How are there people who actually think the Soviets would have won this? Anglos would've stomped. Barbarossa would've looked like amateur hour by comparison.
>>15103884We should have liberated East Europe sooner, death to red dogs
>>15103899>should have just sent another few hundred thousand american men to their deaths to liberate more tribal eurangotansno
>>15103899no they shouldve just strike a normal peace deal with nazis and dont allow commies to rape berlin
Rather than trying to stomp them, a more realistic goal might be pushing them back to the pre-war borders.Liberate the countries they invaded, but don't make the mistake of going any further.But even if this worked I imagine it would set the stage for another great war. The Soviets would definitely feel humiliated and cheated out of hard earned war spoils after losing so much to take them.Of course the best case scenario would have been if the Western Allies hadn't pumped so much lend-lease and just let Germany and Russia destroy each other so the latter wouldn't have enough strength left to seize Eastern Europe to begin with.
>>15103899Shouldn't have sent any lend lease in the first place>WeLel
>>15103884A lot of people have rotted their brains on vatnigger propaganda. I don't doubt that a war with the Soviets immediately after V-E day would have been a bloody slugfest, but American logistics and airpower in combination with superior infantry would have prevailed over the Soviets. Imagine if we had actually gone forward with Operation Unthinkable- the Soviets would have been reduced to a regional power at best, the British Empire would have been completely bankrupted (allowing official or unofficial annexation into the nascent Global American Empire), and our only remaining enemy would be Red China. It could have been a modern Battle of Magnesia, instead we got a gay humanitarian empire of gibsmedats
>>15103910Killing communists is the highest calling on earth>>15104060> The Soviets would definitely feel humiliated and cheated out of hard earned war spoils after losing so much to take themSo what? Finland has the population of New York City and fought them to a humiliating stalemate for years. What the fuck was the USSR going to do against the entire free world?
>>15104309>Killing communists is the highest calling on earthwhy aren't you in ukraine?
>>15103884The Soviet Union suffered a famine in 1946 because US food aid in the form of lend-lease ended. The boots that marched Soviet soldiers to Berlin were made in America and Britain. The aviation fuel that flew Soviet planes into Germany came from America. The trucks that made the supplying and logistics of Soviet troops possible came from America. Without lend-lease, the Soviets would crumble apart. Hence why I believe Unthinkable would have a decent chance at success.
>>15103884Only scenarios were one would think it feasible are>if you are underage>if you are a videogame addictUtterly unsustainable politically, unless you do not understand the moral impact WW2 had on the civilian base of the Allied countriesGood luck getting to convince the soldiers and the people to keep suffering after 6 years of total war, fight a new enemy that they regarded as a brother-in-arms against the Germans (<- this is the part were some retard gets confused because he is applying Cold War logic retroactively) and re-arm the big scary German boogeyman that they sacrificed so much to put down
>>15104387This, in 1945 their logistics were overstretched as it was and it was a struggle for them to even integrate the eastern european puppet states. An allied invasion would've broken both morale and the logistical lines almost instantly, and the front would collapse like butter.Allied bombing of rail lines and logistical networks itself would probably do the Soviets in, they would have to scramble their troops back as they wouldn't even be able to stop an internal German/polish/hungarian uprising.
>>15103884at this point Soviet Union was literally Mao era China or Cambodia-during-Khmer-Rouge situation. There were partisans sticking out of everywhere, every house there was at least one militant with warrior fury that still has not calmed and they were overbeared with patriotism mixed with self-righteousness.At this point, USA declaring war on Soviet Union would be a strategic disaster. Maybe they could win but at the end it will be a defeat in terms of outcomes.
>>15103884There is zero chance Czechoslovakia sides with the Soviets in 45. At absolute minimum the Slovaks wouldn't side with commies.
