Why are Moroccans darker than other Arabs?
>>14231116Sahara is less of a formidable barrier in the far west than it is in the rest of North Africa. So genetic mixing between NAFRIs and Sub-Saharians were more common than in Algerias or Tunisia>>14231149Saudis were in close contacts with ethiopians, somalians and so on since antiquity. Seeing a black main in the arabian peninsula wasnt uncommon
>>14231116Centuries of racemixing with berbers.
Because they aren't?Mauritania, Sudan, Chadian Arabs, Shuwa Arabs and Diffa Arabs are darker. Even many Yemenis are dark, and there are dark Arabs among the Saudis as well.Moroccans are darker than Algerians and Tunisians though. The latter two on average are lighter than the average Southern Italian, Portuguese, Southern Spaniard and Greek. Many Kabyle Algerians can pass for Northern European.>>14231473>Centuries of racemixing with berbers.Only Tuaregs are dark. Most Amazigh aren't.
>>14231116i see no difference
>>14231116Because morocco conquered lands in SSAAlso they arentSaudi/yemeni/iraqis are very dark and riffians are very white>>14231473With blacks*>>14231504Tuaregs are blacks and they arent even berbers
>>14231116Because they have a ton of SSA admixture. They're literally 1/4 Black on average.>>14231504>The latter two on average are lighter than the average Southern Italian, Portuguese, Southern Spaniard and Greek. Many Kabyle Algerians can pass for Northern European.Lmao why do Nafricoons want to be white so badly. Accept your negroid ancestry, mutt.
>>14232810>1/4 Black1/4 people cant have straight/wavy hair and big nosebridges
>>14231504>Moroccans are darker than Algerians and Tunisians though. The latter two on average are lighter than the average Southern Italian, Portuguese, Southern Spaniard and Greek. Many Kabyle Algerians can pass for Northern European.algerians, tunisians and moroccans are darker than even your average syrian or turk or iranian, let alone the people you mentioned>>14232878>1/4 people cant have straight/wavy hair and big nosebridgesyes they can and that's the case for north africans
>>14231116>Why are Moroccans darker than other Arabs?because they are literally more african than anyone in the middle east>>14232732>Saudi/yemeni/iraqis are very dark and riffians are very whiteriffians are very brown, as brown as iraqis but more african in features and genetics, and they are only something like 3% of moroccans so even if they were very white it wouldn't change the statement "morocco is browner than arabs"
>>14231116They don't seem to score that much more SSA ancestry in comparison if that is your point.
>>14233193More examples from non-urban/Tribal Moroccans that don't reflect the average ancestry.
>>14231116we are more native african than other arabs both in west african admixture and taforalt, and that's a good thing because it means that we are native to the land
>>14233236yeah, there's nothing wrong with african admixture, it's a part of us and only a certain portion of the population that i won't mention here is ashamed of it
>>14233241Distances seem off friend, try adding Baikal and Kenyan pastoralist for the other Arab populations.
>>14233193saudiB averages at something like 2% yoruba, and that's the saudi average with the highest west africanon average they are less west african admixed than us
>>14233261They have more dinka-like ancestry instead of Yoruba.
>>14233241>only a certain portion of the population that i won't mention herePlease be specific. You have piqued my curiosity.
>>14233265>They have more dinka-like ancestry instead of Yoruba.overall we have more sub saharan african ancestry on average, we also have native taforalt ancestry, that is part africanthis is because we are native to the continent
>>14233266a very whiny and vocal minority that constitutes around 2% of the population
>>14233289That's weird. They score more amounts with the samples I used.Target: SaudiB:APPG7555957Distance: 2.2675% / 0.0226754158.4 Levant_PPNB:I0867__BC_6750__Coverage_64.03%13.6 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC111.2 SSA:Dinka:Dinka37.6 Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I52795.2 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF0134.0 SSA:Dinka:Dinka1
>>14233318you are using only 1 sample, the APPG7555957, i'm using the entire averagealso you are using also individual samples (like 1 afanasievo, the I5279, 1 taforalt, the TAF013, 1 ppnb.... and so on) while i'm using the average there tootry a model like mine and it should come out the same
>>14233325Oh it's not 1 sample i just picked the one with the most.Target: SaudiB:APPG7836396Distance: 3.2553% / 0.0325529848.0 Levant_PPNB:I0867__BC_6750__Coverage_64.03%21.0 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC116.0 SSA:Dinka:Dinka310.4 Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I52792.4 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF0131.2 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG:I02111.0 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N:NEO240Btw i gotta ask Genetica is that you?
