According to my big brain calculations, Aztec human sacrifice in a normal year killed off as much of the population as did any of the bloodiest wars in European history. In other words, the Aztecs existed in the equivalent of a state of permanent, extremely bloody civil war, or the state of endemic tribal warfare characterizing more primitive societies. While other civilizations, however exploitative and violent they could be, imposed upon the masses a far greater peace than that known in primitive societies, the Aztec religious drive to aquire sacrifices essentially nullified this entire aspect of their civilization. On the other hand, the Aztecs experienced rapid population growth in the 15th century, probably because the aquisition of human sacrifices in staged battles didn't disrupt birth rates the way that a more general warfare would have. This allowed the extreme violence to continue in perpetuity without ever exhausting itself as drawn-out civil wars often do.
>>14770748I wouldn't trust fucking Cortes as a reliable source. These numbers have generally been revised to estimates of 11,000-20,000 per year. But yeah, regardless of the quibbling over numbers (20,000 per year is still insane), the Aztecs were cunts. Complete cunts. Their garland wars were a mechanism to keep constant warfare going and humilliate defeated enemies so they could never get their strenght back up. The Tlaxcaltecs in particular were the favourite Aztec punching bag, the Aztecs had conquered all the lands around them, they could have annexed them at any time, but they chose to keep the Tlaxcaltecs independent so they could spank them periodically and take captives. That's why they were really hated by the other peoples of Central Mexico... when the Spaniards arrived almost everyone sided with them, eager to take revenge... even their "Triple Alliance" "partners" in Texcoco would turn against them at the end. And of course the Tlaxcalans were the number one allies of the Spanish among the natives and slaughtered as many Aztecs as they could get away with.But above all, they were a shitty people because they accomplished nothing. Every knowledge they had was developed by the people before them... their calendar, astronomy, knowledge of agriculture, even their religion was a bastardization, it was all stolen from better peoples they conquered. And on many areas they regressed civilization, the Mixtecs who had lived in the region before them had a fairly developed writing system, but the Aztecs couldn't get any further than pictograms and illustrations.As impressive as Tenochtitlan was as a city, they were ultimately a barbarian people living off the accomplishments of their betters.
>>14770936A simple comparison between a Mayan codex with an actual well-developed writing system, with the Aztec codex featuring Aztec "writing" in the pic above. This one is hundreds of years older than the other one.
>>14770936>But above all, they were a shitty people because they accomplished nothing.Why does that matter? It's not a fucking 4x or grand strategy game for Christ's sake lol.
>>14770950I don't know how cultural relativism works nowadays, but historians generally don't look favorably on people that did nothing to advance civilization. Similar to the Assyrians or the Mongols they were simply cunts that usurped better civilizations.
>>14770936>I wouldn't trust fucking Cortes as a reliable sourceBecause you're an idiot.> These numbers have generally been revised to estimates of 11,000-20,000 per year.They've been tuned a notch down regardless of reality so that idiots like you don't get offended.>But yeah, regardless of the quibbling over numbersYou're a slimy piece of shit.>humilliate defeated enemies so they could never get their strenght back upNo you fucking retard. They sacrificed their own people every day. War conquests were an added bonus on top of the usual self sacrifice.>it was all stolen from better peoples they conqueredAlmost all the local groups during and prior to the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. Even the Inca did. The Maya seem to have been just as bad as the Aztecs and the Olmec, Zapotec, Toltec, Chimu, Moche etc all practiced pretty insane stuff.Almost as if it is genetically ingrained in that region and most concentrated in the Aztecs and Mayans.The Aztecs even had a whole priesthood that practiced cannibalism of their sacrifices every day so they didn't even need to eat normal food.So The Aztecs Tortured, sacrificed and ate - babies, children women and men.Approx~ 100 or more per day.Had an obsession with daily blood-letting. Parents seemingly enjoyed torturing their own children. Too much to list.Extreme head binding and deformation was common amongst the upper class.Permanent crossed-eyes was considered beautiful and was induced in children by forcing them to look at objects directly in front of their eyes as babies.Self-torture by pulling thorn ropes through holes in the leg, arms, tongue etc. It just on and on and on.They performed more human sacrifice than any other peoples in the history of man.They Probably also hold the record for cannibalism too since The Fijians and other Islander groups with well documented practices don't come close.Really the Aztecs are the closest thing to a culture of pure evil that you can get.
>>14770947>A simple comparison between a Mayan codex with an actual well-developed writing systemAnd it is still shit.And their calendrical system was laughably shit.all their blades were of stone with the rare native copper or gold.Their architecture on the other hand was impressive considering how technologically backwards they were. Makes sense that theywould care about having huge human sacrifice centers...
>>14770936>I wouldn't trust fucking Cortes There are multiple sources for the numbers given.And just to be clear, this isn't about the Aztec empire/Triple Alliance itself, but about the Aztec/Nahua civilization as a whole. The 20,000 - 60,000 number specifically comes from the average of 40 to 120 sacrifices in about 500 cities across the Mexican highlands, all of which was probably going on before Tenochtitlan conquered them. The excess sacrifices at Tenochtitlan aren't even taken into account.Personally, I think the Aztecs were highly as engineers and agriculturalists given stuff like their management of Lake Texcoco (and I'd say the same about the Assyrians who had pretty impressive aquaducts and stuff). Mesoamerica reached its demographic height under the Aztecs, and in most ways I'd say they were far more impressive than the likes of Teotihuacan. The problem was the Mesoamerican religion, not the Aztecs specifically.>>14771057>They performed more human sacrifice than any other peoples in the history of manI suspect some West Africans came close, although its hard to find numbers.
>>14771088>suspect some West Africans came close, although its hard to find numbers.Archaeologically speaking there are more mass human sacrifice graves in Egypt and Sudan then the whole of sub Saharan Africa
>>14771205Bodies don't survive well in the rainforest. There are plenty of accounts of human sacrifice in West Africa, Uganda and other regions, sometimes on a massive scale, in kingdoms with much smaller populations than the Aztecs.
>>14770748Do you have any peer-reviewed studies or historical evidence to back up this assertion?
>>14771057>>I wouldn't trust fucking Cortes as a reliable source>Because you're an idiot.>> These numbers have generally been revised to estimates of 11,000-20,000 per year.>They've been tuned a notch down regardless of reality so that idiots like you don't get offended.t. Trusts that every historical battle involved armies of hundreds of thousands of soldiers with most of the loser’s army being annihilated.
>>14771465shut up kike
a literal demonic cult, the religious pollution must have lured Spaniards fresh out of reconquista across the Atlantic to end the abomination that was emerging
>>14770748Still doesn't come close to the number of humans sacrificed in the 20th century under the banner of socialism.
>>14770748The Spanish Conquest of the Americas was a glorious quest to bring God's love to literal demon-worshippers. The Spaniards baptized them, gave them Christian names, and taught them the gospel, freeing them from the tyranny of their priests and superstitions.It was a Holy Crusade to liberate an entire continent, that today has been villified and maligned. That so many natives embraced Christianity and dropped their demonic false gods shows there was a yearning for freedom and redemption. The Spanish Conquest should be conmemorated as a festivity again and not some bullshit day of remembrance.
>>14772665Too bad about the smallpox crap though.
>>14772707That's biology though. It would have happened regardless at one point or another unless you expected the Americas to remain undiscovered and isolated up to the present.
>>14771057>Parents seemingly enjoyed torturing their own children. Too much to list.what?
>>14772751Not him, but the priests of Tlaloc believed the God of Rain could only be nourished through children's tears. Before sacrificing the children, they would cause bone infections and allow them to fester or pull their nails to cause them to cry for days. Parents were totally OK with this.I am not making this shit up, it was probably the must fucked up religion on Earth.
>>14772775Ok i will not even ask for more
>>14770936>As impressive as Tenochtitlan was as a city, they were ultimately a barbarian people living off the accomplishments of their betters.This. Pretty much everything "Aztec" was ripped off from established Mesoamerican civilizations.>>14771057>They've been tuned a notch down regardless of reality so that idiots like you don't get offended.You will never fix your border. You will never get rid of millions of Mexicans and using Aztecs as a proxy for your nationalist hatred of Mexicans is just hot air.
>>14771662>Trusts that every historical battle involved armies of hundreds of thousands of soldiers with most of the loser’s army being annihilated.There is nothing to "trust" here anon. It makes perfect logical sense to everyone but you. There are historical battles even more one-sided than this and they involve technological equals unlike the fall of Tenochtitlan.>>14771465>1+1=2>Do you have any peer-reviewed studies or historical evidence to back up this assertion?>>14772707>Too bad about the smallpox crap though.ChristTard -> "It was gods gift you see!!">>14772259>Still doesn't come close to the number of humans sacrificed in the 20th century under the banner of socialism.Well no, Some socialist regimes were worse (if you disregard the method of killing) for a shorter period of time but the Aztecs still come out ahead because they practiced human sacrifice over a longer period of time. For Example.Khmer Rouge/PolPot 1975-19792 million Deaths out of the 7.8 million population so approx 25.6% of the population killed total.So 6.4% killed per annum.The Aztecs sustainably sacrificed/ate 1% of their population every year and had presumably been doing so for hundreds of years.So they could kill 100% of their population over 100 years from 1400 to 1500 AD.>>14772785>This. Pretty much everything "Aztec" was ripped off from established Mesoamerican civilizations.You're samefagging anon. I can tell.>You will never fix your border.Yep, Mexicans running away from their own people.>You will never get rid of millions of Mexicans and using Aztecs as a proxy for your nationalist hatred of Mexicans is just hot air.So you're pro cannibalism, pro human sacrifice, pro Cartel killing and pro crime in general.You see anon. This is why your country is shit.This is why Mexicans hate Mexicans. This is why they can't stand living next to each other.