>>15104737>muh politicsthe people would understand communism is the same as nazism and that the war isn't over, they would have the same resolve as britain when it stood alone in 1940
>>15104818again, either underage edgelord or videogame addict (or both)
>>15103884Its less that the Soviets were militarily capable and more that the world at large was beyond tired of years on end of such a massive conflict. That said cucking so badly to Stalin in the end was fucking retarded, should have just used the A bombs dropped on Japan and the fact they were still heavily reliant on American aid and goodwill as an example to tell Stalin to fuck off back to his pre WW2 borders.
Patton was right.
>>15104387Lot of focus on lend lease. Demographic was probably more catastrophic. USSR had suffered extremely high losses from combat and german occupation. By may 1945 soviet generals were informed that all reserves were completely exhausted. Immediately after the war the Soviet Union demobilized much of its army to get the men back into civilian life before a social and economic collapse, the famine included.A continued war would have been absolutely catastrophic, regardless of allied air superiority, logistical capability, and sole carrier of nuclear weapons.The allies, or USA to be more exact, simply chose to end the war out of good faith, and to spare millions of people more death and destruction, to save the economy from collapse and marxist revolution in several nations, to place a lot of faith in the newly established UN for cooperation and dialogue to prevail over future issues, and to not appear as the same warmongerers as the nations they had just defeated in the eyes of history.Its perfectly reasonable why they chose to stay true to their mission and end the war, but no one can dispute that had the war continued, the Soviets would have had to accept defeat.
>>15103884Here's the actual situation at the end of the war.
>>15103884There was literally nothing the westoids could do against soviet tanks, they literally shitted themselfs when they saw T-44s and IS-3s in the Berlin Victory parade.
>>15105007One Soviet "army" is not equivalent to a US or British army. As many anons have already pointed out, Soviet logistics were stretched thin, they were dependent on American-made ammunition and fuel, and possessed vastly inferior air power. If we wanted to, we could have beaten the Soviets back to their pre-war borders and reduced them to a minor regional power
The West would most likely have won but it would have resulted in further millions of deaths coming off the most destructive war in human history. People generally speaking are not sociopaths that operate on pure logical bug mentality; The Nazis were defeated and families wanted their sons to come home. Blame Shitler for putting Europe through so much misery that Stalin was allowed to conquer half the continent.
>>15103884Well, that, and even the Allies had run out of even low-skill reserves by that point. The British were disbanding entire ground units to keep other units at full strength, the US had maxed out its manpower without dipping into reserves needed to run industry, and the Soviets not only only had enough men coming online to keep up their strength rather than replace losses, American Lend-Lease constituted enough of their logistical base that its loss would mean the immediate disbanding of formations to get them back on the farms and factories.So the lesson that could be learned from this is that while machines are expendable, the men who know how to use those machines are not. America, Russia, and Britain were quick to learn this lesson upon taking stock of their losses after WWII and realized that while quantity over quality had managed to win them the war, it had left them severely weakened with significantly lowered reserves of trained crews at the end of WWII. This may have been a key contributing factor in why the Cold War didn't kick off into full blown war after WWII, as both sides had to train an entire new generation of crews to replace those lost in the war, which took time. Then just a few years after the war ended Russia successfully developed nuclear weapons and suddenly there were very good reasons why neither the US or USSR wanted to directly fight each other.
>>15105113>Blame Shitler for putting Europe through so much misery that Stalin was allowed to conquer half the continent.Can I also blame FDR for being a massive Stalin simp and thinking "let's give everything to him that we can I've got a hunch he's a good guy :DDD"?
>>15103884would it wait and see?The Soviets actually did know about Operation Unthinkable. Spies in Britain and America had alerted the Soviet High Command by mid 1945, and passed on the complete plans by early-1946.What did the Soviets do? Wait and see. They knew that the Americans wanted no part in it,which made the plan totally unfeasible as 70% of the troops and 80% of the funding in the plan was American. Not to mention that in mid-1945 America was still fighting the Japanese in Asia. The British were in no shape to launch the offensive, their army wasn’t even a third the size of the Soviet one and they were facing bankruptcy.But they did take steps to counter it. For example, they consistently kept their Western armies much larger than the Western Allies’ up til 1960(In 1949, the ratio of Western:Soviet troops facing each other in the Soviet border was 1:15). And several of the key roads and towns outlined in the plan received special attention by the STAVKA.
