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Why is it that neolithic farmers, a warlike culture that had contacts across the entire European continent, got BTFO so hard by indo-europeans? Literally all over the continent they got BTFO except for Sardinia which was an island the IEs couldnt reach
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Good question. Also, that part about Trypillia is incorrect. There were pre-Yamnaya steppe cultures. You don't need Yamnaya to destroy or cause Trypillian decline. There was Sredni Stog for example.
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>>12673869
because indo european whites are superior? what a stupid question OP..
read Mein kampf and wake up
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>>12673897
They literally have evidence of horse influx, burned down houses and mass depopulation lol, pretty obvious a bunch of ARYON CHADS just came in and deleted there gay euro-arab farmcuck society
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Also, it's a mistake to think of Trypillians looking like modern Mediterraneans. For example it seems like blue eyes were really common among them. More common than in Yamnaya or Corded Ware.
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>>12673908
Horses are irrelevant.
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>>12673908
correct.. indoeuropean whites migrated from their great Mesopotamian civilisations with golden chariots to wipe out all the niggers in europe
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Ancient Indo European resemble Afghans and Pakis (most likely the Kalash people and Nuristani people)
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>>12673924
No. They were their own thing. Afghans and Pakistanis are very different genetically.
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Not so fast Indo-niggers.

>We identified signals of inward migration on a scale unsuspected from the archaeological record: as elsewhere in Bronze Age Britain, much of the population displayed significant genome-wide ancestry deriving ultimately from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. However, uniquely in northern and central Europe, most of the male lineages were inherited from the local Neolithic. This suggests that some male descendants of Neolithic Orkney may have remained distinct well into the Bronze Age, although there are signs that this had dwindled by the Iron Age.
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What Indo European war bands really look like (minus modern tech)
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> "But but bu...they have dark skin!"
Thats what fighting and marching to fight and retreating to fight another day under the hot sun does to a man
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>>12673960
wrong, they had pasty white skin with red/blonde and green/blue eyes, Proto Germanics
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> "but what about the blonde hair"
Some probably did. Most didnt
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>>12673937
Youre right. I shouldve said "Pashtuns and Punjabis"
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The valleys of the Hindu Kush are probably the last lands where Aryans are most pure in blood and in custom but only because thats where they had taken refuge from Mongols and Turks and Arabs. The latter utilized superior light cavalry to outflank their foes by fleeing to lure into traps. But such maneuvers didnt work in the narrow valleys of the Hindu Kush were Korasani heavy cavalrymen (Knights) could use their superior frontal charge to chase the invaders outta the valleys as well as build castles on top of the many hills to reside in and overlook the valleys, whose soil was fertilized by rivers from Himalayan glaciers
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>>12673999
Norwegia and Iceland actually.
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>>12673999
ireland/scotland are the most pure of the ancient aryans. this is proven
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>>12674011
Nah. It depends what you mean by ancient Aryans. If PIE then no one is really that closely related to them. If Corded Ware/Sintashta then Nordics. It makes sense when you think about it.
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> proto-Germanic
Germans the rape babies of Aryan warbands (Koryos) from Asia and of funnelbeaker farmers
In the early 3rd millennium BC, the Corded Ware culture appeared in Northern Europe. Its peoples were of marked steppe-related ancestry and traced their origins in cultures further east. This period is distinguished by the construction of numerous defensive palisades in Funnelbeaker territory, which may be a sign of violent conflict between the Funnelbeakers, Corded Ware, and Pitted Ware.[11] By 2650 BC, the Funnelbeaker culture had been replaced by the Corded Ware culture.[6] Genetic studies suggest that Funnelbeaker women were incorporated into the Corded Ware culture through intermixing with incoming Corded Ware males, and that people of the Corded Ware culture continued to use Funnelbeaker megaliths as burial grounds.[12] Subsequent cultures of Late Neolithic, Bronze Age, and Iron Age Central Europe display strong maternal genetic affinity with the Funnelbeaker culture
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funnelbeaker_culture
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>>12674016
well ancient Aryans weren't exactly descendant from primates of this earth.. this is seen through the RH- factor of someone's blood type.. and this is seen mostly in irish/Scottish populations and their global descendants
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>>12674046
We have ancient DNA. The Irish are too southern. PIE lacked farmer admixture and modern Irish are like 37% farmer.
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My tribe have sex with your female
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>>12674037
>wikipedia
Worthless.
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Wtf sand boarding using cows? This is the age of cameras and these retards forgot the spoked wheel
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Pathetic and cuckish as always when people talk shit about 45% of themself and glorify the other part.

You are literally farmer/aryan mutts
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> The Koryos (Aryan warband):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B3ryos
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>>12674092
check your blood type before disrespecting pure blood aryans on the internet, spastic jew
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> The kóryos were composed of adolescent males (presumably from 12–13 up to 18–19 years of age), usually coming from prominent families and initiated together into manhood as an age-class cohort.[25] After undergoing painful trials to enter the group, they were sent away to live as landless warriors in the wild for a number of years, within a group ranging from two to twelve members. The young males went without possession other than their weapons, living on the edges of their host society.[26] Social behaviour normally forbidden, such as stealing, raiding, or sexually assaulting women, were therefore tolerated amongst kóryos members, as long as the malevolent acts were not directed at the host society.[27] Their activities were seasonal, and they lived with their home community for a part of the year.
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Their life was centred on military duties, hunting wild animals and pillaging settlements on one side; and on the recitation of heroic poetry telling the deeds of past heroes and cattle theft legends on the other side.[26][29] A tradition of epic poetry celebrating heroic and violent warriors conquering loot and territories (which were portrayed as possessions the gods wanted them to have) probably participated in the validation of violence among the kóryos. The leader of the band, the *koryonos, was determined with a game of dice, and the result accepted as the gods' choice. The other members pledged to die for him, and to kill for him.[30] He was regarded as their master in the rite of passage, but also as their 'employer' since the young warriors served as his bodyguards and protectors.[31]
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>>12674112
>>12674121
Those were big migrations, not some koryos nonsense.
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The war-bands consisted of shape-shifting warriors wearing animal skins to assume the nature of wolves or dogs.[38][39][40] Members of the kóryos adopted wolfish behaviours and bore names containing the word 'wolf' or 'dog', each a symbol of death and the Otherworld in Indo-European belief.[41] The idealized attributes of the kóryos were indeed borrowed from the imagery surrounding the wolf: violence, trickery, swiftness, great strength, and warrior fury.[42] By identifying with the wild animals, kóryos members perceived themselves as physically and legally moved outside the human world, and therefore no longer restrained by human taboos. When returning to their normal life, they would feel no remorse for breaking the rules of their home society because they had not been humans or at least not living in the cultural space of the host society when those rules were broken.
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>>12674148
It's a meme. Koryos are irrelevant. Those dumb anthropologists created so many retarded myth about those steppe niggers it's unbelievable.
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>>12674108
>pure blood
>aryan
There is no such thing lol at most the highest % aryan someone can be is 50% cope mutt
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>>12674162
if one is Rhesus factor Negative then they are technically pure blooded aryan. As per the term "blood" . Aryans are not descedant from Primates of this earth and have been strategically placed here in this realm to face the war against the reptiloid jews
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>>12674129
Koryos had a role in making way for big migrations. The raids into villages by bands of youth displaced the local inhabitants, clearing the way for Aryan families to arrive and settle. Most warfare in these times, as in all times, was on the small scale (ambushes, raids, duels). Battles between big armies were relatively rare and often avoided.
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The conflicting opposition between death and invulnerability is suggested by the attributes generally associated with the kóryos: great strength, resistance to pain, and lack of fear.[31] The typical state of warrior fury or frenzy was supposed to increase his strength above natural expectations, with ecstatic performances accentuated by dances and perhaps by the use of drugs.[52][53] The Indo-European term for a 'mad attack' (*eis) is common to the Vedic, Germanic, and Iranian traditions
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>>12674174
You don't really need koryos for that. Koryos was supposedly some kind of initiation rite, not a preparation for massive migration.
Also, there's nothing exactly unique about this stuff. American Indians, Mongols, Papuans, even African Bushmen have similar initiation rites.
Like I said, the mythologization of PIE is beyond retarded.
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Many kurgan stelae found in the Pontic–Caspian steppe, which are associated with the Proto-Indo-European culture, depict a naked male warrior carved on the stone with little else than a belt and his weapons. In later Indo-European traditions, kóryos raiders likewise wore a belt that bound them to their leader and the gods, and little else.[59]

In Ancient Greek and Roman literary sources, the Germani and Celts were often portrayed as fighting naked or semi naked, armed only with light weapons.[40][52] At the battle of Telamon (225 BC), Gallic warriors reportedly wore only trousers and capes.[60] In the Norse tradition, Berserker usually scorned the use of armour to favour animal skins, and they were sometimes also said to fight naked.[52] Ancient Italic tribes also had in their ranks berserk-like warriors who fought naked, barefoot, flowing-haired, and often in single combat.[61] Similarly, young Vedic boys wore only a belt and an animal skin during their initiation within the kóryos.[62]

Celtiberian statuettes from the 5th–3rd centuries BC depict naked warriors with a sword, a small round shield (caetra), a "power belt", and sometimes a helmet.[60] The tradition of kurgan stelae featuring warriors with a belt is also common in the Scythian cultures.[59] According to military historian Michael P. Speidel, the scene 36 of Trajan's Column, which shows bare-chested, bare-footed young men wearing only a shield, could be a depiction of Germanic Berserkers.
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Anthony was wrong about too many things to take his theories seriously.
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>>12674206
> "You dont need Koryos for that. Koryos is just an initiation rite"
I disagree.
> Koryos were warbands of teenage boys. Id just use the term warband but since we are specifically talking about Indo Europeans, might as well
> Migrating is difficult and especially difficult in ancient times. When people migrated in ancient times, its because of reasons such looking for greener pastures and fertile lands, being displaced by a threat, or running out of animals to hunt in turf
> when encroaching on another tribe's turf/land, there will inevitably be conflict over that land and its food. While trade did happen, it usually involved a few foreigners who were expected to leave. Migration on the Aryan scale involved entire tribes of hungry vagrant people with little to offer.
> "such things also exist in other cultures"
Yes, which just goes to show that having young boys join parties to set out to small scale war had benefits to communal societies in the past.
> "PIE is mythologized"
To some extent, yes. But this is because we are on an English language board influenced moreso by Western culture. Im sure on public forums dominated by Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, Africans, etc theyre constantly talking about Three Kingdoms, Islam, and Zulus or whatever
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The kóryos is usually associated with the colour black, or at least dark,[40] and with the mobilization of chtonic forces.[64] Frequent references are made to the "black earth" or the "dark night" in the Indo-European literature, and hunting and fighting at night appears to have been one of the distinguishing characteristics of the kóryos.[65][64]

In the Vedic tradition, the followers of Indra and Rudra wore black clothes, and the young heroes of Medieval Armenia were called "black youths" (t'ux manuks). The "black" Aram is the idealized figure of the kóryos leader in Armenian myths, and his armies are said to suddenly attack adversaries "before dawn" in the borderlands of Armenia.[65]

The Athenian ephebes traditionally wore a black chlamys,[64] and the Ancient Greek tradition featured an initiation ritual imposed upon young males in which "black hunters" were sent out to the frontier to perform military exploits.[66] Indeed, the Greek model of the black hunter, Meleager, is named after the word for "black" (melas),[67] and the Armenian name Aram stems from the root *rē-mo- ('dirt, soot').[68]

The Roman historian Tacitus (1st c. AD) also mentions the Germanic Harii (whose name could derive from *kóryos) as "savages" wearing black shields, dyeing their bodies, and choosing dark nights for battle.[69][70] Kershaw has proposed that the Harii were the kóryos of the neighbouring Lugii tribe
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>>12674283
Jesus, that pic related has the worst description
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>>12674270
My point is that Koryos is irrelevant for the successful spread of Indo-Europeans. If anything the migrations resembled the migration period from historical times, especially the Slavis migrations which replaced 20-70% of local Balkan ancestry and brought their own Y-DNA which today dominates in the Balkans.
It's obviously a very similar scenario.
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>>12673967
>Proto Germanics
Germanics and scandis in general are the product of blue eyed blonde haired women (EEF) getting raped by darker featured men from the steppe. Genetic studies show that steppe men had darker features overall and lighter skin women were sexually selected for by the invaders. Of course there was a migration of IE women into Europe as well, but most pre IE lineages (I1, I2, E, G, etc) got replaced by R1a or R1b

>>12674016
>If Corded Ware/Sintashta then Nordics.
Not at all. Pretty much all Indian males have IE haplogroups and even Dravidians have large amounts of steppe ancestry autosomally. Not only this, but the word Aryan is derived from the Sanskrit "Arya", which was then popularized in Nazi germany along with the Indian swastika

>>12674065
>genetic studies
>worthless
Dumb faggot
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>>12674313
>Of course there was a migration of IE women into Europe as well, but most pre IE lineages (I1, I2, E, G, etc) got replaced by R1a or R1b
Like what happened in the Balkans after the Slavic migration.
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>>12674304
My point is that isnt irrelevant. Migration went hand in hand with war. Most tribes didnt permit foreigners, in this case the Yamnaya, to just waltz into their village in the thousands
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>>12674346
Yamnaya is also irrelevant. They barely contributed to European gene pool. Corded Ware is most likely from eastern tribes related to Sredni Stog. They got pushed West by expanding Yamnaya.
The whole story about le epic steppe warriors is a hogwash.
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>>12674343
>Like what happened in the Balkans after the Slavic migration.
Yes I believe so. That being said, we still see pockets of older haplogroups in Europe. Like in the balkans, there are males with I2 which is also highly correlated with height, and peaks in the Dinaric alps
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>>12674374
I2 in the Balkans is of Slavic origin. J2b and E1b1b is pre-Slavic - Illyrian and Thracian. And some E1b1b might also be Slavic.
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>>12674366
>They are also closely connected to Final Neolithic cultures, which later spread throughout Europe and Central Asia, especially the Corded Ware people and the Bell Beaker culture, as well as the peoples of the Sintashta, Andronovo, and Srubnaya cultures. Back migration from Corded Ware also contributed to Sintashta and Andronovo
Yamnaya is extremely important because it is the originator for the inital migration of IE people around the world. Pretty much every IE culture originates from Yamnaya, at least the ones with Chariots and Bronze swords. The level of destruction in Europe must have been immense even compared to that in India, Central Asia, and the middle east, considering how cucked the EEF farmers were
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>>12674381
>I2 in the Balkans is of Slavic origin
They speak slavic but scientists believe I2 existed in the alps before Slavs migrated there.


>J2b and E1b1b is pre-Slavic - Illyrian and Thracian.
This is probably neolithic time period

>E1b1b might also be Slavic.
when did E ever get spread by Indo Europeans? The main Slav haplogroup is R1a.
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>>12674396
Pretty much not. Different subclades and slightly different ancestry. Yamnaya didn't have any chariots or bronze age swords. Corded Ware used stone hammers, barely had horses and didn't bury themselves with wagons like Yamnaya. Also, their horses, which they used probably as food source, were genetically different from Yamnaya horses.