>>14772744It's often argued that harsh colonial conditions like forced labour exacerbated the mortality rate. But if that's true, I'd expect to see big differences in the death rate between conquered peoples and the likes of the Tlaxcalans and other Spanish allies, and as far I can tell Tlaxcala was hit as hard as anywhere else. Nobody really knows what caused cocoliztli.
>>14773040>cocoliztliHere's an interesting studyhttps://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21485"Collapse of Aztec society linked to catastrophic salmonella outbreak."Makes sense since they didn't have soap and wiped their bums with the left hand. Washing in water obviously doesn't sterilize hands.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-03/ancient-tower-of-skulls-unearthed-under-mexico-city/8672458https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5893933/The-horror-Aztec-tower-skulls-revealed.html
>>14771075>And it is still shit.As someone who knows japanese it isn't, their writing is extremely impressive, specially considering that they created all by themselves, if only their books hadn't been burned by a bunch of subhuman spaniards
>>14773489It's absolute shit... You don't know Japanese....You're not an archeologist....You're not an anthropologist...And what ever else you wish to openly fib about.
https://www.science.org/content/article/feeding-gods-hundreds-skulls-reveal-massive-scale-human-sacrifice-aztec-capital
>>14770936>And on many areas they regressed civilization, the Mixtecs who had lived in the region before them had a fairly developed writing system,That's a complete lie, the Mixtec writing system was literally the exact same thing as the Aztec one. You're confusing them with the zapotecs, whose developed writing system fell out of use hundreds of years before the Aztecs arrived in the Valley of Mexico.
>>14772775>>14772751>The festival of Tozoztontli (24 March – 12 April) similarly involved child sacrifice. During this festival, the children were sacrificed in caves. The flayed skins of sacrificial victims that had been worn by priests for the last twenty days were taken off and placed in these dark, magical caverns.Can you imagine this shit? This is the stuff you'd see in a film about fucked up serial killers. The PRIESTS flay the skin from a bunch of children, then walk around WEARING IT for the better part of the next month.
>>14773631lol and which of those are you? Nothing, you are just an autist incel raging on an anime imageboard about back on the envelope calculations you did on mspaint about the scale of Aztec sacrifice. You are a joke, faggot.And yes people that know this stuff appreciate Mayan script as a well-developed writing system.
>>14770936>>14772785>It was all stolen from better civilizations>This. Pretty much everything "Aztec" was ripped off from established Mesoamerican civilizations.Nigger the estabilished Civilizations they "ripped" everything from, that is the local central mexican nahua, also did the same thing to the region's previous oto-manguean speaking Civilizations, arguably in an even worse fashion than the Aztecs since they actually waged war against them and straight up took over their city-states on occasion. And even said oto-manguean speakers ultimately probably got all their civilization from previous cultures like the OlmecBe like >>14771057 and shit on every single indio instead, it's way better than pretending the aztecs were any worse than any of the peoples they conquered when every single one of those were regularly butchering children to honor Tlaloc as well
Being a conquistador would have been literally the most righteous life, to have been able to kill monsters, literally evil incarnate, without some dumbfuck pussy crying over them like nowadays if this were to happen
>>14773811We are not arguing about the morality of the Mesoamerican civilizations, they were all depraved as shit. But that doesn't mean you can't appreciate technological contributions and cultural achievements or the lack of thereof in the case of the Aztecs.Like you can't even express admiration for Mayan script (a written language that is as complex as Japanese) without being accused of being a baby killer that wears children's flayed skins? Get a grip.
Can someone educated on the topic enlighten me with a broad overview of Mesoamerican religious history? Particularly in regards to pre-Aztec times, because I'm pretty certain that the indians of central and south america weren't totally obsessed with cutting out the beating hearts of thousands of people for Huitzilopochtli for the thousands of years of history BEFORE the Aztecs came along
>>14773822Mayans commited a lot of Human sacrifice and similarly depraved shit but it wasn't as widespread in terms of numbers. But they did it a lot, and it got worse as the influence of Central Mexico spread on their lands due to conquest and trade.Incas were more chill, they did some limited Human sacrifice but it was mostly after a some big civilizational event (new Emperor being appointed, new royal heir being born, etc.). The Inca stuff is not that much different in scale to some ancient civilizations like the Carthaginians.
>>14773822Human sacrifice was a thing across every single mesoamerican culture since the Olmecs, the only new thing the Aztecs introduced was cutting off the hearts of enemy soldiers every single day instead of just the heart of slaves (including women and children) and enemy nobles during holidays and war. My guess as to why it happened is that it was quite simply something the very first cultures in the region did and they just never felt it was necessary to stop doing, unlike their counterparts in the Old World.
>>14773839>>14773832well obviously human sacrifice was always there but I'm not talking about the "this evil demon we worship needs 10,000 flayed children on his desk by tomorrow morning or else he'll below up the earth" shit that the aztecs were up toalso I'm interested in the broader theology of their gods and ritual beyond human sacrifice, surely they have gods of fertility and rain and the moon and and money and so forth
>>14773819>cultural achievements or the lack of thereof in the case of the Aztecs.Is the whole of Tenochtitlan not a cultural achievement for you? Do they not personally coming up with the knowledge that they used to achieve it for the simple fact that it was already there enough to negate all of it?
>>14773852I did say Tenochtitlan was quite impressive.Then again so was Nineveh.
>>14773848I'd say outside the Human Sacrifice bit, their religion was more or less typical, everyone had an altar, they had elaborate Holidays and religious festivals (which were not in fact composed only of sacrifice) in which they did stuff like plant flags around the city and make statues of their gods out of Amaranth dough so that they could ritually eat it, they danced around in elaborate funny costumes, shit like that. Their religion more or less revolved around their relationship with the gods, of which human sacrifice was a central part of course. I'd tell you more detailed shit but it's been a long fucking time since i read about them and i don't remember most of itOn a sidenote, i think it's interesting how mesoamericans are seem as the stereotypical "mysterious civilization we know next to nothing about" in modern western culture despite the fact that we definetly know way more details about them and their religion than shit like Norse Pagans, who are fucking everywhere in pop culture and who people act like we know everything about.
>>14772665The spanish discovered had a silver mine literally nicknamed 'mountain of death'
>>14773919>On a sidenote, i think it's interesting how mesoamericans are seem as the stereotypical "mysterious civilization we know next to nothing about" in modern western culture despite the fact that we definetly know way more details about them and their religion than shit like Norse Pagans, who are fucking everywhere in pop culture and who people act like we know everything about.oh yeah it's totally bizarre, we have good records of priests recording their cultural practices as objectively as possible, meanwhile practically everything known about Norse paganism is archaeological speculation and Snorri Sturlusson's attempt to rehabilitate their mythology through a Christian lens - hell, even Greco-Roman religion is a bit of a real-world myth because we base almost all our knowledge of it off of the very late development of Hesiod and Homer who revolutionized (one might say reorganized) Hellenic religion into its recognizable form for the sake of what amounts to fanfiction
>>14770748>savages were savage im shocked
>>14773822https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_pre-Columbian_cultureshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OlmecsThe Olmecs were around at least 4000 years ago or 2000 BC.They are the earliest known major Mesoamerican civilization.>>14773819No, YOU don't care about morality and YOU don't want anybody to know about the fucked up shit.YOU want everyone to admire YOUR primitive stone-age crap just because it's Mesoamerican.>>14773832>Mayans commited a lot of Human sacrifice and similarly depraved shit but it wasn't as widespread in terms of numbers. But they did it a lotDude. Nothing indicates that they weren't just as bad. Their art/decorated skulls, head-binding, bloodletting etc. It's like an older version of the Aztecs.>>14773832>Incas were more chill, they did some limited Human sacrifice but it was mostly after a some big civilizational eventNo, it was a yearly occurrence of multiple children."Children selected for sacrifice in capacocha ceremonies were of both sexes, and were provided to the state as tribute by local communities on a yearly basis. No region was exempt from the recruitment of these child sacrifices; they could come from any region of the empire."Also the Chimu / Chinor. A group taken over by the Inca sacrificed hundreds of children in big events.https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/apr/28/largest-known-child-sacrifice-site-discovered-in-peruhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimor>>14773809>lol and which of those are you?I'm none of them. I don't lie, unlike you.>you are just an autist incel raging on an anime imageboard about back on the envelope calculations you did on mspaint about the scale of Aztec sacrifice. You are a joke, faggotCry me a river for your god. Aztec Savage...
>>14773945>YOU don't want anybody to know about the fucked up shit.Hey, retard, I'm not Mesoamerican. I bumped YOUR shitty thread with a well-intentioned comment and you sperged out from the very first post calling me a piece of shit. You are not well in the head.If I wasn't interested in people talking about this, I would have allowed your thread to die it was like in page 7 before I bumped it and breathed life into it.Of course I didn't know you would sperg out like a schizo.
>>14773848>"this evil demon we worship needs 10,000 flayed children on his desk by tomorrow morning or else he'll below up the earth"And as for that, the theology behind human sacrifice was less "appeasing scary monster" and more something like upholding their end of a bargain. The gods protect them and gave them shit necessary to exist and have a civilization and literally created the universe, so they pay them back. The K'iche Maya of what is now Guatemala for example believed that the patron deity of their specific city-state taught them how to make fire, and in exchange he demanded the right to have their blood (as in ritual bloodletting) and the hearts of their enemies. The theological justification for the continuous expansion of the Aztec Triple Alliance and the human sacrifice culture that was particular to Tenochtitlan centered around the idea that the sun was under constant attack by demons and that their patron deity, Huitzilopochtli, held them back, so the enemy warriors they sacrificed would keep Huitzilopochtli fighting and the sun (and therefore the world) around.
