, another reason for its victories was tribalistic behaviour of arab armies, complicating their combined offensives (different familes commanding different branches of army and competing with other, instead of their real enemy). I will not even start with massive US support after 1960.

Don't you just hate diasporafags

>>15635453
There's an estimated 5 to 11 million diaspora Armenians, with active lobbying in the US and France. They failed to secure allies in neighbours like Georgia and antagonized them instead with land claims, which is the price to pay when you follow Blud un Boden politics.
That Israel's formation was a secret is untrue, Zionism was already an established ideology decades before the advent of the 20th century. Read Herzl's ''Der Judenstat''. Israel's statehood as a project wasn't concealed from anyone and the British curbed Jewish migration to the British Mandate of Palestine for this reason.


>I will not even start with massive US support after 1960.
They won their two most impressive victories without them. That Arabs back then were as hubristic and incompetent as Armenians today is not Azerbaijan's problem.

>>15635479
Yes. Cowardly and unwilling to fight for what they claim to believe in.

>>15635453
>that in some cases terrorism can be indeed considered justified.
Then don't be vague and explain in which cases.

>>15635110
They contributed to the realm of sciences, they are the reason why iron metallurgy reached the Celts and spread to Europe. If you weren't an azeri roach, you wouldn't feel the need to ask this since it's open knowledge, but it's obvious you're here to seethe about PKK for 48 hours straight and nothing more.

>>15631443
Armenians stronkposted too hard. Didn't invest in their army enough. Didn't budge when diplomacy was still on the table. Chose a garbage ally. It's over.

>>15635553
>failed to secure allies
and that it why I wrote about their foreign policy autism. But armenian diaspora isn't nearly as powerful as jewish though.
>formation was a secret
lol I never said that, learn to read. Israel was embargo'd to near-death after its
proclamation, so no official supplying from abroad. Jews proudly claim czechoslovak support/supply was essential for its survival in 1948. Also, both west and ussr competed for its support, stalin was so delusional he hoped a nation of merchants would actually practise russian style socialism.
>They won their two most impressive victories without them
you are the one who started bringing statistics after 1980s, completely irrelevant.
>Cowardly and unwilling to fight for what they claim to believe in.
das rite boi. I hate diasporafags too.

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This war makes me remember all the cringey countryball art portraying Armenia as "le stronk kebab remover warrior nation" from 10+ years ago. And the Armenians on various forums who swore their mountains made them invincible and that they could never be conquered. Kind of funny to think about now.

>>15635918
>new state supported (secretly) by jews around the world
Still untrue that it was a secret. Unless you mean the espionage in order to secure a better position in the region, which is a tautology since espionage is always clandestine.
>>15635918
And also statistics prior to 1980. Either the meal I just finished was too large or this is the most bizarre argument I've read in this thead lol.

Their ''foreign policy autism'' is what got them into this situation. Failure to secure allies means no benefitting from economic privileges like transport routes and investors. They shit the bed so hard. I mean who the fuck invites NATO for military drills right next to Russia then asks them for help a week later. The hubris.

Also telling that there's no (you)'s to posts like >>15634390
I've lost all sympathy for Armenians but will speak out for them if their 1000th time crying genocide actually turns out to be true this time. It's just that they've exhausted the trust and goodwill of the people that could have helped them. In 2020 they were so convinced they'd win they started gloating about how they would drink tea in Baku and throw the ''roaches'' in the sea. Well, tough luck.

>>15635952
You're a dumb nigger and a faggot. All of occupied Armenia will be reconquered, and Baku will be captured by Russian + Iranian + Armenian troops. The Caucasus will be a revitalized defensive line against the Pan-Turkic horde.
Armenia will create nuclear weapons within the next decade.

>>15636025
This.
So. Much. This.

>>15636025
azerbaijan is a russian ally you geopolitically illiterate retard

>>15636025
And then everyone will clap while saying "congratulations" before the credits roll.

>>15636060
They really aren't. Which makes it all the more hilarious that Russia screwed Armenia over in favor of them.

>>15634953
>You show no compassion to the hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis kicked out of their lands
It's not their land, it's Armenian land, you turknigger roach.

>>15636105
>it's Armenian land
And before it was Armenian it was Urartian/Caucasian Albanian land. Maybe someday it will belong to yet another ethnicity.

