>supposedly the richest person in all of history>only legacy of his reign is a shitty mud buildingWhy do people believe this?
>>15626602Because it's Africa. It's quite believable.
let's see all the buildings left by alexander the great
>>15626620Ok.
>>15626620What about all the cities he founded?
>>15626602>OP doesn't know what adobe is
>>15626634why do you lie?
>>15626616This.
>>15626640>put a name on an encampment>city develops all by itself in the following millennia>OMG LOOK IT'S ALL THANKS TO HIM!!!!lol fucking losers moving the goalpost when confronted with the niggerishness of their own past
>>15626655>Thinking that the Olympia doesn't shows Greek buildings are superior to African mud huts
>>15626620its doubtful that masu mussa was even usb saharan african, again blacks are guilty of cultural appropriation.
>>15626602That building is just a larp anyway, it has to be rebuilt every couple of years.
>>15626712>usb saharan africanNo, clearly he was a superior type of Saharan African, a parallel Saharan African.
>>15626712>we wuzzzzzz
The richest person in all of history is mostly a pop history meme, however he was still quite rich. Rich enough to be notable anyway. From what I understand, mansa used his great wealth to build up his empire. The houses in Timbuktu aren't all that different from I believe homes in Egypt. We also have to take into account two things >the original one was destroyed>this was a place of scholarly study and at its height had around 25000 students.The places was a big ass trading hub. Memes and racism aside, the Mali empire has always been comfy to me. I like the idea of trading hubs, and would like to see it represented in media. >mansa musa was not subsaharanThis is bait, but I'll bite. It's not at all 'doubtful' that he was subsaharan, no one argues this except a fringe group of conspiracy theorists. To argue this indicates you know little about the topic. It's really just backhanded reverse racism desu as I guess 'revenge' for we wuzzing.
>>15626602Did Mansa Musa exist? The only records come from Egyptian records a long time after he died since blacks didn't have written languages. He's probably a legend from folk tales that leftists uncritically accepted because they desperately want to believe blacks had kangdoms and empires.
>>15626602wow a mud hut with sticks in it so amazing.
>>15626988They may have not had a written language at the time, however there still are oral traditions that talk about him. Griots as well I believe. He's also depicted in the atlases twice, the first one black, second white.
>>15627018Made some mistakes here, they did not have their own written language however the Malians I recall adopted Arabic as their writing system which makes sense as it adopted the Islamic faith. According to Wikipedia, there were also Timbuktu scripts that mentioned him. It's likely he existed and ironically you sound just as biased as the supposed leftists you're imagining. The idea of mansa existing offends you.
>>15626602Why don't you? African cultures have accomplished just as much as western ones. France has Notre Dame and west Africa has this.
>>15626647atleast native indian shit is actually cool and flex.
>>15626620>Alexandria>The Macedonian royal tombs and palaces>all the shit left by his immediate successors like the lighthouse of Alexandria
>>15626647Surely it was covered in luxurious shit at the time
is this entire topic just a wuzzing by apologetic western historians? Haven't looked into it
>>15626602It's cool. >supposedly the richest person in all of historyBased off people summing up the assets in his rule because it all was under him. Literally no different then how we count wealth in billionaire ranking metrics. You think Bill Gates can pull all his wealth all of a sudden and buy up a country. Think more OP
>>15626602>richest mf gangsta to ever live>blows all his money on Hajj>leaves behind nothing but a mud hutNo yeah this is pretty believable Anon you just haven’t been to right parts of town I think
>>15628251Do you just only read half of everything you see?
>>15627688That was actually built by the french in the 19th century. It's crap and blacks didn't even build it.
>>15628267It's crap and blacks built it. The French let them make it to keep the local ethnic rivalries alive.Their mason guild even exiled the guy who built the stairs because the older guild members couldn't figure out how to make them.
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>>15628267>>15628315This is a reconstruction by the French which was found in ruins. However the French didn't build the original one.
>>15628407The reconstruction was built by the locals. The French put up a little money but they didn't use French architects/laborers to build it.
>>15626634Man modern architecture really looks like shit. Why can't everyone live like this?
>>15626720is kinkakuji also a larp?
>>15626662I thought this was about individual leaders? Can't you try to hold in your /pol/ a little bit?
>>15626602That wasn’t built by him it was a established years before he was born he just financed the staffing
>>15626602Just a quick reminder that Yemen has a city of skyscrapers and high-rises built from mud. So don't use the excuse of being resource poor.
>>15627823>>Alexandriapost tangible things from his era, not the vague concept of a city that has long lost its original artifacts>>The Macedonian royal tombs and palacesvague crap, what was built under his name that still remains today?>>all the shit left by his immediate successors like the lighthouse of Alexandriastill waiting for shit he did and that still remains today
>>15629634>mudblocks good
>history is when buildings
>>15626655>ancien greeks/macedonian were niggerishLmao ok
>>15628340i mean nigga brown people built this.
>>15629657Civilization is. Especially when buildings are full of “useless” and expensive additions.
>>15629649>still waiting for shit he did and that still remains today It was described as the most gigantic and beautiful building ever seen by the Arab traveler Ibn Jubayr 1400 ONE THOUSANDS AND FOUR HUNDRED YEARS after its consturction. Mansa Musa was 600 years ago and European visitors have been in Mali for 200 years and yet nothing left there>vague crap, what was built under his name that still remains today? Why under his name? We have his father's tomb, do we have any comparably magnificient tomb from mansa Musa's father, brother, sons? No. Also we do have Alexander's sarcophagus from Sidon which is one of the most beautiful sarcophagi of antiquity commissioned by a friend of his, the king of Sidon, where Alexander and his friends are depicted>post tangible things from his era Plenty of underground ruins from the 4th-3rd century bc have been discovered, you can see on Youtube a whole documentary about it I happened to see last year on tvAnyways you can still see the ruins of the palace where Alexander was born in Macedonia, pic related
>>15626620/pol/his/ BTFO!!1
>>15627814How can you compare them to niggers ?