>>14773919>I'd say outside the Human Sacrifice bit, their religion was more or less typical, everyone had an altarWTF... Outside of the main feature of their whole religion? Yeah dude, every civilization had a....Techcatl — Mesoamerican sacrifice altar.(sarcasm)...>had elaborate Holidays and religious festivals (which were not in fact composed only of sacrifice)But they all involved human sacrifice...> make statues of their gods out of Amaranth dough so that they could ritually eat itRitualistic cannibalism...>they danced around in elaborate funny costumes.Whilst piecing their bodies with sharp implements to bleed in front of temples to feed their gods.
Interesting thread
>>14773968The guy i was replying to specifically asked for stuff outside of human sacrifice, so i gave him.>But they all involved human sacrifice...But they weren't exclusively composed of human sacrifice.
>>14773945>Children selected for sacrifice in capacocha ceremonies were of both sexes, and were provided to the state as tribute by local communities on a yearly basis. No region was exempt from the recruitment of these child sacrifices; they could come from any region of the empire."That same page you took that line from, says that the sacrifices were done on big events, like I said. You didn't link the article because you knew there were parts that contradicted the line you are trying to push.So much for not lying...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacocha>Capacocha ceremonies took place under several circumstances. Some could be undertaken as the result of key events in the life of the Sapa Inca, the Inca Emperor, such as his ascension to the throne, an illness, his death, the birth of a son. At other times, Capacocha ceremonies were undertaken to stop natural disasters performed as major festivals or processions at important ceremonial sites.>Archaeologically, the evidence to support sacrifices at that scale is lacking. Bauer, In his fieldwork among the wak’akuna of Cuzco, found surface evidence of human burial at three shrines, but nothing approaching the thousands of victims described in the chronicles has yet been reported.There's 6 such sacrifices found in the archeological record total, so the evidence it was a common ocurrence is scant.
>>14773959You have no good intentions.You're a liar, an idiot, a cultural relativistand revisionist.You want everybody to love your idiotic, evil, disgusting people. >>14773982>The guy i was replying to specifically asked for stuff outside of human sacrificeWell there isn't any...>>14773982>But they weren't exclusively composed of human sacrificeGreat, they really changes things...>>14773994>That same page you took that line from, says that the sacrifices were done on big eventsBut it was YEARLY.It happened EVERY YEAR.REGARDLESS OF EVENTS...MUTLIPLE CHINDREN EVERY YEAR...DO YOU UNDERSTAND???>>14773994>so the evidence it was a common ocurrence is scant.LITERALLY SAID THEY SACRIFICED MULTIPLE CHILDREN EVERY YEAR.Six recovered bodies isn't scant, that is more than enough evidence that they did sacrifice children often over a large period of time.
>>14773959You have no good intentions.You're a liar, an idiot, a cultural relativistand revisionist.You want everybody to love your idiotic, evil, pet culture.>>14773982>The guy i was replying to specifically asked for stuff outside of human sacrificeWell there isn't any...>>14773982>But they weren't exclusively composed of human sacrificeGreat, that really changes things...>>14773994>That same page you took that line from, says that the sacrifices were done on big eventsIt was YEARLY.It happened EVERY YEAR.REGARDLESS OF EVENTS...MUTLIPLE CHILDREN SACRIFICED EVERY YEAR...DO YOU UNDERSTAND???>>14773994>so the evidence it was a common ocurrence is scant.LITERALLY SAID THEY SACRIFICED MULTIPLE CHILDREN EVERY YEAR.Six recovered bodies isn't scant, that is more than enough evidence that they did sacrifice children often over a large period of time.
>>14774047>You want everybody to love your idiotic, evil, pet culture.I wanted to have a comfy thread about this topic but apparently you are too autistic for that. Nobody thinks these were good cultures. Nobody thinks a culture that wants to nourish the God of Rain with childrens' tears is nothing but evil.>LITERALLY SAID THEY SACRIFICED MULTIPLE CHILDREN EVERY YEAR.You do know historical accounts often contradict each other and that's why historians have to sort out through them to get to the truth, right? Then again you are taking Cortes as gospel for your calculations so perhaps you don't.
>>14773945>>14773962So there really wasn't anything else to Mesoamerican religion besides grisly mass murder?
>>14774067>Then again you are taking Cortes as gospel for your calculations so perhaps you don't.I'm OP, not him. I didn't take Cortes as 'gospel', I quoted a study that compared different sources and concluded that Cortes was roughly accurate, while dismissing more over the top claims like Diaz's claim of multipe sacrifices each day.
>>14773819>Mayan script (a written language that is as complex as Japanese)Peak Delusion...Peak Idiocy...>>14774067>I wanted to have a comfy threadNo, you openly lied because you are a relativist and revisionist. That's the only reason you're here.>You do know historical accounts often contradict each other and that's why...See, everything you don't like and wish to lie about suddenly becomes "questionable evidence" and everything you like is perfect evidence.>>14774090>So there really wasn't anything else to Mesoamerican religion besides grisly mass murder?Nope...Even their famous latex rubber ball game involved sacrificing the loser. Also -"Even without human sacrifice, the game could be brutal and there were often serious injuries inflicted by the solid, heavy ball. Today's hip-ulama players are "perpetually bruised" while nearly 500 years ago Spanish chronicler Diego Durán reported that some bruises were so severe that they had to be lanced open. He also reported that players were even killed when the ball "hit them in the mouth or the stomach or the intestines"
>>14770748It doesn't matter, chud. We should respect all cultures. The spanish had no right to destroy their civilization just because they did some sacrifices.
>>14774099Well that guy is ruining your thread and making you look like an idiot with his sperging out, OP.
>>14774113>Well that guy is ruining your thread and making you look like an idiot with his sperging out, OP.He Is literally saying that Cortez was accurate whilst you've been saying that he isn't accurate.
>>14774109>It doesn't matter, chud. We should respect all cultures. The spanish had no right to destroy their civilization just because they did some sacrifices.Dude.At Tenochtitlan in 1521 the battle consisted of200,000 Natives + 1400 SpanishVS300,000 AztecsSo the Natives who hated the Aztecs didn't have a right to Destroy the Aztecs that were sacrificing and eating them?
jesus christ another fucking retard without reading comprehensionthe aztecs RULED OVER 500 cities, THOSE ARE THE CITIES THAT PROVIDED THE VICTIMS NOT THE CITIES THAT SACRIFICED THEMjesus fucking christthe point of the flowers wars was exactly not to hurt the population too muchthey had a "battle" few casualties, low numbers, losers become slaves and partially sacrificed over a period of time as some sorta social darwinism, you lost you are inferiorfuck this board and fuck you you fucking imbecile poltard brown subhumans
>>14774124Nobody knows if he was accurate or not, but historians generally don't rely only on primary sources alone because they often contradict each other or even deliberately lie or omit stuff. (Cortes for example started out his expedition as a mutineer from the Crown, and even had Medina, the guy who was meant to replace him, killed. This isn't mentioned in his accounts.)The figure of 15,000-20,000 per year is the revised estimate given by some modern historians I've read. It doesn't mean it's the truth either, but I'd tend to trust them over a primary source.http://fubini.swarthmore.edu/~ENVS2/colin/Aztec_Religion.html
>>14774162>THOSE ARE THE CITIES THAT PROVIDED THE VICTIMS NOT THE CITIES THAT SACRIFICED THEMWrong...>fuck this board and fuck you you fucking imbecile poltard brown subhumansYou're literrally the subhuman that is lying to defend historical subhumans...
>>14774166>Nobody knows if he was accurate or notNope, you simply don't like it, that's it.That's all there is to you.
>>14774177Whatever dude, I'm out of this thread.I said their civilization was awful from the first post. I posted the info about Tlaloc. I'm not out to defend their shitty fucked up religion.Not feeding any more (You)s, have fun sperging out at any poster that asks something in good faith.
>>14774192Have fun getting upset at people who criticize your bullshit in other threads anon.