>>14233340>Oh it's not 1 sample i just picked the one with the most.yeah? if you picked the one with the most you picked 1 sampleagain, you shouldn't be surprised that the model comes out differently since i'm using the entire SaudiB averagei'm also using the average sources, not 1 individual taforalt, 1 individual afanasievo an so onTarget: SaudiBDistance: 4.3593% / 0.0435928662.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP22.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N7.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N3.2 GEO_CHG2.6 Yoruba1.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara0.0 Dinka0.0 MAR_Taforalt0.0 WHGTarget: SaudiADistance: 5.2853% / 0.0528534059.0 Levant_Natufian_EpiP22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N13.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N2.6 GEO_CHG2.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara0.0 Dinka0.0 MAR_Taforalt0.0 WHG0.0 YorubaTarget: SaudiADistance: 5.2853% / 0.0528534059.0 Levant_Natufian_EpiP22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N13.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N2.6 GEO_CHG2.6 Yamnaya_RUS_SamaraTarget: SaudiDistance: 6.1778% / 0.0617777470.2 Levant_Natufian_EpiP21.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N6.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N2.6 GEO_CHG0.0 Dinka0.0 MAR_Taforalt0.0 WHG0.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara0.0 Yorubathis is what it should come out with the averages>Btw i gotta ask Genetica is that you?no, i know him but i'm not him, i'm another moroccan
>>14233369Nah dude i just meant i just picked one result out of many. I ran all the Saudi samples from eurogenes blog on the model. I'd post it but word limit and all that.Also i'm using 13 afanasievo samples and the 3 Taforalt samples available.>no, i know him but i'm not him, i'm another moroccanAight tell him Tunisian says hi then hehe.
>>14233391> ran all the Saudi samples from eurogenes blog on the model. I'd post it but word limit and all that.got you>Also i'm using 13 afanasievo samples and the 3 Taforalt samples available.i thought you are using only the taf013 for the taforalt and the I5279 for the afanasievo here >>14233340 >>14233318but maybe i'm wrong>Aight tell him Tunisian says hi then hehe.i see
>>14233441Nah it's fine.Perhaps for the sake of clarity i should've just used ken_pastoralist and screenshotted the top results but its whatever
>>14233289>that is part africanthen you should also consider basal eurasian as "african" in the sense that they are related to the african part of taforalt and most likely looked black
>>14233568not him but basal eurasians are related to the non african part of taforalt if anything since the basal eurasian underwent the eurasian bottleneck, unlike the african part of taforaltbut yes you are correct in the fact that they probably looked very dark
>>14233599Obviously but what I meant is that these africans who left the continent were related to MSA population of north africa and of course when they arrived in eurasia they didn't suddenly became "white" or "caucasoid". The dzudzuana-like ancestry of taforalt is formed much later.
