Literally a collection of mudhuts What Exactly was so special about this Neolithic settlement?
The huts were a bit larger than in most African villages and the settlement itself was also larger.Overall it was pretty pathetic, but still it seemed incredible for negroes to achieve this and thus the thing came to be considered as a marvel. Kinda like it would if some gorillas were to build a bunch of huts.
>>12671063It wasn't the largest city in precolonial Africa wasn't even the largest during its peak it especially was after centuries of raids and decline
>>12671191>It wasn't the largest city in precolonial Africa wasn't even the largest during its peakYeah arab cities in the North were largerBut we're talking about Subsaharan (black) Africa here
>>12671063Those aren’t huts, they’re three story buildings. Just because they’re made out a different material, doesn’t mean they’re less impressive.And the real reason that comparatively unimpressive African architecture is praised so much is because the continent still has the completely unsubstantiated stigma of being primitive (ie. mudhuts, chasing zebras, spears, etc) and people overcompensate in response to combat that.
Most old cities in the horn of africa look architecturally impressive .
Gondar, Ethiopia.Why do people tend to forgot the horn of africa when they shit talk africa? for all intents and purposes it was able to be on the same technological level as most of the world until 17-18th century
Retards really think Timbuktu is famous for its architecture, and not for its famed mythology during the early modern period
>>12671211Wasn't the largest in there either retard like seriously can you morons actually understand what your even trying to argue against >>12671324I mean so was western like architecture isn't the only technology
>>12671236>they’re three story buildingsWhy do you so blatantly lie on something the post you're replying to has literal PHOTOGRAPHS of? Are you retarded?This shit aren't "three stories buildings", you sub-80 IQ chimp.These are one-story buildings (large huts) that may at most be confused for two-stories buildings when looked from outside due to the roof being quite high and due to an opening being near the roof.But even from the outside, no one can confuse it for a three-stories building.Disingenuous ape...
why are people so obsessed with timbuktu anyway? I personally like the architecture of the gulf of guinea a lot more, and it was also better built, more beautiful, more complicated, and wasn't made of dried mud.
>>12671347It actually famous for its schools and learning institutions>>12671384Wasn't aware those were the only buildings in Timbuktu
>>12671383>Wasn't the largest in there eitherYes it was, stop seething, pathetic baboon.The only competitor in Subsaharan Africa was Kano and it looked even worse>inb4 the literal chimp post some drawing about some villageEvery "large" city in pre-colonial Africa (so only Kano and Timbuktu) has late 19th century photographs taken by Europeans showing the city's size.If you want to cite an exemple of another large pre-colonial Subsaharan city and be taken seriously, please provide said photograph attached to the post.
>>12671236>the continent still has the completely unsubstantiated stigma of being primitive>completely unsubstantiated
>>12671384>Why do you so blatantly lie on something the post you're replying to has literal PHOTOGRAPHS of? Are you retarded?Right those specific photographs are the only buildings in Timbuktu!Also I appreciate the fact that you completely neglected every other point I made and just decided to settle on calling me disingenuous.
>>12671415>Wasn't aware those were the only buildings in TimbuktuThose are typical buildings, unlike the mosque (university my ass) of Sankore.You can see on any panoramic shot showing the city as a whole that these not-so-high buildings composed the entirety of the city.Only some mud minarets rose above them.
>>12671429Maybe I should’ve said “savage” instead of primitive. Africa was primitive in the same way that the majority of Europe was until only a few centuries ago. Many people to this day deny the existence of complex civilization/trade and agriculture in SSA. This denial is based on colonial myths intended to justify colonialism https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xeebU8VhmY That’s the unfair stigma I am referring to.
>>12671429It's really funny, they try to hype up the few bright spots of something resembling civilization (still profoundly unimpressive), meanwhile much of the continent was just primitive tribes even by premodern standards>b-but they had iron and cattle and...yeah and they did shit-all with those.There are entire countries in Africa that didn't have anything you could call a city before the Europeans arrived (even using the most generous definition of "city")
The tallest building in precolonial Timbuktu was the 50ft tower of the Sankore mosqueWe can see it tower over the whole city in every panoramic shot.The average building in Timbuktu was a 15ft tall one-story house (such as those shown on that pic >>12671384 ).