This is not 2015 anymore. We know a lot more about what happened.
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>>12674407
>They speak slavic but scientists believe I2 existed in the alps before Slavs migrated there.
Yeah, scientists from 2010. It's a Slavic subclade.
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>>12674313
>but most pre IE lineages (I1, I2, E, G, etc) got replaced by R1a or R1b

How do you explain that the dominant haplogroup in scandinavia is I1 then?
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>>12674366
> "Yamnaya is also irrelevant"
> "Corded Ware got pushed West by expanding Yamnaya."
Which is it?
> "Yamnaya barely contributed to European gene pool."
I dont know how true this claim is but Ill take your word for it.
> "The whole story about le epic steppe warriors is a hogwash"
Why do you say that? Steppe warriors throughout history have an impressive track record of martial prowess relative to their numbers and resources
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>>12674422
Yamnaya were like Huns or Avars, their genetic impact in Europe is minimal.
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>>12674410
>Yamnaya didn't have any chariots or bronze age swords
Sintashta did, and they descended from Yamnaya.

>Corded Ware used stone hammers, barely had horses and didn't bury themselves with wagons like Yamnaya.
Corded ware was still warlike as hell though. They were earlier on in the IE expansion and had not developed technology like Chariots and bronze working. It ended up being the eastern branches of IE who did the inventing. Indians and other South Asians are descended from these people
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>>12674432
Sintashta came from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya.
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>>12674428
>>12674410
>minimal genetic impact
>Haak et al. (2015) conducted a genome-wide study of 69 ancient skeletons from Europe and Russia. They concluded that Yamnaya autosomal characteristics are very close to the Corded Ware culture people, with an estimated 73% ancestral contribution from the Yamnaya DNA in the DNA of Corded Ware skeletons from Germany. The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans; this contribution is found to a lesser extent in Sardinians (2.4–7.1 %) and Sicilians (5.9–11.6 %).

>>12674421
>How do you explain that the dominant haplogroup in scandinavia is I1 then?
It is the most dominant but not by a lot. R1a is very close behind. I'm not really sure how I1 survived the onslaught while most other Europeans did not.
>The alternate hypothesis is that I1 spread together with R1a-Z284 from Denmark to Sweden and Norway during the Chalcolithic and Early Bronze Age with the Battle-Axe culture. So far the earliest evidence of I1 in Scandinavia dates from the Nordic Bronze Age, with a single sample from Sweden dating from circa 1400 BCE by Allentoft et al. (2015)
This is one idea
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>>12674438
You really need to do some research bud
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>>12674428
If youre gonna compare the yamnaya to the Huns in regard to the of invasion into Europe, then I have news for you: the Huns invaded Europe.
> genetic contribution
Even if I grant you that the Huns and the Yamnaya didnt contribute much to the European gene pool, you wont convince me that Hunnic men didnt rape Roman and German women
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>>12674474
No, you need. It seems like you just cite the outdated shit from Wikipedia.

>>12674488
>you wont convince me that Hunnic men didnt rape Roman and German women
Sure, but their impact was minimal.

These guys are most likely descendants of Huns, Avars, whatever.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M335/
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>>12674474
Bro, you're waaaaaay out of date. Lemme drop some knowledge on you
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi6941
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so "real" europeans dont exist anymore because the oppresive whyte indo man? wtf.
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>>12673908
>euro-arab
EEF were not Arabs
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Why is this board so obsessed with EEF vs Indo-Europeans? We have this same discussion every week.
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>>12673869
>that northern/southern France divide
Nrothern french are aryan, southern french are sandniggers
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The funnies thing is, what paternaly Europe is 90% indo-european
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>>12673999
His small and narrow eyes remind me of Nepalese.
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>>12675994
>every week
At least every day, often multiple times a day
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>>12675994
I think its because, at some point someone developed a porn addiction (bleached is just a subversion of the blacked shit) and started projecting that on their other interests. And the autistic barrage just escalated from there. I don't think they actually care about the truth, they just want to jack off to the idea that they belong to some group with more power over others. Its mentally ill sociopathic behavior influenced by jews.
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>>12673869
>some insecure fag took STJ's Yamna skull reconstruction and painted the eyebrows blonde and the eyes blue
OH NO NO NO
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>>12673967
Lmao genetic samples disprove your stupid claims , indo europeans were half CHG swarthoids
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>>12676366
Lactose tolerance comes from Bell Beakers
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>>12673967
>T.
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>>12676369
>Corded Ware
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>>12676376
They are literally the same skin color though
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>>12673869
Does anyone know if 23andme or ancestry will let you generate how much Yamnaya you have? Or do I have to use GEDMatch?
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>>12676369
The term is lactase persistence.
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The Steppe hypothesis is bullshit.
The Proto-Indo-European urheimat is undoubtedly Anatolia.
Any Gimbutasian who disagrees with me is a feminist.
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>>12676366
>indo europeans were half CHG swarthoids
More like 20%
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>>12676464
Retard
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>>12676366
Yamnaya weren't relevant to most of European genetics. We Corded Ware now nogger. Imagine spending all that time compiling a sweaty swarthoid meme only to have it be a waste lmao.
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>>12676273
How is that funny?
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>>12676626
Hear me out, anon.
The two leading theories are Anatolian and Steppe.
The genetic and linguistic studies support the Steppe Hypothesis. The archaeological record supports Anatolia.

PIEs originated in East Anatolia, close to the caucuses. They then branched into one group which became Hittites and another which travelled up the Caucus Mountain region to the Steppes. That group then entered Europe.
Therefore, it's more accurately Proto-Indo-Euro-Hittite.

This bridges both theories.
This is the only way to explain the extreme oddness of the Hittite language.
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>>12676788
Not him but it tells a story. It would appear that farmer men were mercilessly eliminated from the gene pool and the farmer women used as breeding stock.
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It's interesting that the two countries in Europe who have the least amount of Yamnaya DNA contributed the most to European civilisation; Italy and Greece.
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>>12673869
Imagine a mobile army that has no actual settled HQ that you can plan to siege, fighting against the horseniggers is a nightmare in a war as they can just fuck off then come back later.
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>>12676682
Your image is horseshit LOL

>>12676401
Not really. Unless you think browns and whites are the same color? Wow moving the goal posts already?

>>12676423
GEDMatch is better but even then there's nothing that actually shows Yamnaya ancestry.
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>>12676976
They didn't contribute the most, they just started all of it.
Surely, in the last 400 years, Britain, Germany, and France have been the most important contributors.
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>>12676985
>GEDMatch is better but even then there's nothing that actually shows Yamnaya ancestry.
Have you used it? What do they show you that 23andme doesn't?
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>>12676978
Shoot the horses.

>>12676997
Standing on the shoulders of giants mate. Britain only began to kick on from the 18th century and France has always been more heavily influenced by the Latin world than the Germanic.
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>>12677018
Actually yes there is a way to check Yamnaya ancestry but it's labeled as "ANE" or ancestral north Eurasian.
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>>12677032
I agree. Everything we have is thanks to the good - and bad decisions - of those that came before us. We owe much to Italy and Greece.

At the same time, though, Italy hasn't been relevant since the Renaissance.
And, of course, America is the head honcho now. But it looks like that won't be true at the end of the century.
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>>12677032
>shoot
The farmers OP is talking about Mesopotamians that didnt even had iron weaponry.
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>>12677048
Those are interesting genetics, anon.
From below the Mason-Dixon?

Anyway, I guess I should consider trying GEDMatch.
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>>12677051
I don't know why people have a hard time understanding this. The current state of affairs is more temporary than ever in history. Those who have power right now are going to lose it within decades, if not years. This is in contrast to China, India, Romans, and middle eastern powers having control for thousands of years and contributing immense amounts of tech and science to humanity. You can make the shitty argument that a larger number of inventions were created in the last few centuries of European domination, but that doesn't really matter without the important prior discoveries enabled by Easterners. And now, we are already seeing a massive tide away from Europe
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>>12677099
>From below the Mason-Dixon?
Far from it. I'm around the Great Lakes.
Can you guess my race?

>Anyway, I guess I should consider trying GEDMatch.
It's a pretty decent tool. You should probably do 23 and me first, so that you can download your raw genetic data, and then start using GEDmatch
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>>12677051
Yeah I was just making an observation. I think a lot of occurrences in history are down to sheer chance.

>>12677063
Sharpen a stick nigga. Ram them fuckin horses with a spear nigga.
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>>12677106
I don't think the concept of civilisations or nations is going to last past the 21st century. I think a one world government and forms of AI connected transhumanism are almost inevitable.
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>>12677118
What is ASE?
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>>12677118
>East African
Black, you're black.
Although, now that you're asking it like that, I'm gonna say you're a Cherokee Princess. :^)

I did 23andme. I'm just a bit apprehensive about uploading that data elsewhere.
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>>12677141
Ancestral South Eurasian.
https://www.dataminingdna.com/gedmatch-admixture-abbreviations/
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>Semitic Tribes
Talking about cope...
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>>12677147
Interesting. I'm guessing you're mixed-race? And I don't mean German-Dutch
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>>12674222
Too effeminate
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>>12677199
Sorry, I wasn't the guy who posted his results.
I had the same question and googled it and (You)'d you what everything meant.
You wanna (You) the other guy.
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>>12677118

>>12677199
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>>12673978
Pashtuns and Punjabis are very far away from CWC Men.
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>>12674016
>>12674011
>>12674009
>>12673999
>>12673978
>>12673924
Corded Ware were PIE.
NOT YAMNAYA
Yamnaya Y DNA is not only rare among all IE speakers, it was also replaced in its homeland by CWC BEFORE Indo Europeans expanded into broader Europe and Asia.
CWC IS PIE
stop this weird Eupedia nonsense, the Yamnaya = PIE is on par with the Uralics originated in Denmark theory.
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>>12674037
Germans are more steppe than any non-European group.
>further East
well actually no, the Indo Europeans who settled in Germany were Bell Beakers who originated largely in Holland and the Rhineland with Unetice farmers being replaced by a Westward migration.
>Asia
Ruthenia is not Asia.
The first people to say the word "Koryos" lived in Northern Germany and Poland.
All R1a in Asia is downstream of these proto-Germans and proto-Poles.
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>>12674162
actually 52%.
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>>12674420
>>12674407
There was I2 in the Balkans prior to the Slavs, but the I2 in the Balkans today is Slavic in origin, coming from Galicia Volhynia.
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>>12676951
except farmer women werent, their maternal lines are about as common as steppe lines in Northern Europe.
And In Scandianvia in particular, 60% of men are pre indo european.
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>>12676366
>genetic samples
>places with the most Indo European maternal DNA have the most blondes and redheads
L O L
you're dead, brownman.
Its over, you cant come back from this.
Your own post btfo you.
>Half CHG
CHGs were blue eyed and light skinned relative to their contemporaries.
50% of CHG finds had the HERC2 allele for blue eyes.
CHG DNA today is also correlated with the blondest populations in the Caucasus, and the best looking, while the most MENA looking "Caucasians" are 15-25% CHG South Caucasians.
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>>12676985
>browns and Whites
>both have light skin
>both have colored eyes
>both have lighter than black hair (in the stone age kek)
on what planet is this man 'brown'?
also, the most recent data on GAC and CWC show they were almost identical in hair, eye, and skin color.
But you dont want to stay up to date because the only way you can keep from kysing is living in fantasy land.
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>>12675994
Mentally ill schizos can mix their bad science, pagan fantasy, supremacist memes and form idiosyncratic personal theories.

Then they can make all kind of shit up in their heads because we have 0 written records of the period and only 26th hand interpretation by archeologists of whole cultures based on tombs and syncretism of pagan religion mostly described by 5th century monks.
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>>12673869
Bell Beakers were swarthy as fuck, the blonde IE type were late Corded Ware culture derived societies who ended replacing Swarthy Indoeuropeans (Bell Beakers, Catacomb culture {yamna successors}, etc) in long term.
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>>12675994
It's a millenarian event that resulted in population replacement and a massive cultural shift.
What's not to be obsessed about?
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>ctrl-f manlets
>0 results
that simple
EEF were archetypal bug people whose only "strength" was in numbers, in the west they were getting raped even by WHGs already even before Kurgans decided to expand and finish the job
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>>12677661
looks like a PIE without white eef admixture
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>>12677847
grainlets, when will they ever learn
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>>12677650
> the most recent data on GAC and CWC show they were almost identical in hair, eye, and skin color.
the most recent data shows that GAC were lighter
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>>12677847
>>12677860
vegans should be gassed
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>>12677825
>brown hair, light skin, blue eyes
>swarthy as fuck
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>>12677883
mostly brown eyes and black hairs
they were swarthy as fuck
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>>12677869
lighter than the meme claiming they were 100% Finnish tier White?
what did they have White hair and no pupils now?
GAC were dark, and other farmers such as those in Scandinavia and the British isles literally had SSA tier skin genes.
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>>12677892
>black hairs
ESL monkey, they were White as fuck and in your shithole of a nation your women flock to them in order to get a piece of that Nordic meat.
>brown eyes
you have black eyes mario, Whites have bronze eyes, your eyes are black, like poopoo
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>>12677825
bell beakers looked like shitskins
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>>12677831
The narrative spewed around here seems more like a self indulgent gay fantasy than an actual historical event
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>>12677869
to further dab on you, GAC were the only farmers with steppe admixture.
Farmers with no R1b, R1a, or steppe admixture were extremely dark, they fetishized the black BVLL WHGs.
It was only GAC who was admixed with Nordic EHGs that had even a semblance of humanoid features.
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>>12677898
not what the data shows
they were whiter than the cwc
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>>12677905
This is actually true. There is a huge difference between European dark eyes and brownoid dark eyes. European ones look like those of a wolf, with depth. Brownoid ones look souless and dead.
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>>12677905
sorry but they were mostly black hairs and brown eyes(black eyes don't exist)
they definitely looked like brown people
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>>12673869
Sardinians are cute and must be defended from the evils of humanity
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>>12677917
EEF were white
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>>12677912
>the more EEF admixture a steppe population has the darker they are
also can you show me a shitskin population that is 1/4 blue eyed?
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>>12675994
I think It is just German vs Roman rivalry brought to another level and even more wrong since

-PIE & B.Beakers were tanned folk with dark hair and olive complexion

-Latins are by default an Indoeuropean culture, there are more persons with R1b yDNA in North Italy, West France and Spain and Ireland than in any other place of Europe

-In current Europe only Romans, Greeks and very specially Iberians manage to be at the level of Indo-Europeans by physical aspect and conquest achivements