>>15629634Just like Kowloon- or should I say- Cow Loo
>>15626647is that fucking corrugated metal sheets as the roofing...?
>>15626634>The building was commissioned in the years 110s CE by a consul of the Roman Empire, Tiberius Julius Aquila Polemaeanus, as a funerary monument for his father Tiberius Julius Celsus Polemaeanus, former proconsul of Asia,[1][2] and completed during the reign of the Roman Emperor Hadrian, sometime after Aquila's death.[3][4]Not built by Alexander.
>>15630080>is that fucking corrugated metal sheets as the roofing...?Opulent.
>>15626616>Because it's Africa.egypt and kush
>>15630104>egyptthe elite was originally white>kushmulattos civilised by white egyptians
>>15630080Yes but it's as beautiful and grandiose as the taj mahal, le château de Versailles, the sphinx, machu picchu and the Forbidden city or you're a racist bigot trump voter.
>>15629634Yemen is cool, they have some really beautifully appealing architecture in a style that is totally unique to the region.
>>15629634>>15630292Not bad. I didnt knew you could built that high with mud. I guess there's some wood structure or rocks in that.
>>15630301>I guess there's some wood structure or rocks in that.Yeah, just like in OP's pic you do need some structural help. But more important is that you continually maintain it. You have to constantly add more mud.
>>15626647Why are leftists like this ?
>>15630301You can build pretty high with mud brick. see pic rel. Ziggurats, some of the largest monumental structures in the ancient world, were built with mud brick.
>>15630328Ziqqurat are a heap, you can heap anything obviously, that gy probably referred to hollow buildings
>>15626620>>15626655Do you think Mansa literally wrote the architecture plans for his mud hut and built it himself? Some architect built it in his name, same for all other historical buildings attributed to rulers. What Alexander did personally do is build a massive siege bridge to Tyre while under city attack, which should speak for itself.
>>15630371>same for all other historical buildings attributed to rulers.>dis nigga hasn't heard of Hadrian
>>15626602>Why don't you build with stone or wood?>Stone or wood?
>>15630371>Some architect built it in his name, same for all other historical buildings attributed to rulersThe ruler plays an important role in its construction though like financing it and organizing the construction
>>15627688>the negro's concept of a monument is just an oversized mudhut
>they made buildings out of mud because there was NO other materials!>there are NO trees and NO rocks ANYWHERE in Africa you BIGOT!
>>15629692Brown people are not a single group. This retard can't even be racist correctly.
>>15627018>They may have not had a written language at the time, however there still are oral traditions that talk about him.How do you build an empire or become extraordinarily wealthy in a society that doesn't even have a written language? Sounds fake.
>>15632533Dem niggas actually had written languageThey’d write the native language in Arabic script West Africa basically had its first civilizational cycle from 800-1500 ADWhen wypipo arrived, they had become decadent and lethargic
>>15632533Ask the Inca
>>15626602>>15626647>>15627688At least they managed to leave behind historical monuments. What monuments did vikangz leave behind? Answer me. All we have are reconstructions of their shitty villages and longhouses which were basically just farm stables.>noooo you can't compare that! they used wood 'n shieet and wood rots!Not an argument. Chinese and Japanese architecture is also wooden and they have a shitton of monuments.
>>15632741pic rel and many more. The Normans were vikangz who settled in France
>>15626881>drawn by an Italian man that never went to Haiti >Mansa: recorded in Arabic during the 14th century by North African writers such as Ibn Battuta and Ibn Khaldun, who explained it as meaning "sultan">mansa exist in other Mandé languages, such as Soninke manga, Susu menge, and Bambara masa. Vydrin also compared it to mensey, the Guanche word for their rulers.Only a /pol/tard would tell you Mansa Musa wasn't a nigger JFL
>>15626602>>15632741Cozy desu
>>15632794>has to move to another country, assimilate to their superior culture, adopt their language and customs before ever creating monumental architecturemany such cases
>>15632805the Nidaros Cathedral was built by native vikangz in Norway. Just accept the fact that they were better architects 400 years before mansa musa
>>15632798The ruling elite of many African nations were white skinned
>>15632835Not in Mali most of the Berbers there are nomadic black's. Read Muḥammad ibn Journey to Mali he was a black
>>15626602How are these two facts contradictory?If you give 1000 billions to a chimp or a gorilla, what magnificent building do you think he'll build?Money doesnt increase IQ.
>>15628226Hmmm no, it was actually even more primitive>>15630080That's a modern reconstructionBehanzin had the whole village burnt when the French captured itHere's how it really looked at the time
>>15632835well that's in Spain, many "Andalusians" were just Visigoths that converted to Islam
>>15626602Honestly don't know why this is the most popular example of African architecture. Fumban (Cameroon), Hausa houses, walls of Benin etc are way cooler examples. This mosque is cool too but I feel its importance is only tied to Mansa Musa
>>15629657yeah pretty much. Also written records. Sadly Africans have neither
>>15626620Mansa Musa lived 700 years ago. Alexander lived 2300 years ago. Also Greece was already thriving civilization with many buildings before he was born.
>>15633001opulent
>>15633001>be biggest gangsta mudafuka south of Sahel>live in a shedwhat did he mean by this? surely this wasn't the full extent of negro architecture
Can someone who isn't a racist dumbfuck explain to me the huge gap in complexity of material culture between black Africans and Europeans? Like, compare anything posted above from Africa to pic related. It doesn't even come close. Why is this? Why did they never develop the ability to create incredibly complex art and architecture like this? Is it because they didn't have beasts of buden, the right building materials, or what? I don't believe 'it's cause they're dumb hehe', there has to be a more substantive reason at play here.
>>15632533Trade has never required a written language.
