Paul said they don't need to. Christianity wouldn't win otherwise. No one normal wants to cut the tip of his dick.

circumcision being non mandatory was the only thing that allowed the religion to spread in Europe.

>>15629837
Surely Christians should respect God's word in the Old Testemant more than Paul. That sounds more like a political decision.

>>15629843
That's because it is. Jesus was a Jew and wouldn't stand for the rejection of Judaism.

Christians have an inward circumcision of the heart. We no longer require an external sign of circumcision, because we have the full reality of salvation in Christ.

>28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Romans 2:28-29

Because the law was now fulfilled with Christ, Christians no longer follow the external practices of the law, like circumcision, dietary restrictions, or the sacrificial system. We now have the Spirit within us. The law is now written in our hearts.

>And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Ezekiel 11:19
>For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33

Because Christ is our only salvation, we cannot rely on any external practices. That is why Paul said that people who relied on circumcision for their salvation would nullify the gospel, because they would be relying on something other than Christ.
>Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Galatians 5:2

> 18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. 19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.
1 Corinthians 7:18-19

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This passage is very useful:

>31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31

The day is coming when there will be a new covenant. This will be unlike the old covenant that was with Abraham and Moses, where they were circumcised etc. The new covenant will be with Christians, and the law will be put into their hearts. They will no longer require the external circumcision of the body, because they will have an internal circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:29).

>>15629859
>>15629873
>Because the law was now fulfilled with Christ, Christians no longer follow the external practices of the law, like circumcision, dietary restrictions, or the sacrificial system. We now have the Spirit within us. The law is now written in our hearts.
Doesn't that mean no Biblical law applies to Christians? You can fornicate or have homosexual relations without any condemnation from God.

Thanks for the verses anon, will look into them some more.

>>15629835
don't need to...we aren't under Torah. We circumcise our hearts. It's common medical procedure now.

>>15629882
>Doesn't that mean no Biblical law applies to Christians?
No. We have the law written on our hearts. That's why there's a distinction made between moral law and ceremonial law. The moral law regards fornication, murder, envy etc. The ceremonial law is the law that was followed by the Israelites during the old covenant (along with the moral).

That's why Christians can read through Leviticus and Deuteronomy and understand that every law there is still relevant today. Some of those laws were symbols of Christ's fulfilment of the law, like the sacrificial system for sins. Some of those laws were to show that the Israelites were a separated people, like circumcision, clothing, diet – Christians are still a separated, pure people today – but this is because of an inward change of heart, and not simply because we follow the ceremonial law.

>9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-20

When we are saved by our faith in Christ, we are saved from our enslavement to sin. That's why we are "washed", "sanctified", "justified". We are no longer to walk in wickedness – and we won't, because Christ has saved us. We have the law in our hearts.

>>15629907
So when you become a true Christian you never sin again?

>>15629882
>Thanks for the verses anon, will look into them some more.
This is a really good and short video on the subject (from a good channel):
https://youtu.be/Dr0NZ-xVJfw

Another good video:
https://youtu.be/T4_xhY7SwlE

And here's a longer sermon:
https://youtu.be/-IVryHasZ6g

All three of the channels I posted are really, really good and you should find a lot of very useful and informative information in them if you want to learn more about Christianity in general.

>>15629907
How can you tell ceremonial law from moral law?

>>15629835
>>15629843
Ezekiel 44:9
>This is what the Lord GOD says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and FLESH may enter My sanctuary— not even a foreigner who lives among the Israelites.

>uncircumcised in heart and FLESH may enter My sanctuary
uncircumcised in heart and FLESH may enter My sanctuary

Christianity is false doctrine. God still requires circumcision. Paul is either a false apostle, or 2 peter 3:16-19 stands, which means Paul is not against circumcision (he circumcised Timothy), but rather when Paul talks about circumcision of the flesh to be saved, he is speaking towards pharasees who insist you must be circumcised in the flesh THEN SAVED, rather than receiving salvation first, and then get circumcised at a later time.

>om 2:25 For circumcision indeed profits, if you are a doer of the law, but if you are a transgressor of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

>>15629913
Christians don't become INTERNALLY perfect after being truly born again. They still will sin. But the difference is that we will immediately stop our lifestyle of sin, because we are no longer enslaved to sin.
>We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
Romans 6:6

Furthermore, we will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, which means that we will sin less and less the more time goes by.

Your response might be:
>"Ah, so Christians are still allowed to sin a little bit, and it's ok?"

The answer is no, a Christian should never be ok with any amount of sin. A Christian will strive to sin as little as possible. They will strive for perfection. If they are truly saved, then they will achieve victory over their sins. Christians earnestly seek after holiness every day, and we will be given more holiness as we continue to live.
>Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Matthew 5:6

A good illustration is that a Christian is in battle with his sins, and Christ will allow him to be victorious. If you are in battle with sins, and you are LOSING, then you don't have Christ on your side. If you are WINNING, then you are being sanctified, showing that you have Christ on your side.