During 19th century the LARP used to be by using viking raids n shiet but since british folk stopped giving a shit about vikings due to lack of Viking ancestry, the larp focused on Yamnaya culture ppl.
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>>12677934
>also can you show me a shitskin population that is 1/4 blue eyed?
italians and spaniards?

sorry bro, but they are undeniably shitskins
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>>12677825
wow, they were literally brown people
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CT and PIE existed right next to each other for centuries and engaged in trade / cultural exchange

>>12673908
>burned down houses
now I know you're disingenuous

that was a cultural practice, they burned their own houses down regularly and rebuilt new ones
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>>12677933
ah yes the White people of Anatolia, Greece, and Sicily.
>>12677928
No, actually they were mostly brown haired, you cant even count, I am not surprised considering you cant even speak English.
>black eyes dont exist
They do actually, eye color is the result of varying degrees of melanin in the eye. Indo Europeans did not have black eyes (officially dark brown) common in Africans and Asians.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Brown
>looked like brown people
I dont consider people living in Macedonia brown, but Beakers were lighter than Macedonians.
You are trying to call the immediate ancestors of Europeans brown because you are insecure about being an actual brown monkey.
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>>12677934
Steppe were by default dark, they got bleached after contact with Baltic Farmers, who were phenotipically Nordic looking peoples.
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i honestly don't believe and don't care about anything that happened before the iron age

the PIE vs EEF will always be an anglo cuckold fantasy like many other anglo cuckold fantasies
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>>12677939
>80% EEF = brown
damn I never thought of it that way.
also
No, Bell Beakers were lighter than Spanish and Italic averages.
>>12677949
why do you keep replying to the same post?
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>>12676929
you're retarded, the obvious synthesis between the two is the black sea

it used to be a lake and there were huge fertile tracts of land that submerged in the neolithic, so fertile the area has a methane problem now
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>>12677959
>No, actually they were mostly brown haired, you cant even count, I am not surprised considering you cant even speak English.
they were mostly black haired, or ark brown haired(basically black hairs)

black eyes don't exist, that calculator can't output black eyes, only brown hairs exist
i'm sorry but if you have brown hairs you are not white

>I dont consider people living in Macedonia brown, but Beakers were lighter than Macedonians.
beakers were swarthier than greeks

and why did you post a picture of a bell beakers man?
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>>12677976
according to studies eef admixture in northern europe is correlated with lighter features

you are underestimating selection
sardinians must have selected against light features, while northern farmers didn't

jews are also pretty white looking despite being basically maltese genetically with no northern european admixture, because they selected for light features
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>>12678021
this

selection is the key
blonde hairs and blue eyes are nothing special

>>12677825
the average bell beaker probably looked like mr bean or oralndo bloom
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>>12677997
subhuman
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>>12673960
Too white, too small noses
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>>12677959
this sicilian guy looks pretty similar to your male bell beaker ancestors
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>>12678031
>the average bell beaker probably looked like mr bean or oralndo bloom

They were Atlanto-Mediterraneans, a phenotype very common in West Europe, specifically among Basques and other non-raped by germanics-vikings/greeks populations from West Europe.
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they just can't stop seething, why do IE related discussion makes them so buttfrustrated?
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>>12677963
>dark
>all of them are light
what did monkey man meme by this?
>Baltic farmers
There were no Baltic farmers, Narva culture were a confluence of WHG (70%) and EHG (30%).
even the more settled BPC were still primarily hunters and fishers.
The R1b clade in Narva is ancestral to all subsequent steppe cultures.
Fair features, including 2/3 skin lightening alleles, came from EHG (light skin and light hair) and WHG (light eyes and some rare skin alleles).
EEF were deadweight, looked brown, all Meds are 80% EEF, and their only contribution was a light skin allele that is common today in the Med and British isles, and Scandinavians without the EEF skin color allele are still lighter than Medlets.
also I guess they brought farming which nerfed humanity but also accelerated selection for superior yet latent fairness.
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>>12678067
average PIE fan
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>>12677963
>only one guy has medium brown hairs, everyone has black or dark brown hairs like an arab
LOL
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>>12678069
>also I guess they brought farming
the chinese were the first to adopt farming, caucasoids simply copied the chinese
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>>12678077
>Yamnaya aslo had australo-mongoloid traits
nah it's your average anti IE seether, who is also a cuck enthusiast, the meme writes itself
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>>12677825
it's a shame that these bell beakers selected for EEF traits
thankfully there are still bell beakers in the british isles that resemble the original population
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>>12678090
>arab
>brown hair
that's a small minority
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>>12678113
i think this entire eef vs pie argument is pretty much cuckoldry
it wouldn't have been if northern europeans were 70%+ PIE but that's not the case, hence northern europeans are rapespawn
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>>12678147
>t.
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>>12678143
light-medium brown hairs, there's almost no difference between black and dark brown hairs, they are shitskin hair colors
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>>12678155
oh yeah sure, in alternative reality land that happens often, do yourself a favor, go back to twitter to browse cuck shit
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>>12678151
yes, ashkenazis are not rapespawn, you have a good balance of autosomal and haplogroups

while northern europeans are a bit like the mexicans of the old world
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how do these threads qualify being on /his/? janny never does his job right.
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>>12677997
>mostly black haired
they are not even 50% black haired, they are a majority brown haired.
>but its sometimes dark brown
we can see where this is going, we can see what you're doing.
lay off the cope
>black eyes dont exist
Yes they do, they are considered dark brown, brown eyes come in two colors, European brown which is more like bronze, and non-White brown which is almost impossible to see the difference between the pupil and iris.
>that calculator
You do know that calculator is not even totally accurate on modern samples of living people right? But we can look at their genes, they had no genes for hyper melanin content of the eyes. This alone makes them Whiter than 50% of all Medlets.
>if you have brown hairs you arent White
I assume you mean brown eyes but had a typical shitskin moment.
no, you can have brown eyes and be White.
Its always coping shitskins who want to make everyone who isn't Dolph Lundgren out to be one of them.
a black half WHG half EEF with brown eyes and black hair, and black african skin, is closer to a pale White, White gold haired, purple eyed Finnish man, than either of them are to a MENAmonke.
>Sicilians are Bell Beakers
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
>>12678021
no it isnt, farming is correlated with selection for lighter features.
also
>EEF admixture in Northern Europe
lel
There is more EEF in England than in Sweden, yet Swedes are lighter in hair and eye color.
EEF in Northern Europe is correlated with being swarthier, shorter, and it seems uglier.
The lightest people in the Isles, the Irish, are also the least EEF and the most like ancient PIE.
>northern farmers didnt
Northern Farmers werent light to begin with, they had to select for PIE traits such as blondeness and WHG traits such as blue eyes. You keep forgetting that GAC, the steppe admixed farmers are the only farmers who arent DARK BLACK.
No one in Scandinavia's Neolithic was light, no one in France's Neolithic was light, no one in Britains Neolithic was light.
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>>12678172
>yes, ashkenazis are not rapespawn,
kek'd hard thx pham
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>>12678161
i don't see why would i do that
i don't care about the PIEs or the EEFs and the various cuck fantasies that anglos have about them
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>>12678184
too long
didn't read
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>>12678186
>t.
>>12678067
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>>12678021
>jews are White
only Ashkenazi jews who are a mix of Russians (White) and MENA.
>>12678031
>there is nothing special about light features
here comes the inferiority complex.
blonde hairs and blue eye are vastly superior to your brown monkey hairs and black monkey eyes.
>average Bell Beaker
the average Bell Beaker had less EEF than Orlando or Rowan Atkinson.
So likely MUCH lighter than either of them, the Average Bell Beaker was more like a blonde Lowland Scot than a swarthy EEF admixed Manx.
>>12678054
except that he has brown skin, darker eyes, and likely black hair.
also hes a manlet and a headlet like most meds are.
>>12678061
>they were EEF people.
Why does EEF DNA correlate with being swarthy in every location?
>GAC
only EEF who were admixed with steppe.
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>>12678132
wow, look how not White these blue eyed, light skinned, light haired men are.
You know in MENA, Asia, and Latam countries, brown hair does not exist, it is considered blonde if its not black.
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>>12678197
no, its because you dont want to relive the murdering of your ancestral would be father by our shared ancestral father.
>>12678172
>while northern europeans are a bit like the mexicans of the old world
HHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAA
IMAGINE THE MONKEY PAWS THAT WROTE THIS
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>>12678147
>you have to be 70% like one parent or else its rape
>inbred shitskin moment
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>>12678021
>according to studies eef admixture in northern europe is correlated with lighter features
this
light features are correlated to eef admixture
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>>12678215
>only Ashkenazi jews who are a mix of Russians (White) and MENA.
ashkenazi jews have no russian admixture, they are a mix of southern european and mena
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>>12678096
The first example of farming is done by White Europeans referred to as Neolithic farmers, who are the most like Modern Day Swedes in their looks, they invented farming over a thousand years before the Chinese even repeat gathered rice.
Sorry brown man, but White Swedish looking people invented farming and civilization L O L
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>>12678184
>EEF in Northern Europe is correlated with being swarthier, shorter, and it seems uglier.

Most of scandinavian male models are swarthy, the mongol looking ones are blatantly put aside
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>>12678215
>blonde hairs and blue eye are vastly superior to your brown monkey hairs and black monkey eyes.
black eyes don't exist
dark brown/black hairs and brown eyes are more or less what the PIE had
they were indeed monkeys
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>>12678265
the first examples of farming were in east asia
caucasoids couldn't (and still can't) perform complex tasks

the chinese were the first to adopt farming and animal husbandry and the first to adopt civilization

remainder that the last 200 years were a fluke in the history of mankind
in 25 years the power will go back to the chinese, as it always was
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>>12678260
no they arent, they cluster near South Europe because they are a mix of two further extremes outside of South Europe, they are not historically a South European population, likewise, a hapa child of an Anglo man and Maori mother is going to cluster with Central Asians, despite not being central asian at all.
jews have a ton of R1a from Russians.
>>12678253
>posts a chart showing light features are more correlated with EHG and WHG than with farmers
why sink yourself?
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>>12678298
das rite das rite, we finna take them chinse women and impregnate dem with good looking White cum and they gonna give birth to superhumans with White skin blue eyes blonde hair and chinese high IQ and skilled labor.
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>>12678215
>Why does EEF DNA correlate with being swarthy in every location?

It doesn't in fact it's correlate with light skin genes, also, learn about fucking enviroment adaptation you fucking clown
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>>12678249
apple and oranges comparison
europeans are the mexicans of the old world

you have 100% haplogroups from one people (pie) but the admixture from this people tops at less than 50% with most having much less than that
you are rapespawn, not different from mexicans
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>>12678305
>no they arent, they cluster near South Europe because they are a mix of two further extremes outside of South Europe, they are not historically a South European population, likewise, a hapa child of an Anglo man and Maori mother is going to cluster with Central Asians, despite not being central asian at all.
jews have a ton of R1a from Russians.
no they are simply southern europeans+mena, they are too different from a south italian except they don't have that additional germanic admixture that south italians got at the end of the romans empire

ashkenazi jews resemble imperial romans
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>>12678305
>why sink yourself?
because the chart doesn't show that, it shows light features correlated with farmers

and dark features with PIE
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>>12678266
define "swarthy" its funny to me the lightest skinned people such as dark haired dark eyed anglos are used as evidence of being 'swarthy beakers'.
>>12678275
>black eyes dont exist
I have already proven you wrong, please refer to my previous post linking to the eye color page
>more or less
except they had more brown hair than black hair by far, and had lighter eyes than South Europeans, not to mention lighter skin than many central European groups (where GAC lived LMAO)
>they were monkeys
They were GorillaBVLLs, you are a weak monkey race.
They were Whiter than you lol
You wont even tell us your national origin, let alone your ethnic origin because you know we'd make fun of you for looking like you belong in a rainforest chomping a red fruit.
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>>12678338
*they are NOT too different from a south italian except they don't have that additional germanic admixture that south italians got at the end of the romans empire
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>>12678318
EEF correlates with black raven hair. No link to "white skin"
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>>12678353
black eyes don't exist
they were swarthy

>bull cuck bull cuck
you are a literal cuckold like 99% of northern european "males"
even simply talking about these things make you a cuckold
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>>12678318
>its correlated with light skin genes
black skin the British isles disappeared in under 1,000 years of Bell Beakers arriving and displacing the EEF.
The EEF in Britian had black skin for over 2,000 years.
They had no blonde hair, and only some had blue eyes despite higher than average WHG admixture.
your concept of adaptation as the primary driver is thoroughly refuted.
Modern British are MUCH closer to Bell Beakers in coloration than they are to British EEF.
So instead you continuously refer to GAC, a group which never set foot in Britain.
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>>12678317
and the anglo starts talking about cum of course ahahah

you clearly want some all over your face
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>>12678318
correct

the autist amerimutt will deny it of course, but this is the simple truth
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>>12678375
>British EEF had black skin
? all genetiker results have them with intermediate skin to fair skin
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>>12678320
>100% PIE Y DNA
>Scandinavia is 40% PIE Y DNA
what did Panchito mean by this?
>less than 50%
over 50% actually, and well over 50% non-farmer.
Farmer is 25-45% in Northern Europe.
Latwinks have more Gravettian than many Northern Europeans have farmer lol
>>12678338
You are extremely deluded and the fact you discount Jewish Y DNA in favor of looking at a PCA with no context and assuming the jews come from a non-existent island between Italy and Syria makes me think you are an absolute retard or a liar.
>resemble imperial romans
not a single Imperial Roman resembles any jew.
are you referring to the Nafri found in Imperial Rome?
no, he is not jewish, he is closer to jews than to italians, but he is not like the ashkenazim.
>>12678343
It actually shows light features are more correlated with WHGs and then with EHGs, not with farmers.
>dark features with PIE
it shows farmers are turbomutts ranging from as light as their WHG and PIE neighbors to being darker than both.
also thats from a study done on Estonians who are 80% PIE/WHG.
>>12678365
>black eyes dont exist
I already showed you evidence they do, now you must prove your claim that they dont exist.
prove that brown eyes are all the same color with no detectable variation.