>>14774174wrong how? imbecile brown fuckface, how, fuck you and die in cancer>you know we defeated you but actually, we just gona give you back the dudes you can sacrifice, so you maybe win next time hahafucking sperg
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/120829-aztec-sacrifice-templo-mayor-bones-archaeologyVENERABLE BONESSixteen feet (five meters) below street level in Mexico City, archaeologists have found a jumble of 1,789 bones from children, teenagers, and adults along with the complete skeleton of a young woman.The burial, dating to the 1480s, lies at the foot of the main temple in the sacred ceremonial precinct of the Aztec capital, Tenochtitlan, founded by the Aztecs in 1325. The Aztecs dominated central Mexico until falling to Spanish conquistadores in 1521.Although several burials with multiple remains have been uncovered previously in this precinct, this is the first that includes human bones from such a wide span of ages.The discovery offers a rare opportunity to study Aztec funerary rituals and religious beliefs. Few burials from that culture have come to light, most likely because they lie beneath modern buildings.(Related: "Unburying the Aztec.")—A.R. WilliamsPHOTOGRAPH BY HÉCTOR MONTAÑO, INAH/AP
>>14774210>wrong how? imbecile brown fuckface, how, fuck you and die in cancer>>you know we defeated you but actually, we just gona give you back the dudes you can sacrifice, so you maybe win next time haha>fucking spergCalm down anon... Breath in breath out...
https://phys.org/news/2015-10-mexican-site-yields-sacrifice-spaniards.htmlhttps://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/the-tomb-at-zultapec/20/
They were a pretty cool civilization and we're worth preserving but the stupid spanish retards had to ruin it like they ruined their own country. Just go to Spain and you'll see every second person is 65 years old and can't speak English
>>14774162That's not what it says at all. It says there were 40-120 sacrifices going on annually at each temple complex, of which there was at least one in each city. Cortes, whose numbers are backed by other sources like Sahagun, was specifically talking about the cities of the gulf coast since he hadn't reached Tenochtitlan yet when he was writing.>>14774166>The figure of 15,000-20,000 per year is the revised estimate This number seems to be about the sacrifices in Tenochtitlan, not those carried out across the Aztec world. I looked up the article it's citing to confirm this:>It is impossible even to estimate numbers of sacrificial victims prior to this period with any accuracy, but the later fifteenth century, when the borders of Aztec influence were expanding, seems to have been the peak of sacrificial practice in Tenochtitlan with an annual number of victims of perhaps between 1,000 and 20,000.This is a competely seperate question to the number of sacrifices carried out in the other 500 cities, but if the higher numbers are true then Tenochtitlan alone might have doubled the number of human sacrifices going on in the empire. 20,000 to 60,000 across the empire, plus 1,000 to 20,000 in Tenochtitlan, so between 21,000 and 80,000 over all. Very wide margin of error, but even the lower numbers are enormous.
>>14774151The natives got destroyed in the end through biological weapons so it would have been better if the Aztecs had stayed alive, maybe everyone could have tanked the biological weapons more effectively
>>14774341These days you barely get the death penalty for anything in any country. You get like 5 years of prison and then you're back out. There is no large scale human sacrifice anymore. Only Canada has implemented an euthanasia system. Maybe they can bring back the kino industrial human sacrifice.
>>14771057>Parents seemingly enjoyed torturing their own children. Too much to list.>Self-torture by pulling thorn ropes through holes in the leg, arms, tongue etc.The Aztecs sound like irl Dark Eldar.
>>14774151The natives who destroyed the Aztecs regularly ate and sacrificed other natives themselves
>>14774360One can dream.
>>14774109It was the Spanish culture to convert pagans to Catholicism. It is an imperative in their religion as much as human sacrifice was an imperative in the aztec religion. You must respect the Spanish religion's aspect of conversion if you are going to respect the Aztec religion's human sacrifices.
>>14774106>Even their famous latex rubber ball game involved sacrificing the loser.It didn't though, that's literally a pop culture trope from some movie, the spanish never made mention of such a thing and the only depictions of the ballgame being coupled with sacrifice are most likely mythological and symbolic in context, the loser getting sacrificed wouldn't even make sense since being sacrificed was generally not seen as a punishment in their culture
>>14774371The Tlaxcalans were described as being similar in government to Genoa and Venice by their ally Cortez and so they were republics of some kind in contrast with Aztec monarchy. Additionally in contrast with the Aztec with their nobility and commoners, the Tlaxcala were much more egalitarian with much smaller sizes of difference between the size of dwellings upon excavation so there was not as much of a glaring class divide. Therefore even if you completely discount the notion of human sacrifice as a widely accepted religious thing nobody had a problem with, there was still many reasons to prefer the Spanish allies over the Aztec.
>>14773815>dies in a cold jail in spain like nuño beltran de guzman
>>14774343>so it would have been better if the Aztecs had stayed aliveAh, no. They should have died and you're insane if you think nobody would have contacted Mexico in the remaining 500 years and brought common non-lethal diseases from Asia / Europe. The mere act of administering a vaccine would expose them to disease from the person administering the vaccine. It's like the futile task of preventing the spread of Covid. Spanish disease wasn't a biological weapon. Someone coughing near me doesn't make them a biological weapons manufacturer.>>14774360>There is no large scale human sacrifice anymoreThe death penalty for a crime isn't human sacrifice. Voluntary Euthanasia isn't human sacrifice.>You get like 5 years of prison and then you're back out.In Sweden it's 10 to 18 years minimum for murder or a life sentence.>>14774368>The Aztecs sound like irl Dark Eldar.Haha, yeah exactly. Unbelievably/comically dark almost. You wonder how Mesoamericans came up with half of it. What drugs they were doing lol.>>14774401>It didn't thoughIt did... You're lying again...You can't help yourself.
>>14774425https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_ballgame"Maya cultures, where the most explicit depictions of human sacrifice can be seen on the ballcourt panel--for example at El Tajin (850-1100 CE) and at Chichen Itza (900-1200 CE)-as well as on the decapitated ballplayer stelae from the Classic Veracruz site of Aparicio (700-900 CE). The Postclassic Maya religious and quasi-historical narrative, the Popol Vuh, also links human sacrifice with the ballgame.""Captives were often shown in Maya art, and it is assumed that these captives were sacrificed after losing a rigged ritual ballgame.Rather than nearly nude and sometimes battered captives, however, the ballcourts at El Tajin and Chichen Itza show the sacrifice of practiced ballplayers, perhaps the captain of a team. Decapitation is particularly associated with the ballgame--severed heads are featured in much Late Classic ballgame art and appear repeatedly in the Popol Vuh. There has been speculation that the heads and skulls were used as balls."
>>14774492>and it is assumed thatPay attention to thid. Riddle me this, why didn't Diego de Landa, the notoriously fanatic spaniard in charge of converting the Maya, never mention the ballgame being linked with human sacrifice? Why does that wikipedia article have to rely on assumptions, art and mythology? Even if the depictions that do exist aren't purely symbolic or fictional and the Maya of the classical period in specific did in fact couple the ballgame with sacrifice, it very clearly wasn't an universal part of the game like you implied in your first post, as no culture did it by the time the spanish arrived and even in the classical period there is no evidence to support it beyond the Maya and neighboring classic Veracruz culture.Also, the Popol Vuh doesn't have sacrifice during the ballgame, people are killed when they happen to be playing it during its narrative, but it's definetly not presented as an actual part of the game's rules.
>>14774520>people are killed when they happen to be playing it during its narrativeThis also specifically only happens on the purely mythological part of the Popol Vuh, the part where the god twins battle against demons and travel to the underworld to fight its rulers, whoever wrote that wikipedia page should probably specify that.
>>14774397>It was the Spanish culture to convert pagans to Catholicism. It is an imperative in their religion as much as human sacrifice was an imperative in the aztec religion. You must respect the Spanish religion's aspect of conversion if you are going to respect the Aztec religion's human sacrifices.Haha, that is an excellent rebuttal and an obvious point lost on many, and it's being generous because it isn't even a fair comparison.
>>14774551>>14774520Mayans killed their ball players and the Aztecs played the same ball game. Sorry if that hurts your feelings anon.
>>14774574Do you have the specific line from Diego de Landa or Sahagun or any other of the many spaniards who recorded every detail they could about their cultures that states someone was sacrificed at the end of a ballgame? Or do you think a cartoon and a wikipedia article is enough proof, the same wikipedia that lists Maya Civilization as being "bronze age south asian"?Tell me, why can't anyone even seen to agree whether the losers or the winners were the ones who were sacrificed?
>>14774599So sorry anon. I know it hurts to know that Mayans sacrificed their ball plays and that the sacrifice obsessed Aztecs also played the same game.
>>14774599So sorry anon. I know it hurts to know that Mayans sacrificed their ball players and that the sacrifice obsessed Aztecs also played the same game.
>>14774631>and that the sacrifice obsessed Aztecs also played the same game.Then why did no spaniard never mention it?
>>14774637>Then why did no spaniard never mention it?But anon you don't think the Spanish are a reliable source....Did the Spanish see every single facet of their culture before it was destroyed?
I will NEVER understand this, Yeah I know it was population control, Yeah I know it was to keep their subjects weak and I know it was their only source of red meat...But what kinds of pansy weak sissy "gods" need so much sacrifice to even do the most basic crap? they are the weakest most stupid gods in all pantheons. Literally carnivorous vampires.
>>14774715They believed the Gods had sacrificed themselves to create Humanity. And that, as incorporeal forms, they were now locked in a battle to prevent the world from ending. So the sacrifice was a way to "pay them back" for creating humanity and give them strenght to prevent the world's end.
>>14770748>On the other hand, the Aztecs experienced rapid population growth in the 15th century, probably because the aquisition of human sacrifices in staged battles didn't disrupt birth rates the way that a more general warfare would have. This allowed the extreme violence to continue in perpetuity without ever exhausting itself as drawn-out civil wars often do.Did Aztecs sacrifice primarily their own populstion?
>>14774569A good counter-point is that due to the Spaniard's religion's imperative to convert pagans, they were going to convert them regardless of how terrible their religion, and the Spaniard's arguing that the Aztec religion was terrible was disengunous because they wouldn't have cared if it was all sunshine and rainbows because they would have still tried to convert them.The counter-counter-point is that because the Aztec religion was so terrible that made it incredibly easy to do it in this particular case.
>>14774727It seems like christianity is a natural fit for their religion then because it has a god that sacrificed itself for humanity in order to bring an end to the religious requirement for sacrifices. Given the pagan propensity to adopt foreign gods into their pantheon they certainly would not reject that concept outright. The only issue for the Catholics after that would be syncretism where Jesus is merely worshipped alongside other gods, but it doesn't seem that hard to replace the concepts of those prior gods with the concept of saint veneration where those gods that sacrificed themselves for humanity were merely saints who lived long ago.