>>12671509>Africa was primitive in the same way that the majority of Europe was until only a few centuries ago.NoThe average subsaharan settlement (bare a few that amounted for less than a dozen in total) looked like pic relatedThat's Europe 10,000 years ago
>>12670788>Literally a collection of mudhutsYou're cherrypicking one time period and assuming this is the best sub saharan Africa has to offer. There were larger settlements with stone walls and buildings in medieval Africa and Europeans explorers actually confirm this. The whole reason why Timbuktu was impressive was because a lot of scholars from all over the world visited the city and learned there. the ideas that came in and out of the city were progressive and advanced for the time. Although we are talking about the 1300-1400's. >>12671533Northern European settlements looked like this in 1200 you fucking retard lol do you even know your own history? You also have no idea what the average sub saharan settlement looked like. you are completely bullshitting and making assumptions without even considering any real examples.
>>12671533>That's Europe 10,000 years agoUmmm
>>12671533>England circa 1400
>>12671584Whoops forgot pic
>>12670788I know you just want to be racist, but I'd assume most of the basedjacking came from myths, mali era Timbuktu was also a big collection of mudhouses and a couple of bigger mud structures, (To be fair I don't think the Sahel has all that much to work with, construction materials wise) it was the home to a big university, and it made the Islamic traveler basedjak, same with Mansa Musa. The basejaking filtered up to Europe to compound with the ret of the mythology.
>>12671596KEK I don't know why these idiots are coping so hard. Europe and Africa only really started going separate ways like 700 years ago, or even sooner. A major reason for this was that Africa had no access to the Eurasian trade belts that drove pretty much all innovation and science throughout history. Even so, Africans did a decent job with metallurgy and their city state settlements, especially having shitty terrain for trade routes and no real sea access to other places.
>>12671509>Africa was primitive in the same way that the majority of Europe was until only a few centuries agoNah. I don't believe that Europe was anywhere near as primitive as most of Africa.Even some random place in Europe in the middle of nowhere was more advanced than most of Sub Saharan Africa. For one thing most places anywhere in Europe wouldn't have been that far away from the nearest literate person. Or the nearest person to build you a wheeled vehicle.
>>12671596That's not a depiction of 1400. That's more like something from nearly 1000 years beforehand. Most of Africa wouldn't have a cart, or any wheeled vehicle, like in the bottom of your pic either
>>12671518>It's really funny, they try to hype up the few bright spots of something resembling civilization (still profoundly unimpressive), meanwhile much of the continent was just primitive tribes even by premodern standardsYeah, the reason that they cling on to shit like 'Great Zimbabwe' is because there really isn't much else that is of any significance.
>>12671643Notice how everything you're saying is just conjecture and basically racism with no actual evidence. Most of europe was technologically behind the rest of the world until quite recently. The farther you get from italy, the more backwards the people were. Like other posters pointed out, the average European settlement was equivalent to the average African one, except Europeans used more wood than rocks/mud because they had better trees for building. If you're going by distance, then yes Europe is a much smaller continent with a pretty constant climate so it's not like people were spread out thousands of miles apart. Everyone in Europe had access to their neighbors for trade and science. This actually makes Northern Europeans look horrible compared to Africans, considering that they had exposure to the Romans and other very advanced civs from day 1, whereas Africans had no exposure to anyone for millennia and still came out with agriculture, metal working, and organized empires.