>cuck
oh yeah? watch me cow you into submission like animal

"Where are you from?"
HAHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA
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>>12678377
>haha you are gay for impregnating my wife
haha now give me your sister so I can have """"""""gay""""""" sex with her haha
>>12678420
The Man interred at New Grange and multiple Men interred near Stone Henge both were predicted as having dark to black skin.
dark skin vanished with the coming of Bell Beakers, this is an incontrovertible fact, its why you ignore actual EEF and instead focus on the only EEF who had steppe admixture.
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>>12678420
farmers were generally lighter than indo eruopeans,
some were even lighter than some later indo european
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>>12678474
you are an homo like most anglos
you aren't going to do anything, you just want to talk about cum
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>>12678474
that has only 1 man the rest of british EEF were probably as light as modern sardinians
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>>12678426
mentally ill autist
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>>12678426
do you expect people to actually seriously read your wall of bs?
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Its also really funny to me that EEF, 20% of the Baltic genome is what gives them their entire phenotype.
Yet when someone says ANE, 20% of the European genome, is what gives them their entire phenotype, its a scientific impossibility.
So what is it?
Is it possible ANE is the origin of the Nordic phenotype? or is it an impossibility EEF contributed the Nordic phenotype to Europe?
Not even the brown fantasies are internally consistent.
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>>12678489
>completely cedes all intellectual grounds
thanks, but you dont have to go into a projection of your fantasies.
>>12678490
>one man
multiple men, and with dark to black skin.
>>12678504
no, I expect people to read my reply to their post, not my entire post, I know reading is taxing to the peanut headed brown.
>>12678493
wrong gypsies
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talking about PIE and EEF is the most incel thing on this board

the average european in 40 years will be 10% PIE and 5% EEF
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>>12678537
The average White in 40 years will be 100% Neanderthal 100% R1b 100% R MtDNA
I will be the Jeffery Epstein of gene editing.
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>>12678528
>multiple men, and with dark to black skin.
where? you say these claims and never have any evidence to back them up
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>>12678426
>it shows farmers are turbomutts ranging from as light as their WHG and PIE neighbors to being darker than both.
it doesn't show that at all
it shows farmers being correlated with light features, the study says it too

>>12678481
indo european were truly swarthoids
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>>12678509
ANE had genes for blonde hair so yeah
Its funny how EEF is the most swarthy in europe but apparently to the logic of shitskins, farmers were the lightest
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>>12678375
>black skin the British isles disappeared in under 1,000 years of Bell Beakers arriving and displacing the EEF.

More like it dissapeared after ENFs reached the shores and mixed with Dark WHG, the pygmentation in Britain barely changed until Celtic and Germanic/Viking invasions, that bleached the shit of locals.
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>>12678426
>not a single Imperial Roman resembles any jew.
all imperial romans resemble jews

ashkenazi jews have no russian admixture
they are identical to someone from malta
it also explains why all ashkenazis and shepardis and italian jews are so similar to each other, because they come from the same founder population that didn't mix with northern european locals
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>>12678586
>all imperial romans resemble jews
Because ashkenazi jews are greeks converted into judaism you stupid, they look more like ppl you would find in Athens or Naples than people you find in Palestine or Syria.
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eef looked like modern white people
pie looked like shitskins

imagine how light europe would have been without shitskin pie migrations
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>>12678607
that's what i'm saying
they don't have any "russian" admixture
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>>12678615
>eef looked like modern white people
>pie looked like shitskins

Both had a similar complexion you idiot
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>>12678554
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/05/09/135962.DC1/135962-1.pdf
pure Northern farmers were darkies who worshipped being dark.
>>12678561
It shows WHG as being far more correlated with light features and to a much higher degree, you cant even discern the range vs the more absolute frequencies, among a group of people who arent even a fourth farmer lol.
>truly swarthoids
>lighter than all of their contemporaries
>origin of blonde hair
>had more light skin alleles than even GAC farmers
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>>12678582
ENFs did not extinguish dark to black skin like Beakers did.
>>12678586
>closest are non-jews
based literal monkey
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So in conclusion, anything south of the pyrinees and the alps is niggers?
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PIE are the losers of the world
they never achieved anything

romans and greeks were mostly eef
even today the upper class of the west is ashkenazis, that are mostly eef

ancient egyptians, sumerians, mesopotamians, chinese, indians, iranians, had little to no PIE admixture

they dominated the world for 250 years after being slaves for thousands of years, and they think they are gods among men despite their civilization is already falling apart
a bunch of losers that will probably not even exist in 50 years
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>>12678681
>based literal monkey
jews are extremely close, i never said the closest i said very similar
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>>12678666
It's 105 pages long and doesn't even discuss pigmentation
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>>12678666
>It shows WHG as being far more correlated with light features and to a much higher degree, you cant even discern the range vs the more absolute frequencies, among a group of people who arent even a fourth farmer lol.
dude, the study itself, as well as the chart shows that light features are correlated with eef admixture

even fucking STJ said it, you probably suck his cock everyday so go look for his post
just how much in denial are you?
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>>12678688
>romans and greeks were mostly eef
They were Indoeuropeans you MENA piece of shit, higher amounts of R1b are among Iberians and North Italians
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>>12678733
they were autosomally less indo european and more anatolian farmer than modern spanairds and italians
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>>12673869
Why isn't Irish DNA listed in the "Modern" section here? I see Scottish and English, is Irish just the mixture of these? brainlet btw so if the answer's obvious sorry
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>>12678688
>PIE are the losers of the world
complete winners of history, in terms of languages and paternal descent
>romans and greeks
Indo-Europeans, the fact that IE took so many women from EEF manlet losers that by the time their bio-culture arrived in Italy and Greece they were mostly EEF doesn't make them any less so
>ancient egyptians, sumerians, mesopotamians, chinese, indians, iranians, had little to no PIE admixture
completely mogged by a spacefaring race that surpassed them in anything imaginable

no matter how hard you seethe on /his/ against your betters every day, no matter if they go down or not, tomorrow you will still wake up, looking the mirror and see a manlet with fecal matter colored skin, eyes and hair who can't even use the loo
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>>12678757
>they were autosomally less indo european and more anatolian farmer
mtDNA is irrelevant, they were/are quintessential indoeuropean culture to the point of showing higher rates of R1b and being the most sexually aggresive european imperialists in a same way their forebears did were.
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Daily reminder, 80% of modern europeans have paternal indo-european lineage.
mtDNA is irrelevant.
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>>12678787
not him but you really should take your meds.
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>>12678798
i never mentioned mtDNA
they were autosomally less indo european and more farmer than most modern south italians
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>>12678826
not him but you should really throw yourself off a cliff and do a flip to see if turds can fly
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>>12678836
LOL you really want me to believe you're not the same faggot?

i can tell by the schizo way of elaborating insults. i'm really sorry pal. yeah you're the only white, all of us are niggers. sure.
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>>12678847
not him but I can smell your butthurt all the way from here, go to the bathroom and change your pants
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>>12678787
>Indo-Europeans, the fact that IE took so many women from EEF manlet losers that by the time their bio-culture arrived in Italy and Greece they were mostly EEF doesn't make them any less so
so modern south italians, portoguese and central asians are pure INDOEVROPEANS too with this logic cause they have a bit of PIE admixture
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>>12678828
the I N D O E U R O P E A N S of apulia
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>>12678855
never said anything about "pure", but the fact remains that all of those biocultures were spawned by the very same IE expansion wave together with its ancestry
EEF ancestry is the unconsequential lowest common denominator of west Eurasia
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>>12678787
no he's right PIE are the losers of history
you were successful only in the last 200 years or something and it really got to your head

anglogermanic civilization(the only real proper PIE civilization) is already in its final stages, without even taking into account that for most of this time it was under the control of eef rich low steppe ashki jews
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>>12678828
>they were autosomally less indo european
Who gives a fucking shit? kalash and scandinavians have more autosomal yamnaya dna and yet they aren't descendents of Indoeuropean men, only yDNA matters
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>>12678883
they were less indo european than a brown apulian
sorry but they were definitely not indo european civilizations
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>>12678898
no he's wrong PIE are by a large margin the most successfull group in history, the spread of their paternal lineages and language speaks for itself
you are just spiteful mutants who naturally shiver when thinking about healthy winners because you look yourselves in the mirror too much, so you gotta simp for defeated losers, it's your nature, you can't help it, distilled slavish resentiment in all its monstruosity
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>>12678851
why are you so invested in this? is being pale the only thing you have in life?

That's sad bro. go out, get some pussy.
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>>12678917
kalash don't, that's meme
swedes have the same amount that anglos have, but they have less farmer than anglos

>only yDNA matters
i would say only auDNA matters, and with bringing up the swedes you kinda prove my point
everyone consider swedes to be pure white indo europeans, brothers of the anglos and the germans
why is that, cause auDNA is the only thing that matters
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>>12678919
nope you are just too brown to even model properly, not your fault, you are fit only to serve people whiter than you and be used as target practice
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>>12678928
the irony is strong with this turd colored freakshow, maybe try not to project your spite and impotent revengfulness in every thread dealing with Indo-Europeans and you won't get reminded of your unfortunate appearance every single time, I know it must hurt, try getting rid of mirrors, your kind isn't complex to understand, the world is full of it
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>>12678922
you have no real retort, only insults

when did the only real descendants of PIEs, the northern europeans, became successful?
only in the last 200, maybe 300 years
and as you probably say yourself on twitter everyday the great anglogermanic PIE civilization is already on its deathbed and ashkenazi jews controlled it for centuries

what does that say about the PIE?
to me it says that they are subhuman garbage
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>>12678973
you have no real retort, it's just resentment talking

>the only real descendants of PIEs
complete and utter nonsense
>the last 200
Franks founded western civilization around 800AD

still doesn't change the fact that it's as simple as you right now speaking the language of the healthy, victorious peoples that your genetically ill bred self resents naturally as a defense mechanism, nothing out of the ordinary
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Horses gave them a huge advantage in maneuvering their armies and in battle. Although they lacked large breeds of horses and the spoked wheel chariot at that point it still provided a huge advantage. I expect each warrior had several horses, swapping them every so often to prevent them getting exhausted and keeping 1 horse fresh for combat. They could move and supply troops from a wider area and concentrate them at one point to achieve local numerical superiority and on the battlefield they could outflank the enemy and chase them down, likely an enemy with no or little experience against cavalry.
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>>12678939
>i would say only auDNA matters

It doesn't matter and never mattered since until modern times these memetic % were impossible to calculate.
Only yDNA matters, thats why folk from antiquity and middle-ages used to sing and write their paternal genealogies.
if you aren't born with R1b paternal haplogroup, you aren't a descendent of Yamnaya men but from assimilated men from other cultures.

" “Sarpedon, counsellor of the Lycians, why must thou be skulking here, that art a man unskilled in battle? [635] They speak but a lie that say thou art sprung from Zeus that beareth the aegis, seeing thou art inferior far to those warriors that were sprung from Zeus in the days of men of old. Of other sort, men say, was mighty Heracles, my father, staunch in fight, the lionhearted," Iliad


23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,.........37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
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>>12673869
horses and disease
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>>12678957
>nope you are just too brown to even model properly, not your fault, you are fit only to serve people whiter than you and be used as target practice
they were less PROTO indo european overall

we are trying to find out the proto indo european admixture that they had, you are using populations with significant farmer admixture, like the corded_ware_early that inflates the proto indo european

also you are using the averages, that's not accurate, for example the velutonia and tarquinia have much more samples

hence according to your model
ancient romans were LOW STEPPE, not even reaching the amount of steppe of shitskinned umbrians
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>>12678995
>still doesn't change the fact that it's as simple as you right now speaking the language of the healthy,
i'm using the latin alphabet, that ancient brown romans used

>>12679097
romans were clearly brown
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>>12679051
>It doesn't matter and never mattered since until modern times these memetic % were impossible to calculate.
until modern times haplogroups were impossible to determine too

i think again you kinda proved my point
auDNA is what makes you look the way you are, someone that is autosomally northern european but with an exotic haplogroup will look and will be treated like an european

>>12679097
romans were truly a bunch of anatolian farmers
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>>12679097
>they were less PROTO indo european overall
nope, early CWC from Poland is far more relevant for the IE question than Yamnaya which is NOT PIE and produces worse fits than Polish CWC, not to mention doesn't even have the right paternal lineages
early Polish CWC doesn't have significant EEF admixture and in any case it was equally used for all populations involved
>also you are using the averages, that's not accurate
as expected the walking turd has it backwards, averages are much less noisy than individual fits
>he changed the Italian population
as expected, copemaxx mode engaged
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>>12679156
>nope, early CWC from Poland is far more relevant for the IE question than Yamnaya which is NOT PIE and produces worse fits than Polish CWC, not to mention doesn't even have the right paternal lineages
it has ore anatolian farmer, this is a fact, autosomally yamnaya is more PIE

>as expected the walking turd has it backwards, averages are much less noisy than individual fits
you are simply coping, average don't have an equal amount of samples, the ones with more samples are the least steppe, hence the actual total average of the individual samples has less steppe than the average of the averages

>as expected, copemaxx mode engaged
umbrians are literal brown shitskin, they were not even as indo european as umbrians
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>>12679156
>as expected the walking turd
he's as turd skinned as the low steppe ancient romans
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>>12679097
it doesn't matter what model you use, they were low steppe swarthoids
this is even more true for ancient greeks

greek and roman civilizations were farmer civilizations
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>>12679051
Only Y DNA matters for the symbolic
For being a pure race, you must have both sides
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>>12679156
how doews it feel to know the romans, builders of empires, were brown and swarthy?
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>>12679190
>it has ore anatolian farmer, this is a fact
literally less than 5% more than Yamnaya samara
> yamnaya is more PIE
utter nonsense, yamnaya also has more CHG which inflates the score for populations with recent neat east ancestry as south Italians
>umbrians are literal brown shitskin
they are not, and most importantly, they actually have double digit recent near east ancestry unlike Romans
>>12679196
nope, Romans referred themselves as white(candidi) and looked down on the servile oriental cattle from the east
doesn't change the fact that linguistically, paternally, culturally, they were descendants of PIE
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>>12678822
With this kind of thinking
You race will become absolute mutts
Women of you race are the only one you breed/impregnates
Other women, you just fuck them
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>>12679218
>and looked down on the servile oriental cattle from the east
they looked down on barbarian blondes from the north, to be more precise. maybe because you know, they were brown skinned.
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>>12679214
nope, they were standard European white, ironically the two surviving descriptions of famous Republican Romans like Sulla and Cato describe both as blue eyed, one golden haired, the other red haired
they weren't the color of poo poo, sorry, there's that projection again, your kind should be kept away from mirrors, the resentment is just unbearable, but understandable
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>>12678719
Stj never said that EEF correlate with Light features retard
He said that EEF were swarthy

Yamnaya were white european people with dark hair and they later become blonde due to sexual selection/ANE GeneS
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>>12679236
nope, they looked up to them certainly in terms of martial prowess and courage, probably knowing they stood no chance in the long term, as they didn't, and so once again the steppe rich descended upon the steppe poor and put them in their place, just as Beakers had done a couple millennia earlier
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>>12679218
>literally less than 5% more than Yamnaya samara
it still inflates the indo european and eats some of the anatolian farmer
autosomally the yamnaya were more indo european

>they are not, and most importantly, they actually have double digit recent near east ancestry unlike Romans
they are shitskins, they also have double digit less brown EEF according to your model
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>>12679251
>Stj never said that EEF correlate with Light features retard
STJ literally said that on telegram when talking about that study

he also literally said that EEF were lighter than PIE in one of his videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d48bhkOiEuA
got o 9:23

