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It’s raw biblical truth. Which is why it offends so many people.

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>>15104953
You are my favorite tripfag, God bless you

>>15104953
QRD on Calvinism? How does it differ from Protestantism and Catholicism

>>15104991
Calvinism is protestant

>>15104991
Calvinism is Protestant. It differentiates itself with the 5 points of Calvinism (TULIP), which is where most controversy arises. But these 5 points are entirely Biblical and must be understood if we wish to increase our understanding of the Gospel.

This is a good introduction to Reformed theology (Reformed theology and Calvinism can be used interchangeably):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUpyxnqAow&list=PL30acyfm60fXICLFyvTlD36Bh-ypGcrXe&index=7&pp=iAQB

Lincoln viewed the world in a very Calvinistic way despite never joining a church. Interesting what an upbringing as a Calvinistic Baptist done for him.

>>15105020
>rc sproul
Guy was a hyper literalist who signed the Chicago statement, i think he was YEC too. I wonder if believed in the firmament also.

>>15105037
Oh really? How awful!

>>15105043
Wait he believed in the firmament?

>>15105043
Worker doesn't like bringing up that hyper literalism doesn't work once evolution gets brought in.

>>15105043
Do you seriously think the earth is 10,000 years old.

>>15105046
Not as far as I know

>>15105051
?

>>15105061
I don’t know how old it is

>>15105020
While the doctrines of grace are an integral part of the Reformed tradition, they are by no means the whole of it. The Institutes of the Christian Religion was not a treatise on soteriology. There are other defining doctrines such as covenant theology, as well as doctrines that while they may not be strictly definitional but have an extremely strong and intimate history with the Reformed tradition such as postmillennialism and theonomy.
>>15105037
>Guy was a hyper literalist
What does that mean? "Literalist" and an emphasis on "literal" is something I only ever hear from IFBs and liberals. The former uses it to mean "believing everything the pastor says", and the latter uses it to mean "believing what the bible says". I think we can tell from the context which one you are, I hope you do not expect us to be ashamed of the word of God because you will be very disappointed.
>who signed the Chicago statement, i think he was YEC too
Yes. And?
>>15105051
We don't believe in evolution, now please do not attempt to derail this thread into another evolutionism argument.

>>15105117
>Guy was
>was

What happened to him anyway? I liked him, I only stopped regularly seeing him in this cesspit recently

>>15104936
Calvinism is evil. It just back doors work based salvation. It puts people on a pendulum of extreme despair and pride.

>>15105126
But what other answer is there for why some people refuse the gospel? Why would you refuse salvation?

>>15105117
>While the doctrines of grace are an integral part of the Reformed tradition, they are by no means the whole of it.
Wouldnt you agree that those are the “controversial” points that set Reformed theology apart? Of course TULIP is a small part of a very big picture, and doesn’t include other important beliefs (like the 5 solas etc)

>>15105123
Reverend Sproul was called to the Lord's side a few years ago.

>>15105126
>It just back doors work based salvation.
It baffles me that someone could make that statement. The only possibility is that they are completely ignorant.

>>15105133
Not really, the same generic Arminian evangelicals who go crazy over the 5 points usually go crazy over things like covenant theology or theonomy too, they're just less famous so non-Calvinists tend to be more ignorant of them.

>>15105073
>I don’t know how old it is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Earth

>>15105073
>Not as far as I know
That's what i dont get about the chicago statement. Its supposed to he this very fundamentalist document but of course they stop at the firmament.

>>15105163
Do you mean some 19th century flat earther concept of a solid dome encircling a flat disc?

>>15105117
Literalist means things like YEC yes. You can believe what you want but you cant start talking about your whole view when you start by denying the age of the earth is 10,000 years old or say evolution has no grounds.

>>15105170
Its jewish cosmology anon. It didn't start in the 19th century.

>>15105139
> completely ignorant.
I know a lot about Calvinism and have listened to people who came from a Calvinist reformed tradition describe how they felt in that tradition. I listened to this the other day. Two pastors who’s caked from a reformed tradition talk about how Calvinism back doors work based salvation. So I must ask you have you ever heard of Lordship Salvation. Your life becomes one big fruit inspection.
https://youtu.be/QniIWU-sPWA

>>15105130
What do you mean by refuse? A lot of people didn't even hear it, asia, south america, india, a lot of places back then. Also i do you mean how can someone not listen to a preacher once they heard him? Im sure theres muslims who think its crazy how people dont become muslims. Also this makes Calvinism weirdly pro white because whites become the center of the "elect", which is another weird conclusion calvinism has.

