Why is the middle ages so frequently lauded as a utopia?
People are free to project their retarded fantasies on anything they don't have to actually experience and confirm the mediocre reality of.
I reject the premise of your question. It is not frequently lauded as a utopia.
Damn bros, that sheep is lookin' fine. I wish I lived on a farm :(
>>13319505only christcucks do that
>>13319505I don't, it just looks more aesthetic than glass and steel cityscapes
>>13319505No one sees it as an "utopia", but it's considered comfy due to the lack of highways, cars, telephone wires, plastic garbage littering the countryside...etc
>>13319505>>13319513>>13319518>>13319527Whites in the 1890s preferred to live among plains Indians than among the burgeoning industrial powers of Europe and the US.Even the wealthy ones.
>>13319505>Why is the middle ages so frequently lauded as a utopia?lmao what the fuck
>>13319505Better times than nowadays.It’s an utopia only by comparison to the hellscape we live in today.
>>13319505romanticism
>>13319505I think a lot of people alive today would have honestly been happier at various points and places in History. Not everyone is born into the best time for their particular skillset and values to translate to the most satisfactory lifestyle, you know?Some people probably would be better off living in the middle ages, or in the bronze age, or living at sea during the age of sail.Some of the people who lived back during those times would be a lot happier living nowadays as well, and would love to trade places with us. And some wouldn't. Some people are lucky. They get to be born into the right life and be happy all their lives. If that didn't happen to you, better luck with whatever comes next.
>>13319505it's literally losers projecting fantasy on a lifestyle they don't understand. My parents grew up in rural Mazandaran and lived as people did in the middle ages. No electricity, tap water, police, hospitals, or anything. People don't really grasp what that means>loads of children dying because of lack of vaccinations or modern medical tech>there's no basic medicine to treat basic stuff. Just use opium to dull the pain. An infection or broken bone can be life threatening>life is work. work is life. Even the Amish get their tools and basic goods from modern society. There's none of that. There's no cops or anything to deal with injustices, your community has to deal with it themselves. It sounds "based" at first until you consider implications of liars, narcissists and sociopaths in general population which fuck with any chance of getting fair justice. It's a might is right situation and that's not fair. Life is fucking tough and the people romanticizing it are failing to succeed in the easiest time in human history. Like some peewee soccer player that thinks he's going to do better in the champions league.
>>13319599I wrote this here >>13319600 and youre wrong. People are unhappy today because they are overstimulated with dopamine devices like video games, porn, electronics, social media, junk food and drugs. Dopamine dulls your life so that anything but looking at a screen makes you unhappy. If you quit artificial stimulants it wil eventually reset. You're living in the greatest era of human history where you can exchange a bit of your time for fresh tap water, a fridge full of food, minimal manual labor, a comfortable bed. Most of the Kings of history didn't live this fucking good. People are unhappy because they've had modern tech usurp their dopamine circuit which wasn't designed for this modern world. You have to cut this shit out of your life and youll be 100000% happier for it
>>13319505There's literally nothing stopping anyone in the 1st world to live as during the middle ages if they wished to. Yet no one does it voluntairly.
>>13319628If a Western man started burning trannies and killing Arabs, he would be sent to jail.
>>13319514>>13319559>Large families>120 days of work a year>Wealthy aristocrats do all the fighting>Everybody is pious and knows they're going to Heaven>Easy, meaningful work that brings fulfillment>Get married at 16 to a pretty wife and have a dozen children>Safe, tight-knit communities>Go fishing, hunting, and partying in your down time>Kindly clergy who will support you in times of trouble>Wise king who looks after your needsThis seems to be the general consensus of what the middle ages was like for a lot of people. I don't know how true it is but it certainly seems a utopia to me.
>>13319505ugly incels desperately want to live in another time and place disregarding the fact that they would still be ugly incels. it's easier to yearn for another time and place rather than imagine you weren't born a freak.
>>13319678Trannies didn't exist in the Middle Ages. They were invented in Weimar Germany
>>13319505I don't think anybody but giga retard tradlarpers say it was a utopia, sure it wasn't nearly as bad as hollywood makes it out to be (a noble wasn't just going to randomly cuck you and then beat you to death for the hell of it most of the time), but most agree it was still a shitty time for most
>>13319726I'm pretty sure trannies would receive the same punishment as homosexuals in Medieval Europe.