>>14774730>Did Aztecs sacrifice primarily their own populstion?Yes>>14774715>Yeah I know it was population controlIt had that effect but it was completely unintentional. If anything they wanted a larger population so they could further expand their empire.>I know it was their only source of red meatThey could have eaten a whole bunch of different animals but they specifically chose human flesh.>>14774742And the Aztecs were going to Kill Cortez and enemy natives regardless of what religion or beliefs they had.Kind of funny how you think religious conversion is directly comparable to human sacrifice.You clearly didn't understand the original point.It is silly if you expect people to accept Aztec cannibalism and human sacrifice but not accept forceful Spanish conversion to Christianity.
>>14774784I don't think human sacrifice and conversion are equivalent, I'm just saying that even if you don't care about the particularities of a religion the Aztec were still doomed and not long for this world. The Spanish had an easier time implementing the requirements of their religion because of the requirements of the implementation of the Aztec religion. There were other people who took much longer to convert or didn't even convert at all.
Mesoanon here, you're all idiots, the thread has a ton of misinformation about Aztec society and achievements, and OP's methodology/calc's for sacrifice totals have a lot of issues.That being said I actually think 20k to 60k sacrifices per year "for the empire" is a reasonable range, it's just the way you're getting to it is wrong and overly complex. I also think 5-6m people for "the empire"'s total population is also probably an underestimation, so the "% of the total population" figure is also probably off. I'll reply in more depth later.
>>14774795>>14774755Ok yeah, I understand where you're coming from now. Agree 100%.Would have been nice if the Spanish let the locals keep their own religion after defeating the Aztecs but outlawed human sacrifice for thirty years or something before just allowing them to be an autonomous trading partner.Instead of just wrecking MesoAmerica in search of gold.>>14774813>Mesoanon here, you're all idiotsNo, you're a samefagging piece of shit that has decided to come back with a new imaginary identity.>the thread has a ton of misinformation about Aztec society and achievementsYou don't like it because it hurts your feelings.>OP's methodology/calc's for sacrifice totals have a lot of issues.You have issues with people talking about Aztec Human Sacrifice.>That being said I actually think 20k to 60k sacrifices per year "for the empire" is a reasonable range.Well then what are you complaining about? You're been passive aggressive and just contradicted yourself.>it's just the way you're getting to it is wrong and overly complex. It's basic mathematics anon. Hard I know.>I also think 5-6m people for "the empire"'s total population is also probably an underestimation.Feel free to make up a completely impossible number like 25 million if that satisfies your current emotional state.>"% of the total population" figure is also probably off.>I'll reply in more depth later.I highly doubt you have anything value to say.
>>14774795>>14774755Ok yeah, I understand where you're coming from now. Agree 100%.Would have been nice if the Spanish let the locals keep their own religion after defeating the Aztecs but outlawed human sacrifice for thirty years or something before just allowing them to be an autonomous trading partner.Instead of just wrecking Mesoamerica in search of gold.>>14774813>Mesoanon here, you're all idiotsNo, you're a samefagging piece of shit that has decided to come back with a new imaginary identity.>the thread has a ton of misinformation about Aztec society and achievementsYou don't like it because it hurts your feelings.>OP's methodology/calc's for sacrifice totals have a lot of issues.You have issues with people talking about Aztec human sacrifice.>That being said I actually think 20k to 60k sacrifices per year "for the empire" is a reasonable range.Well then what are you complaining about? You're being passive aggressive and just contradicted yourself.>it's just the way you're getting to it is wrong and overly complex.It's basic mathematics anon. Hard I know.>I also think 5-6m people for "the empire"'s total population is also probably an underestimation.Feel free to make up a completely impossible number like 25 million if that satisfies your current emotional state.>"% of the total population" figure is also probably off.>I'll reply in more depth later.I highly doubt you have anything of value to say.
>>14774856Why do you post everything twice?
>>14770748such a perfectly balanced and lasting systemand people still call them uncivilized
>>14770956
Filthy skin = low lifeform
Based.But we should have killed more Tlaxcalans dogs.
>>14770936>The Tlaxcaltecs in particular were the favourite Aztec punching bag, the Aztecs had conquered all the lands around them, they could have annexed them at any time, but they chose to keep the TlaxcaltecsTlaxcalans weren't innocent angels as portrayed by hispanophile historiography. They launched many unprovoked attacks against Texcoco & they wiped out the original people that lived in what is now Tlaxcala.>>14770936>Every knowledge they had was developed by the people before them... their calendar, astronomy, knowledge of agriculture, even their religion was a bastardization, it was all stolen from better peoples they conquered. And on many areas they regressed civilization,The tenochca recorded the huehuetlahtolli (ancient wisdom) which are composed of extensive books of code of conducts. No other mesoamerican nation came up with something as refined like that.
>>14771075Everybody in mesoamerica had bronze, lets not keep repeating the stone-tools nonsense on /his/.I'll just post this and let other people draw their own conclusions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaximaltepoztli
>>14773631Saying sonething is shit is not really an argument. You're not explaining or proving anything.
Saxons, vikings, celts, gauls, they all sacrificed people and nobody cries about it on /his everyday like a little baby, but when brown people does it oh boy is it bad, its terrible.
>>14775977Bronze and gold weaponry and shields were common before the epi-classic (mexica period). There were also small bronze swords. However, obsidian was way sharper and quickly replaced all these weapons. But the spaniards were able to witness them in the tenochtitlan weapon depot giving an extensive description which I am too lazy to post.
>>14774425Why would the feudal monarchy of spain choose a more egalitarian partner??
>>14770936Cortes gives a number of 4000 per year, from the horse's mouth supposedly. If you trust him as a source. Plus a number of 5 million for the entire nahua area / mesoamerica is really small. archaeological evidence doesn't support numbers in the tens of thousands per year - bones are only found in groups of dozens and the main tzompantli, which was built over decades, is much smaller than it was supposed to be - the large section that was found had only 600 skulls. Extrapolating to the whole rack puts in in the thousands (again, built over decades)Why aren't you including all religious european wars, or pogroms too? and considering that the aztecs sacrificed prisoners from every war they fought - shouldn't we just be comparing who fought the most/bloodiest wars? because I think they were pretty comparable in that sense. The aztecs weren't especially brutal for their time
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>>14776045The Tlaxcala are who Cortez happened to run into as the Aztec officials directed him inland. The actually fought many battles against one another before deciding to become allies against the Aztec. The alliance was almost accidental for Cortez as he didn't intend to run into the Aztec's sworn enemy that is just where the Aztec directed him likely because they were trying to get rid of him. The Tlaxcala were the ones who really initiated the alliance, Cortez could not because he literally had no idea what was going on in Meso-America until people started telling him stuff. He chose to go with the Tlaxcala because he likely understood the Aztec had betrayed him by sending them through a route that would make him fight the enemy of the Aztec instead of to their capital so he got new guides to bring him to the Aztec capital who wanted to conquer it. Additionally Cortez was not acting on the orders of the Spanish crown and his party were actually fugitives from royal officials in the new world because their expedition had left without the governors approval. They later sent a mission to arrest him but after a small skirmish he managed to convince them to join him so he got reinforcements by accident.
>>14776122See, you're lying again. Completely full of shit. Pure history revisionism and cultural relativism.>>14776018>Saxons, vikings, celts, gauls, they all sacrificed people and nobody cries about it on /his everydayBecause they weren't sacrificing anywhere near 100 of their own people every day. Not even ten people a year.Unlike the Aztecs the Gaul's turned executions for criminals / enemy soldiers into sacrifices. They also Sacrificed Clan leaders who had failed them or made bad decisions. In hard times like the Roman invasion they also sacrificed the disabled.Almost all the physical evidence for human sacrifice happened 2,000 to 5,000 years ago.>>14776002>Saying sonething is shit is not really an argument. You're not explaining or proving anything.It is an argument because it was in fact a shit primitive language and comparing it to Japanese is a massive insult to Japanese.>>14775977>Everybody in mesoamerica had bronze,No they didn't, only some of them had copper.It was a stone-age tool society with the odd gold/native copper Jewelry, money, clubs / axes.>>14775643>such a perfectly balanced and lasting system>and people still call them uncivilizedBecause they kept their population small and technologically stagnant with never-ending human sacrifice and war lol.
>>14777410>/pol/tranny copeDude, trannies are leftwing woke Mexico lovers. So you're a tranny calling others trannies.
>>14776122>Cortes gives a number of 4000 per year, from the horse's mouth supposedlyHe gave that number before he had reached the interior of Mexico. He estimated that 50 were killed each year at each temple, but he could not have yet known how many temples there were in the Mexican highlands.>Plus a number of 5 million for the entire nahua area / mesoamerica is really smallThere's a big difference between those two. My numbers are estimated based on there being 500 cities under Aztec rule, so the population under Aztec rule is the relevant figure, not the population of all Mesoamerica. Michael E Smith gives a number of 3-4 million in the Mexican highlands. Add to that the gulf and lowland provinces, and remove from it the non-Aztec-subjects like Tlaxcala, and 5 million seems like a reasonable estimate of the population under Aztec rule,.>archaeological evidenceI don't think written records can just be dismissed because we haven't dug up enough bodies or something. How many bodies would we need to find to confirm the written records? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? This standard doesn't seem to be applied anywhere else. Most bodies don't survive in the archaeological record, otherwise the whole world would be filled with corpses. >Why aren't you including all religious european wars, or pogroms too... The aztecs weren't especially brutal for their timeI compared the death toll of Aztec human sacrifice to the death toll of Europe's bloodiest wars (including pogroms, famines, disease, etc) as a percentage of the popualtion and found that they were similar. This means that for the Aztecs and Europe to be equally violent, there would have to exist a state of permanent, extreme religious warfare all over Europe at all times. That was not the case. Even when brutal stuff like the Thirty Years War was going on, other parts of Europe were typically either at peace or perhaps engaged in far less violent conflicts like the English Civil War.