>>12671609>Europe and Africa only really started going separate ways like 700 years ago, or even sooner.Laughable. If you believe this you are an idiot
>>12671324east africa has west eurasian admixture
>>12671643>For one thing most places anywhere in Europe wouldn't have been that far away from the nearest literate personJust like in Africa, and the entire world for that matter, the vast majority of Europeans were illiterate. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1290524.pdf>Or the nearest person to build you a wheeled vehicle.Another myth that has been proven completely wrong. This video has some good references that dispute the “no wheels” claim (the guy is annoying though so you can just read the sources in the description for yourself).https://youtu.be/ry2cRP73h9s
>>12671643>>12671643>Most of Africa wouldn't have a cart, or any wheeled vehicle, like in the bottom of your pic either>MUH WHEELSEuroshits didn't invent the wheel you retard. If anything the spoked wheel was invented by Central Asians of the Sintashta, and Indians are arguably the most descended from these people. Not only this, but the spinning loop for creating fabric and clothes was invented in India and literally transplanted to Europe in the 1400's. >>12671684You have never done any real historical research, I am noticing. Nothing you've said seems to have fact or basis in reality, it's just the same talking points repeated on /pol/ or some other echo chamber. Stop posting here
>>12671654>Most of Africa wouldn't have a cart, or any wheeled vehicle, like in the bottom of your pic eitherSahelians often used wheeled vehicles for trade, and so did horners.Peope of the gulf of guinea also had examples of wheels as well, although they weren't used for much, and horses would die in the area.
>>12671700>Euroshits didn't invent the wheel you retard.Hahaha you fucking moronhttps://www.visitljubljana.com/en/visitors/explore/expo/the-oldest-wheel-in-the-world/>The world's oldest wheel found at the Ljubljana Marshes in 2002 is on display at the City Museum of Ljubljana. The 5,200-year-old wooden wheel with its axle, in terms of both age and technological perfection, belongs at the very peak of the world's cultural heritage.>If anything the spoked wheel was invented by Central Asians of the SintashtaThere were wheels that existed before the spoked wheel. In any case the Sintashta were descended from the Corded Ware Culture. Europeans.>You have never done any real historical research, I am noticing. Nothing you've said seems to have fact or basis in reality, it's just the same talking points repeated on /pol/ or some other echo chamber. Stop posting hereAnd you're a coping faggot.
Djinguereber Mosque, Timbuktu. 1200.
>>12671672>Yeah, the reason that they cling on to shit like 'Great Zimbabwe' is because there really isn't much else that is of any significancehttps://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/gold/hd_gold.htm
>>12671687I hate this cope. Cuz when the topic of East Africans also being warmongerers and Hunter gatherers comes up, y’all are quick to call them “subhuman nighers”
>>12671732You are an aggressive asshole.
>>12671674>everything you're saying is just conjecture and basically racismCry more you little pissant. I don't give a fucking damn what you think is 'racist'.>Most of europe was technologically behind the rest of the world until quite recently. Nope. This is just more cope.
>>12671415>>12671422Okay, what was so great about their scholars and institutions? It sounds like they were just a worse version of Arabs and Persians.
>>12671732>https://www.visitljubljana.com/en/visitors/explore/expo/the-oldest-wheel-in-the-world/A literal travel website is your source. You fucking dipshit>One of the earliest examples was discovered at Tepe Pardis, Iran, and dated to 5200–4700 BCE. These were made of stone or clay and secured to the ground with a peg in the center, but required significant effort to turn. True potter's wheels, which are freely-spinning and have a wheel and axle mechanism, were developed in Mesopotamia (Iraq) by 4200–4000 BCE.https://books.google.com/books?id=qqEqjtKJQ3YC&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false>There were wheels that existed before the spoked wheel. In any case the Sintashta were descended from the Corded Ware Culture. Europeans.Spoked wheels are arguably more important than any other wheel. Also, Corded ware people were predominantly R1a and this is the most common lineage of India and parts of South Asia. Western Europeans have r1b which is not the same. In any case, actual Europeans didn't invent shit. You're a disingenuous snowmonkey who doesn't belong here. Back to /pol/ fag
>>12671760>Cry more you little pissant. I don't give a fucking damn what you think is 'racist'.So you're just going to spew bullshit without any real evidence? Glad you're admitting it>>12671760>Nope. This is just more cope.You have no response because you know I'm right. How pathetic LOL you can only mutter "cope" under your breath, while everyone here is posting actual journal articles and books with real findings.