>>15633863It's quite literally I.Q. The animals in Africa can be domesticated as easily as the wild animals the Europeans domesticated. They had plenty of resources, Africa is very rich in that regard. The environment is stable, it's not like they only had five months to grow things before winter and four feet of snow set in. Their average IQ has remained the same for the past 100 years since the IQ tests were created, and it's simply lower than all other ethnicities save for Aussie aboriginals. They quite literally have a smaller brain size.
>>15633863They were humble folk and had no interests in such displays of vanity.
>>15633915Even when Africa was ruled by Europeans (supposedly high IQ people, lmao), white people didn't build anything impressive here. It can't be IQ. So it's a matter of climate.
>>15633921>white people didn't build anything impressive heregood troll
>>15633390>walls of Benin etc are way cooler examples
>>15633863Socioecomic factors
>>15633921Europeans turned the neolithic straw huts villages of Africa into modern cities within a few decades of occupation
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>>15633921>>15634156
>>15633917>proceeds to sell fellow blacks to white people in exchange for fancy clothing and umbrellas
>>15633863>I don't believe 'it's cause they're dumb hehe', there has to be a more substantive reason at play here.look at this guy isn't he cute?
>>15633921So your explanation is that buildings can not be built in hot temperature? This seems more substantive to you?
purely climatic factors
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>>15634278>Indian architectureThat's clearly Persian Islamic architecture. Just because it was built in India doesn't make it in Indian.
>>15633863>Can someone who isn't a speciesist dumbfuck explain to me the huge gap in complexity of material culture between cows and humans?
>>15633917Sour grapes lmao
>>15634690Exploitation, cows are literally slaughtered for meat. Imagine if humans were in their position.
>>15634138those are ruins
>>15633863If you unironically want my personal opinion based in my own limited knowledge, some parts of northern Europe were really not that much better if not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with vicinity to other civilizations and trade. The Greeks were meds that influenced the Roman's. They're also somewhat closer to the Arab world aswell and were involved in many major trade routes. It's only through this influence that it spread through Europe. The horn is a lot closer to the Arab world and historically had some of the more advanced civilizations in Africa. It may also come down to necessity. You don't NEED a big ass cathedral and it would take a wild amount of effort to build for your needs, so why do it? Let's not forget Tse Tse flies that killed off some potential domestically animals. It's important I emphasize the Tse Tse flies thing really mostly applies to a certain part of Africa, and we can see other parts that were not hampered by this were actually more advanced in comparison. Geography is a really broad argument and we'd really have to get into the nitty gritty of each part of Africa but that's what I personally conclude from my own research. Tldr I think it has to do with trade, isolation, and vicinity to other civilizations. Also just what is and isn't necessary. Many structures today are either obscure/hard to find online or destroyed.
>>15635083>I think a lot of it has to do with vicinity to other civilizations and tradeBut why did those areas like Greece become centers of civilization as opposed to somewhere in Africa? Why wasn't it possible for West Africa to develop a highly advanced civilization that influenced their neighbors like the Greeks did>You don't NEED a big ass cathedral and it would take a wild amount of effort to build for your needs, so why do it? Their construction is paid for and organized by rulers as a show of their power and wealth
>>15626643Using this for cheap housing is fine, but we are talking about an empire's greatest architectural achievement. It's hard to believe that THE RICHEST MAN IN HISTORY couldn't organize a single remarkable building with any staying power to be built. Either he wasn't that rich or Africans really are subhuman.
>>15633863>Can someone who isn't a Copernican dumbfuck explain to me the huge retrograde motion of the planets? >Like, look at the motion of Mars in pic related. Why is this? I don't believe 'it's cause the Earth's not at the center hehe', there has to be a more substantive reason at play here.Plug your ears and close your mind all you like, the truth is still there.
>>15634868Those are the remaining parts of the wall.It always looked like that, simply it spawned on several hundreds kilometers while nowdays only a few hundreds meters are left
>>15635083Idk why Africa the most focused on when it comes to this shit lol it's pretty common sense. It's the same reason outside of some neolithic looking houses the South East Asian islanders didn't have any type of real civilization till they got into a trade network with Hindus/Buddhist Brahmins.>>15635122>But why did those areas like Greece become centers of civilization as opposed to somewhere in Africa? Why wasn't it possible for West Africa to develop a highly advanced civilization that influenced their neighbors like the Greeks didBecause the Greek neighbors themselves were already advanced civilizations
>>15635524>Because the Greek neighbors themselves were already advanced civilizationsYet the Greeks were able to benefit from their advanced neighbors while subsaharan Africans couldn't for some reason
>>15634138Those aren’t even actual pictures of the walls >>15634162>>15634156>>15634150You always have to use villages that weren’t even capitals as evidence of your argument
>>15635731>Yet the Greeks were able to benefit from their advanced neighbors while sub-Saharan Africans couldn't for some reasonBecause why would it Africa is the second largest continent but barely had a population of 80 million in like the 1700's. Giant continent sparsely populated continent outside some costal areas in North Africa.. no shit isolated tribes barely developed deeper than the neolithic age. Someone could also ask why didn't the Hellenic civilizations develop in modern day Sweden what would be your answer to it
>>15634274>>15634278>>15634283>they didn’t build the buildings I think look good see they dumbDo you actually think this really works as an argument
>>15634274>>15634278>>15634283So Bamako wasn’t even of importance and was made the capital by the French you could at least post actual major places unless you think people would be able to read even a wiki page Every so often you lot have cycle through the same arguments because you ultimately know you don’t have anything substantive to argue withYou’ve lost on the genetic frontThe iq shit you lot post are always from sources that just outright lie
Imma just post whatever
>>15636201Igbo stuff
>>15636213Luba sewed houses
These posts are like when Serbians stroke themselves about shooting down a single F-117.It's cope.You lost so horrifically that you have to pretend like your minor accomplishments are great victories.
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Literally what’s wrong with mudhuts? People always talk shit about them and it bothers me. Like what’s wrong with living in a simple hut?