>>14777482You never prove anything. Just show sources man, use chad-gpt to help you or something, its not hard. They. Had. Bronze. There are sources for this. Lol.
>>14778116>>14778103Don't samefag. Yes you are a leftist anon and you know you are.>You never prove anything.Said the guy that never proves anything or is knowingly misleading.>Just show sources man.I have... you don't...>They. Had. BronzeNo they didn't. Copper with random impurities that vary drastically from artifact to artifact doesn't make it a "Bronze". You don't enter the iron age if you discover a meteorite and use that for iron because you're not smelting Iron from ore.Likewise A blade made from meteoric iron isn't evidence of Stainless steel manufacture because the meteorite happened to contain Nickle and Chromium.
>>14778197https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_AmericaThey.had.bronze.Bronze axes. Bronze tools. Bronze farming tools. Lost wax technique. Native mines. Dedicated metalworkers. Do you feel physical pain if you change your mind about something? Is that why you avoid it?
>>14778267I know. They're calling copper Bronze. The very reason they never replaced stone is because of the rarity of native copper in its metallic form. Everyone used the lost wax technique thousands of years before the Mesoamericans anon. And most Mesoamerican artifacts don't utilize it at all. The most used metal in Mesoamerica was gold ( because almost everything was made of stone ). Copper axes were used as money and high status weapons.>>14778103>chad-gptProbably the stupidest suggestion ever.
>>14778267If they had actually entered the bronze age we would have seen a very different pattern of artifacts.1) No stone tools of any kind.2) No gold tools for non-ceremonial use.3) Ingots of pure tin and separate ingots of pure copper that were created from ore.4) large numbers of artifacts with the exact same alloy ratio without unwanted impurities indicating a purposeful and controlled alloy creation.5) All tools, weapons and armor being made of bronze.6) Many large furnaces, bellows and piles of tin / copper ore azurite/malachite/cassiterite.7) The large scale use of other metals known before Iron such as lead.
The funny thing about the human sacrifice that the aztecs did was that they chose the most beautiful children to sacrifice them to their gods. That is why they are all ugly now.They also fed like pigs prisoners from other tribes and then they ate them (said by the first chronicles).
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>>14773489what does "knowing Japanese" have to do with anything you fat weeaboo?
>>14774574Nice proof
anyone knows where i can find a pdf of Aztec Imperial Strategies by Michael e Smith ?
>>14780359Not him but Mayan script is similar to Japanese in that it combines both logographic and phonetic symbols. The phonetic symbols indicate syllabes and are combined to form words (these are actually more similar to Korean Hangul I guess), whereas the logographic symbols are entire words. (similar to Japanese or Chinese ideograms)It's a pretty cool writing system, and fully developed, you could use it to write today over the phone in everyday conversation with no major tweaks. There's a project to reintroduce the script in Guatemala (there's millions of Maya speakers there but they use the Latin alphabet now) and even create a unicode system so it can be used on PCs and the like.
>>14780869>Not him but Mayan script is similar to Japanese in that it combines both logographic and phonetic symbols.You are him. Shut up and kill yourself anon. Japanese doesn't even remotely resemble fucking Mayan. Insane...>>14780869>The phonetic symbols indicate syllabes and are combined to form words (these are actually more similar to Korean Hangul I guess), whereas the logographic symbols are entire words. (similar to Japanese or Chinese ideograms)Exactly it isn't closely related to any of them in anything but the most abstract sense because they are all in fact written languages.>>14780869>fully developed, you could use it to write today over the phone in everyday conversation with no major tweaksNobody is ever going to use it again. It's shit.>>14780869>There's a project to reintroduce the script in Guatemala (there's millions of Maya speakers there but they use the Latin alphabet now) and even create a unicode system so it can be used on PCs and the like.Dude, every extinct language has a unicode. Nobody is going to use your stupid language. And no, modern Mayan isn't ancient Mayan. you're going to have to teach them that too before they can even use the script.
>>14780975>multiple quotes>ellipses everywhere>zero points, just constant "nuh uh, you're wrong and dumb"You're showing schizotypal writing patterns. Go on, start capitalising random words too.
>>14781080See, you have no argument anon.Japanese isn't Similar to Mayan.Modern people don't speak ancient Mayan.Mayan script is never going to be used again.Mayan script has not been completely deciphered.
>>14781080Imagine being so autistic that you have a meltdown over this-->> (...)
>>14780975>You are him. Shut up and kill yourself anon. I'm not him you schizo tard.>Exactly it isn't closely related to any of them in anything but the most abstract sense because they are all in fact written languages.They are not related to each other, they use similar systems. Ideograms or logograms to represent entire words and phonetic characters to represent syllabes. It's quite similar to Asian scripts (Japanese on a superficial level - Ideographs + phonetic syllabic characters) though the phonetic part resembles Korean Hangul more than Japanese IMHO, as characters that represent sounds are combined into larger characters to represent syllabes or whole words. In this respect the phonetic aspect of Maya works 100% like Hangul.>Nobody is ever going to use it again.https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mayacode/time-nf.html>Though many traditional Maya scribes today write in the Roman script, there has been a push since the 1980s among Maya to relearn their forebears' script and use it themselves. Maya are now teaching the written language to one another in workshops.>modern Mayan isn't ancient Mayan. you're going to have to teach them that too before they can even use the script.Dude, shut the fuck. You have no idea of what you are talking about. Kʼicheʼ Mayan is spoken by over a million people in Guatemala. It's functionally the same Post-Classical Era Mayan laguage that was spoken in the 1500 when the Spanish arrived. Mayans wrote in it using the aforementioned script. The Popol Vuh (the most important piece of Mayan literature that survives to this day) is written in Kʼicheʼ you fucking retard.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%CA%BCiche%CA%BC_language
>>14781320Saying Mayan script doesn't work for the modern language is like saying you can't adapt El Cid Campeador from medieval Spanish to modern Spanish... of course you can, retard. The language hasn't changed that much.
ITT:>Natives and libs seethe over whites spreading civilization The sheer fact of human sacrifice is abominable and deserved stamping out.
>>14781424Nobody disagrees with that.
>>14781320>I'm not him you schizo tard.You are him Mexican weeb.>They are not related to each otherThen you proceed to explain why you think they are related to each other as you did before...>Though many traditional Maya scribes today write in the Roman scriptScribes? They're ordinary people writing dude lol.>There has been a push since the 1980s among Maya to relearn their forebears' script and use it themselves.Well that hasn't happened and it isn't happening. You would need to create a new script loosely based on the original Maya.>Kʼicheʼ Mayan is spoken by over a million people in Guatemala.Yep, a small minority of the population who also speak Spanish. This version of Mayan is bastardized with Spanish and was open to rapid change due to being aurally transmitted with no standard pronunciation.>The Popol Vuh (the most important piece of Mayan literature that survives to this day)It was literally written in 1718 in the Latin alphabet by a Spanish priest. >>14781347>Saying Mayan script doesn't work for the modern language is like saying you can't adapt El Cid Campeador from medieval Spanish to modern SpanishAh but in your example you aren't speaking or writing in medieval Spanish. You are translating Medieval into modern Spanish. Medieval Spanish is incapable of describing everything you need from a modern language. You would need to add new words, change spelling/grammar etc, basically you end up with Modern Spanish again.>>14781464>Nobody disagrees with that.You do woke weeb Mexican samefagging anon.
>>14781548>You are him Mexican weeb.You are completely deranged. And I'm not Mexican, my interest in this is purely a hobby and I only replied because you keep writing stupid shit.>Then you proceed to explain why you think they are related to each other as you did before...No, retard, they are similar in that they are both logosyllabic languages. They work the same way. Doesn't mean they are related... are you dumb?See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_writing_systemsThere are very few logosyllabic writing systems in the world... Anatolian, Ancient Cuneiform, Chinese, Japanese, Sui, Yi, Eghap... and Mayan. Mayan belongs to this group. It "works like" Japanese and Chinese, combining both syllabic phonetic characters and ideograms.>Scribes? They're ordinary people writing dude lol.It's a social role in their tribes and communities. You are focusing on the word and not on the fact that they still use their script, retard. There are workshops where they are reviving the script. You said this wasn't possible.http://discovermam.org/2019/08/6-ajaw-8-yaxkin-august-7-2019-stzibal-abxubal-popti-a-popti-maya-alphabet/>You would need to create a new script loosely based on the original Maya.There is no "original Maya". Mayans have different dialects. There are Classical Mayan dialects, Terminal Maya dialects, and Post-Classical Mayan dialects... they ALL used the Mayan script. There isn't such a thing as "ancient Maya language", they never had a unified language. They still used the script until the Spanish banned it in the 1600. You are very, very clueless.>It was literally written in 1718 in the Latin alphabet by a Spanish priest. Yes, and now the modern Mayans have written the Popul Vuh on their original script... meaning it is possible to do it.https://www.amazon.com/Popol-Vuh-Escritura-Maya-Spanish/dp/0359321313
>>14781548>You would need to add new words, change spelling/grammar etcYes, no shit, you'd need to adapt the script to incorporate modern words. The point is that this isn't a big deal to do, you can express the sounds of modern words like you do in Japanese.Computer in Japanese becomes コンピューター(Konpyūtā) it's basically the same word using the katakana that most resemble the sounds. The same could be done (and is being done in some workshops in Guatemala) with Mayan.
