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>"The Germans considered the island undefendable and their Italian allies useless: Facing superior numbers, German forces still managed to put up a successful defensive battle, allowing them to get 60,000 men plus heavy weapons across to the mainland, thanks to “relatively weak” delaying forces.
>The German commanders were not impressed by Patton’s drive to Palermo, which involved territory they had already given up. Nor were they overawed by the American performance.
>This view was most starkly presented by John Ellis in Brute Force, a comprehensive assessment of the Allied effort in World War II against Germany and Japan, which reduces Patton to some sort of a glorified traffic cop.
>Ellis characterizes his “much overrated” pursuit through Sicily as more of a "procession than an actual military offensive.”
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>A 1985 US Army study of the Lorraine campaign was highly critical of Patton. The document states:
>"Few of the Germans defending Lorraine could be considered first-rate troops. Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers."
>German commander of Army Group G in The Lorraine, Hermann Balck, who took command in September 1944 said of his troops: "I have never been in command of such irregularly assembled and ill-equipped troops. The fact that we have been able to straighten out the situation again…can only be attributed to the bad and hesitating command of the Americans."
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>The most succinct summary of the 1944 Battle of Arrancourt was the German tanks, including 77 Panthers, were fresh out of the factory, for the most part and likewise were most of the 'men', many hastily assembled Hiterjugend and "Volksturmn, with scarcely a fortnight's training, and no combat experience.
>None of those that crewed the Panthers had any combat experience, and due to severe shortages of gasoline, driver training was limited to ONE hour, each.
> The bulk of the Panther losses weren't even by enemy fire, but were ABANDONED after they overheated or their defective final drive units gave out
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>>13743573
bump
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>>13743574
>Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers.
There is legitimately no way this is true.
>"Everyone in the company, raise your hand if you have stomach ulcers! You're going in the stomach ulcer battalion! Someone start signing to the deaf guys and rounding up the cooks; they're getting battalions too, fuck it."
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Y'know everyone kinda knows this by now, right? Even the movie shows him to be a bit of a buffoon.
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>>13743574
>whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers
This sounds like something straight out of the movie 300 and I don't believe it.
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>>13745516
>>13745689
These, there must be some sort of middle ground between "Patton was Genghis Khan with tanks" and "The German high command deliberately sent their weakest units against Patton because...they felt bad for him idk"
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Who was America's best WW2 commander?
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>>13746607
montgomery, or at least the best commander to command american units.

otherwise probably bradley.
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>>13746607
MacArthur
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>>13745750
It was because the war was lost and they wanted as much of Germany as they could in the hands of the western allies and not the soviets, from whom they feared a expected a bitter revenge.
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>>13743573
>>13743574
>>13743578
>>13745176
>>13745516
>>13745524
>>13745689
>>13745750
>>13746607
>>13747012
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>>13749669
>not a single primary source is given
Let’s look at the results.
Patton smashes and pursued the Germans who hammered and humiliated the communists on the eastern front.
Hitler’s fanatical bodyguard, fighting a numerically inferior American force (who had no tanks or heavy weapons), is not only unable to defeat the Americans but the Americans turn it around and route then pursue the Germans, Hitler’s elite would never recover from this blow, their numbers were never fully replenished nor would they have as many tanks as they had before they encountered 3,000 American BVLLS.
Patton dominated Europe. The Soviets feared him.
He didn’t even a lift a finger and Stalin died in a puddle of piss and the Soviet Onion collapsed kek.
>no papa Britain please stop the Americans
>no daddy Marx the Americans are humiliating us again
>nooo Hitler pls save me

Euroapes seethe
American made
Simple as
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Didn't Rommel humiliate his ass in Libya despite being outnumbered and outgunned in every way possible?
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>>13743578
VGH, GLORIUS PRUSSIAN ENGINEERING
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>>13750996
Rommel mostly sparred with Montgomery and the Anglos in Libya and Tunisia
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>>13750996
Rommel never faced an army commanded by Patton. He regularly humiliated Monty though.
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>>13751070
no he didnt, Monty took over for the second battle at el alamain, after that point the germans were pushed back consistently and Rommel never managed a victory against Monty in the desert, he did manage a few tactical victories against the americans although Patton didnt suffer more than a draw himself
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>>13750792
you also failed to cite a single primary source
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Yeah yeah yeah America sucks and only ever fought 10 year olds in Stahlhelms and Mr. Magoo. Go make a thread sucking off worker's hero Field Marshall Literalski Whodanov and how he single-handedly fought off the 21st SS Mecha division "Das Zaku" in his Crimson Dynamo powersuit at Kursk.
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>>13745516
>raise your hand if you have stomach ulcers
Such things obviously come up in the draft registry. And it makes perfect sense to put those guys in one unit, which then receives special food to reduce the problem, gets extra supplies of medicine, maybe a specially trained doctor. The alternative is either not drafting them, or seeing tons of them drop out and disrupt the formations they were put in.
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>>13752608
Do cooks need special food too?
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>>13752581
/pol/tranny cope
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>>13753429
no, you get companies of cooks or other support personnel when larger units strip their support units of men to reinforce the frontline when manpower is short, as was not infrequently the case for the germans in 1944-45
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>>13753437
>Mad enough to respond
Marxoid detected
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>>13752388
History is my primary source.
>>13753437
Pipe down you pathetic jewtroon.
Even Stalin off the record said America did the heavy lifting in WWII
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>>13743573
>Facing superior numbers, German forces still managed to put up a successful defensive battle