>>15636119
Forever a poor independent shithole.

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Here, I fixed the borders. No more retarded enclave/exclave bullshit. Any Armenian/Azeri on the wrong side of the border is immediately deported. No more war.

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>>15636163
Considering the current balance of power this is a more realistic outcome. The rest can join the diaspora, the Kardashians have some room at their house.

>>15636085
You haven't been monitoring the situation closely enough.
Since the breakup of the USSR Russia has been trying to play Armenia and Azerbaijan off against each other to keep them both subservient. This went well for a long period but recently Armenia have started dialogue with NATO and the EU, Russia has been increasingly dissatisfied with this to the point that now it looks like they've abandoned the strategy of playing them off against each other and are now fully in favor of Azerbaijan. I expect Armenia to formally leave CSTO and then a Russian backed coup attempt to take place soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikol_Pashinyan#Relations_with_Russia

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>>15636119

Are all these cringe posts Turks larping as Armenians to make them look bad or are Armenians really this insufferable?

>>15636345
Iran touching Azerbaijan means Iran getting touched by Turkey. I don't doubt that Iranians have more balls than Russians but I don't think they're willing to risk a broader war given how precarious their geopolitical and economic position is.

>>15636310
All i see is roach chirping text walls. cant make out the "armenian" posts here.

why doesn't a better and more important nation just force new borders and force them to accept them?

>>15636354
Turkey won't attack Iran, NATO members cant go on imperative conflicts unlike Rouge authoritarian states like Iran or Russia. Azerbaijani will chew more than they can bite and get firmly crushed by the Iranians. If the turks get involved, funding some Kurdish rebellions should send a clear message

>>15636354
Iran has made it's position clear, you would be better off asking if Turkey is really willing to risk a broader war, since attacking Syunik can't happen without their go ahead..
Anyway this isn't 1985 or 2004, Iran is in the strongest position they have been in since the Seljuks.

>>15636758
>NATO members cant go on imperative conflicts unlike Rouge authoritarian states
every african and middle eastern country:

>>15636765
b-but i was told the entire nation was overthrowing the leadership over womens rights... two more weeks...

>>15636767
USA is a pole superpower"might makes right", so they get to do what they want mostly. Turkey is a unhinged semi authoritation islamist, pan-turkic state whose neighbors entirely hate them and have really few true allies, besides shitholes like North Cyprus, Bosnia( rape babies lmfao), Azerbaijanis( turkfied persian) and some meme central Asian states. They don't get that same ability to wage war, especially with Iran who can just start funding Kurdish rebellions

>>15636769
Coping sunni roach, once the Supreme leader dies, the regime will collapse surely. A good purge should also commensurate the enemies such as arabs, turks, religious mullahs, baji member, any separatist leaders, IRGC members and most politicians. Soon Iran will be a empire and take back its former territories

>>15636778
1. turkey already did this shit, it's why north cyprus exists
2. 10% of iran is persian

>>15636778
>>15636873
that was supposed to be kurdish, lmao

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>>15633790
>Every turk women and kid will be bashed against rocks and executed God willing
That's the spirit

>>15636873
Turkey is just lucky they control geographic wise a key area so they get a little more leeway compared to Serbia or saddams Iraq, but their geopolitical stance is complete garbage and no one likes them. Also for more information you subhuman roach, iran is 65% persian, 12% turkfied persians and 10% kurds, with the remaining being other minor groups, who all DO NOT want separatism

>>15636909
Turkey's been the middle east's buttplug for thousands and thousands of years

>>15636025
Good clownpost.

>>15631443
Russian Empire created Armenia after agreement with Safavid Iran

>>15631481
I hate Russians so fucking much

>>15636909
>who all DO NOT want separatism
Not after Altay tanks and Bayraktars arrives to aid oppressed turkic population

>>15637190
You can always travel to Armenia and help them.

>>15637197
No ill just donate money to cossack hillbillies so they can kill more R*ssians.