>>12671732Europeans inherited the wheel from Mesopotamia.
>>12671690>This video has some good references that dispute the “no wheels” claim (the guy is annoying though so you can just read the sources in the description for yourself).>https://youtu.be/ry2cRP73h9s [Embed]This is the video where the guy claims that Africans didn't use wheeled vehicles because they didn't have good roads to use wheeled vehicles on and they didn't need good roads because they didn't use wheeled vehicles.LOLWhy didn't they build better roads? Couldn't be bothered?
>>12671796>This is the video where the guy claims that Africans didn't use wheeled vehicles because they didn't have good roads to use wheeled vehicles on and they didn't need good roads because they didn't use wheeled vehicles.That's not what the video says at all. >Why didn't they build better roads? Couldn't be bothered?Africa isn't some tiny continent, it makes no sense to build roads through deserts and jungles that stretch thousands of miles in all directions. Europe's roads were built by Romans, along with their entire culture and civilization. It's really a fluke that Europe exited their hunter gatherer lifestyle due to some near-eastern mixed Meds conquering them and forcing literacy and tech upon them.
>>12671796>Why didn't they build better roads? Couldn't be bothered?Camels were more effective for traversing the sandy terrain of the Sahara.https://www.jstor.org/stable/3103722
>>12671553>You're cherrypicking one time period and assuming this is the best sub saharan Africa has to offer.No, Timbuktu is widely aknowledged as one of the most impressive pre-colonial Subsaharan cities>There were larger settlements with stone walls and buildings in medieval Africa and Europeans explorers actually confirm this.No.The thing on your pic is specifically known because it was the only stone building found in Subsaharan AfricaBtw no one knows when it's from and who built it
>>12671609>Europe and Africa only really started going separate ways like 700 years agoFucking please. Much of Africa was still paleolithic (yes, paleolithic) because the Bantus hadn't arrived yet or were still settling in back then, conquering pygmies and other isolated hunter-gatherers. This was still ongoing in half of Africa by the time European explorers arrived.
>>12671819>Btw no one knows when it's from and who built it> In the 1800s, European travelers and English colonizers, stunned by Great Zimbabwe’s grandeur and its cunning workmanship, attributed the architecture to foreign powers. Such attributions were dismissed when archaeological investigations conducted during the first decades of the twentieth century confirmed both the antiquity of the site and its African origins.https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/zimb/hd_zimb.htm
>>12670788I would have loved to visit it. You obviously do not have the curiosity of a historian nor the spirit of an explorer.
>>12671778>actual Europeans didn't invent shitLaughable. You're just some coping shitskin.
>>12671819>specifically known because it was the only stone building found in Subsaharan AfricaHoly shit you're retarded. Horn of Africa has innumerable amounts of stone buildings, Swahili architecture also uses stone, and even Ashanti in west africa was noted to have stone buildings by explorers such as William Winwood ReadeEthiopia literally has entire buildings not built, but carved out of stone.
>>12671584>>12671596Meanwhile in reality...
>>12671870>ancient kingdom of aksum centuries upon centuries before islam was a thing
>>12671850>Laughable. You're just some coping shitskin.mad because no response LOLEuros couldn't even understand decimal places or the concept of zero without easterners. We all know what Europe would look like if not for the constant stream of knowledge fed to them from eastern peoples>>12671870Immeasurable cope from the cumskin
>>12671398>why are people so obsessed with timbuktu anyway? I personally like the architecture of the gulf of guinea a lot moreYou might have a point there.
>>12671885>muh reconstruction Europeans have a history of exaggerating and rewriting their history to make it look better.