>yamnaya dna was also lined to dark hairs and eye color in modern estonians
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>>12679238
>they were standard European white
are "standard white" low steppe and high farmer?
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>>12679277
>it still inflates the indo european and eats some of the anatolian farmer
literal pulpil, since it would inflate by one digit percent at best and in any case will do it for all the populations involved, not selectively, while you ignore that yamnaya has also a different EHG/CHG ratio that fucks up estimates even more and in a far more biased way towards people with recent near east ancestry with additional non PIE related CHG
>they are shitskins
nope, they were white skinned, spoke PIE descending dialect, overwhelmingly were their male descendants, which for these cultures was everything
there's no Rome without PIE as much as there's no modern south America without Spanish language, ancestry and culture just because the lowest common denominator has maybe 50% amerindian ancestry from the local conquered women
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>>12679238
the romans were swarthoids
probably didn't look much different than a modern portoguese
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>>12679319
>literal pulpil, since it would inflate by one digit percent at best and in any case will do it for all the populations involved, not selectively, while you ignore that yamnaya has also a different EHG/CHG ratio that fucks up estimates even more and in a far more biased way towards people with recent near east ancestry with additional non PIE related CHG
it inflates the indo eruopean and eats some of the eef
this is a fact, it has ore eef

>nope, they were white skinned, spoke PIE descending dialect, overwhelmingly were their male descendants, which for these cultures was everything
they were as "white skinned" as a portoguese or a sicilian, stop using vague terms that don't mean anything
they were swarthy by modern standards

>there's no Rome without PIE
but most importantly there's no rome or greece without their massive anatolian farmer admixture
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>>12679309
Yamnaya were darker than modern day northern europeans he literally says it in the video. EEF have been proven to have been searthyucountless times. He says blue eyes are from whg and maybe light hair from ANE
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>>12679346
>they were as "white skinned" as a portoguese
fair enough
that's hardly "swarthy" by modern standards
>but most importantly there's no rome or greece without their massive anatolian farmer admixture
sure, but only one had a nearly totally passive role, and that's EEF, which make amerindians post Columbus look like a success story in comparison
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>>12679309
No light eyes come from WHG and Light hair frome ANE
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>>12679382
>that's hardly "swarthy" by modern standards
portoguese look like shitskins
that's definitely swarthy by modern standards

>sure, but only one had a nearly totally passive role, and that's EEF, which make amerindians post Columbus look like a success story in comparison
only one was the large majority of their admixture, and that's eef, people with less eef like iron age germans were literally living in caves, probably cannibalizing each other
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>>12679392
whg and ane didn't exist anymore in the bronze age
the fair features come from anatolian farmers and the dark features form PIE
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>>12679403
Portuguese might be tanned, but i wouldn't say they look like shitskins.
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>>12679446
portoguese look like shitskin
the man you posted also looks like a shitskin
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>>12679474
This is a shitskin to me, nor the other guy.
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>>12679504
than you're an amerimutt, they are both shitskins
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>>12679446
I seen a viet hapa that look less asian than him
>>12679474
No he isnt retard
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>>12679416
Holy shitskin cope
Then why Southern euros are so dark (High in EEF) and northern euro (High in PIE) light you fucking hypocritical shitskin ?
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>>12679538
are we really arguing if that swarthy shitskinned man is a shitskin or not?
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>>12679557
Not every tanned person is a shitskin, that you never go out is another thing.
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>>12679556
>Then why Southern euros are so dark (High in EEF) and northern euro (High in PIE) light you fucking hypocritical shitskin ?
cause northern euro eef selected for light features
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>>12679557
>are we really arguing if that swarthy shitskinned man is a shitskin or not?
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>>12679567
that man isn't just tanned, he looks like a literal brown person
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>>12679574
i'm not the one calling literal brown people white
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>>12679585
how about these?
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>>12679628
the average portoguese looks like a shitskin
are you really defending the whiteness of south europeans to claim that the low steppe romans and greeks were your people?

the absolute state of north european males
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>>12679640
not that guy, was just curious what was white enough for you.

many people would disagree with that though, there are many white native portuguese and spanish.
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>>12679655
northwest and northeast europeans are the only white people
this is common sense
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>>12678939
>swedes have the same amount that anglos have, but they have less farmer than anglos

No they are I1ncel farmers
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>>12679775
we are talking about AUTOSOMAL
what i said is true, you haplofaggot, in the real world autosomal matters way more, because that's how you're gonna look like
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>>12679820
>we are talking about AUTOSOMAL
No one gives a shit about autosomal DNA, only yDNA matters, Hitler may look whiter than many italians or frenchs and yet he still a fucking assimilated natufian
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>>12679820
Cope farmer mutt I1ncel
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>>12679852
no one cares about haplogroups
that's why you probably don't consider r1b mexicans and r1a pakis your INDOEVROPEAN brothers, but you consider english and scandis the same people

no one's going around with a test kit for haplogroups, only appearance matters and autosomal determines the way you look like
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Test
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>>12679912
>no one cares about haplogroups
Says the one with a farmoid haplogroup lol
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>>12673869
Neolithic was a warrior culture ?
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>>12680537
This
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>>12678697
>extremely close
>not meaningfully close
lol
Imperial Romans, of there are two whole samples, are both admixed with MENA, jews are not even the closest to these literal Med MENA mixes.
Ashkenazis also have generous proportions of R1a, while Romans and MENA do not at all, this suggests Ashkenazis are in part the result of European males taking jewish MENA females.
>>12678703
yes it does, we've been through this before where I link you a source and deny the source until I post a screenshot.
You do this in every thread, you are on extreme cope.
>https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz5344
here's another.
EEF were browner than many modern NON EUROS
>>12678719
>the one study referencing a population with non-European admixture, 25% EEF, and generous WHG more than any modern population is good for identifying who was associated with what
L O L
Even the study itself, and STJ also, and everyone who was in the thread when that study first came out, said it's a poor look into anything besides things like BMI and height which can be verified independently and tracked through looking at alleles and genetic continuity.
You are also obviously not even looking at the picture because you can clearly see farmers are ALL on a range, for every single instance they have a very wide range, while Yamnaya, Siberia, and WHG all exist either in total uniformity or their range is within a single digit.
This alone shuts down any suggestion farmers were all one thing.
and its not even a totally accurate study per its own creators.
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>>12678828
but they also had more WHG, which would make them closer to Northern Europeans in appearance.
>>12678939
how can Swedes have less farmer if they are lighter?
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>>12680594
it's incredible how you can write a wall of text without saying anything at all

jews are similar to imperial romans, jews are not slavic, they are italic+levantine mixes
the chart clearly says that eef is correlated with light features, while PIE with dark features(stj himself says this)
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>>12680612
>but they also had more WHG, which would make them closer to Northern Europeans in appearance.
they had a little more whg, the real difference is less steppe and especially more EEF

they absolutely were not closer to northern europeans in appearance, they were more shitskinned than an average iberian or north italian or north greeks, this is absolutely true
at best they looked like a shitskinned southern portoguese or central italian
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>>12679119
>brown
>EEF/WHG
>>12679151
>replying a second time to call them Anatolian
>>12679097
I like that Romans were more WHG, which makes them more like Northern Europeans, while modern italianlets are less WHG, meaning they share less DNA with modern northerners than ancient Romans did.
>ancient Romans were EEF
they were, but the amount of steppe and WHG they had makes them a lot different than modern italiambos.
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>>12679196
>ancient Romans were brown
lol, closer to Northern Europeans than Modern Apulians.
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>>12679316
standard Whites have substantial WHG, like the Romans.
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>>12680642
>I like that Romans were more WHG, which makes them more like Northern Europeans, while modern italianlets are less WHG, meaning they share less DNA with modern northerners than ancient Romans did.
it's incredible you resorted to this whg cope, both have extremely little whg
romans were shitskins in appearance, you have to cope with this

>they were, but the amount of steppe and WHG they had makes them a lot different than modern italiambos.
they had less steppe than modern italians yes
as we proved in this thread

overall an average iberian or italian is closer to a german than an ancient italic
they were undoubtedly shitskinned
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>>12678317

Russian women are also more Aryan than you will ever be.

Han Chinese working in Russia were bachelors, vagrant migrant men. The only people with women to be raped there were Manchus and Daur native to the Amur

Han Chinese working in Russia were bachelors, vagrant migrant men and married Russian women. The only people with native local families there were Manchus and Daur native to the Amur.


>Ethnic Russians first arrived in large numbers in Manchuria during the 1890s as colonists and marriages between Russian women and Han Chinese men started at the same time as the migration.[240] The descendants of the interracial marriages are concentrated in the towns and villages of the frontier areas along the Ergun River of Inner Mongolia like Shiwei and Enhe.[241][240] Interracial marriages between Chinese women and Russian men were rare, a marriage pattern that does not fit the European colonial convention of Western men marrying native women.[240] Unions between Chinese and Russians were also rare in urban areas like Harbin where there was prejudice against mixed marriages on both sides.[240]

Sources

https://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/fileadmin/Pictures/Publications/springer_books/Ben-Canaan_and_Gruener_Springer_The_Transcultural_Past_of_Northeast_China.pdf

http://travel.sina.com.cn/china/2014-07-03/2253268273.shtml
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>>12678317
>>12680665
Russian women say the same as Vietnamese women. Han Chinese men are not drunkards and do not beat them unlike (You)

https://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/fileadmin/Pictures/Publications/springer_books/Ben-Canaan_and_Gruener_Springer_The_Transcultural_Past_of_Northeast_China.pdf

>In northeastern China, the region that until the mid-twentieth century was known as Manchuria, a large population of Russians arrived as colonists or settlers between 1898 and 1917 and as e´migre´s thereafter. As late as 1930, a British anthropologist was still able to predict the emergence of a new “Eurasian type” of (Sino-Russian) Manchurian colonizer at the geographical margins of this region.2 We know now that this did not happen, but the limited extent to which this imagined possibility was realized makes it all the more important to try to map out the occurrence of interpersonal unions between Russians and Chinese, and ask what prevented their expansion.

>Let us begin with a summary of the available information. Evidence of “mixed” Russian-Chinese couples can be found almost from the beginning of Russian colonization in Manchuria in the 1890s.3 The phenomenon was most widespread in the frontier areas and involved women of the lower orders of Russian society, who in these areas were Cossacks and peasant settlers.4 Similar readiness for “nativization” with the indigenous population has been described with regard to the same social strata of the Russian population in Siberia and the Far East. As in Manchuria, it was expressed not only in “race-mixing,” but in the adoption by Russians of native dress, food and daily customs.5
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>>12679474
>>12679504
>>12679523
the level of cope from actual shitskins trying to obscure the line between White and non-White.
You are dark, you are not EEF, you are swarthy monkey mode brown, EEF were chasing after Whiteness and evolving into humans, you have perpetually devolved into monkeys.
WHG were White, their skin was an oddity.
EEF were White, you monkeys spent half the thread trying to convince us of this only to get BTFO and backpedal.
CWC were White, EHG itself was White, CHG was White, these are all White people and if any of them were around today you would cower in fear and call for a White man because some racist neanderthal just picked up a rock and is eyeing up your sister.
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>>12680654
10% is not substantial, an average iberian and north italian also have a similar amount
they were low steppe high farmer shitskins

>>12680648
less close to northern europeans than a modern north italian or andalusian, or even a modern central italian from tuscany for most samples >>12680661

on average as close as someone from central italy
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>>12680665
Han Chinese men marrying Aryan Tajik women.

https://archive.is/uOzMW

https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121081244278767616

>I used to see Han men in Tajikistan married to the local Tajik women.

https://archive.is/8jepF

https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121104703264366592

>Do something about it. Tajik men are finished. Would rather wageslave, get drunk, and whore around in Russia than take care of their families and wives.

Tajiks are more steppe and Aryan than the entire western Europe.
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https://nextshark.com/tajik-woman-marcona-chinese-migrant-husband-pictures/

https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1876805&highlight=

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/12/07/tajiki_migrant_marriage/

>IN PHOTOS: A day in the life of a Tajik woman who married a Chinese migrant worker

>A 24-year-old woman from Tajikistan who married a Sichuan migrant worker has recently become popular on Chinese social media after a photographer documented a day in her life.

>Marcona (or мapчoнa) met her husband Wang Xuequan four years ago in Tajikistan. Marcona was working in the kitchen of the construction site where Wang was assigned. As Marcona began to learn Mandarin from Chinese migrant workers, she became close with Wang due to their similar backgrounds and experiences. The couple fell in love and soon decided to tie the knot.

>After following Wang to Taiwan, Marcona and Wang eventually relocated to Shanxi province with their son.

>Wang goes to work early every day, leaving Marcona and their son in their dorm room. The stay-at-home mom looks after their child and does the household chores.

>Marcona told the photographer that she has gotten used to living in the workers’ dorm located on the construction site. She treats it like their family home.

>As a young mother, Marcona likes to whip out her phone to snap photos of her son. She documents her life on her WeChat account where she uses Chinese and Tajiki to express herself.

>When it comes to parenting, Marcona said she primarily uses Mandarin to educate her child. After all, she says, they are living in China.

>During lunch time, Marcona and her son eat at the construction site’s cafeteria. “At first, I was not accustomed to Chinese food, particularly spicy Sichuan food. People in my country eat a lot of bread, but Chinese people live on rice and noodles,” she said. “But I have adapted to it now.”

>Sometimes, the mother and son take their lunch back home to eat.

Marjona
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>>12680674
i would call EEFs and WHGs shitskins
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>>12678317
>>12680665
>>12680670
Han Chinese in Russia and Manchuria were overwhelmingly male and married Russian women.
>Atypically for the global colonial situation, where intermarriage normally meant Western men taking native wives, the main characteristic of intermarriage in Manchuria, both in the periphery and in the cities, was that Russian women married Chinese men. The opposite combina- tion, while not unknown, was much rarer.6 One reason for this was the scarcity of Chinese women in the remote areas, to which labour migration from rural north China had brought an overwhelmingly male population. Another was that many “e´migre´” Russian women in China found themselves in straitened circumstances, and some would consent to enter into an inter-ethnic relationship or marriage as a means of improving their situation.
>There may also be some truth to the oft-repeated piece of folk wisdom, according to which Russian women found Chinese men attractive by virtue of their being (in contradistinction to many Russian men) non-drinkers and non-violent. Mention must be made here of the Russians
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>>12680681
looks like an average early corded ware/yamnaya woman
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so why were these features present in steppe populations prior to contact with EEF?
also
why did ONLY EEF in central Europe, and NOT EEF in Scandinavia, France, Ukraine, British Isles select for light features?
>>12679594
but you are calling White people brown.
If Dolph had brown eyes and black hair, would he be non-White?
he has darker skin than most steppe and most GAC.
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>>12678317
>>12680665
>>12680670
>>12680696
This is still true today.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/invisible-bridges-life-along-the-chinese-russian-border/

>The combination is usually Chinese men and Russian women,” he said. This may be a result of simple demographics: in Russia, there are only eighty-seven men to every hundred women, whereas in China there are a hundred and six men to every hundred women. But, in Monteleone’s view, it’s also a convergence of different social and economic forces. “It’s because men die much sooner in these parts of Russia,” he said bluntly. “In this kind of remote region, there’s no jobs, no activities, no way to spend time, so the men just drink.” He continued, “And Russian women here seem to be much more responsible than men. I’m sorry to say it, but they’re the ones taking care of things.” On the southern side of the border, he noticed that language schools are full of young Russian women who seem dedicated to acquiring Mandarin, and perhaps a Chinese husband.