>>14233071That guy has a weak nosebridge tho
>>14233676the basal eurasian is kind of an hypothetical population but what we mean by "basal eurasian" is something that already underwent the eurasian bottleneck so it would be more related to other future eurasians than to stone age africans already, in our case it would be more related to the eurasian portion of the taforalt dna than to the african portionby appearance yes of course they would probably look african, afterall they would be an initial upper paleolithic or late stone age population
>>14233768no since msa north africans (aterians) were clearly related to the first eurasians and at the same time were the ancestors of iberomaurusians. So if ANA is considered "SSA" why not this first eurasian component ? That's like someone who is part negrito/jarawa/onge saying "I'm fully eurasian and have no ssa" technically he's right but still this part of his ancestry would affect his phenotype significantly
>>14233837>So if ANA is considered "SSA" why not this first eurasian component ?i think you are very mistakenANA didn't go thought the eurasian bottleneck, it's an african component, while hypothetically basal eurasian did so it's not an african component, genetically it's more related to the non african part of taforalt and other eurasians than to fully african populationsyou can very well say that ANA is african and basal is notif you mean by appearance yes they were very africnized in appearance but everyone was in the initial upper paleolithic, but we aren't talking about appearance
>>14233859*through the eurasian bottleneck
>>14233859basal eurasians would probably be the most africanized fully eurasians to ever exist but still "eurasian" overall, ANA (that is also theoretical) is a completely different thing, it's would be fully africanobviously granted that it existed in the first place, it's some theoretical population and all the ancient remains that were found since the initial hypothesis just end up looking similar to the ustishim, there's not much point in theorizing too much on top of a theory
>>14233859>ANA didn't go thought the eurasian bottleneck,I already know this pay attention to what I post I was talking about this : >"If the makers of Aterian and Taramsa lithic complexes were the protagonists of the first episode (Garcea 2010), after 50 ka BP, Homo sapiens from the African Mediterranean coasts have definitely replaced Neanderthals in the Levant.".>"The makers of these assemblages can therefore be seen as (1) a group of Homo sapiens predating and/or contemporary to the out-of-Africa exodus of the species, and (2) geographically one of the (if not the) closest from the main gate to Eurasia at the northeastern corner of the African continent. Although Moroccan specimens have been discovered far away from this area, they may provide us with one of the best proxies of the African groups that expanded into Eurasia. "and yes the point is about appearance since when people emphasize "SSA" among north africans they mean anything that can affect their pheno and explain their darkness
>>14233904>I already know this pay attention to what I postso what's the point of this conversation if you agree that genetically the basal would be more related to the non african part of taforalt than to the african one>and yes the point is about appearance since when people emphasize "SSA" among north africans they mean anything that can affect their pheno and explain their darknessi was talking about genetics, basal eurasians were obviously african or "africanish" looking, but genetically they went through the eurasian bottleneck and the ANA didn'tthese quotes about the aterian that you are posting are also non very relevant, since the basal as we mean it already should have went through the eurasian bottleneck, and hence would be more related to eurasians than to their african ancestors
>>14233901indeed, i think they gotta tone down their expectations and accept the samples for what they are instead
>>14231262>Sahara is less of a formidable barrier in the far west than it is in the rest of North Africa. So genetic mixing between NAFRIs and Sub-Saharians were more common than in Algerias or TunisiaThis is what I was thinking. I've read the Sahara Desert is narrower towards the Atlantic coast.And in the east, the Nile River, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean facilitated movement between Egypt, the Arabian Peninsula and Sudan, the Horn, and the East African coast.
>>14233970but algerians and tunisians are generally more african than gulfiesrecent migrants excluded obviously, i think the opposite is true even, western sahara is clearly very berberid in admixture
>>14233986correctthe saharawis are basically southern moroccans (and moroccan claim)
>>14233992algeria also has a good claim, we border western sahara too
>>14234000western sahara is moroccan and will never be algerian
>>14234010it doesn't need to be algerian, independence is good for us toothis is what you get for killing 3 innocent algerian civilians
>>14233193any samples from Casablanca/Rabat/Beni Mellal/Khouribga/Kenitra/El Jaddida ect... ?
>>14232732>Tuaregs are blacks and they arent even berbersTuaregs speak Amazigh languages, and they are Amazigh. Tuaregs look nothing like West Africans. They're dark skinned but their features are mostly Caucasoid.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_languages>>14232810>Lmao why do Nafricoons want to be white so badly. Accept your negroid ancestry, mutt.Imagine being this defensive just because some spoke facts?? You a Greek or Southern Italian by any chance?>>14233071Andrew Tate has an African-American father and Romanian mother. Not sure why you're posting him here.>algerians, tunisians and moroccans are darker than even your average syrian or turk or iranian, let alone the people you mentionedFirst of all, why are you bringing up Turks and Iranians? That's completely off-topic. The average Algerian and Tunisian isn't darker than other Arabs. What are you smoking? Only Levantine Arabs are the same or lighter skinned.
>>14233082>some retard says riffians are white>the canadian mutt comes out saying riffians are whitelike clockwork
>>14235631*>some retard comes out saying riffians are very brown
>>14234672I got 2 each from Rabat and Casa and 3 from Tétouan but none from those other places gimme a second.
>>14235766Here is the casa and rebat ones. (casa/agadir is 2nd gen diaspora but born to 2 moroccan parents)
>>14235766>>14235934I don't have the coordinates for tetouanis but someone posted their results with his own model.Just FYI, they are morisco descendants and score 70-80%+ Spanish with modern models.