>>12671843Here's an account of some dude who visited it after being fooled by the usual exaggerated accounts from faggot liar explorers (the same kind of faggots who claimed Benin City was great and shit)>afterwards I took a turn round the city. I found it neither so large nor so populous as I had expected. Its commerce is not so considerable as fame has reported. I saw in the streets of Timbuctoo only the camels, which had arrived from Cabra [Kabara] laden with the merchandise of the flotilla, a few groups of the inhabitants sitting on mats, conversing together, and Moors lying asleep in the shade before their doors. In a word everything had a dull appearance.
>>12671883Kek, the statue in your pic was literally made by Greeks.
>>12671734That's clearly the Great Mud Mosque™ of Djenne
>>12671811>Africa isn't some tiny continent, it makes no sense to build roads through deserts and jungles that stretch thousands of miles in all directions. No-one is suggesting they build roads for no fucking reason or in the middle of nowhere. Wheels are good for moving heavy objects with minimal effort. Roads would help facilitate the usage of wheeled vehicles, so even short stretches of roads in key areas could have been useful in certain areas of Africa. Other people saw the obvious use in adopting their usage. Why didn't SS Africans?>Europe's roads were built by Romans, along with their entire culture and civilization. There were roads in Europe before the Romans, albeit not as high quality, nor probably as durable as Roman roads. Romans didn't build Europe's 'entire culture and civilization' either. That's bullshit.>>12671815>Camels were more effective for traversing the sandy terrain of the Sahara.There's more terrain in Africa than just sandy deserts. Just because wheeled vehicles are no good in the desert doesn't mean they couldn't be used elsewhere.
>>12671885if you actually look at the details, the one on the left looks absolutely nothing like the pic on the right, beyond being circular
>>12671398>why are people so obsessed with timbuktu anyway?Because it was a "large" city, unlike the village the house you posted is from.There's a reason why there's no panoramic shots of Ashanti villages, it's because they were small as fuck.The only impressive thing was the details of the house, hence why only close up pics exist of them.
>>12671926>There's more terrain in Africa than just sandy desertsThe Sahara was West Africa’s route to the rest of the world
>>12671908>literally made by Greeks.Typical white cope. If it was made by greeks, we would have copper plate inscriptions saying so. Instead, we have copper plate inscriptions detailing an artist who was native to India. Oops, looks like cumskin myths are debunked yet again!Now are you going to tell me that pic related was painted by Greeks? Or Romans? I'd love to see you disprove 1500 year old plaques that actually clear up any bullshit about "greeks" building these things. Also, no comment about the other buildings in the picture? Interesting. >>12671926>Why didn't SS Africans?According to the paper posted here >>12671815 the Africans did have some roads but they were not very high quality or durable. so they were essentially pre Roman tier roads, which is what Europeans built too. >Romans didn't build Europe's 'entire culture and civilization' eitherLOL please do some real research on pre roman europe and compare that with any other place in the world. Romans absolutely created Europe as a continent and there is nothing you can do except cope. >>12671942>what is recency bias>posting the same jap cuck paper a million times as if Europe isn't going down the shitter as we speak>ignoring thousands of inventions coming out of Asia right nowIncredible cope
>>12671979Ugh, if only the black man had been clever enough to invent ships...
>>12671979>The Sahara was West Africa’s route to the rest of the worldWhy didn't they sail along the coast?
>>12671982>If it was made by greeks, we would have copper plate inscriptions saying sohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_arthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art
NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNow everyone can stop posting.
>>12671982>what is recency biasLmaoJust admit that the most decisive inventions were made recently and by wypipo.Before/During/After Ancient Egypt>main transporation mean = horse>distance communication = paper letters>depiction of reality = drawings and paintingsBefore/During/After Islamic Golden Age>main transporation mean = horse>distance communication = paper letters>depiction of reality = drawings and paintingsYear 1800 (beginning of Wypipo Golden Age)>main transporation mean = horse>distance communication = paper letters>depiction of reality = drawings and paintingsYear 2000 (end of Wypipo Golden Age)>main transporation mean = cars, trains, airplanes>distance communication = telephone, the internet>depiction of reality = photographs, movies, CGI...
