What will it take for this to become reality?
>>15097731massive depopulation
Technology centralizes power.Technology obfuscates power.People drawn to hidden/obfuscated/dishonest power trend overwhelmingly toward evil.Technological society will never be good.
>>15097731THD and complete replacement by machines
>>15097731Eugenics and genocide
>>15097731It will never become a reality because profit is the engine that drives the entire capitalist system in the first place. I know you Nazis think that you can have a fascist version of capitalism that works perfectly just by being Nazi itself, but you are deluding yourself.
These greens will attract shit ton of insects.
>>15097731What makes you think this is even possible?
>>15098058nazis weren't fascist
>>15098038One letter off
>businessess exist to serve the communitySource?
>>15098133They also weren’t capitalist. They were socialists. It’s actually in the name.
>>15098157they killed the socialists though
>>15098157Nazi Germany still had private property and profit-seeking moron.
>>15098058What's wrong with profit?
>>15098170One sect calling others heretical, many such cases
>>15098180Yes, Lenin too allowed it or else there would be no war economy and nothing to fight the Whites
>>15098180Abolition of private property = communism Communism =/= socialismFucking retard
>>15098212So what, exactly, does socialism mean to you, you fucking moron?
>>15097731You set up legislation such that companies can only do business in ways that "serve the community", whatever that means. Ideally even such that this gives them profit. You could say this is already what we are doing, what with all the restrictions and regulations companies have to contend with.Or you could imagine a system wherein people are rewarded for "serving the community" in ways other than money. Good luck with that one though. Social prestige is a thing, and some entrepreneurs do adjust their behaviour to gain it. But that depends on tons of factors and doesn't work for everyone. Certainly not for anonymous stockholders.
>>15098181Better question is what makes you think anything can stand in opposition to it? In merely 200 years profit-seeking changed the world from poor agrarian societies to a global hypertechnological capitalist society.Do you think words like "serve the community", whatever this meaningless phrase means, can stand against such a system?The answer is no.
>>15098229I hate commies who think they can uproot the entire system, when they can't even promote minor changes that would really help people.>Apple makes unrepairable smartphones with proprietary chargers>Commie be like "Woe is me, this is why we need to turn over our entire economic system!">Keeps buying iPhones anywayMeanwhile the EU just orders them to make repairable phones and use USB-C or gtfo the european market. Because there's a lot of options within our political and economic systems to influence things.
>>15097733Why do Eloncels worry about this? It's only worrisome in that people that look like Dolph Lindgren and Claudia Schaefer aren't being paid to have as many children as possible. The next few generations of Japanese people will inherit a paradise while the west will certainly become shittier and more far removed from anything that made us a cut above the rest before.
>>15098372Problem with this take is that there is no point you can stand where you are outside of the economic system because the economic system is the building blocks of life itself. Telling a communist that he can just buy a different phone implies that simply giving his money to someone else will fundamentally change the economic system and that's just not true is it, someone else will have the exact same bullshit proprietary systems as Apple and the reason why is that it works in their favor economically.
>>15098372If you don't buy an iphone you will be seen as less attractive by women. I didn't write the rules.
>>15098427So? You don't need to change the entire economic system to get rid of proprietary systems when you can just make laws against proprietary systems.>>15098441Remember, the only thing in the world worse than a woman is a man trying to get a woman.
>>15097731Start by overturning this i guesshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.It stops corporations from investing into their own employees and community.
>>15098556When you sell stock of your company, you're doing it under the promise that you will continue to use the company to make money and invest it into the company or pay it to the stockholders as dividends. You can't just pay company money as gift to third parties - that money belongs (partly) to your stockholders. You want to do that, do it with a company that you own 100%. Or use your personal dividends as gifts.
>>15097731>dude, what if we had factories but like grew vines all over itAn economy where most of the capital is owned by a middle class who own a share in their place of work, thus they desire profit but not at any extreme which harms the local population that includes themselves, their family, friends and community. However this can't be achieved through socialism, they hate private property and prefer the state (or some group that is a state in all but name) seizing the "means of production", which naturally their demagogues end up in charge of and do the usual corrupt bullshit. Of course they will also want more "diversity" and the influx of millions of unskilled laborers and overpopulation will make it difficult for this middle class to emerge, everyone will be reduced to living in impoverished favelas, not the utopia you see in OP.What is needed is quite the opposite. Completely unyielding extreme far-right reactionism and/or ultraconservatism, close knit communities similar to the Amish, Mennonites and Mormons that aim to buy up land in an area or ensure their members are educated and financially successful. These would ensure ordinary people can challenge the elite for ownership of capital without submitting themselves to said demagogues, the only caveat is they cannot be "inclusive", they need not be "intolerant" of outsiders, but it is not possible for them to cater to 40 million homeless Bengalis without destroying their system, which no doubt plenty of people will want them to do. In the future when things are not so prosperous and peaceful they will probably need to be more militaristic and volatile than the pacifist Amish in order to survive and preserve themselves from both the elite and the overpopulated lumpenprole underclass.
>>15098748There needs to be space where you give the comoany moeny because you believe in their mission, not just think you are getting more money next quarter. Ford should have been freed to pay people, letting his capitalism help others. If you dont like what he soes then just sell, but saying the man is not allowed do better for his community and employees is nonsense. A great error was that ruling.
>>15098852>then just sellAnd who would buy it? No man, you have to set that up BEFORE you sell stock. You want to found a charity or foundation or NGO, you do that. You want to found a Company, it's a Company. You want to transform your Company into a charity, you gotta own it yourself, 100%.
>>15098865Why 100%, if you put money in it and the people who own it want better wages then that seems fair.
>>15098170So did the russians. It's just a sect thing
>>15097731>eco-communismNothing. Communism is a dead end ideology that can't work because it assumes that power dynamics aren't real.Besides, this decaying, post-indunstrial, overgrown syndicalist shot is lame as fuck. You could be looking forward to solar punk, but you chose a post-collapse loser-fest.
>>15097731the yes is a no, so instead here is what no did to become yes in a no world. "guys what can we do to be no"
> what will it takeA government
>>15097731EcoFash & a global genocide.
>>15098170So did the Anarcho-Syndicalists in Catalonia. Revival religious sects tend to do that.
>>15099616Solar Punk is the biggest fucking meme-tier utopia worldview and I love it, there are very few things that make me giggle as much as their delusions.
>>15097731Once technology is advanced enough and materials are cheap, the poor class won't be useful anymore and will have to be eradicated in some way, obesity already have been a population control tool for some years now with lower classes being fed slop ensuring shortened lifespans. Women of lower classes are being fed ideologies pushing them away from their primary role of motherhood.With short lifespan and no fertility, the decline will happen. The middle class will replace the lower class and the lowest job will be technician.
>>15097731A fundamental alteration of human nature.
>>15098888It's not.You, your brother and your sister form a lemonade stand company. Each of you buy a pack of lemonade, decide on a stand, open it.Then you find there's lots of poor children around there, and you're in a generous mood. So you decide to give away the lemonade for free. Your sister agrees. Your brother however doesn't. Would it be just for you two, as a majority of shareholders, to give away the entire lemonade? Of course not. You have a right to give away the lemonade you bought. The lemonade that your brother bought is his to give away or sell at market price.I repeat: If you actually own the company, you are free to transform it into a charity. But if you sell shares of a company, you can't just tansform it into a charity after the fact. That would be tantamount to stealing the shares of those who are not on board with the transformation.