>>13319505Contrarianism to the long held position that it was a horrible dark age. That's it really
>>13319699>This seems to be the general consensus of what the middle ages was like for a lot of people.Where did you get the idea that whatever you wrote is the general consensus?
>>13319678There's still a state-funded arab-killing program in most western countries and they take foreign volunteers anon
>>13319789From countless people on 4chan saying it.
>>13319699but no 4chan to post on though...
>>13319699>Easy, meaningful work that brings fulfillmentFarming and living off the land is not easy work, but even then not everyone had work. Especially in the 13th and early 14th centuries there was lots of unemployment because all the land was already taken and there were no more economic opportunities for people. Huge numbers of peasants migrated from village to village trying to find work.>Get married at 16 to a pretty wifePeasants who didn't hold land (whether owned or rented) couldn't marry because everyone knew that they could hardly support themselves, let alone a family. People had to spend years working irregular jobs to save up enough money for land. Anyway, marrying at 16 was more of a southern European thing. In northern Europe people married in their late 20s and 30s.>and have a dozen childrenAnd half of them would die, and there was a big chance that the mother would die in childbirth.>Wise king who looks after your needsKings didn't really do much for the common people. At least in England they ran royal courts of justice that people could appeal to if they didn't like the ruling in their local manor court. But in other places there was no such court, and in France the peasants were subject to their lords' rulings until the Revolution in 1789. There's a reason why the first thing they did was burn the manor court documents.
>>13319505Tolkien
>>13320037>Farming and living off the land is not easy workI think when people have the middle ages in mind, they typically think about bringing their current pool of knowledge with them, which would help considerably. Wood stoves, brick kilns, new world foods and crop rotation/general agricultural education/modern sanatation methods would go a long way for that time period. Even changing how food processing is done would be quite a huge help to the work load when it comes to harvest time.Having started homesteading myself, I can say that I personally enjoy the work a lot more than I thought I would. I am by no means totally self sufficient, but I cut out a shit ton of store bought products. Eggs, fertilizer, soap, toothpaste, sodas, cooking oils and gardening implements are all things I no longer need to buy because I can either supplement it or make it myself.
>>13319726Trannies are just advanced crossdressers.
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>>13319699I wish this was the general consensus,but hollywood portrays it as if were the ice-age
>>13319567>1890sThe "Wild" West was already over by then. They loved the idea of Buffalo Bills show.
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>>13319699>Large familiestrue, but half your children will die>120 days of work a yearfalse, this is roughly based on the work needed in their landlord's fields for their right to their own small plot, which they then needed to work to feed themselves and their family and alleviate their poverty>Wealthy aristocrats do all the fightingpartly true, war was actually quite rare and when it happened it would be the nobility lesser nobility, yeomen, gentry and so forth, who would go off and fight, although they had a system to levy troops it was not like modern conscription where they would grab ordinary people, they would be drawn mainly from these groups, although some cities and the anglo-saxon burrh system during the viking invasions resembled conscription>Everybody is pious and knows they're going to Heavenmost people unironically believed this, although religion could be easily warped to fit someone's greed or sadism, there were bad eggs as in every society>Easy, meaningful work that brings fulfillmentit would be meaningful and you would likely be raised to do that work, on your family farm or as an apprentice, you would have a job for life unlike our chaotic constantly shifting highly competitive modern economy>Get married at 16 to a pretty wife and have a dozen children, marriage ages varied, according the 18th century parish records in England most married in their early 20s, marriage and sex was generally put off by prudish religious people>Safe, tight-knit communitiesgenerally true>Go fishing, hunting, and partying in your down timepoaching was illegal in most places, nearly every scrap of productive land had some sort of claim to it, they did have many festivals throughout the year>Kindly clergy who will support you in times of troubleabbots and priests could be notoriously greedy>Wise king who looks after your needskings delegated to barons and officials who could be corrupt and repressive and cause unrest
>>13319527I know some pagans who do that.
>>13319514This
>>13319699120 days of work on the feudal lord's fields so you are free to grow and harvest your own food as well alongside take care of all the other maintenance-work.Any moron who keeps posting this 120-day figure implying medeval peasants could technically just sit around and do nothing for two thirds of the year if they felt like it, should back it up by describing what they actually did during that time. Do Amish people have two thirds of the year off, or are they just doing it wrong compared to their 13th century counterparts?
