>uhhhhhh let me overstretch my supply lines and uhhhhh add unseen destruction of my country to it>uhhhhm can i also have some uhm batshit crazy goons that rival my own autistic disorders uhhhhhWhy are people drawn to himDrop some esoteric nazi autism trivia pls (e.g. Himmler and his ring collection)
>>13755711>Why are people drawn to himBecause they're pussies and losers who need to look up to a "strong man" figure. Trump isn't Hitler obviously but you see the same thing amongst Trump supporters. They're too retarded to think for themselves or think critically so they latch onto the first bombastic dumb ass they find. Hitler was a loser and failure on a historical scale.
>>13755723>They're too retarded to think for themselves or think critically so they latch onto the first bombastic dumb ass they find.Yes yes... This definitely reminds me of Trump supporters. Now tell me more about the opinions coming from the glowing boxAs for op. Hitler was a fucking retard who knew how to give a speech but knew jack shit about fighting a war. People worship him originally to be edgy then double down to protect their identity
>>13755723Honestly hoped there was more to it tbqh>>13755759>jumps to muh glowing boxThe world isn't a binary of trump or cnnTrump is the most recent example due to vocal retardationYou can make the same argument for most othet current year political figures imhoJust less recognizable>knew how to give a speechIdk he does sound rather retarded to me
>>13755769>The world isn't a binary of trump or cnnAnd yet you, unbidden, pulled trump as a strong man. The state is an authority figure that you worship, cockgobbling faggot
>>13755796>youI'm op>you worship the stateI don't, i believe in the divinity of the republic, if cato believes in it as well then this makes me a catonian i suppose
>>13755711The support for him is ridiculous when you believe the ZOG portrayal of a drug addicted, diseased, maniac conning people because of level 100 speech skill or something. The understanding of him, just like the Holocaust, is incorrect. It is not entirely false, but it is only as true as it must be to serve the goal of those that construct the narrative
>>13755813Would you trust a Persian to tell you the history of Alexander’s conquest?
>>13755813>muh ZOGOk, what really happened and please cite some sources that aren't deranged and discredited>>13755819I didn't bring up trump originally
>>13755711>Why are people drawn to himYou spend too much time on 4chan.
>>13755813Umberto Eco said that>Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Which seems to be a projection on the anti-fascists part as usual. National Socialists are both bumbling fools who are wrong about everything and I can't even manage a logistics train, and also hyper competent demons capable of threatening global democracy and killing millions in the worst genocide of all time.
>>13755759>Hitler was a fucking retard who knew how to give a speech but knew jack shit about fighting a war.Eh, this is kind of nonsense. The main reasoning behind this is entirely from the memoirs and testimonies of German generals AFTER the war. Who obviously would blame the dead guy who can’t defend himself rather than admit maybe they made the wrong tactical choicesBig example is Hitler and Halder. Halder legit thought he could defeat the soviets by going north and taking Moscow because they’d immediately surrender after that. Even though the Germans would still be incredibly undersupplied, overstretched and out of oil. Halder believed this because… France surrender red after they took Paris. Yup. Russia is just like France. Except the endless space to retreat and regroup.Hitler wanted to go south. Take the food from Ukraine and oil from the Caucasus to keep the war machine going and the Germans fed.Halder decided fuck that. And put the bulk of supplies in army group north against Hitlers orders. Naturally he failed. And the undersupplied southern army groups failed to take the shit Hitler wanted in the first placeHalder was put in charge of the US army’s historical research team by the way. He literally was given all archival records and is known to have destroyed documents. Guess which ones? The ones that make him look dumb as fuck.It’s also where the “german super soldiers were winning… until the soviets overwhelmed them with pure numbers!” Narrative came from. It’s only more recently it’s clear that the combined axis forces EXCEEDED the soviets. Especially after the initial invasion of the east occupied such heavily populated area.The soviets had less men. Had to constantly regroup and still won.
>>13755824By referring to “discredited sources” you demonstrate an unwillingness to understand truth. The point is that you cannot trust the “credible” sources because they are presented as credible in the first place. Why is this source favored over that source by schools in my country/province? You cannot learn about reality without asking these questions first
>>13755849>muh conspiracyLook, i just want an explanation for the polish goldrush, why the leuchter report failed to acocunt for the big difference in dosages for lice and jew killing and so onThat'd be enough for me
>>13755846My point being, the “Hitler was an idiot and should have listened to his generals” narrative is false. And propagated by the same generals after the war.Also the “madman Hitler” narrative is just as false. Tactically invading the soviets at that point in time was 100% necessary because in less than six months they’d be out of oil anyway. And suffering a massive food crisis. Meaning they’d be fucked. Invading the soviets for food and oil was their only hope
>>13755849Do we know that governments lie? Yes, but we are so conditioned that we do not extend that truth to influence everything we hear. Certain subjects don’t lead us to ask if we’re being lied to. Everything can be false, misconstrued, or otherwise altered by the systems of power
>>13755846>I’s only more recently it’s clear that the combined axis forces EXCEEDED the soviets.What you mean is that the Soviets were too spread out and incompetent to bring their massive force to bear into one area, giving the illusion of being outnumbered. The Soviets total military dead outnumbers every Axis country, and not every Axis soldier was killed by a communist.