>In Manzhouli, he spent time with Sun Shengchang, a Chinese logger, and Katya Dianova, his young Russian wife. In Monteleone’s photograph, they look like archetypes: Sun with the high cheekbones, long nose, and angled eyes of the northern Chinese; Dianova with fair skin and gentle features that could have been described by Tolstoy (“this black-eyed, wide-mouthed girl, not pretty but full of life”). She holds their daughter, Natasha; he holds their son, Ramin. Their apartment is decrepit: peeling paint, rusty radiator. But there’s a glow to the little family—in this strange borderland of fake churches and invisible bridges, the dingy room contains something intimate and real. “They didn’t have a lot of money, but they were a very sweet couple,” Monteleone said. “You could tell that they really loved each other.”
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>>12678317
>>12680665
>>12680670
>>12680696
>>12680706

https://sputniknews.com/society/201803041062200297-china-russian-marriage-booming-business/

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/families/article/2146766/beautiful-ukrainian-women-chinese-men-dating-agency-ulove

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukk0egBjYqg

>Chinese Coal Miner Marries Russian Girl Who Says She ‘Doesn’t Need a Car or House’


https://www.worldofbuzz.com/chinese-coal-miner-marries-russian-girl-says-doesnt-need-car-house/

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/invisible-bridges-life-along-the-chinese-russian-border


https://www.worldofbuzz.com/chinese-coal-miner-marries-russian-girl-says-doesnt-need-car-house/

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/invisible-bridges-life-along-the-chinese-russian-border

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dispatches/features/2009/where_russia_meets_china/why_are_siberian_russians_drawn_to_china.html

>One feature of the Russian-Chinese relationship seemed especially telling: Cross-border marriages are overwhelmingly between Chinese men and Russian women. Much of this has to do with demographics—Russia has a surplus of women, while China has too many men. But as one Russian woman told me, "Chinese men are kinder and more attentive to their wives. And they usually have more money."

>In the international relations department of Amur State University in Blagoveshchensk, the number of students studying Chinese increases every year, and more Russian students now learn Chinese as their first foreign language than English. The department is closing its European studies track and shutting down German and French. Soon, it will offer only Chinese and English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukk0egBjYqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w58UTHy14xY
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>>12680704
>so why were these features present in steppe populations prior to contact with EEF?
selection

>why did ONLY EEF in central Europe, and NOT EEF in Scandinavia, France, Ukraine, British Isles select for light features?
selection


why do sardinian shitskins have the lowest amount of blue eyes in southern europe despite having the largest amount of whg in southern europeans except basque?
selection
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>>12680665
>>12680670
>>12680696
>>12680706
>>12680716

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Guagua

>Bo Kuangyi[2] (born 17 December 1987), more commonly known as Bo Guagua,[3] is the second son of former Chinese politician Bo Xilai, and the only child of Gu Kailai, his father's second wife. Bo attended Harrow School, read PPE at Oxford University, and studied for a master's degree at Harvard University.[4] In 2016, Bo graduated from Columbia Law School with a Juris Doctor degree.

>Because his father was a high-ranking Communist Party official, Bo Guagua's life has been an occasional topic of news media gossip, which intensified and gained considerable international attention when his father was removed from office in March 2012. Both his parents came under investigation in the alleged homicide of family friend Neil Heywood, who also reportedly helped Bo during his time in the UK.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Heywood
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/world/asia/bo-guaguas-parties-and-privilege-aggravate-elite-chinese-familys-fall.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/world/asia/bo-guaguas-parties-and-privilege-aggravate-elite-chinese-familys-fall.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129039/Champagne-shisha-parties-VERY-little-work-How-playboy-son-Chinese-murder-couple-hated-tutors-Oxford.html
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>>12678317
>>12680665
>>12680670
>>12680696
>>12680706
>>12680716
>>12680723
>>12680726

Meanwhile in reality:

Chinese in Africa: Chinese Men Marry African Wife

https://archive.is/GfdKf

Uganda is worried about the number of Chinese men marrying their women.

https://www.qz.com/africa/857156/uganda-is-worried-about-the-number-of-chinese-men-marrying-their-women
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>>12680736
https://m.theepochtimes.com/in-bo-xilais-trial-escapades-of-son-come-into-spotlight_263173.html
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>>12680665
>>12680670
>>12680696
>>12680706
https://nextshark.com/chinese-men-travel-to-russia-to-find-white-wives/

https://twitter.com/siberian_times/status/785771910030172160

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3832111/They-want-brides-white-skin-blue-eyes-Rich-Chinese-businessmen-pay-thousands-pounds-wife-tours-Siberia-shortage-women-country.html

We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides

https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/f0261-weve-come-for-your-women-chinese-men-seek-siberian-brides/

We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides
By Olga Gertcyk11 October 2016
Singles' tours for well-to-do men who crave women with 'white skin and blue eyes'.


'Initially men want to see brides with white skin and blue eyes'. Picture: OSD Centre

At first sight, it looks like a rather formal business meeting but this session in Novosibirsk is a get-to-known-you session between men from China and Russian women.

There were supposed to be eight 'bachelors', but only five made it to Novosibirsk after three found brides in their previous love tour stopover in Khabarovsk.

Here in the Puppen House restaurant, drinking tea, the men - aged between 25 and 46 and from Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen - talked with the aid of interpreters over their views on marriage and the family.

Elena Suvorova, head of marriage agency OSD Centre, which operates in a number of Siberian cities, explained that in China there is an imbalance in the sexes, with far more men than women. In Russia the situation is opposite.

'For them, a Russian woman is like a present,' she said. 'Men want to get married, and are committed for serious relationships.

'All the girls who we invited are under 35 years old. Initially men want to see brides with white skin and blue eyes - funnily enough, though, last year the girls who got into a relationship were brunettes with brown eyes.'

We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides
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We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides

We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides
'Initially men want to see brides with white skin and blue eyes'. Picture: OSD Centre

Suvorova praised Chinese men and their attitude to women.

'Chinese men treat women with respect,' she said. 'It is important for them that the woman is moderate, natural, calm, smiling, and not competing with the man.'

The men are 'all quite successful'.

She said: 'Last year we organised the first singles' tour when Chinese men visited [Novosibirsk].

'There were six men and 25 girls. After a meeting in Novosibirsk, there were two couples. And three couples after a stopover in Krasnoyarsk.'

In China there are around 34 million more men than women.

'With 120 men for every 100 women, China's Bridget Joneses are now male, and increasingly desperate for a date,' said one report.

China's historic 'one-child' policy has been blamed, which led parents to abandon girls or use sex-selective abortion to guarantee a male child.

We've come for your women: Chinese men seek Siberian brides
A Chinese boy on a street in a province of Zhejiang. Picture: The Siberian Times

Men are increasingly looking abroad for wives, and Siberia is on the doorstep. Cities like Blagoveshchensk, opposite the Chinese city of Heihe, have seen an upsurge in cross-border marriages.

But the singles' tours for upscale businessmen are a fairly new trend, and evidently popular, matching tours by Western lonely hearts to former Soviet countries.

Ivan Zuenko, of the Centre for Asian Pacific Studies of the Far Eastern Department of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said: 'There are more marriages registered between Chinese men and Russian women than between Chinese women and Russian men.

'But it is impossible to say that the number of such families is so high that it will impact on the demographic situation in the region.'
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>>12679640
>>12679655
>>12679667
This is absurd, he is portraying Whiteness as exclusively related to color.
He is seething over the color of Northern Europe.
EEF were White, steppe was White, WHG/CHG were White.
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>>12680758
A video shows a Chinese man playing saxophone in the city of Blagoveshchensk, the Far East of Russia, to attract attention of local women.

A piece of paper by his feet has handwritten ''Calm, balanced, looking for a Russian girlfriend.'
Tags:
Russian-Chinese marriagessingle men tours Siberiademography ChinaRussian bridesNovosibirsk

Chinese men are looking for Eastern European brides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LAjy0yB6XE
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>>12680766
>EEF were White, steppe was White, WHG/CHG were White.
only steppe was white
white doesn't mean anything

there's NORDIC, and the only NORDIC in that least is maybe the steppe, at least the EHG portion of their dna
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Zeelandia#Dutch_prisoners

>During the siege of Fort Zeelandia, the Chinese took many Dutch prisoners, among them the Dutch missionary Antonius Hambroek and his wife, and two of their daughters. Koxinga sent Hambroek to Fort Zeelandia to persuade the garrison to surrender; if unsuccessful, Hambroek would be killed upon return. Hambroek went up to the Fort, where two of his other daughters still remained, and urged the garrison to not surrender. He subsequently returned to Koxinga's camp and was beheaded. Additionally, a rumor was spread among the Chinese that the Dutch were encouraging the native Taiwan aboriginals to kill Chinese. In retaliation, Koxinga ordered the mass execution of Dutch male prisoners,[33] mostly by crucifixion and decapitation[34] with a few women and children also being killed. The remainder of the Dutch women and children were enslaved, with Koxinga taking Hambroek's teenage daughter as his concubine (she was described by the Dutch commander Caeuw as "a very sweet and pleasing maiden", while other Dutch women were sold to Chinese soldiers to become their (secondary) wives or mistresses.[35][36][37] The daily journal of the Dutch fort recorded that "the best were preserved for the use of the commanders, and the rest were sold to the common soldiers. Happy was she that fell to the lot of an unmarried man, being thereby freed from vexations by the Chinese women, who are very jealous of their husbands."[38] The Chinese took Dutch women as slave concubines and wives and they were never freed: in 1684 some were reported to be still living. In Quemoy a Dutch merchant was contacted with an arrangement to release the prisoners which was proposed by a son of Koxinga's but it came to nothing.[39][40][41]
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>>12680778
*the only NORDIC in that list
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>>12678317
>>12680779
https://archived.moe/b/thread/856994739/#q856997546

https://archived.moe/b/thread/845506576/#q845507195

https://archived.moe/b/thread/857336244/#q857375300
>>12427552
https://thebarchive.com/b/thread/856994739/#q856997546

>>856997546

https://thebarchive.com/b/thread/845506576/#q845507195

>>845507195

https://thebrchive.com/b/thread/857336244/#q857375300

>>857375300
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>>12680779
>>12680788
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Zeelandia#Dutch_prisoners

Dutch prisoners
During the siege of Fort Zeelandia, the Chinese took many Dutch prisoners, among them the Dutch missionary Antonius Hambroek and his wife, and two of their daughters. Koxinga sent Hambroek to Fort Zeelandia to persuade the garrison to surrender; if unsuccessful, Hambroek would be killed upon return. Hambroek went up to the Fort, where two of his other daughters still remained, and urged the garrison to not surrender. He subsequently returned to Koxinga's camp and was beheaded. Additionally, a rumor was spread among the Chinese that the Dutch were encouraging the native Taiwan aboriginals to kill Chinese. In retaliation, Koxinga ordered the mass execution of Dutch male prisoners,[39] mostly by crucifixion and decapitation[40] with a few women and children also being killed. The remainder of the Dutch women and children were enslaved, with Koxinga taking Hambroek's teenage daughter as his concubine (she was described by the Dutch commander Caeuw as "a very sweet and pleasing maiden", while other Dutch women were sold to Chinese soldiers to become their (secondary) wives or mistresses.[41][42][43] The daily journal of the Dutch fort recorded that "the best were preserved for the use of the commanders, and the rest were sold to the common soldiers. Happy was she that fell to the lot of an unmarried man, being thereby freed from vexations by the Chinese women, who are very jealous of their husbands."[44] The Chinese took Dutch women as slave concubines and wives and they were never freed: in 1684 some were reported to be still living. In Quemoy a Dutch merchant was contacted with an arrangement to release the prisoners which was proposed by a son of Koxinga's but it came to nothing.[45][46][47]
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>>12678317
>>12680779
>>12680788
>>12680793
The Chinese taking Dutch women as concubines was featured in Joannes Nomsz's famous play "Antonius Hambroek, of de Belegering van Formoza" ("Antonius Hambroek, or the Siege of Formosa"), which documented European anxieties at the fate of the Dutch women and defeat by non-Europeans.[48]
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>>12680793
>>12680797
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people#Dutch_and_English_in_Southeast_Asia_(17th_and_18th_century)

>During the 1620s Jan Pieterszoon Coen in particular insisted that families and orphans be sent from Holland to populate the colonies. As a result, a number of single women were sent and an orphanage was established in Batavia to raise Dutch orphan girls to become East India brides.[8] Around 1650, the number of mixed marriages, frequent in the early years of the Dutch East India Company (VOC), declined sharply. There was a large number of women from the Netherlands recorded as marrying in the years around 1650. At least half the brides of European men in Batavia came from Europe. Many of these women were widows, already previously married in the Indies, but almost half of them were single women from the Netherlands marrying for the first time. There were still considerable numbers of women sailing eastwards to the Indies at this time. The ships' passenger lists from the 17th century also evidence this. Not until later in the 17th century did the numbers of passengers to Asia drop drastically.[16]

De Hervormde Kerk in Nederlandsch Oost-Indië onder de Oost-Indische Compagnie (1602-1795).

Caspar Adam Laurens Van Troostenburg de Bruijn

p. 39

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA39

>Werden de mannen wreedaardig omgebracht, niet veel beter was het lot der Hollandsche vrouwen. Dezen werden onder de Chineezen verdeeld, waarbij zij er het best aan toe waren, die aan ongehuwden ten deel vielen. Maar zij daarentegen, die door dezen of genen gehuwden »Overste” genomen werden, konden wegens hun jaloersche en bittere »Wijven” haar leed niet overzien. Vele van haar werden‚ als de verachtelijkste slavinnnen tot de meest vernederende diensten gebruikt, en »zijn eindelijk, onder dien last gesmoord, en, na onuitdrukkelijke spijt, hoon, smaadheden en onlijdelìjke pijn nitgestaan te hebben, aan een droevig einde geraakt”
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>>12680766
eef and chg were brown, steppe was even browner, whg was somehow even more brown than the steppe
whiteness is a bronze age selection effect , the first to select en masse for such features were some farmers, and later indo europeans
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>>12680800
p. 451

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA451

>Vele Hollandsche vrouwen hadden als slavinnen der Chineesche njonja's een ondragelijk lot. Herhaalde, vergeefsche expeditiên tot de herovering van het eiland werden ondernomen.