>>15637201
Good idea.
Russia should be destroyed with it's pets like Armenia and Georgia

>>15636765
>Iran is in the strongest position they have been in since the Seljuks.
>Iranian weapon
>Flying bomb
>Turkish weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUn_DjRBCQ

>>15637280
>but Iran probably has more advanced missiles
Considering Iranian missiles programm is practically "whatever tech Russia could spare without irritating Bibi" the gap isn't that big, especially consideing how weak Russo-Iranian intel satellite group

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this is one of the best threads on /his/ in the last decade

>>15637964
Coal

>>15637964
Thanks. I tried bringing some effortposting in the thread so that it wouldn't get saged and spammed by trolls.

>>15637193
You wish turkroach, don't forget both aziers and Armenians both were under Iranian control for hundreds of years, more like they belong to us.

>>15635047
isn't there something you forgot? >>15635137

>>15635630
>lmao osshitian claiming to be relevant
>cant even back properly back up his claim

>>15639219
>>cant even back properly back up his claim
It takes a special kind of 'tism to stammer while typing. Quit butting into this thread, gogi nigger.

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Lol when even your own PM calls out your bullshit

>>15631486
>Sykes-Picault

Nobody in this thread lives in the mentioned countries

https://youtu.be/EbjtSrRo2uk?si=Pye3WdKxqseiI34K

why do lgbts ruin everything?

>>15639320
both of these are true but with asterisks
1. the azerbaijanis haven't YET started ethnic cleansing but with a disarmed problematic minority and a totalitarian regime it's pretty obvious something is going to happen
2. the area has been essentially blockaded by azerbaijan since they got the territories between armenia and karabakh in 2020, armenia doesn't have to block anything, they are already blocked

>>15639350
Wrong thread sorry, I thought this tab was /classical/ on /mu/ lmao

>>15639358
1. Accusations of genocide are hollowed out by repeating them en-masse. Azerbaijan would lose international recognition by mistreating the Karabakh Armenians and stands nothing to gain from it. If they wanted to cleanse them from the area, why are they offering citizenship to all the people living there?

2. Your point?

You have a sanity problem when your own PM denounces you. It's insane.

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>>15631443
Gigachad is Azerbaijani, therefore Azerbaijan is justified to do everything they want. Armenians are bitching losers.

>>15631628
Azeris are just cultural turkfied talyashish. They have been in the caucasus since the median empire.

>>15631443
I'm a long time poster on AserbaidsChan

>>15639358
Nakhchievan has always been under armenian blockade, altough they should have opened the Zengezur corridor according to the treaty. Why no western media speaks about this?

>>15634223
>Very simple process but Iranians are too lazy to do all of them
>"Hassan, it's time to conquer Afghanistan"
>"Fuck off Mohammed, I'm busy with Elden Ring, I'll do it tomorrow"

>>15636310
There are very few Armenians on here. I occasionally try asking them a question in Armenian and they immediately leave the thread.

>cringe posts Turks larping as Armenians to make them look bad
Most of them yes. There was one LARPing as a Georgian a week ago.

>>15640330
Larping as the other side to falseflag is lowly and for those who do not believe in their own arguments. Azerbaijan’s claims to the region are sufficiently strong, so I can just lay out the reasons why instead.

>>15640255
>Why no western media speaks about this?
Two words
Russia and France

>>15631486
>Why would Lenin do such epic trolling?
The same shit england and france did in middle east and north africa and same shit england did in india (kashmir)
You can see this all over the world

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>>15640642
>Azerbaijan’s claims to the region are sufficiently strong, so I can just lay out the reasons why instead.
What are your thoughts on the USSR secession laws? Did Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast have the right to call a referendum after Azerbaijan seceded from the USSR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Autonomous_Oblast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Nagorno-Karabakh_independence_referendum

>The "Treaty of the Union of Sovereign States” failed to be ratified because the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt accelerated declarations of independence by Soviet Socialist Republics between August and December.[13] Azerbaijan adopted its declaration of independence on 30 August 1991.

>>15639320
Pashinyan is Azeri plant and puppet

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If someone wants a history of this conflict, I would start with this three part documentary. It was prepared by both Azerbaijan and Armenian journalists and it has interviews with the political leaders of both sides. It's as unbiased of a source as you're going to get on this conflict.

https://vimeo.com/637030036
https://vimeo.com/641085637
https://vimeo.com/643568551

There's a shorter summary film that's only 1hr15mins long.