Don't credit the German Army for the horrible terrain. Mountains and rocky hills are easy to defend when you're had time to dig in. Assaulting them was a long and tedious campaign. Flat soil, with rolling hills and good roads and it would have been done in 1/4 the time.
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That truck hitting him was the best thing to salvage his legacy before he ruined it.
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american ""general""
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>>13746607
Nimitz.
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>>13746607
Spruance
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>>13743573
It's pretty difficult to judge the competence of American troops and generals in the Second World War, because they were always fighting an underequipped or surrounded opponent with no air support while themselves perfectly supplied and with near-total air superiority. While fighting on uneven terms like this is a demonstration of the superiority of their logisticians and planners, it doesn't tell us much about their actual soldiers
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>>13756023
Americans couldnt even shoes while the Germans repositioned their best troops from the east to the West.

Germany knew who the real threat was.
The Soviets were ez mode.
Americans completely destroyed Germany, and then humiliated unccy joe and his commie kike band.
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>>13754104
No, you dumb ass. That whole paragraph was a fabrication, and bullshit. Quit defending idiocy, just because it fits your narrative.
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>>13756089
I have no idea about the cooks, but I did read about those units composed of men with all the same diseases before. It really does make sense if you're that short on manpower.
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>>13743574
>Third Army encountered whole battalions made up of deaf men, others of cooks, and others consisting entirety of soldiers with stomach ulcers."
This reads like some fantasy shit. Did they also have whole battalions of castrated soldiers, or morbidly obese soldiers?
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>>13750996
no, it was the general before Patton, Lloyd Frendedall. Patton even comment, "I cannot see what Fredendall did to justify his existence."
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>>13756023
Who cares? No one does this shit with the Soviets
>Well ackchoally if the Germans had 1:1 tank/artillery...
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>>13750792
dying in your own glorious excretion at your own leisure > dying next to a man called Hobart Gay because your head hit some glass
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>>13756132
If the Germans are simply trying to send every able man to the west to surrender then it wouldn't matter if cooks or men with stomach ulcers are segregated per regiment. The whole thing reads like someone desperate to tarnish Patton's legacy because they thought the movie was hagiographic and Bradley's journal was gospel.
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>>13743573
>>13746607
childhood is idolizing Patton. Adulthood is realizing Bradly made more sense.
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>>13756023
>it doesnt take effective leadership to coordinate logistics
>it doesnt take effective military insight to coordinate those logistics around an enemy
>it doesnt take effective military leadership to take and maintain air superiority
War is literally 80% logistics, 19% politics, and 1% fighting. The American logistical advantage is what makes them, to this day, the most powerful conventional force on the planet. All this coping about battle outcomes is the dumbbest, most idiotic shit only put on by people who've never fought a war but romanticize getting shot for some reason.
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>>13745516
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>>13756132
>>13754104
>>13756089
The units were put together from emptied out hospital wards, that's why they had the same shit.
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>>13743578
>The most succinct summary of the 1944 Battle of Arrancourt was the German tanks, including 77 Panthers, were fresh out of the factory, for the most part and likewise were most of the 'men', many hastily assembled Hiterjugend and "Volksturmn, with scarcely a fortnight's training, and no combat experience.
>None of those that crewed the Panthers had any combat experience, and due to severe shortages of gasoline, driver training was limited to ONE hour, each.
> The bulk of the Panther losses weren't even by enemy fire, but were ABANDONED after they overheated or their defective final drive units gave out

None of this is true, you fucking retarded Weheraboo. Germshits got their ass handed to them at Arracourt, and that's that.
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>>13749669
>It was because the war was lost and they wanted as much of Germany as they could in the hands of the western allies and not the soviets

Wrong. Krautshits were fighting fanatically in the west as well, until about April when the front just completely collapsed and discipline eroded.
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>>13757549
actually the few German units who had success against the Soviets were diverted to fight the Americans.
Americans would still beat the Soviets to the German "hinterland".
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>>13756067
Yeah? Well, you can't slippers
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>>13758212
>no men left
>kid go drive tank
>no training no fuel
>tank breaks cause crap
is not being a rarted "patriot" american considered wehraboo now ?
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>>13754600
>country over the ocean did something else besides lend-leasing and putting their men into meat grinders to not look bad
right
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>>13758222
Except that 70% of german forces were fighting the russians in the east and your murrican forces had it easy given their air superiority. The russians crushed the german army. Murricans were only needed for lend-lease. But go on believing your own propaganda. You guys are unable to learn.
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>>13743573
patton turned his tanks against wwi vets and refused to speak to a man who had saved his life in battle. hes a faggot who if anything went crazy from shame and trying to reconcile his belief that he was a patriot
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>>13758855
Why did he do that?
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>>13759707
jews told him to and hes a golem



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