De gids: nieuwe vaderlandsche letteroefeningen, Volume 61,Deel 2

p. 133

https://books.google.nl/books?id=fusbAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA133

>Maar de hoofden van Hambroek en de zijnen waren gevallen, terwijl zestienhonderd mannen ongeveer, door het zwaard en door ziekte, in dit noodlottig beleg waren omgekomen. Een der predikanten werd aan het kruis genageld; hij leefde nog tot den vijfden dag. Enkele slachtoffers moesten voordat de chineesche beul hen kwam onthalzen, getuygen zijn van het godloos schenden hunner vrouwen."

De Gids, Volume 61,Delen 1-2

p. 134

https://books.google.nl/books?id=HBPSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA134

>Bij de vermeestering van het fort Provincia had Coxinga ongeveer een honderdtal der inwonenden gevangen en tot slaven gemaakt; voor sommigen zou de ellende der chineesche slavernij tweeëntwintig jaren lang gerekt worden, meerderen nog daarin den dood vinden. De vrouwen van omgebrachte godsdienstleeraars, van nederlandsche ambtenaren en militairen werden onder de chineesche officieren verdeeld. Hambroeks derde dochter kwam in Coxinga's „vrouwen-huys" terecht. Het zwaarst woog dit slavinnenlot op degene, die in het huis van gehuwde officieren kwamen, d. i. onder den voet hunner „jaloersche en bittere wyven." De minnenyd van chineesche njonja's wist voor hen kwellingen uit te vinden, feller dan het woeden van den krijg hen reeds had doen uitstaan. Sommigen werden ten doode toe mishandeld en bestierven het ten leste, „na onuitdrukkelijke spijt, hoon, smaadheden en onlijdelijke pijn uitgestaan te hebben."
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>>12680806
Lost Colony: The Untold Story of China's First Great Victory over the West

p. 138

https://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&id=eHUgTnxgotUC&pg=PA138

>As they were digging out the well, a message from Koxinga arrived, brought by an odd trio: a Dutch woman wearing Chinese clothes

p. 166

https://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&id=eHUgTnxgotUC&pg=PA166

>After a week of this yelling and banging, Koxinga sent Coyet a letter demanding immediate surrender. The man he chose to deliver it was a Dutch missionary named Antonio Hambroek. It was an inspired choice. Hambroek, a venerable figure, was one of the many Dutch people who'd been living int he countryside when Koxinga arrive. The fact that he was now in Koxinga's power meant that there was little hope that the hundreds of other Dutch men and women who'd been living in the country—wives, brothers, sons, and daughters of those in the castle—were still free.

p. 193

https://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&id=eHUgTnxgotUC&pg=PA193

>One day a Dutch woman asked a soldier to go shoot a bird for her.

p. 238

https://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&id=eHUgTnxgotUC&pg=PA238

>"Shit on your God!" said the Swissman. "I dare you to come over here! You'll all be hanged. I'll deflower all the Dutch women, wives and maids alike.
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>>12680779
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>>12680797
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>>12680806
>>12680812

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>>8115970

https://archived.moe/his/thread/8099412/#8115970
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>>12680623
>I am afraid to read your posts
I know, its why you completely ignored the very innocuous statement
"Where are you from?"
Like a dasa slave cowering before his blonde Aryan master.
>they are italic+levantine
nope, if you break them down they score substantial Slavic DNA.
>>12680641
>a little more
nope, they had as much as Modern northern Europeans, and modern meds have almost 0.
>less steppe
many of them are more steppe than modern medlets kek
>not closer in appearance
they had a greater frequency of lighter features due to WHG admixture lmao, they were closer to Northern Europeans in appearance.
>at best they were shitskins
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
not even remotely.
They were very obviously high in White admixture (EEF/Steppe)
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>>>/b/856998175
The Dutch from Taiwan themselves said Dutch women were happy with being concubines of Chinese. According to the Dutch company journal, Dutch women in Taiwan became concubines to Chinese soldiers in 1662 after the Chinese conquered Dutch Formosa.

>Koxinga took Hambroek's teenage daughter as a concubine, and Dutch women were sold to Chinese soldiers to become their wives, the daily journal of the Dutch fort recorded that "the best were preserved for the use of the commanders, and then sold to the common soldiers
>The Dutch journal said "Happy was she that fell to the lot of an unmarried man, being thereby freed from vexations by the Chinese women, who are very jealous of their husbands."
>In 1684 some of these Dutch wives were still captives of the Chinese.
>Some Dutch physical looks like auburn and red hair among people in regions of south Taiwan are a consequence of this episode of Dutch women becoming concubines to the Chinese commanders.
>The Chinese took Dutch women as slave concubines and wives and they were never freed: in 1684 some were reported to be living, in Quemoy a Dutch merchant was contacted with an arrangement to release the prisoners which was proposed by a son of Koxinga's but it came to nothing.
>The Chinese officers used the Dutch women they received as concubines.
>The Dutch women were used for sexual pleasure by Koxinga's commanders.
>This event of Dutch women being distributed to the Chinese soldiers and commanders was recorded in the daily journal of the fort.
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>>12680661
>extremely little
Ancient Romans had Northern European levels of WHG, modern latins have sub 1% WHG.
>Romans were shitskin in appearance despite having skin lightening alleles modern Europeans have
L O L
>less steppe than modern italians
nope, its within a single percentile, with many having more steppe than modern italians.
modern Italics do have literal MENA admixture.
>closer
nope.
An ancient Italian shares more of his ancestry with a modern German than does a modern Italian.
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>>12680677
10% is rather substantial especially considering it makes them more similar to Northern Europeans.
>>12680690
and you'd be laughed at all the same.
>>12680721
>selection
selection does not explain why it occurred SOLELY in steppe admixed farmers.
>sardinians have the most WHG
nope, Balts have them beat.
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>>12680802
>race is only skin color
you're retarded, your SSA admixture is showing.
>selection
if they were White after, they were White before, White is not a color, its an ethnic designation.
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>>12680835
>nope, they had as much as Modern northern Europeans, and modern meds have almost 0.
they don't, they have about 10% even less>>12679097 >>12678828, modern spaniards have the same amount
modern north italians have 3% less

pic related is italians and spanairds


>many of them are more steppe than modern medlets kek
as we proved they have less steppe than modern central italians >>12679097 >>12678828
north italians, spaniards and greeks have more steppe than central italians so they have less steppe than 85% of modern meds

>they had a greater frequency of lighter features due to WHG admixture lmao, they were closer to Northern Europeans in appearance.
they were not


i know you have that dolph lundgren posting amerimutt that has to lie constantly
so let's take count of the lies

1 - italics had the same amount as northern europeans
absolutely hilarious
they had 10%, even less on average, northern europeans ave 20%+

2 - many of them are more steppe than modern medlets kek
most of them are LESS steppe than the large majority of modern meds
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>>12680866
>Ancient Romans had Northern European levels of WHG, modern latins have sub 1% WHG.
ancient romans have spanaird north italian levels of whg >>12680932

you are fucking crazy if you think they had northern european levels of whg

>>12679097 >>12678828

>nope, its within a single percentile, with many having more steppe than modern italians.
most have less steppe than modern italians

even going by your model >>12679097 they had less steppe than modern central italians let alone north italians, so most italians have more steppe

>An ancient Italian shares more of his ancestry with a modern German than does a modern Italian.
nope, modern north italians and tuscans are closer to north eruopeans than ancient italics were
you are just coping and denying science at this point
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>>12680904
>10% is rather substantial especially considering it makes them more similar to Northern Europeans.
10% is not substantial, and you find similar amount in many meds

>nope, Balts have them beat.
largest amount of whg IN SOUTHERN EUROPE, except basque
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>>12680866
>Ancient Romans had Northern European levels of WHG
are you stupid of what?

northern europeans have 20% to 30% whg

romans have more or less the same amount of whg that modern spaniards and north italians have
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>>12680904
they don't even have 10%
they top at 10%

they were literal fucking shitskins dude
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>>12681012
according to his model they average at 7% whg
while modern meds at 6.4%
but they have less steppe and more shitskinned farmer admixture
they also have a bit of levantine and north african admixture already

they were definitely brown people
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>>12680840
Dutch women were kept as sexual partners by the Chinese after the Dutch were expelled from Taiwan in 1662. [...] The surviving Dutch women and children were then turned into slaves. Koxinga took Hambroek's teenage daughter as a concubine; she was described by the Dutch commander Caeuw as "a very sweet and pleasing maiden". The other Dutch women were distributed to Koxinga's commanders, who used them as concubines. The daily journal of the Dutch fort recorded that "the best were preserved for the use of the commanders, and then sold to the common soldiers. Happy was she that fell to the lot of an unmarried man, being thereby freed from vexations by the Chinese women, who are very jealous of their husbands."

Some Dutch physical characteristics such as auburn and red hair among people in regions of south Taiwan are a consequence of this episode of Dutch women becoming concubines to the Chinese commanders. The Dutch women who were taken as slave concubines and wives were never freed. In 1684 some were reported to be living in captivity.
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>>12681038
they were literally swarthy brown people
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>>12680779
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>>12680793
>>12680797
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>>12680806
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>>12681043
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonius_Hambroek

After the Siege of Fort Zeelandia, Koxinga took Hambroek's teenage daughter as a concubine.[5][6] Other Dutch women were sold to Chinese soldiers to become their wives.[7]

The playwright Joannes Nomsz wrote a tragedy for the stage in 1775 about the martyrdom of Hambroek, "Antonius Hambroek, of de Belegering van Formoza" rendered in English as "Antonius Hambroek, or the Siege of Formosa",[8][9] sealing the missionary's fame in Holland.

The topic of the Chinese taking the Dutch women and the daughter of Antonius Hambroek as concubines was featured in Joannes Nomsz's play, which became famous and well known in Europe. This revealed European anxiety about the fate of the Dutch women and subjection to defeat by non-Europeans.[10]
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>>12680793
>>12680797
>>12681051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Formosa#Dutch

Dutch

The Dutch contingent was initially composed mostly of soldiers, with some slaves and other workers from the other Dutch colonies, particularly the area around Batavia (current day Jakarta). The number of soldiers stationed on the island waxed and waned according to the military needs of the colony, from a low of 180 troops in the early days to a high of 1,800 shortly before Koxinga's invasion. There were also a number of other personnel, from traders and merchants to missionaries and schoolteachers, plus the Dutch brought with them slaves from their other colonies, who mainly served as personal slaves for important Dutch people.
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>>12681059
Dutch women were kept as sexual partners by the Chinese after the Dutch were expelled from Taiwan in 1662. During the Siege of Fort Zeelandia, in which Chinese Ming loyalist forces commanded by Koxinga besieged and defeated the Dutch East India Company and conquered Taiwan, the Chinese took Dutch women and children prisoner. The Dutch missionary Antonius Hambroek, two of his daughters, and his wife were among the Dutch prisoners of war with Koxinga. Koxinga sent Hambroek to Fort Zeelandia demanding that he persuade them to surrender or else Hambroek would be killed when he returned. Hambroek returned to the Fort, where two of his other daughters were. He urged the Fort not to surrender, assuring them that Koxinga's troops were growing hungry and rebellious, and returned to Koxinga's camp. He was then executed by decapitation. In addition to this, a rumor was spread among the Chinese that the Dutch were encouraging the native Taiwan aboriginals to kill Chinese, so Koxinga ordered the mass execution of Dutch male prisoners in retaliation. A few women and children were also killed. The surviving Dutch women and children were then turned into slaves. Koxinga took Hambroek's teenage daughter as a concubine;[54][55][56][57] she was described by the Dutch commander Caeuw as "a very sweet and pleasing maiden".[58] The other Dutch women were distributed to Koxinga's commanders, who used them as concubines.[59][60][61][62] The daily journal of the Dutch fort recorded that "the best were preserved for the use of the commanders, and then sold to the common soldiers. Happy was she that fell to the lot of an unmarried man, being thereby freed from vexations by the Chinese women, who are very jealous of their husbands."[62]
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>>12681073
>>>/b/857001511
Some Dutch physical characteristics such as auburn and red hair among people in regions of south Taiwan are a consequence of this episode of Dutch women becoming concubines to the Chinese commanders and soldiers.[62] The Dutch women who were taken as slave concubines and wives were never freed. In 1684 some were reported to be living in captivity.[63] A Dutch merchant in Quemoy was contacted with an arrangement, proposed by a son of Koxinga's, to release the prisoners, but it came to nothing.[63]

Dutch-language accounts record this incident of Chinese taking Dutch women as concubines and the date of Hambroek's daughter.[64][65][66][67]
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daily remainder
romans had LESS steppe than modern north italians, central italians, spanairds and continental greeks, hence less steppe than 90% of modern meds >>12681012

romans have MORE anatolian farmer than all modern meds except sardinians >>12681012

romans had LESS whg than modern iberians and 2% more whg than modern north italians, overall southern european levels of whg >>12681012

daily remainder that an average tuscan is closer to a northern europeans than 90% of ancient italic samples >>12680661

all of this has been proven here
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>>12680800
>>/b/856997672
De Hervormde Kerk in Nederlandsch Oost-Indië onder de Oost-Indische Compagnie (1602-1795).

Caspar Adam Laurens Van Troostenburg de Bruijn

p. 39

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA39

>Werden de mannen wreedaardig omgebracht, niet veel beter was het lot der Hollandsche vrouwen. Dezen werden onder de Chineezen verdeeld, waarbij zij er het best aan toe waren, die aan ongehuwden ten deel vielen. Maar zij daarentegen, die door dezen of genen gehuwden »Overste” genomen werden, konden wegens hun jaloersche en bittere »Wijven” haar leed niet overzien. Vele van haar werden‚ als de verachtelijkste slavinnnen tot de meest vernederende diensten gebruikt, en »zijn eindelijk, onder dien last gesmoord, en, na onuitdrukkelijke spijt, hoon, smaadheden en onlijdelìjke pijn nitgestaan te hebben, aan een droevig einde geraakt”

>If the men were cruelly killed, the fate of the Dutch women was not much better. These were distributed among the Chinese, in the best condition of those who fell to the unmarried. But those, on the other hand, who were taken by this or that married "Princess" could not see her sorrow because of their jealous and bitter "Wives". Many of them were used as the most despicable slaves to the most humiliating services, and "have at last been strangled under that burden, and, after having suffered inexpressible regrets, scorn, reproaches, and impassable pain, have come to a sad end."

> Were the men cruelly killed, not much better was the fate of dutch women. These were divided among the Chinese, in which they were best off, which were due to unmarried people. But those who were taken by these or gene-married Superior could not see her suffering because of their jealous and bitter. Many of her were used as the most despicable slaves to the most degrading services, and "have finally been smothered under that burden, and, after inexpressible regret, scorn, defamation and inexorable pain, have come to a sad end."
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>>12680800
>>>/b/856997672
The Reformed Church in the Dutch East Indies under the East India Company (1602-1795).