>>15636253A Hausa mosque
>>15636261Floor plan>>15636260It’s their post hoc argument for racism
>>15636271Hausa domes
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>>15636228>In before Arabs built it>Arabs were no where near those areas in that era>Chuds: I meant the BerbersBerbers have no actual ancient civilization all of it is either founded by Levantines, Romans, Greeks, or Persians. And the ones outside the costal area were 90 percent nomads running around the desert outside of maybe southern Tunisia even they weren't advance by anyone standards either.
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>>15636135>Africa is the second largest continent but barely had a population of 80 million in like the 1700'sHaving a low population is just a byproduct of not being an advanced civilization. To have a large population you need to grow lots of food and make all the other necessities people need, which requires technological and organizational advancements. I doubt Egypt or Mesopotamia had a particularly large population before they invented civilization. Having a low population doesn't explain it
>>15636260why dont you live in one then? Go build one and live in it
>>15636340Literal kindergarten tier argument
>>15628433The French overseers had a lot of influence on the design. Aesthetically it is basically French.
>>15636367>there's nothing wrong with mud huts, they're perfectly fine>no I won't live in one because... reasons
>>15636330Cope?I do not care about Africa.I do not care about Portugal.
>>15636423I've been inside of many clay adobes, which are basically the same thing. Clay/mud are actually excellent building materials for their thermal properties, which makes sense, when you realize that they were both built in largely hot arid regions.
nigger worshipping faggots will get what they deserve.
>>15636571What do they deserve?
>>15636571>nigger worshippingNo not really. You seem to believe anyone who calls you out is a worshipper of some sorts.
>>15636379>Aesthetically it is basically French.Not even close. French were very distant with reconstructions if you bothered to pay attention to the other stuff they funded elsewhere in the world or look at other Sahelian examples.
>>15636134>You always have to use villages that weren’t even capitals as evidence of your argumentThe pictures show the current biggest and most modern cities of Africa to remind you that it's Europe who built themBtw the "'capital cities" of precolonial African kingdoms also looked pathethic (pic related)If real cities had existed, Europeans would have used them to set up their administration (like they did in Arab and Asian colonies) instead of building new ones from scratches.
>>15636165>you could at least post actual major placesOkay, here's the royal quarter of the mighty Benin CityLooks so much better than Bamako, right?Now I guess you'll start posting drawings because actual photo dont fit your agenda, right?
>>15636271That's pretty cool, actually.
>>15636323This one is Ouagadougou in the early 1930s, after three decades of French rule.The French are the ones who organized it like that and built the roads (and the few square buildings)The strawhuts remained until the late 40s when they finally decided to make it a real city.Here's how it looked when the French arrived in 1897.
>>15636323>>15636820And here's how it looked in 1960
>>15626620sometimes its not about the ones you build but rather about the ones you break and turn into a bridge that is still seen today
>>15636187Who's gonna tell him that eunuchs didn't have dicks?
>>15636142Sophistication of people's architecture is good indicator of their cognitive ability. Why do you think otherwise?
>>15636165>You’ve lost on the genetic frontReally? Have we finally proves that all races are genetically equal? That's news to me.>The iq shit you lot post are always from sources that just outright lieSorry. IQ is real and IQ in Africa is around 70
>>15636228Those are Medieval Berber settlements in Mauretania, stop posting this retarded shit for the 3000xtime, lol; the actual Neolithic villages near those palces have walls and fences that are no taller than 1 meter, I don’t even have anything against blacks but this is retarded
>>15637414>Sorry. IQ is real and IQ in Africa is around 70thats really not how IQ works...
>>15636300Yes, Berbers built it, you’re posting medieval minarets and modern villages, not the actual Neolithic ruins, look at the academic publications of the actual ruins, you fucking retarded clown
>>15636228Is the point of this picture that those cute stony villages are architecturally superior? Or am I supposed to be amazed by it because niggers built it?
>>15636330>Black Africans won close to or over a hundred battles against European invaders.>By the mid 19th century where every other continent was conquered/humiliated/subjugated by European powers Africa stood strong Do Africans really believe this shit? You guys got conquered by just about every single civilization under the sun.
>>15637427He’s posting medieval and modern settlements. Niggers started claiming they’re Neolithic because there are some Neolithic sites nearby. They’ve been spamming these non-stop in their afrocentric sites; if you look at the actual publications the Neolothic ruins look like fences made out of small pebble not taller than one meter
>>15636260it's not about the constriction material it's more about the lack of sophistication. It signifies a severe civilizational and cognitive inferiority compared to other places in the world.
>>15636228Nice Medieval Berber minarets there, lol:The city was founded in AD 777 and, by the 11th century, had become a trading center for a confederation of Berber tribes, known as the Sanhaja Confederation. It was a crossroads of trade routes. Soon after settling Chinguetti, the Sanhaja first interacted with (and eventually melded with) the Almoravids, represented by Abdallah ibn Yasin. The Almoravids would eventually control an empire stretching from present-day Senegal to southern Spain, called al-Andalus (the modern-day Andalucia). The city's stark, unadorned architecture reflects the strict religious beliefs of the Almoravids, who spread the Malikite rite of Sunni Islam throughout the Western Maghreb.
>>15636228Nice Neolithic monuments there, oh wait it's actually Medieval mosques built by Berbers
>>15636228The famous Neolithic mosques, those Africans invented Islam too
>>15636228Now, for the actual neolithic ruins of Tichitt, marvel at those 0.5 m tall fences made with pebbles, lol.
>>15636228VGH...
haha
>>15636228Now, compared to Malta around the same time, since you posted it
>>15637473Malta
>>15636228Meanwhile, in reality:>>15637469>>15637473VS pic related
>>15626602Mansa Musa was rich in gold, but there just wasn't anything to buy. Arguably you're as rich as your material possesions, not because of an amassment of a currency that could buy you very many material possesions in another time. Isn't it just one of the "let's lift black people up" schemes by telling them they were actually once the richest people, perpetrating the myth that all people are the same. It's also up to debate how much gold he actually had. If i had to choose i would have much rather been someone like Marcus Crassus
>>15637531Why didn't he use some of that gold to get his people to erect some building made out of stone or some other material hardier than mud?