>>14235934I doubt that this sample is representative of Casa and Rabat, it may be Berbers from other regions or Moriscos. In general, the vast majority of Cassawis (mainly from tribes around Casa) have a high level of SSA
>>14235983IDK i'm not an expert on Moroccan regions desu. Someone shared them with me, they've been collecting North African G25 results from different forums throughout the years.
>>14231116because "arab" moroccans are often are triracial mutts with alot of negro slave ancestry, the native berber population of morocco on the other hand is alot whiter.
>>14237239There isnt arabs in morocco The brown/black/mutts you see are just part negroes in maternal line
>>14237244thats why i said "arabs" with quotes but they do have some arab admixture nevertheless as we can see from their natufian admixture. they are the brazilians of north africa
>>14233901>>14233956ANA is phylogenetically closer to eurasians.
>this whole thread Berbers are glorified Afro-Turkish mulattoes. Arabs are more Semitic than Berbers are African.
Look like I have discovered a way to distinguish Adnanites from Qahtanites.
>>14237531>>14237665Interesting models what samples are you using? Can i get them to use on my own coords?
>>14237239>the native berber population of morocco on the other hand is alot whiter.no, the "berbers" are barely whiter
>>14237296no, ANA didn't go through the eurasian bottleneck, they were closer to africans than to any eurasian
>>14237239berbers aren't "a lot whiter"
>>14237683Iran_Neolithic = average made of all Neolithic samples from IranTurkey_Neolithic = average made of all Neolithic samples from TurkeyIsrael_Neolithic = average made of Levant_PPNB:I0867 and another simulated sampleJordan_Neolithic = average made of all Neolithic samples from JordanMorocco_Neolithic = MAR_ENUkraine_Neolithic = UKR_EN. Israel_Neolithic,0.072752,0.159622,-0.030986,-0.12546,0.026471,-0.054658,-0.013416,-0.008438,0.061162,0.041968,0.009964,-0.012046,0.028508,-0.00253,-0.017194,0.010225,0.008606,-0.005296,-0.004794,0.015352,0.00223,0.00328,-0.001953,-0.006676,-0.003876Jordan_Neolithic,0.071851,0.165658,-0.028708,-0.13659,0.030352,-0.063971,-0.012926,-0.011798,0.078154,0.03565,0.015995,-0.015773,0.031293,0.003767,-0.02085,0.002354,0.009485,-0.00038,-0.007369,0.013835,-0.003681,0.005858,0.002034,-0.00488,-0.001138Iran_Neolithic,0.043632,0.067251,-0.154578,0.000538,-0.11927,0.020886,0.014571,-0.001077,-0.080514,-0.054387,-0.002382,-0.001565,0.005236,-0.007646,0.030688,0.056321,-0.005042,0.006813,0.012877,-0.034098,0.008236,-0.026695,-0.009504,-0.0371,0.021129Turkey_Neolithic,0.11397,0.178045,0.001983,-0.099849,0.047651,-0.047807,-0.004655,-0.008821,0.03153,0.076669,0.008785,0.009674,-0.021685,0.002832,-0.040305,-0.01266,0.019074,0.000208,0.01527,-0.009303,-0.012059,0.006207,-0.004202,-0.00138,-0.003832Set the ADC to 0.5x.
>>14237531>glorifiedHow and by whom?
>>14237745>>14237531this is joseph, the half "moroccan arab" half french guy living in france that hates the berbersyou will always be a self hating half french mutt
>>14231504>Mauritania>Sudan>Chad>arabsWhy not Mali and Senegal while you're at it?
>>14237279Natufian ≠ arabs
>>14237745Hmm i guess my arab ancestry is mostly adnatite-like, not surprising considering that my closest matches from the peninsula are from the wider Rabia'a tribes.
>>14237531>turkish/negroe Holy cope>>14237791It seems Most of anti berber comments... come from berber themselves LMAOWhat a self hating race
Can we all agree Algerians are the ugliest?
>>14231116Because the Arabs in Morocco mixed with the Bantu slaves. When you compare the Moroccan Arabs with the native Moroccan Berbers it's like night and day.
>>14231116Ancient East African component and recent west African component. The are as quadroon as Brazilian pardos or Dominicans.
>>14237795We don't have samples from Chad but the Arabophone Sudanese and the 1 Mauritanian sample we do have score varying amounts of arab ancestry.