>>13319699What they are saying is that it was better to be a medival peasant than a modern wagecuck not that it was a utopia.
>>13323090I was monarchist romanticist until I learned all European royal houses had Jewish influence in one way or another. And then there is the conduct of the modern royal families of Europe. Hitler was right to want them exterminated.
>>13319726I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least a few unrecorded cases during the medeval period where, when the local effeminate tailor who couldn't be taken seriously as a man anyway chose to wear one of his dresses, nobody gave a shit, just like the social acceptability of drunkenness, prostitution and being pregnant out of wedlock changed depending on time and place.
>>13323278>Jewish influenceIs having advisors wrong?
>>13323279Deuteronomy 22:5
>>13323278>Jewish influenceCan you name examples? Genuinely interested, the only other place I've heard that up till now is in "Der Untertan" (book included in pic) where the protagonist Dieterich Hessling claims that basically all major feudal families have been judaised apart from the Hohenzollerns, which he's a diehard fanboy of.
>>13323298You are presuming that all europeans were hardcore conservative christians throughout the whole medeval period, everywhere, all the time. Charlemagne did not even believe in monogamy (for himself, anyway) despite being a fierce advocate for Christendom, yet conservatives want us to believe that just because everyone was technically christian, they were also extremely devout, always, without any exceptions, not even for Antonio who just wants to wear that dress and has even worn the local priest down after endless confessions to the point that he's looking the other way and saying "I guess it's alright if he does x number of hail marys or whatever"
Niggerfatigue.
People idolize it because they do not have to do farmwork with manual tools for many many hours under sweltering heat.
>>13319505>implying it wasn't
>>13323267Well what's there to complain about for a medieval serf?
>>13319505It's was a "man's world." Work with women for long enough and it's easy to romanticise saving the princess and all that.
>>13321841No they were still living with natives in tps.
>>13320037>Huge numbers of peasants migrated from village to village trying to find work.That's where the term "bondservent" comes from; a five year employment contract including room and board
>>13319699>Wealthy aristocrats do all the fightingObviously untrue, and I know you don't even believe this.>Easy, meaningful work that brings fulfillmentIt was not easy. The overwhelming majority of people did not starve to death, but that was never a fate they were very far from. Labor was backbreaking, took all day, and practically everyone had some experience of being short on food for weeks on end.>Get married at 16 to a pretty wife and have a dozen childrenIt wasn't always that easy to get a cottage and some land. Getting married in your late-twenties was not unheard of.>Safe, tight-knit communitiesThe crime rate was much higher than in Europe today.>Go fishing, huntingPoaching, you mean. And hoping the local lord doesn't hang you for it.>Wise king who looks after your needsBad kings were as common as good ones.
>>13319600>No medicineMedieval people actually had an used basic antiseptics in the firm of honey and vinegar. They didn't know WHY these worked, but they did know they worked to prevent infection.
>>13319699Hahahaha no.>Easy workHard labor, do it wrong or get unlucky and you starve.>Go huntingHunt anything bigger than a rabbit and you risk being killed or crippled if a Forester catches you.>FishingLargely illegal unless you're taking a boat out. If you do, it's fucking dangerous.>Meaningful workNo, you're scrabbling to not die or fail to pay your tax obligations while being VERY bored.>Nobles do all the fightingIt's true, you'd probably never go to war.War would, however, come to you and proceed to kill you, rape your wife, and burn all your shit.
>>13319505Because it was
>>13319600Damn dude
>>13320853Eunuchs.
>>13319699>>120 days of work a year>>Wealthy aristocrats do all the fighting>>Easy, meaningful work that brings fulfillment>>Kindly clergy who will support you in times of troubleNot true>>Get married at 16 to a pretty wife and have a dozen childrenGenerally not true if you are a man>>Kindly clergy who will support you in times of trouble>>Wise king who looks after your needsThey don't care about you
>>13324264It was the same for my parents too. Spider's webs, honey, urine and garlic are great for cleaning wounds and healing. These aren't replacements for modern medicine though.
>>13319600give persian gf
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