>>15105177Holy fuck you're retarded. The US was propping up the USSR with free gibs all the way to Berlin because a German soldier fighting a Russian soldier is a German soldier not fighting an American soldier.You merely proved his point that the people at the time didnt hivemind emotionless bullshit during an apocalyptic war in order to satisfy a bunch of frogposters 100 years later who questions their rationality based purely on hindisight.Hitler enabled the spread of communism by starting a chaotic conflict. Without the invasion of Poland then communism would likely have been contained within the USSR and possibly even further.
>>15105010Nukes, retard
>>15104387>>15104767>>15105005Powerful Slavs would have destroyed the NATO homos.
>>15105475>USSR>Slavs Most Slsvs would've joined the west in this conflict
>>15105007In fairness the Soviet division was on average 3,000 men at the time and 100 some tanks. While the average American division was 30-50000 infantry and 250-600 tanks/tracked tank destroyers
>>15105449Allies didn’t have nukes.They made two bombs, used both.>>15105479Wrong.
>>15105485Poles, Czechoslovaks, Ukrainians would be almost guaranteed to team up with the west. Many Russians probably too, remember ROA had over a million troops. Communism was just jewish bullshit imposed on us by force.
>>15105444t. FDR fan.The man was heeding the words of a confirmed Soviet informant on how to deal with Stalin and ignoring those who knew better.
>>15105177No, I'd mostly just going to blame the man that chimped out and gave a reason for the western powers to ally with the communists. FDR wouldn't have paid the Soviets any mind beyond the status quo of containing communism, if someone hadn't decided to make himself a bigger threat then said communism.
>>15103884We had nukes
>>15104818You are applying 1950s and 60s public opinion to the mid-1940s. People were fresh out of this war believing that the Soviet Union was le good guys. It really wasn’t until the rosenberg spies got caught and brought in front of the media that public opinion slowly started to sour towards russia. People in the mid to late 40s still had a very “le germany big evil le bad, imagine how good le socialism our society can be!” mentality. We were still getting new socialist or at least pro-worker policies here until the 50s.Like the other anon said you’re thinking backwards anachronistically. Like as if we asked why the Ostrogoths/Franks don’t pre-crusade into Arabia in the 6th century to prevent the arab muskim conquests
>>15105480>the average American division was 30-50000 infantry and 250-600 tanks/tracked tank destroyersno. An american division was 10-20k, but a soviet division was like you said 3k or so. Sometimes could be a lot more but usually 3k. A soviet “front” was alin to an american “army”.
>>15104309>Finland has the population of New York CityNYC has 16 million people mate
>>15105824>the rosenberg spiesevery time
>>15104309>What the fuck was the USSR going to do against the entire free world?Are you really that fucking retarded to think that the Red Army of 39 is the same as the one in 45?
>>15106203The Soviets didn't have nukes until 1949. So there was a window to royally fuck their shit up before they manufactured them.
butthurt belters analysis always makes me laugh. you little kiddies will soon be fodder from how things are shaping up. you need to flee those swampy shitholes of your if you know whats good for you.
>>15106208Nice goalpost shift.
>>15106210If you're Russian you should know you were enslaved by commies just like we were, if you're a brown 3rd worlder go and commit suicide.
>>15106354Shut the fuck up gangstalker jew
>>15103884the Soviets had the most tanks in the entire world, anglos couldn’t stop shit, there is a reason why 80% of Germany’s casualties came against the Red Army, shove your lend lease up your ass>>15104387nice copium, most of the lend lease came in 1943, well after the Soviets started pushing back, you’re telling me a country that made 65k tanks in total can’t make few hundred thousand pair of boots for its soldiers ? yeah, quit overrating yourself ameritard, without the Soviets Britain and US never land in Normandy
>>15106354You dirty fucking kike
>>15103884>mfw M4sherman meet 1000 IS-3 tanks