>>15104936
Calvinism is roght up there with Jehovas Witnesses and Mormons on how cultish it gets.

>>15105180
Flat earthism is a novelty of the 19th century invented by Samuel "Parallax" Rowbotham in the book Zetetic Astronomy
>>15105174
>Literalist means things like YEC yes
Yeah it means "believing what the bible says", apparently. Not our own language.
>You can believe what you want
We neither asked for nor required your permission
>you cant start talking about your whole view when you start by denying the age of the earth is 10,000 years old or say evolution has no grounds.
Why do you want to turn this thread into an argument about evolutionism or earth age?
>>15105183
Lordship salvation is the name for the fact that Christ's sheep are transformed to live righteously. This is not works righteousness because it is not an autonomous action that they must perform in order to merit salvation, but a change which God works in them as part of their salvation. Sanctification is inseparable from justification. If Jesus is not your Lord, He also will not be your Savior. The alternative to Lordship salvation is the Antinomian heresy, which is damnable, since it is a false gospel of licentiousness.
Synergism is a cancer. Its denial of the powerful grace of God leaves it with two consistent forms: Antinomian heresy, and works righteousness heresy.

>>15105185
>A lot of people didn't even hear it
In the west, there's no excuse in the internet age where information is more accessible than ever before. Places where other religions are dominant, I would assume fall under the "Virtuous pagan" rule

Why are you preaching calvinism if you believe non christians have hearts of stone and unless God gives them new life with the gift of faith they are dead?

>>15105195
says the man who prays to statues and paintings

>>15105204
Jewish cosmology is not flat earth anon. It developed independently and its very old.

>>15105209
It could be God's will to soften their hearts.
Happened to me.

>>15105209
Because God uses means. The preaching of the gospel is an ordinary means of grace.

>>15105204
Anon Calvinism requires a very fundamentalist view, but qe know fundamentalist reasing should raises eyebrows because of things like YEC, which qe now know are not true. Thats why this discussion fits here. Also you are acting like you always take a literal reading but if that was true you obviously would also believe in the dome above the earth, which im assuming you dont.

>>15105228
>but qe know fundamentalist reasing should raises eyebrows because of things like YEC, which qe now know are not true
How do we know that? Because the wise men of the world said so? The truth will always be foolishness to the world, but we preach Christ crucified.
>Thats why this discussion fits here
No sir it does not fit here because the topic is Reformed theology, not "creationism makes me sad :("
>Also you are acting like you always take a literal reading
I believe I denied that this autistic obsession with "literal" was part of our tradition. We intend to always take the reading of the text which can be exegetically established to be the intended meaning of the author, whether it's metaphorical, literal, whatever. And once that meaning is derived, it is preferable to die than surrender it, for "We will obey God rather than men".
>you obviously would also believe in the dome above the earth
Could you please show me these scriptures that talk about a dome above the earth?

>How do we know that? Because the wise men of the world said so?
Necause there is literal geological data showing an old earth.
>No sir it does not fit here because the topic is Reformed theology, not "creationism makes me sad :("
Anon, you talk your fundamentalism yet the second a person doesn't agree you start freaking out.
>Could you please show me these scriptures that talk about a dome above the earth?
Its on Genesis for starters, read Genesis 1:6-8 for one example

>>15105279
For >>15105249

>>15105279
>Necause there is literal geological data showing an old earth
And you know that because the wise men of the world said so.
>Anon, you talk your fundamentalism yet the second a person doesn't agree you start freaking out.
I'm freaking out because I'm taking issue with your attempt to derail the thread?
>Genesis 1:6-8
Sorry I don't see the word "dome" in my bible, could you show me where a dome is in the text?

Calvinism lowers Christianity to the same level of evil as Judaism and Islam. Catholicism is Abrahamic religion twisted to be more compatible with western spirit and paganism, and that's a GOOD thing.

>>15105331
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A6-8&version=NRSVUE

Kjv uses the word firmament, which might be more well known.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A6-8&version=KJ21

>>15105357
Where do you see dome?

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>>15105331
>he doesn't know
>he's not aware
>he was not informed