>>15637612>erect
>>15637612You can't just "get your people to do this or that" If the knowledge doesn't exist, you can't make it. How would they know how to be a mason and the physics behind erecting a stone building? Money doesn't make people creative and innovative. Money doesn't create anything directly, it channels your workforce, maybe incentivices some stuff but you're limited by your means. It's like saying why doesn't Elon Musk build anti-gravitational devices with all his money? Wealth only comes from intelligent People that invent shit and actually build something in the real world. Gold has no value by itself.
>>15637473>>15637469Looks like typical ruins
>>15636796>Btw the "'capital cities" of precolonial African kingdoms also looked pathethicThe colonizers themselves would disagree with you. One expressed disappointment at the destruction of Kumasi. Stating that the rebuilt Kumasi was inferior to the greatness of the original.I don't see anything wrong with those houses. I believe these would've been for the average person, they I believe did also have some that looked a bit more 'european' like.
>>15637433There are multiple instances outside of major battles like Adwa of native Africans beating back europeans. They were usually smaller, individual battles. I found the Battle of Salt River kind of funny. The scenario just sounds kind of comedic.It's entirely possible there are hundreds of victories. Winning a few battles doesn't mean you'll win the war. But they are interesting to learn about.
>>15637453>The city was founded in AD 777 and, by the 11th century, had become a trading center for a confederation of Berber tribes, known as the Sanhaja Confederation. It was a crossroads of trade routesI'm not that anom but I know for a fact you're completely talking out of your ass or are confusing it with someone else because what anon posted dates back further and your time periods are way off. Why lie?It was built by proto Mandes.
>>15637893>know for a fact you're completely talking out of your ass or are confusing it with someone else because what anon posted dates back further and your time periods are way off. No, it doesn't, you're way off and disingenous, what I posted is this, one of the Medieval minarets in his picture:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinguetti>I know for a fact you're completely talking out of your ass or are confusing it with someone else because what anon posted dates back further and your time periods are way off.>I know for a fact You asboultely don'tWhat anon posted is extremely disingenous, and you're both and lazy and dumb for falling for itToo bad your double digit IQ doesn't allow you to use the Internet beyond searching for something on google images
>>15637893>>15636228Thankfully this has already been made clear in one of the few history forums out there, too bad you can only search for the first result on Google Images in some Afrocentric forums like Egyptsearchhttps://historum.com/t/any-actual-photos-of-the-tichitt-wallata-complex.139505/
>>15636228>>15637893>Why lie? Good question, wwll, the answer is easy. 1)He's dumb2)He's dumb but smart enough to be disingenous and claims Medieval beber ksar as Neolithic settlements because some Neolithic ruins happen to be in the general area of the site, while passing off pictures of Medieval mosques and minarets as Neolithic3)There are people like you who are even dumber and lazier than him and will take it as a fact
>>15637893>Why lie? I'm not the guy trying to claim Medieval minarets are Neolithic monuments, but you're the idiot actually falling fot itYeah, I've tried clearing up the confusion on a couple forums before and was called a white troll and an "agent". I honestly think the people that do the research aren't confused, but rather intend to spread the misinformation and the rest just blindly accept it without doing any research on their own.
>>15637893>>15636228In fact I believe you're even worse than him for being dumb and not being able to fact check his retarded claim and attacking people who actually doHere's the actual ruins of the Neolithic sites, not some grand towers, sorry but these are the facts, distorting history is a very vile thing to do and spreading misinformation blindly is a really sad thinghttps://journals.openedition.org/nda/1584
>>15637893The tower/minaret he posted is indeed the medieval ksour of Chinguettihttps://whc.unesco.org/en/list/750/The other tower/minaret is that of the Medieval ksour of Tichitt
>>15636228>>15637893he also posted pictures of the Oudane mosque, very similar to that of Chinguetti, built around the same period by the same people, and trying to pass it off as Neolithic, what a sad attempt, incredibly some morons fell for it:https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ouadane-mosque>why lie? Obviosuly to invent a glorious past that never existed
>>15636228>>15637950Wow that's sad, what a pathetic liar.And to think retards like this clueless poster >>15637893actually fell for it
>>15628541Not many people lived like that. Most historic architecture was made out of perishable materials, like wood.
>>15636142Yes retard
>>15637950>>15637933>>15637926Then why didn't you clarify it in your original post? You could've said you were referring to X but this is not that. All you had to do is clarify. Of course you're not going to be fucking trusted when half of you jackasses lie all the time. You're do damn focused on this specific point BECAUSE you have nothing else to latch onto. That's how I know you're dishonest even if this one time was a genuinely flop on my own part. When you guys almost always spout out manipulative and bullshit talking points from /pol/, how can we trust you to ever tell the truth? /his/ fails at its one fucking purpose and a lot of you contribute to it, it ain't about laziness, it's about mistrust. Stop acting like you aren't all lazy bastards yourself that come here to shit on black people with no hint of nuance, respect, or intellectual honesty.
>>15638029I'm sorry your reading comprehension is that of a 3 year old down syndrome child, my first posts were already pretty clear you moron
>>15638035First time talking to a nigger ?
>>15638035I didn't see them. Nor did i look at the original image, id assumed we we talking about Dhar Tichitt from a distance. My idiocy is what you guys honestly deserve for the goddamn quality of this board.
>>15638043>Nor did i look at the original image Then why the fuck did you even reply to me if you didn't know the topic being dicusses you retard?
>>15638057I already told you. I assumed I knew the topic from a glance. I was a bit hasty because im aware of the usual gamed played here. First time posting on /his/ faggot? Better question is, looking back, why even bother responding to such obvious bait? Are you just looking to get an easy win?
>let me build something out of rocks so a white incel can appreciate me 1000 years in the future Mansa Musa doesn't owe a white incel from 1000 years in his future, anything.