Cool. threads just started reading bernal diaz's book. Starting to get really interesting in conquistadors.
>>14774715What gets to me is the proposed high amount of child sacrifices were needed yearly, rather than only adult slave sacrifices. One child that manages to survive to age 4 or 5 would have been a non neglible amount of wealth in labor to a family in a mostly agricultural society, and yet they're flung towards the endlessly ravenous and murderous jaws of their gods
>>14781968There was huge population growth in 15th century Mexico. Child sacrifice has been a thing since the Olmecs, but I'd imagine bigger families made it more viable.
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>>14781593>And I'm not Mexican, my interest in this is purely a hobbyLol...>they are similar in that they are both logosyllabic languages"Still comparing Mayan script with Japanese in his failed attempt to give legitimacy to Mayan">It's a social role in their tribes and communitiesThey're are not using the script retard, Maya script hasn't even been fully decrypted retard. Being able to read and write doesn't make you a "scribe" or "wise elder" anon. Lol primitive idiots.>There is no "original Maya"Lol, first claims that modern Maya is identical to ancient Mayan. When that falsehood is blown he claims that ancient Mayans didn't speak Mayan. Complete contradiction.>Yes, and now the modern Mayans have written the Popul Vuh on their original script.It isn't the original script. This is a modern creation larping as the original.>>14781601>you'd need to adapt the script to incorporate modern wordsCompletely changing it so that it isn't the original language anymore. Keeping in mind that Ancient Mayan is largely undeciphered.
>>14782539>"Still comparing Mayan script with Japanese in his failed attempt to give legitimacy to Mayan"The comparison is valid, cope and seethe. >They're are not using the script retardYes they are, retard. Read the links I gave you. It's the same fucking Maya script.>Maya script hasn't even been fully decrypted retard.90% of it has been decrypted. Enough to be able to write in it.Archeologists and linguists have determined that Mayan script is a "complete writing system" because you could "express every Mayan word using the script".>Being able to read and write doesn't make you a "scribe" or "wise elder" anon. Lol primitive idiots.>Seething so much over the wording of an article>Lol, first claims that modern Maya is identical to ancient Mayan. When that falsehood is blown he claims that ancient Mayans didn't speak Mayan. Complete contradiction.For the last time there is no such thing as "ancient Mayan", they spoke many different dialects tard.They all used variations of the same script adapted to their local dialect.>It isn't the original script. This is a modern creation larping as the original.Languages evolve. It's proof that you can use the script in a functional manner. You said it was impossible.>Completely changing it so that it isn't the original language anymore.Did Japanese stop being Japanese because they incorporated foreign words? You are a tard.Is English no longer English because they incorporated words like tacos, fiesta, bodega?>Keeping in mind that Ancient Mayan is largely undeciphered.Again this is fucking bullshit. 90% of Mayan texts can be understood.
>>14782999>The comparison is valid, cope and seetheIt isn't... You are using the tranny words "cope, seethe".>Yes they are, retardNo they aren't retard. >90% of it has been decryptedNO ANON MODERN MAYANS ARE WRITING IN 100% ORIGINAL MAYAN SCRIPT!!!> "complete writing system" because you could "express every Mayan word using the script".1) There is no way of even determining that.2) Mayan must be extremely primitive and limited if that is true.>Seething so much over the wording of an articleUsing the tranny word "seethe" again.Basic literacy doesn't make you a wizard or scribe anon... >there is no such thing as "ancient MayanSo you're admitting that Modern Mayan isn't ancient Mayan...>Languages evolve. It's proof that you can use the script in a functional manner. You said it was impossible.To use the original language yes. Your revival isn't Ancient Mayan. It is a fictitious creation.>Did Japanese stop being Japanese because they incorporated foreign words.That isn't the issue anon. The Maya don’t actually speak Mayan. Rather, they speak Tsotsil, Mam, K’iche’ or any of the various languages in the Mayan language family. And they are bastardized with Spanish.>Again this is fucking bullshit. 90% of Mayan texts can be understood.Closer to 80%. A huge amount is still missing and there isn't much text to work with.
Mayans:>high ANE>high test>rich culture>impressive development >total isolation yet created unique civilization >noble and unique >trusting of outsiders >held values like cleanliness, honestly, and honor to high esteem>killed of prisoners when necessary Albino monkeys:>low test (essentially women)>basal eurasian manlets>insect-like according to literally every single non European person in history>extremely dishonest >delusional to the point of believing own lies>addicting to lying and stealing when convenient>lack of moral compass>bashes innocent children’s heads against rocks to please Odin or some nigger tier deity prior to getting Semitized>intentionally burns hundreds of years worth of knowledge and encyclopedias No wonder 99% of academia and high IQ people hate white people kek
>>14783151MayansStone age people that ate their own babies.WhitesCreated the computer, liquid-fuel rock, internet, refrigerator etc.... on an on.No Wonder shit-skins are cultural relativists and history revisionists.>No wonder 99% of academia and high IQ people hate white people kekWoke academia isn't intelligent anon. Cultural Marxism isn't intelligent anon. The worst famines in recorded history were created by communism.You're admitting that academia is only racist towards white people. So everything you are saying about American natives is inevitably full of lies, exaggerations and fabrications.
>>14783151>we wuz civilization>conquered by like 100 spaniards and a bunch of native slavestopkek
>>14783129>You are using the tranny words "cope, seethe".>muh tranniesFuck off back to /pol/>NO ANON MODERN MAYANS ARE WRITING IN 100% ORIGINAL MAYAN SCRIPT!!!There is no "original Mayan script", that's what is not getting through your thick skull. Each city state had a different variation of the script. >1) There is no way of even determining thatYes there is, it's a language with phonetic symbols. There are phonetic symbols for every sound in the language. The words are a combination of these sounds. It's not that hard. Just as written English can express every English word, so can the Maya script. Linguists have studied this, as opposed to (You) a nobody on an anonymous forum.>Basic literacy doesn't make you a wizard or scribe anon...>still seething over the wording of a PBS article>So you're admitting that Modern Mayan isn't ancient Mayan...There is no modern Mayan either, there are several dialects still alive today. >To use the original language yes. Your revival isn't Ancient Mayan. It is a fictitious creation.There is no original language. It is possible to use the script for the modern K'iche' just like it was possible for different Mayan city-states of antiquity to adapt the script for their own dialects. It's not that difficult to understand.>That isn't the issue anon. The Maya don’t actually speak Mayan. Rather, they speak Tsotsil, Mam, K’iche’ or any of the various languages in the Mayan language family. K'iche' is the modern version of Classical K'iche' just like Spanish is the modern version of Medieval Spanish. I'm glad you are starting to use the proper terminology as opposed to speaking of "Ancient Mayan", we are making progress.>And they are bastardized with Spanish.Foreign loanwords is not bastardization.>Closer to 80%You said it was "largely undeciphered". I accept your concession.>>14783256You are confusing the Mayans with the Aztecs.The last Mayan kingdom survived until 1697./his/ is shit now.
>>14783313>Fuck off back to /pol/I come from /his/. You come from /lgbt/.>There is no "original Mayan script".There definitely is...>Yes there is, it's a language with phonetic symbols.You just said that there is no such thing as Mayan script.>still seething over the wording of a PBS articleStill using the tranny word seethe...Article implies that most Mexicans are barely literate.>There is no modern Mayan eitherLol. So the Mayan language is a complete hoax then. It was just invented by Europeans for Mexicans to use hahaaaa wtf.>There is no original language.It is official. The Mayans were a civilization of mute people.>K'iche' is the modern version of Classical K'icheWhich isn't Ancient Mayan...>Foreign loanwordsThat isn't the change... grammar and pronunciation have changed so much that it is a different language.>You said it was "largely undecipheredI did. Good luck making sense of a story when 20% of the words are missing.>You are confusing the Mayans with the Aztecs.The last Mayan kingdom survived until 1697.No he isn't. All American culture in that area was BTFO and spiritually castrated by the Spanish.Mayan descendants today claim victimhood because they were dominated by Europeans.
>>14770936Lots of white skin there.....
>>14770956>MongolsKek, You probably still believe they were Asians too
>>14783396>I come from /his/. You come from /lgbt/.No, I come from old /his/, returning here was a mistake. Now there's newfags that think "cope and seethe" is a "tranny word". Top kek.>There definitely is...Maybe if you go back to the 3rd century BC you can find the origins of Maya script, but we are talking about the variety used by K'iche' when the Spanish arrived. There's several variations of the script between the 3rd century BC and the 1600s.>You just said that there is no such thing as Mayan script.I said there are many varieties of the script for the different dialects, which proves how adaptable it is.>Article implies that most Mexicans are barely literate.Article is about Guatemala, retard. Most Mayans live in Guatemala. Fuck... you are stupid.>so the Mayan language is a complete hoax thenThere are a dozen dialects, it's not so difficult to understand, make an effort.>The Mayans were a civilization of mute people.>I'm gonna play dumb because I lost the argumentPathetic>Which isn't Ancient Mayan...No, it's Classical K'iche'. >That isn't the change... grammar and pronunciation have changed so much that it is a different language.Not much different than the evolution of English, or Spanish, from antiquity to today. I guess you have never read Shakespeare's or Cervantes' original texts. >I did.I accept your concession.>All American culture in that area was BTFO and spiritually castrated by the Spanish.Not really, the Mayans survived until 1697 thanks to the dense jungle making exploration of the area difficult.>Mayan descendants today claim victimhood because they were dominated by Europeans.Nobody ITT is claiming victimhood of anything, you are just sperging out because you can't concede that you are wrong. You've been coping for a whole day now.