When we refrain from sin, God will reward us, and we will be given the ability to do good works. But if we fall into sin, then we will be punished by God, and our usefulness will be removed. We can see this in the Old Testament many time; for example, when King David committed adultery, which resulted in his son dying and a revolution.
Regarding this, the New Testament states:
>Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work.
2 Timothy 2:21

>>15629835
literally just read the Bible starting with Acts
the answer to this question is spelled out multiple times

>>15629937
>muh Paul
Yeah Pauls words weigh more than eternal law of God
>narrow is the way, few find it
LORD LORD, PAUL TOLD ME I CAN EAT PORK AND REJECT SABBATH AND CIRCUMCISION AND FAITH ALONE WOULD SAVE
>Depart from me, you who work LAWLESSNESS (anti-nomianism)
1 john:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Law = Torah

>>15629923
We know that circumcision and dietary restriction were lifted in the New Testament, because there are verses that explicitly state that.

We also know that homosexuality, drunkenness, murder etc. are still evil, because they are explicitly stated in the New Testament.

So, how do we know that things like not wearing mixed fibres are part of the ceremonial law, and not moral? It might sound simplistic, but we know partly because of common sense; wearing mixed fabric is obviously a matter of ceremony, rather than a moral obligation. Compare this to something like lying or stealing, and there is an obvious difference. Another reason is that it is an external law that had the intention of making the Israelites a separated people, like circumcision. And another reason is that the moral laws are often repeated in the New Testament.

But what about laws like:
>You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain.
Deuteronomy 25:4

Is that still relevant? Paul says it is:
>For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned?
1 Corinthians 9:9

But Paul understands that the old law had applications beyond merely being a list of "dos and don'ts". It applied to the new covenant because it showed God's nature. In the case of muzzling the ox, it showed that we should feed an evangelist as he works with the church. Paul does this with other examples that won't fit into this post.

Here's a simple article on it:
https://www.gotquestions.org/ceremonial-law.html

>>15629943
This is an example of someone who doesn't understand what it meant for Jesus to fulfil the law, and doesn't understand what Jeremiah meant when it states that there will be a "new covenant".

This is why it's important to study the Scriptures.

this thread really showcases how similar christcucks and leftists are. everyone knows how leftists respond with confusing pilpul wordwalls to make you bored and tell you to read some retarded theories, christcucks get asked a simply question and they spam the thread with 2000 character ramblings with pasted bible verses that dont even fucking apply to the conversation. so boring.

anyway, circumcision was so important that it was mentioned in genesis, jesus said nothing about it, paul manufactured the entire religion himself to subvert the roman empire and used flimsy excuses for why you dont have to do the barbaric ot shit because he knew it wouldnt catch on.

>>15629944
>gotquestion.com
>thinks he can eat abomnible pork and reject holy sabbath
kek not gonna make it

>>15629930
What do you mean, 2 Peter 3:19? There's no 19 verse in my bible.

>>15630002
>contentius for the sake of being contenious

>>15630016
No, I thought some translations had dropped a verse fallen out of favor, it happens sometimes.

>>15629943
Paul didn't write Acts

bump

>>15631290
Any specific questions?

Hot take: Christianity would've never taken off in Europe if they kept circumcision and enforced kosher laws like abstaining from pork.

It's baffling that Christians could ever believe an entity that demanded circumcision had any hand in the creation of man. That thing is just a demon seeking worshippers and feeding on their misery, not the true God.

My sister used to go on anti-circumcision rants and all the Christians at her school flew off into a rage about it because “it’s in the Bible” lol. It’s actually scary the lengths people will go to cope by defending their mutilators

>>15631428
it certainly wouldn't have helped. the romans and greeks thought the practice was barbaric, and that's where you have to keep in mind circumcision back then was a lot less severe than its current version where almost the entire foreskin is amputated
also try to explain to a sub saharian african or egyptian that circumcision is ok except for girls where it is a crime against humanity, even drawing a symbolic drop of blood that doesn't leave any traces.
the double standard is ming boggling

>>15631482
If circumcision ever falls out of fashion it will be remembered as a bigger travesty than lobotomies, but the inertia is just too fucking strong to stop it.

>>15629835
It's no longer about the penis, but the heart. Humble yourself of pride. Either that, or God ends up doing it. And that's something that you just do not want.

>>15634099
Everything is deemed patriarchal according to feminists and modern women, because otherwise they would have to take responsibility and accountability for their actions

>>15634099
>to a Jewish and Muslim men
to Jewish and Muslim men*

>>15629843
Old Testament god is a trickster deity that was falsely worshipped. Christ was meant to deliver mankind from this demiurge.

>>15634099
muslims do it a bit later in life, it's the americans and jews where your genitals get chopped up right out of the womb

>>15629835
How the fuck could somebody look at this and stop to take a picture instead of helping liberate the poor elephant from the crocodile's jaws?

>>15629843
circumcision didn't end because paul said so, it ended because Jesus ended the old covenant. being circumcised makes no sense when your covenant with god is made through faith in Christ. it literally serves no purpose. its obsolete