>>15637942I think you here are the only anon who clarified respectfully my mistake. I gotta say, I genuinely do appreciate that. Discussions here get exhausting sometimes so I get a bit hasty with responses.
>>15638075>more nigger copeNobody appreciate you.
>>15637612a true muslim doesn't care what people will remember him by
>>15638067You're the one who didn't check the post chain, seems like you just wanna have the last the word
>>15638079if he doesn't want to, he won't do it. Why should he? just because you want him to?he had everything he wanted and his gold gave him access to all the white women he could ever want. He didn't care what would happen afterwards
>>15638084I'll make this clear here without insulting you or being too snarky. >I made an honest mistake>I was not trying to be disingenuous >I was hastyI clarified many times. The nature of the board makes me skeptical, as really anyone on here should be. I had no bad intentions. Nothing I can really do about it, it's been cleared up and the moments passed now.
>>15638085>and his gold gave him access to all the white women he could ever want.Jesus, you're really the most pathetic race on earth. Even abbos are not that low.
>>15638101abbos are being forced because of starfield
>>15638102Ok
>>15637425I didn't post it I do know that the Tichitt town being mixed up with some islamic towers is a problem.And it doesn't help that 99 percent of the pictures on every site has them posted together
>>15636331I already asked you why didn't the areas near the Baltic sea not become the center of civilization
>>15638122Problem is, this picture is actually Chingetti, a medieval Berber Ksar. It has nothing to do with the Neolithic Soninke site of Dhar Tichitt. What you are basically doing is putting Chinguetti, Tichitt, Ouadane and Oualata in a basket and calling it "Dhar Tichitt", creating confusion and mis-informing people heavily. Dhar Tichitt is a Neolithic site probably inhabited by proto-Soninke, whose ruins actually look completley differentYou are misidentifying various settlements from different times, places, and context to then make unsubstantiated claims relating to cultural and ethnic dynamics. I don't know if you do that consciously, but if that's the case it's pretty dishonest, and if it's not the case then you have probably been misinformed by people who actually had an agenda.It's not surprising to see dry-stone Ksours in Mauritania as the Berber population there is high, and it's not surprising to see banco Soninke architecture further south as the Soninke population in the South is also high. Those dynamics aren't surprising at all, and there aren't as much inter-cultural exchanges as you seem to imply, just different demographics inhabiting a big and diverse country influenced a lot by Hassaniya migrations, colonization and whose borders were established by the French.
>>15638122Dhat Tichitt and Medieval Tichitt are different settlements
>>15637420>>15637427>>15637427 >>15637453 >>15637456 >>15637462 >>15637469 >>15637473 >>15637480 >>15637491 >>15637918 >>15637921 >>15637933 >>15637950 >>15637954 Lardskin meltdown KEK. Africans were building and maintaining THIS, meanwhile your people were living in literal shitholes killing off other Europeans in raids.You're obsessed with Blacks because of an innate inferiority complex and will never be a woman even in your wildest dreams
>>15638075>we didn't build advanced structures because we just didn't feel like it C O P EOPE
>>15638163>Africans Yes, Berbers building Medieval Ksour in the Late Middle Ages, pic in the Left is mostly modern buldings, not even Medieval, right is a 20th century or late 19th century house next to some earl modern ruins>meanwhile European Meanwhile Europeans were build these
>>15638163>Wh-teoids were unable to domesticate a single crop until being taught by Anatolian farmer BVLLS
>>15638163>calling out straight out liars is cope Keep seething you were exposed you pathetic baboon
>>15638184Look at him moving the goalpost again, what a pathetic clown
>>15638085Yes his gold bought him every single white woman in Sahara. Which is like zero
>>15638180>Europeans were build theseESL Latinx with 55% and 15% Euro + african admixture confirmed KEKKKKKThose are Fachi and Aney on the Kawar Oasis
>>15638201Some shitty Medieval / Early Modern favelas, so impressive... meanwhile in Western Europe
>>15638163Wow, they reached catal hoyuk tier development in the 14th century AD
>15636187>Chief Black eunuchs with incomplete castrations would own and have sex with their white female slaves and white Turkish women. The latter would go on to prefer the Black eunuch in sex over the whites.
>>15636187>>15638214Salt pits in the Kawar oasis, handbuilt by Black Africans. Important for trans-Saharan trade
>>15638214>white Turkish womenoxymoronAlso it's not even real quote most likely
>>15636207>>15636330>>15637889Multiple battles that resulted in African victories against European forces are undocumented. For many, you'll have to look further than Wikipedia.
>>15638227How did Europeans colonize the entire Africa then?
>>15638234Not OP but pretty sure it was tldr divide and conquer before they could go inland and guns overall just made it easier. Africans did have guns too via trade with euros but a lot weren't as good as the ones europeans used and were used sparingly.
>>15638234The Maxim gun, African auxiliaries and the collapse of African empires capable of resisting the colonialists at the worst time.The majority of Africa remained uncolonized until the late 19th century.
>>15637884Just like leftists nowdays, these people were judging Kumasi compared to the rest of precolonial black Africa and not compared to the rest of the world
>>15638280Are you seriously trying to say that a colonzier was woke?Even if we took what you said at face value, without any pictures of the original structure, there may be drawings though ever, what would be the point of comparisons when the geography and cultures are different? It's like comparing Rome to Stonehenge or some shit when their situations were vastly different.
>>15638163>You're obsessed with Blacks because of an innate inferiority complex Lmao. Niggers have only one perk, they're funny.
>>15638312NTAThey don't have to be woke per se it's just human thing to judge things compared to its peers. If you are traveling through Africa and all you see are simple mudhuts and the you finally come across a settlement that's halfway decent, yeah you'll be in awe from it.
>>15638327It seems like you're forgetting something.
>>15638343Oh yes two things, sorry I forgot about your +2cm on average compared to white cocks. Maybe the 9cm dick chinks will be afraid of yours and will stop colonize you.