>>14231504>"Moroccans are darker than Algerians and Tunisians though. The latter two on average are lighter than the average Southern Italian, Portuguese, Southern Spaniard and Greek. Many Kabyle Algerians can pass for Northern European."How much nafri cope and mental disease does it take to actually believe this?
>>14237811no riffians largely look similar (what would be called brown in europe) and are closely related genetically
>>14237820>Ancient East African componentnot east african, but native north african and basal to basal eurasian>and recent west African component.just 6% in coastals>The are as quadroonno such thing since they're only 6% SSA
>>14232878>1/4 people cant have straight/wavy hair and big nosebridgesYes they can. Hell, half black people can have these features too.
>>14237791I am unironically more Semitic than you are berber, Hamilcar. Really makes you think eh.
>>14237839good job proving him, most of those brown guys look nothing like op's arabs who look almost like african-americans, those guys resemble south euros, turks and levantines more
>>14237850>Hell, half black people can have these features too.F1 hybrids can't
>>14237857>most of those brown guys look nothing like op's arabs who look almost like african-americans, those guys resemble south euros, turks and levantines morethey look similar to other moroccans for the most part, darker and more berberid and african than the people you mentioned
riffian cucks in the thread with their we wuz white and shiet as alwaysyou'll never get your independence back
>>14237881the average poster in the thread right now
>>14237886>>14237881half canadian half moroccan cuck from int, you'll never be moroccan
>>14233236>>14233241Based. It's why I will always defend Amazigh people from "invader" accusations from hoteps.
>>14237811sarah chafak is half finnish>Chafak was born on 25 October 1990 in Helsinki, Finland, to a Moroccan Berber father and a Finnish mother
>>14237857you are talking to a berber obsessed half moroccan arab diaspora in canada who has folders filled with these pictures. I swear to god he is obsessed with us.
>>14237811>Bantu slavesWhy would Moroccans get Bantu slaves when West Africans are just two countries south? Unless you're one of those retards who think "Bantu = West African"...
>>14237893kek you fucking got him lol he can’t hide from the truth now this >>14237886 mfer is the only one doing this. This half arab mutt lives in Canada because morocco is such a shithole while he will die defending it. Typical 3iyacha muttoid behaviour
>>14237867F1? Christ dude they're humans, not house cats and servals making savannah cats.
>>14237909there are three, there's also jopseph, the half french half moroccan guy >>14237531and the butthurt moroccan arab that i think lives in morocco
>>14231116Nafri "Arabs" have a lot of SSA admixture, Nafri Berbers not as much.
>>14237910Wait, "bantu" isn't the arabic word for "nigger"?
>>14238042Those girls look latina bro.
>>14238172>orange skin and hairkek that's how Crusader Kings II depicts them
>>14238172>muh colourno one cares, only swarthoids from south europe have this complex because they're deeply ashamed of their brown colour. what makes berbers and arabs different are the facial features, not so much the colouring>>14238178they look what they are (berbers) and many latinas are attractive anyway so i don't see the problem
>>14231116both arabs and berbers have african admixture to varying degrees, berbers aren't homogeneous either(and no i'm not including the tuaregs)on average berbers look brown and only some diaspora riffians are ashamed of it
>>14238172this image was created by a belgian mutt from /int/ btw
>>14238546that riffian guy you posted would bash your teeth in, you half "moroccan arab" faggot
>>14238524they look latinx doe
i see the thread has been infested by the usual suspects, pic related are riffian indipendentist activistsall have been arrested, to all the riffians here you are warned, this is what's gonna happen to you
>>14238524>only swarthoids from south europe have this complex because they're deeply ashamed of their brown colour. Lmao lol even>>14238546Said belgian is a from morroco background
>>14238570mfer you are the usual suspects keeping these theeads alice get a life
>>14238546in the middle: the riffian guy calling you a "subhuman 3robi faggot"we should make a le riffian face meme
>>14238600>we should make a le riffian face memegot you
>>14238592no, it's you riffians creating these threads and keeping them aliveevery once in a while some riffian comes in to tell everyone how white he is, bumping the thread yet again
>>14237850Thats a weak nosebridge
>>14238546he looks mexican
>>14238616get a life bro go touch some grass
>>14238552actually made by a mexican (me)