>>14783447>>14783430Oh right... all Asians are whites now.....Woke Mexican leftists tranny anon....Your samefagging is extremely obvious.
>>14783467>No, I come from old /his/No, you came from /lgbt/.>I said there are many varieties"My failed Mayan script revival is authentic""Authentic Mayan script doesn't exist">Article is about GuatemalaI know. If they're that illiterate their neighbor Mexico is also going to be illiterate as fuck. >There are a dozen dialectsThat aren't Mayan...>I'm gonna play dumb because I lost the argumentYou are dumb and you aren't playing a game anon.>No, it's Classical K'iche'K'iche' isn't ancient Mayan...>Not much different than the evolution of English, or SpanishDude, you just said that there is no such thing as Mayan.>Not really, the Mayans survived until 1697So they were BTFO..... lol>Nobody ITT is claiming victimhood of anything"“Too Dangerous to Help”: White Supremacy, Coloniality, and Maya Youth"https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/713316Nice try autistic Mexican woke tranny.
>>14783313>/his/ is shit now.No, you're just arguing with a crazy person lol.>>14782539>"Still comparing Mayan script with Japanese in his failed attempt to give legitimacy to Mayan"I mean, you can literally write japanese with it (ignoring maya-specific cancellation rules). Here's an example, it says the same exact thing. >>14783525Are you the same shitwit that said "mayans didn't have zero" the other day?
>>14783541You're still obviously samefagging autistic Mexican woke tranny.>I mean, you can literally..."Still comparing Mayan script with Japanese in his failed attempt to give legitimacy to Mayan">Are you the same shitwit that said "mayans didn't have zero" the other day?They obviously had a zero anon. Probably just forgot that you were replying to your own comments again.
>>14783525>No, you came from /lgbt/.No, I came from /sci/. I haven't bothered with this shit board since 2018.>"My failed Mayan script revival is authentic"No, it's just proof that the script is adaptable and fairly complete. Which is what we were arguing all along. Remember when you claimed the script was "shit" and wasn't "usable" because it was primitive and undeciphered? Remember when you claimed it was impossible for people to write in Maya today? Now you are backtracking and claiming it isn't "authentic". Little by little you lost ground.>I know. If they're that illiterate their neighbor Mexico is also going to be illiterate as fuck.More backtracking, you don't even know where most Mayans live lmao.Yet you pretend to be an online expert...>That aren't Mayan...They are all Mayan, but there is no single "Mayan language". Your point about authenticity is stupid.>You are dumb and you aren't playing a game anon.It may not be a game but it's pretty fun humilliating a retard like you.>K'iche' isn't ancient Mayan...>Dude, you just said that there is no such thing as Mayan.Playing dumb won't save you from having lost this argument.>So they were BTFO..... lolNobody is claiming otherwise.>"“Too Dangerous to Help”: White Supremacy, Coloniality, and Maya Youth">https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/713316>Nice try autistic Mexican woke trannyITT means "in this thread" newfag. Try reading the post you replied to again.>>14783541That's pretty cool anon... did you write that yourself? What does it mean?>>14783627You are having a meltdown bro.
>>14783720>That's pretty cool anon... did you write that yourself?Yeah, I just got this tablet so my handwriting is pretty rough. >What does it mean?"are you still there?"
>>14783720>No, I came from /sci/You came from /lgbt/>No, it's just proof that the script is"Mayan doesn't exist but this is authentic Mayan">More backtrackingMexico touches Guatemala anon...>They are all MayanNope, you said Mayan doesn't exist.>It may not be a gameA serious Mesoamerican dick sucker you are.>Playing dumbYou literally said there is no such thing as Mayan.>Nobody is claiming otherwise.You quoted the date as if that changed the fact...>ITT means "in this thread" newfag. Try reading the post you replied to again.I said "Mayan descendants today claim victimhood because they were dominated by Europeans"NOT"people in this thread claim victimhood.">That's pretty cool anon... did you write that yourself?>What does it mean?Samefagging is weird anon.>You are having a meltdown bro.Samefagging is weird anon.
>>14783755Your samefagging is a sign of mental illness autistic Mexican woke anon.
Mesoamerican threads the only good part of /his/ I swear
>>14770748>because the aquisition of human sacrifices in staged battles didn't disrupt birth rates the way that a more general warfare would haveno shit. Some sacrifices were meant to become the gods themselves and to copulate with female aztecs before their sacrifice.Old World's Wars just wasted the precious genepool.
>>14770748>>14770936>>14771057Can someone recommend interesting books/websites/articles/videos about fanatical and cruel historical people?
>>14783911>no shit. Some sacrifices were meant to become the gods themselves and to copulate with female aztecs before their sacrifice.They killed and ate babies anon.>Old World's Wars just wasted the precious genepool.With the Mesoamericans everyone is sacrificed regardless of their fitness.In the old world only the fit survive.All the Americans were thousands of years technologically behind everybody else anon.
>>14770936>the Aztecs were cunts. Complete cuntstruest truth
>>14783918The Imbangala were the biggest cunts in history. Article about them if you can access it: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3491764
>>14783918https://donnagawell.com/2018/02/08/when-fiji-was-the-cannibal-isles/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udre_Udrehttps://www.davestravelcorner.com/journals/destination-south-pacific/fiji-still-cannibal-isles/Dude in the picture ate between 872 and 999 people in his lifetime. The world historical record.An average human 180 pound body is approximately 160,000 Calories in energy.The average adult male requires approx 3000 Calories per day.So to calculate the number of Years Udre Udre could have lived on human meat if he ate all the internal organs/brain/muscles and fat we get((160,000X872)/3000)/365=127 years...He was living on just humans for approx 40 years... so he only had to eat the tastiest 1/3 of his victims in order to sustain himself.
>>14784088>mfw there are people glorifying her legacy just because she fought against western colonizersNormies were a mistake.
>>14784122>Once Marcus killed and ate Dinesh, Selachii said her friend couldn’t sleep for years because he was constantly haunted by visions of what he did. Eventually, Marcus started drinking heavily and even went through a suicidal phase. Since then, it’s become easier for him, but not much.>“It basically fucked him up for the rest of his life. He has to live with it every day,” Selachii said. “But it’s this weird duality, because one part of him, the western side, is totally messed up about it and is horrified that he did this. Then there is this other side — and I can’t explain it — that doesn’t have remorse. Like it’s this sort of ancestral idea of, ‘We’re supposed to do this. This is who we are. This is a part of our culture.'”Interesting.
>>14772775>I am not making this shit upwith all the fucked up shit the bible and the quran + hadiths talk about, i wouldn't be surprised at allalso, got a citation? would love to read more about this.
extrapolating what cortes saw as normal is beyond retarded. things weren't normal, pale people from across the sea had appeared and brought a plague with them, it was some end times shit to them.
>>14784239https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrificehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlāloc>>14784246>extrapolating what cortes saw as normal is beyond retarded.It was normal anon. It has a long archeological evidence history prior to and during Cortes.It was recorded going on years prior to the fall of Tenochtitlan. And prior to any of the introduced disease epidemics hitting.
>>14770748I acknowledge the fact that human sacrifice in Aztec society was a huge problem, but the Spanish conquest didn't solve it. Instead of sacrificing, the Spanish enslaved the people of Mexico, an arguably worse practice.
>>14785488I think having your heart cut out is worse than being made to do forced labour.
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>>14785488>Spanish enslaved the people of MexicoYour history revisionism is pathetic anon."Mexico never became a society based on slavery, as happened in the Anglo-American southern colonies or Caribbean islands, where plantations utilized large numbers of field slaves. At conquest, central Mexico had a large, hierarchically organized Indian population that provided largely coerced labor. Mexico's economy utilized African slave labor during the colonial period, particularly in Spanish cities as domestic workers, artisans, and laborers in textile workshops"Also the Aztecs loved enslaving people."The richest merchants in Mexica society were slave traders. Not only were they wealthy, but they were also granted special privileges. They were also considered to be very religious, and played a key role in the festival of Panquetzaliztli festival, in the respect of Mexica god, Huitzilopochtli.Any person not related to a slave's master could be enslaved for trying to prevent a slave's escape. If one slave would not behave according to the slave master's will, he could be sentenced to death"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicanshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Aztec_Empire
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>>14770748>>14784280>>14788390>>14787712>>14789841Oh! Oh the horror! Oh my! Fucking retard moralfag autist. Gayest thread I've seen in years
>>14789992So you'd be fine with being force fed in a cage until you're fat and then sacrificed and eaten?Tortured and skinned alive as a child whilst your parents watch without care because they think your painful death is necessary to ensure next seasons crops?Are you an autistic psychopath anon?
>>14786275Then you're a zoomer retard who hasn't worked a day in his life
>>14790362Imagine the kino shit they'd do in an industrial society. Millions sacrificed every day
>>14790362To be fair there was one group who were treated as representations of the Gods for a whole year. They got to wear the finest clothes, live in a palace, fuck all the girls they wanted, eat the finest food, be beloved by the people at festivals, before getting sacrificed.That one is actually pretty comfy. If I'm an Aztec with a 40 year life expectancy I'd definitely pick that instead. Best year of your life but you die earlier.
>>14790412This is basically the premise of humans in warhammer 40k.
>>14790428I wonder if you would change you mind as they peeled off the first strips.
>>14790440Of course I would. But now I'm thinking rationally. Once it happens I would be hysterical.
>>14790449The rational play is live that comfy year then take a faster way out. Or escape into the jungle and gamble on Spaniards showing up.
Absolutely basedXochiyaoyotl should make a come back