>>15638338I get the idea, but we can't really know if they were thinking that. It's very hard to judge when it no longer exists as it was. I think there are some drawings though?
>>15627688Those asymmetric merlons
>>15638363forget drawings we have photographs of African royal palacesthey speak for themselves
>>15638373Last I checked, these aren't royal palaces. I think the top right was for the average person. Top left might be something high status of some sort? Bottom two I don't know.
>>15638312>Are you seriously trying to say that a colonzier was woke?No, they didn't actually consider that these things were on par with European achievement like a woke moron would.When they called some large royal straw hut "impressive", it was understood by them and anyone reading them at the time as "it's impressive by black african standards".
>>15638359I'm not black, but my dick is so small that I wish I was. I suffer.
>>15638227>Multiple battles that resulted in African victories against European forces are undocumented.All European defeats in the 1880s and 1890s (all the 7 of them) are well documented.Maybe 17th century ones arent, but beside a few skirmishes with the Portuguese there were barely any
>>15638133Probably a lot of reasons like general isolation, poor soil quality, and harsh weather. The point is that they were able to overcome these obstacles and adopt civilization from their neighbors while Africans couldn't. Africa has plenty of areas where the geography allows for an advanced civilization like Egypt or Mesopotamia but they still couldn't do anything with it
>>15638380wiki says they are
>>15638392So I was close enough, it looked like something of higher status. Is there more photos of it in full scope? I found an artistic depiction though I'm not sure if it'd accurate.
>>15638075Dude was so vain he'd throw gold in the streets to show his wealth while on pilgrimage, but you telling me he lived in a mud hut cause he was humble and shit?
why do you faggots always harp on SSA and not abos or even south east asian tribes? its the same concept faggots.
>>15637612Go to your local zoo, tell the chimps to build you a castle in exchange for gold and see what happens
>>15638400>vainare you a christian fundamentalist grandpa?
>>15638407abos aren't being obnoxious on twitter
>>15636330>By the mid 19th century where every other continent was conquered/humiliated/subjugated by European powers Africa stood strong defeating European troops preventing any major expansionBy the mid 19th century, no one had tried to invade Africa since a few Portuguese raiders in the 16th and 17th century.Then suddenly Europe actually tried (as trade with neolithic morons was no longer profitable after abolishing slavery) and the whole continent was conquered in a few years despite European nations using about 2% of their military might
>>15638419you shouldnt be browsing twitter to begin with.
>>15638387You must really suffering. I can't imagine a worse curse than bein a nigger.
>>15638441being indian
>>15638441Having a small dick is pretty lame bro. If you don't know what it's like then take my word for it and count yourself lucky.
>>15626620There are coins with his face and name on them, where's the Mansa Musa's gold?
>>15638407Are abos currently invading Europe under the justification that colonialism is the reason why their countries are poor and backward?
>>15638399Here are some photos of Kumasi
>>15638419I wish they were obnoxious only on twitter.>>15638481Asians have small dicks and they don't care. I think having civilization is more important than having a big dick.
>>15638380>think the top right was for the average personIt's notIt's the inner courtyard of the King's palace
>>15638407Abos and ssa don't pretend they were atlant kangz n shit
>>15638626>leftist think the top right was for the average person>it actually was for a kangThis summarize the thread pretty well.
>>15638626I'm curious where this is from? A book? Maybe the structures look similar but I'm pretty sure the top was for citizens or a house in Ashanti.
>>15638646Nevermind, I found the place where I had the claim. It's the royal palace. I mightve had it mistaken with the temples that are bigger looking? But look similar. I like it.
>>15638646It's the King's palaceYour source for it being a random house is probably some twitter post
>>15638686Nah, it wasn't Twitter. I just misread the source I had. It looks fine to me and it serves its purpose. Any pics of the inside?
>>15638701>It looks fine to meAs the most impressive building of an entire nation in the late 19th century?See >>15638280It looks fine by Subsaharan African standards, but not compared to the rest of the world.
>>15638734I dont know what the 'most impressive building' would be. What I'm talking about is a colonialist suggesting the original Kumasi city was superior to the one that was rebuilt after the originals destruction. I'm talking about Kumasi as a whole. Not a single building like you are.
>>15633863Civilization isn't an end in itself. It's just one way of adapting to the environment.If you look where the first civs appeared, you see several common factors:1. Overpopulation2. Depletion of resources (larger and easier to hunt fauna)3. Very good soils4. Trade "routes" - ways for different communities to trade with relative speed and ease.In places where some or all of the above lacked, civs appeared way later. Like South America, Central America, Africa. Places like Australia never even developed one.Europe apart from the Mediterranean was quite late to the party compared to the Middle East, India or China.On the other hand neighboring civs start competing and often force neighbors to band up together, this competition leads to the societies further adpating to survive as "civilizations" of various kinds. Sometimes it's the nomads, sometimes it's sedentiary empires, sometimes - city states.All these things are merely adaptations. Africans and Australians were just adapting towards different environments but they nevertheless achieved massive success withtin their respective niches.Fun fact. Sedentiary peoples' brains tend to shrink when moving from hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Certain parts of the brain become underused. When living within a "civilization" we rely less on the sense of smell, visual processing of the information quickly becomes lessrelevant and so forth.Same thing has been observed in the domesticated animals. So in terms of brain size some African tribes will probably shame the pale nordic neets who so love to measure heads.
>>15630371The siege bridge to Tyre that now links up Tyre to the mainland is kino alright. As is the Roman ramp going up to Masada. Are there any other extant examples of the lengths that the ancient armies would go to kill the enemy?
>>15638776NTA but a thought had occurred to me and I don't think it would necessarily be incompatible with your idea of adaptationsDo you think the amount of wars has anything to do with it? I recall the idea basically that more wars = more development. Sounds pretty oversimplified and it probably is but do you think this on any level has any part in this?