>>15640642
>Larping as the other side to falseflag is lowly and for those who do not believe in their
Azeris also LARP as native Americans kek. Azerbaijan has a government funded Internet Defense Force.
>own arguments.
At this point arguments don't matter. It's part of Azerbaijan. It's time for Armenians to fortify their country.

>>15639513
The Azerbaijani government has nothing to gain from it, true, but that wont stop Azeri soldiers from committing spontaneous acts of violence anyway without government support

>>15631481
>The Soviets handed control of an Armenian-populated region over to Azerbaijan so that if the USSR ever dissolved, there'd be a shitshow.
This is a retard narrative usually spewed by redditors. It was because Azerbaijan (newly independent following russian collapse) demanded that region be theirs as a condition to becoming an SSR under soviet rule. The red army was too weak to keep fighting wars to subjugate these small fledging states so they made these concessions. Armenia was already under their control so they had no say in the matter.
There are records and documents showing Azeri demands at the time, no need to make up stupid shit.

>>15642696
>What are your thoughts on the USSR secession laws? Did Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast have the right to call a referendum after Azerbaijan seceded from the USSR?
You seem to already know the answer to that, so instead of letting me respond and then saying I am wrong, save us time and produce your case. Giving Soviet legislature legitimacy is quite an interesting turn to me, because Stalin was the one to keep NK as Azerbaijani, instead of handing it to Armenia.

Only a fool would now deny that ''Artsakh'' is illegitimate, rebuked by the UN and not even recognized by Armenia itself. I've already posted resolutions which are conveniently ignored in newer posts, turning this thread into a game of Whac-a-mole.

>At this point arguments don't matter
This is a history and humanities board senpai. You discover the truth through arguments. No hard feelings.

>>15643126
That does not qualify as a genocide and again: the claims of Azerbaijani soldiers committing violence towards civilians (in NK) come from Armenian propaganda outlets. Stop calling everything a genocide, especially when YOU start them, you are becoming the laughing stock of the world.

>>15642939
>>Larping as the other side to falseflag is lowly and for those who do not believe in their arguments
>Azeris also LARP as native Americans kek. Azerbaijan has a government funded Internet Defense Force.
>>own arguments.

I never mentioned either side in that line of text, but you felt compelled to bring up Azerbaijanis nonetheless. Bad tell.

>>15643268
Show them then so I can learn.

>>15643268
>This is a retard narrative usually spewed by redditors
You think so, but it explains perfectly Russia's behaviour in the Caucasus region. Keep it unstable and ''peacekeep'' as they want. I just don't think you understand geopolitics.

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>>15635047
Why do you people keep mixing up Azerbaijan for Turkish actions? Just because they love each other and speak Turkic? How does the Armenian genocide recognition bu the Turks justify capturing Azerbaijani territory? Don't you sense a legal WTF from this? The Armenians made the biggest mistake when they refused to distinguish between the two nations.

Also, you did not respond to the calling you out in >>15639146


IE: you are a faggot

>>15644143
>Why do you people keep mixing up Azerbaijan for Turkish actions?
Because Turkey is NATO member.
But I guess armenia will add Hungary into blame-list

>>15643126
>but that wont stop Azeri soldiers from committing spontaneous acts of violence anyway without government support
So basically what armenian soldiers did in 90s with 700k azeris locals?

>>15645279
That was pretty explicitly a higher up order, Armenian forces intentionally practiced a campaign of ethnically cleansing Azeris from the region

>>15643434
>That does not qualify as a genocide and again: the claims of Azerbaijani soldiers committing violence towards civilians (in NK) come from Armenian propaganda outlets. Stop calling everything a genocide, especially when YOU start them, you are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
No, its not genocide, but it still is ethnic cleansing, countless acts of ethnic cleansing throughout the world have occurred without or even against government sanction.
Also Azerbaijani soldiers have committed countless acts of violence against civilians, many of them are on video. There was that video of soldiers executing an Armenian old man, and there's a new one of an Azerbaijani soldier shooting into a civilian house.

>>15645279
Whataboutism, moral fallacy
Someone else doing something bad doesn't justify you doing it back

>>15646095
Aliyev offers them citizenship. Why are you lying about muh ethnic cleansing? Fuck your lot, all you do is lie about genocide and ethnic cleansing and then double down when called out.