>>13755851You want a quick answer to the most important question of the last 80 years: What happened in the Second World War? As you try to learn, you’re looking down at your feet when you should be looking up. Systems exist. Realize this. Individual facts don’t matter; that’s how everyone is kept in a state of conflict. What leads a narrative to develop? Why is one chosen and another discarded? Civilizational narratives don’t appear out of thin air
>>13755866>narratives don't appear out if thin airThey do tho? They "appear" out of the general zeitgeist and culture
>>13755873They are dependent upon general opinion until the next generation. The authors of texts decide what the narrative is in the same way an oral storyteller decides how to sing his songs. Your opinions won’t matter in 100 years when textbooks are written; the authors will decide the narrative
Losers are drawn to losers, it's simply gravity.
>still no answerWhy are chuds so inept>>13755886And the narrative forcefully invented can be proven or disproven by looking at the evidence just like one offbrand story teller can be discredited bylooking at what other story tellers say happened and finding common "ancestors" between the stories told
>>13755894What evidence? Other written words, words that are just as vulnerable to human intervention? The lone dissenter may be the correct voice among a crowd of liars. All our Roman sources on the conquest of Gaul largely agree with each other and present a similar narrative, save some bickering over Caesar’s controversies. Do we say they are wholly true because they agree? Would we see a lone Gallic source and say they are wrong because the Romans are right?
>>13755905>what evidence other than human interventionsSo for example ground radar of settlements is just made up is what you saying?>muh written sourcesYa think all of history is just "x scrips says y ergo it's true" or something?
>>13755918Physical evidence doesn’t tell a story. You can find bones arrayed in a way to indicate a story, but you won’t have the whole truth. A skull with a bullet hole could be someone that was executed, accidentally killed, murdered, asked to be shot, or any other thing. Stories are narratives, and narratives are powered by words. They cannot exist without them.Again, you’re too focused on details. At this point what we’re talking about is bigger than the Holocaust or Hitler. I have my opinions, but the greater thing here is the essence of the redpill: we live in a constructed reality. That’s all that it means, and it means everything. The world is not as it seems, not as we are told it is. This is in history, science, economics, and everything else. Now, it is especially relevant to WW2 because of how its narrative serves as the cornerstone for the current world order. It’s frankly ridiculous to see how the world operates, see what informs that operation, and think that the information behind it just happened to be totally true. To borrow from Norm, isn’t it great that the good guys won every time?
>>13755963>physical evidence don't tell a storyUhm are you a troll or genuinely retarded?
>>13755976You’re very pharisaical. The worst part of this board is how many people are this way. I sometimes wonder if I’m the only real person here
>>13755986>find remains that show traces of human teeth and cutting akin to what we see in meat cuts>this tells me literally nothing about what could've happened here>find multiple remains like this accross an entire cultural sphere over centuries>huh i can't even make assumptioms about their culture and history based on this, i need written text from a victor firstIs this your brain on /pol/rot
>>13755711When you look at what Hitler actually said, it's clearly sane, plain, and accurate. This is not limited to the Nazis, but also for other regimes that they so viciously hated and destroyed, be it communism, pre war imperial europe, Baathism, and others. They differ in details, but are obviously valid in the same way that trains, trams, buses, or others are clearly valid means of transport. But their system is more like a vehicle powered by a thousand hamsters, with four wheels, three of them on one axle, needing not only the driver, but a staff of people who keep the hamsters fed, and ensure they all run in the correct direction, which is different for each hamster, and the chart of the correct directions has been lost. Now people are required to run this contraption forward, which is by law the way that makes the driver sit in the back, and anyone who disagrees is labelled clearly illiterate, or, if they have been educated about the madness of the people who tried to make vehicles run by exploding gasoline in a cylinder, or running electricity through a spool of copper wire, they are obviously evil or insane and a threat to the safety of other people.
>>13755963This is a troll I refuse to believe a human being can be this fucking retarded
>>13755711>Hitler receives intel from the German military about foreign armies>takes this intel into consideration while formulating plans on how to enact his foreign policy goals>points the military in the direction he wants while the actual planning out is all done by them>Intel he recieves on the Soviet Union is horribly flawed and inaccurate>once it starts going sideways in the east, all the officers start pointing fingersHitler cannot be blammed on the failure of Barbarossa. He military gave him flawed information about the reserve capabilities Stalin had, and he went forward with an invasion plan centered around this fake news. It was the militaries fault for not doing a good job in collecting accurate information about the capabilities of the Red Army and then formulating a plan around that to present to Hitler. He was not this over the shoulders wannbe general at all and left all the major choices to his officers while he put in his two cents.