>>15638826That's partly what I said by civs comepting leading to civs adapting more and more sorta to being civs.It's never as simple as "more development" of course. Take brozne age collapse for example.We have a lot of armed conflict, some massive natural disasters, agricultural failure across a wide interconnecting region. Next time we look - the empires have shrunk or outright disappeared. The complexity has decreased, to be sure, but I personally do not liek to use words such as "development" or "advancement" they tend to be loaded with progressivist ideas that I do not subscribe. Rather I'd think in more biological terms "adapation", "complexity" and such.Much more precise in my opinion.
>>15626602Because mud exteriors keep exceptionally cool in hot climates
>>15626602Institutions are all apologists for blacks and their lack of culture or accomplishments. It's part of the denial of reality that defines modern politics.
>>15634150I wonder what Dakar will look like in the 2040s (next 80 year increment).
>>15638776>So in terms of brain size some African tribes will probably shame the pale nordic neets who so love to measure heads.What a pathetic thing to write lmao. Peak reddit here.
>>15639108Yea>>15639178Like shit.
>>15639280facts don't care about your feelings
>>15639108>anything that doesn't follow my barrat8ve us bullshit.Why do you assume everyone has a hateboner rewards Africans. I always doubt it weird Western or westernized chuds have this sentiment
>>15639292I feel that you spend a lot of time on reddit.
>>15639302Yes everyone outside the west love niggers and are convinced they had great civilizations.
>>15639453There you go proving my point.
>>15639453>tfw used to think I was a racist>then I spent a year working in Qatar We take it for granted but liberalism really has been a civilizing effect on the west, some of what I witnessed would make even the fiercest pol larper recoil. A lot of the time the abuse was directed towards people who were their fellow Muslims too.
>>15639491Egalitarianism is a cult. Cope.
>>15638223>most likely If you try to source it you literally arrive at a tranny discord. The literal kind of literal. If you don't believe me look at the archives. Might even be a bot given it always posts on Thur.
>>15639529No one brought up egalitarianism schizo. Why do you even think it's relevant to bring up? Are you some retarded SEA guy?
>>15639506Yes, Arabs know them well for obvious reasons. I had an algero-egyptian colleague a while ago and I explained to him the afrocentric theories about ancient egypt and carthage. He was dying of laughter.
>>15639566Every non black poster ITT defending niggers did so because they were taught that racism was blasphemy. You would all rather suffer the worst mental torture than accept the fact that niggs are worthless and incapable of achieving civilization.This is just a retarded phase brought about by the degeneration of christianity and once the West loses its cultural dominance, niggers will once again be seen as they really are.
>>15639607So you are further proving that you are a total mess in the head.>This is just a retarded phase brought about by the degeneration of christianityWhat degeneration exactly? Do you actually know what Christianity is? You ost like a SEA/LatAm sperg.
>>15639607what makes you so rabidly mad about black people that you seethe about them 24/7?The only person here who cares that much about some mosque in Timbuktu is you.
>>15639631It is not so much about christianity as its modern reading. Christianity has degenerated into a morbid version of itself and all that remains is marxism.>>15639643I don't like them but I don't really care about them, what I really hate is the left wing white retards. Because they are retarded fags right but above all because they are wrong about everything and behave like geniuses.
>>15639607Racists just seethe that Africa becomes stronger year by year and XXI century will be an african one.> b-b-b-b-but mud buildingsDon't care. We gring to scyscrappers right now while you arguing on 4chan.
M A N S A> M U S AM A N S A> M U S AM A N S A> M U S AM A N S A> M U S A
>>15639691>two more weeksLmao.
>>15639691>3/4 of the buildings on your pic are 3D projects probably carried out by the Chinks without any nigger contribution in terms of architecture or engineering>which will probably never be built>the only building actually built is a Soviet style brutalist piece of shitNigga, you're not even trying
>>15639965You don't have to be dishonest. I don't even understand why you're dying on this hill.
>>15639965>out by the Chinks without any nigger contribution in terms of architecture or engineeringDo you not know how modern Infrastructure is nowadays? Shit has gone global for more than a century.>the only building actually built is a Soviet style brutalist piece of shitYou really gotta stop slinging terms around and read what brutalism is lol.
>>15639681>Christianity has degenerated into a morbid version of itself and all that remains is marxism.Way to out yourself as a brain dead spic lol.
>>15639898>>15639965Cope. Africa won, Tchiani won, Traore won, Niger won, the Sahel won, Pan-Africanism won, multipolarity won. Fr*nce and Western imperialism LOST.
>>15640012>ooga booga new military coup will finally fix this shithole
>>15630327they are self haters. that is why they worship orcs
>>15632835yes. the med area was COLONIZED by greece and rome. it is only in the middle ages that it became orc infested
>>15631187based. that's what cucked orc worshipping sois, look like and sound like. you also capture that they have the emotional age of a child
>>15631203>racistno such thing. keep crying for orcs. but they will never care about you cuck boi
>>15630328and they were built by Caucasians
>>15630113>>egypt>the elite was originally whitethis guy knows about Greek and Roman colonization of the med area. WE WERE KINGS.cry moar about it orc worshipping cucks
>>15632667dey dun right zug zug on dere cave walls
>>15626602sum gorilla dun bee seethin.he ain't no kang
>>15633863Jungle soil sucks, so there's land to farm in Subsahara. Hence, people never settled and civilizations never came about. Same reason you don't find civilizations in Siberia.
>>15635183There were no civilizations prior to the ice age. So what happened? Did people in Europe, Asia and America just get more intelligent all of a sudden? If not, maybe the same reason applies to Africa nowadays.
>>15634150>>15634156>>15634162Interesting picturesNow tell me who's running those cities today
>>15637744Why didn't Musa just import skilled foreigners with his wealth?
>>15640323>orcsThis usnt an isekai, boy.
>>15639976look up google street view of the few cities in Africa that are mapped. They are all shitholes.
>>15641307I had to google that. If you think niggers are humans you're the one living in an isekai.