Caspar Adam Laurens Van Troostenburg de Bruijn

p. 39

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA39

>If the men were cruelly killed, the fate of the Dutch women was not much better. These were distributed among the Chinese, in the best condition of those who fell to the unmarried. But those, on the other hand, who were taken by this or that married "Princess" could not see her sorrow because of their jealous and bitter "Wives". Many of them were used as the most despicable slaves to the most humiliating services, and "have at last been strangled under that burden, and, after having suffered inexpressible regrets, scorn, reproaches, and impassable pain, have come to a sad end."

The Reformed Church in the Dutch East Indies under the East India Company (1602-1795).

Caspar Adam Laurens Van Troostenburg de Bruijn

p. 39

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA39

> Were the men cruelly killed, not much better was the fate of dutch women. These were divided among the Chinese, in which they were best off, which were due to unmarried people. But those who were taken by these or gene-married Superior could not see her suffering because of their jealous and bitter. Many of her were used as the most despicable slaves to the most degrading services, and "have finally been smothered under that burden, and, after inexpressible regret, scorn, defamation and inexorable pain, have come to a sad end."
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>>12681086
based
i wish i was a swarthy italic descended from the swarthy EEF, killing northern european men and having sex with northern european women
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>>12680806
>>>/b/856997753
p. 451

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA451

>Many Dutch women had an unbearable fate as slaves of the Chinese njonjas. Repeated, futile expeditions were made until the reconquest of the island.

The Guide: New Native Letter Exercises, Volume 61, Volume 2

p. 133

https://books.google.nl/books?id=fusbAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA133

>But the heads of Hambroek and his men had fallen, while about sixteen hundred men had perished by sword and disease in this fatal siege. One of the ministers was nailed to the cross; he lived till the fifth day. Some of the victims had to witness the godless abuse of their wives before the Chinese executioner came to cut them off."

The Guide, Volume 61, Parts 1-2

p. 134

https://books.google.nl/books?id=HBPSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA134

>During the capture of Fort Provincia, Coxinga had captured and enslaved about a hundred of the inhabitants; for some, the misery of Chinese slavery would be stretched for twenty-two years, and others would die in it. The wives of killed religious teachers, Dutch civil servants and soldiers were divided among the Chinese officers. Hambroek's third daughter ended up in Coxinga's "women's house." This slave fate weighed most heavily on those who entered the house of married officers, i.e. under the feet of their "jealous and bitter women." The minnied of Chinese njonjas could invent for them torments more fierce than the fury of war had already made them bear. Some were ill-treated to the point of death, and died at last, "after enduring inexpressible regret, scorn, reproach, and unspeakable pain."
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>>12680806
>>12681112
>>>/b/856997753
>>>/b/857002103
p. 451

https://books.google.nl/books?id=TX5VAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA451

> Many Dutch women had an unbearable fate as slaves of the Chinese njonyas. Repeated, futile expeditiên until the recapture of the island was undertaken.

The guide: new patriotic letter exercises, Volume 61,Part 2

p. 133

https://books.google.nl/books?id=fusbAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA133

>But the heads of Hambroek and his men had fallen, while sixteen hundred men had died in this fateful siege, approximately by sword and disease. One of the preachers was nailed to the cross; He lived till the fifth day. Some of the victims had to be taunted by the ungodly their wives before the Chinese executioner came to them."

The Guide, Volume 61,Parts 1-2

p. 134

https://books.google.nl/books?id=HBPSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA134

>In the mastery of the Fort Provincia, Coxinga had imprisoned and enslaved about a hundred of the residents; for some, the misery of Chinese slavery would be stretched for twenty-two years, several more would still be dead in it. The wives of the sedated religious teachers, of dutch officials and soldiers were divided among the chinese officers. Hambroek's third daughter ended up in Coxinga's "vrouwen-huys". The hardest weighed this slave lot on those who came into the homes of married officers, i.e. under the foot of their "jealous and bitter wyven." The minnenyd of Chinese njonyas managed to invent torments for them, brighter than the wrath of the war had already made them stand. Some were beaten to death and preyed upon, "after expressing regret, scorn, defamation and indecent pain."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famke_Janssen

Famke Beumer Janssen[2] (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈfɑmkə ˈbøːmər ˈjɑnsə(n)]; born c.1964[3][4]) is a Dutch actress and former fashion model. She played Xenia Onatopp in GoldenEye (1995), Jean Grey / Phoenix in the X-Men film series (2000–2014), Ava Moore on Nip/Tuck, and Lenore Mills in the Taken film trilogy (2008–2014). In 2008, she was appointed a Goodwill Ambassador for Integrity by the United Nations. She made her directorial debut with Bringing Up Bobby in 2011. She is also known for her role in the Netflix original series Hemlock Grove and for her role in ABC's How to Get Away with Murder. Janssen starred in the 2017 NBC crime thriller The Blacklist: Redemption.

Categories: Age controversies1960s birthsLiving people20th-century Dutch actresses21st-century Dutch actressesHIV/AIDS activistsDutch expatriates in the United StatesDutch female modelsDutch film actressesDutch television actressesDutch people of Frisian descentPeople from AmstelveenColumbia University School of General Studies alumni

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR1wpRpOi0o
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>>12681012
holy shit, a modern andalusian and a modern sardinian have more whg than ALL the ancient italic samples
a modern central italian from umbria, marche or tuscany have more steppe than italic samples

why were they so swarthy
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Nederdraad
Mensen wakker?
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>Russians pretend Caucasians aren’t White because they kept losing wars to them.

You make no sense dumbass. Why would Russians want to humiliate themselves by pretending they loose to non-whites instead of white people?

So are Mongols white now because they conquered Russia you absolute retard?
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>>12681137
cause caucasians aren't white
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>>12681137
churkas are non white brown shitskins
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>>12681137
>Why would Russians want to humiliate themselves by pretending they loose to non-whites
cause they lost to actual non whites (churkoids)

>So are Mongols white now because they conquered Russia you absolute retard?
no, they aren't white, simply because they aren't white
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>>12680932
>10% less
nope, Northern Europeans range from 10-15% WHG, with outliers like Balts reaching 25%.
>we proved
nope
You keep posting numbers which show there is a range of variation in ancient Romans where their range is 30-40% CWC, which is substantially higher than modern Meds.
Its actually Central European levels of CWC.
As an average they are 1% less steppe, but their range of steppe DNA shows they can reach Central and North European levels of steppe being upward of 40% CWC.
>less steppe
again you are taking a total average while picking only a small group of Meds, Med average is actually lower, Greeks, Spaniards, and Italians taken as a collective, and if we are being memetards, MENA living along the Med coast, are all less steppe than Ancient Roman average, not to mention many ancient Romans had significantly more steppe.
>lies
you do this everythread, you misunderstand the data then call anyone who tries to explain to you a liar.
You are too stupid to interact with this field.
>Northern Europeans are 20% average
show me the numbers, you cant even manipulate vahaduo to get Northern Euros to 25% WHG.
Only Balts have that much, typical North of the Alps Europeans are 10-15%, with 15% being more common in Ireland/Scotland/Scandinavia.
having 10% WHG is absolutely within the range of Northern Europeans.
10% WHG and 40% CWC, that is literally the profile of a Belgian or a German.
>most are less steppe
actually most are more steppe.
It is a handful of outliers going as low as 20% steppe that drag down the average.
and even then the average is only 1% lower than modern Meds.
A plurality of ancient Romans had MORE steppe DNA than Meds.
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>>12680946
>half of the Italians have no WHG
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
>less steppe
A plurality of Romans had MORE steppe than modern Meds, with some of them having NORTHERN EUROPEAN genetic profiles such as 10% WHG 40% CWC.
>they were not
you mean they did not, but yes they did.
>Northern Europeans are 20% WHG
you will never post evidence of this claim and every time I ask you will only barricade yourself further in your nonsensical cope.
>most of them
a plurality of them are MORE STEPPE than modern Meds.
They also have a much wider range of variation than Meds.
having 40% Steppe and 10% WHG guys walking around would look something like a city in Belgium or Germany.
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>>12681512
>nope, Northern Europeans range from 10-15% WHG, with outliers like Balts reaching 25%.
lie number 2 detected, ancient romans, according to your model average at 7% >>12681012, a single percentile above modern meds, and lower than modern spanairds

>You keep posting numbers which show there is a range of variation in ancient Romans where their range is 30-40% CWC, which is substantially higher than modern Meds.
lie number 2 detected they average at less than 30% >>12681012 that is LESS than modern meds have more corded ware

>Med average is actually lower, Greeks, Spaniards
lie number 3 detected, med average is higher >>12681012 i only took italians and spanairds, but greeks have MORE than italians and spaniards

>10% WHG and 40% CWC, that is literally the profile of a Belgian or a German.
lie number 4 detected, they average of CWC is less than 30% >>12681012, their whg is less than 10% according to your model
if they are central europeans so are spanairds and italians

>actually most are more steppe.
lie number 5, most are LESS steppe >>12680932

>A plurality of ancient Romans had MORE steppe DNA than Meds.
lie number 6, a plurality had less steppe than modern meds >>12680932
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>>12680951
>you find similar amount in many Meds
its completely absent in about half of italians.
>largest amount is in Southern Europe
nope, no one scores higher than Balts.
>>12681086
>>12681086
Romans had 40% CWC guys walking around, that is nearly 2x the steppe of Modern meds.
many of them had 30+% which is more than modern meds.
>>12681012
>literal fucking shitskins
>ignoring their skin lightening alleles
gargantuan cope.
They literally did not have the genes for brown skin lmao.
>>12681078
There are zero instances of light hair among Taiwanese, I have been there, they look like mainland chinese.
in about 15 years there may be some :)
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>>12681534
>HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
lie number 7 detected >>12681012
spanairds have more whg than ancient romans according your model
and only 1/3 of italians have no whg(not counting the amount that corded ware had)

>A plurality of Romans had MORE steppe than modern Meds, with some of them having NORTHERN EUROPEAN genetic profiles such as 10% WHG 40% CWC.
lie number 8 detected >>12681012 a plurality had less steppe than modern meds
greeks were also not included and have more steppe than both italians and iberians on average

>you will never post evidence of this claim and every time I ask you will only barricade yourself further in your nonsensical cope.
lie number 9 detected >>12681012
according to all models they had less steppe than an andalusian

>having 40% Steppe and 10% WHG guys walking around would look something like a city in Belgium or Germany.
lie number 10 detected >>12681012 they had 30% steppe on average, literally only 1 sample, the proto villanovan, goes up to reaches 40%
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>49 posters
>400 posts of browncels absolutely frothing AGAIN
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>>12681565
>its completely absent in about half of italians.
lie number 11 detected >>12681012
it's absent in 1/3 of italians

>Romans had 40% CWC guys walking around, that is nearly 2x the steppe of Modern meds.
lie number 12 detected >>12681012 only one sample the proto villanovan reaches 40% steppe in all models

>many of them had 30+% which is more than modern meds.
lie number 13 detected, even central italians like ubrians, marche and tuscans have more than 30% >>12681012 according to your model
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>>12681125
Married Chinese women choose White male donors to have children with.
Wealthy Chinese men have to pay Ukrainian prostitutes to marry them.
Chinese government has state enforced cuckoldry with black african students fucking chinese college girls.
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>>12681012
they are not even particularly whg rich they average at 7% according to his model with half of ancient italic samples having north italian levels of whg and most italic samples having less than andalucians

the lies of the northern european man know no bounds
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>>12681618
ancient italics must have been pretty swarthy
with 30% CWC and 7% whg, these are less than north italian/south spanaird levels of steppe/whg
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>>12681586
>you were off by 17% therefore liar, therefore nordicist trying to subvert my monkey cope
HAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAAA
>only 1 sample
Yes, thats a 40% CWC 10% WHG guy walking around ancient Rome.
Are you going to try and tell us he was the only one of his kind?
The fac the exists as an upper end of a Roman cline already BTFOs everything you've said, not a single modern Italian reaches ancient Roman steppe outliers.
You've already lost, men like him were in ancient Rome and had a Northern European profile.
One of the Roman legions had a requirement, you had to be 6' to be considered an applicant, how many modern meds would make the cut?
>your model
not my model
>Central Italians have single digits more
LOL
only Italians living on the border of German speaking states even come close to the range of steppe Ancient Romans had, so again, MOST italians are unlike the Romans in regards to steppe admixture.
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Ching bing wong
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>>12681618
>>12681626
>med inferiority complex
There are zero pure Italics who reach 40% or even 35% CWC with 10% WHG on top of it.
These are Northern European genetic profies and you can continue to cope forever.
>northern Europeans are 20% WHG
no they arent
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>>12681102
Italics were an IE group.
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>>12681631
>Yes, thats a 40% CWC 10% WHG guy walking around ancient Rome.
lie number 14 detected >>12681012, he was only 1 sample, hence NOT a plurality

>not a single modern Italian reaches ancient Roman steppe outliers.
lie number 15 detected >>12681012, italian aosta valley and northeast surpass the 40%

>You've already lost, men like him were in ancient Rome and had a Northern European profile.
lie number 16 detected >>12681012 he had 0% whg according to your model and high EEF, hence why he clusters with southern europeans

Distance to: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.02645996 Italian_Lombardy
0.02887154 Italian_Piedmont
0.03195847 Italian_Bergamo
0.03280277 Greek_Thessaly
0.03301222 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03311316 Italian_Liguria
0.03393619 Italian_Veneto
0.03438140 Swiss_Italian

>only Italians living on the border of German speaking states even come close to the range of steppe Ancient Romans had, so again, MOST italians are unlike the Romans in regards to steppe admixture.
lie number 17 detected, umbria doesn't border any german speaking state

>MOST italians are unlike the Romans in regards to steppe admixture.
lie number 18 detected >>12681012, all central italians and northern italians have more steppe than ancient italics on average, hence making modern italians more steppe on average
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>>12681641
>There are zero pure Italics who reach 40% or even 35% CWC with 10% WHG on top of it.
lie number 19 detected >>12681012, neither ancient roman samples did that, the proto villanovan sample, the only one to reach 40% cwc has 0 whg in your model

>These are Northern European genetic profies and you can continue to cope forever.
lie number 20 detected, the proto villanovan sample has very low whg and much higher steppe than northern europeans, hence overall he cluster with southern europeans

Distance to: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.02645996 Italian_Lombardy
0.02887154 Italian_Piedmont
0.03195847 Italian_Bergamo
0.03280277 Greek_Thessaly
0.03301222 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03311316 Italian_Liguria
0.03393619 Italian_Veneto
0.03438140 Swiss_Italian
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>>12681675
*lie number 20 detected, the proto villanovan sample has very low whg and much higher FARMER than northern europeans, hence overall he cluster with southern europeans
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>>12681102
>i wish i was a swarthy italic descended from the swarthy EEF, killing northern european men and having sex with northern european women
>Italic Y DNA R1b northern European
>Italic MtDNA EEF



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