>>12671997Another mythhttps://quatr.us/african-history/ships-sailing-ancient-africa-early-boats.htm>>12672047It was much more effective logistically at the to travel by land than sea. Ships back then were much more vulnerable to bad weather and were less reliable as a means of transport. Most trade routes in the medieval era were overland not nautical.
>>12672089This is true but it was a fluke, not a reflection of inherent European superiority. I still admire it in the same way I admire Roman civilization for being ahead of its times. Industrialization was also concentrated in very specific European countries, it’s not like Scandinavians or Slavs were inventing or discovering anything.
>>12671687Oh this cope again
>>12671428Do you forget the entire Swahili coast? You have seething chip on your shoulder
>>12671945>There's a reason why there's no panoramic shots of Ashanti villages, it's because they were small as fuck.Because the Ashanti weren't as well documented and most of the pics came after they got flushed.
>>12670788Yesterday saw unprecedented levels of simping for the Mud Mosque at Djenne. People were and still are desperate to prove that Sub-Saharan and Trans-Saharan Africa had meaningful contributions for some reason. Losing battle as far as I concerned.
>>12673271Come on TyroneWe said we don't talk bout arab achievements
>>12673310>ArabHoly shit the cope
>>12673336Tyrone be like "Zanzibar wasn't arabic I swer!!!"
>>12670788It has a funny name
>>12672230>This is true but it was a fluke, not a reflection of inherent European superiority
>>12673386I don’t understand how that’s Reddit. It’s just true. >>12673406Again, that isn’t even an opinion, it’s just true. Civilizations develop at different rates and with different features depending on the challenges they face. For thousands of years, Anglo-Saxons were dormant on their island. The Germanic people lived in huts in the middle of swamps. All while this was going on, China had one of the most complex and technologically advanced societies in the world. And Rome of course was the greatest civilization the world had ever seen. Romans looked down on Anglos and Germanics as inferior and primitive, and maybe they were at the time. They had no roads, they had no complex architecture, and they struggled to sustain agriculture. Was this because of their inherent inferiority? Of course not, the last half millennium of Anglo domination proves that incorrect. You seem to have a really naive way of viewing civilization.
>>12673444>For thousands of years, Anglo-Saxons were dormant on their island.Anglo-Saxons have only existed for around 1300 years.>Romans looked down on AnglosThey didn't say anything about 'Anglos'
>>12670788>Neolithic>uses metal tools
>>12673444It was this primitive behavior that led to their success. Britons and Anglo-Saxons were defiant and stubborn to a fault, as a result the middle classes accumulated more surplus to invest in their trades which assisted them as the industrial revolution took shape. At least relative to their peers in Europe.
>>12673449>Anglo-Saxons have only existed for around 1300 years.Yes that specific ethnic group, but their predecessors have lived on that island for much longer. The Anglo-Saxons are descendants of the people who used to inhabit Britannia and also some people who lived on the continent. >They didn't say anything about 'Anglos'Anglo is very broadly defined term, but to clarify I was reforming to the ancient English people that inhabited Britannia. There are multiple accounts recorded by Livy and other Roman historians regarding the Judeo-Claudian dynasty, which was the reign that saw Rome expand into Germania, the Gaul, and Britannia. The Romans’ perception of all of these groups was quite negative (i.e. Barbarians).I recommend you check out this documentary to get some more insight on what I’m talking about:https://youtu.be/AF4HJdsF3i0
>>12671687>east africa has west eurasian admixtureHe said the horn of Africa, not East Africa, fucking idiot. Besides, all of Africa has West Eurasian admixture, the Horners just have more of it. Considering that the 40% West Eurasian Somalis live in an incredibly shitty country while the less than 8% West Eurasian Nigerians and especially Ghanaians are shooting past them, maybe being admixed doesn't mean you'll automatically be successful.
>>12673479>paying attention to the daily African Bait Thread
>>12673495>clarify I was reforming*referring
>>12673495'Anglo' is a nonsense pejorative term that shouldn't be used in serious discussions.
>>12671833>Much of Africa was still paleolithic (yes, paleolithic) because the Bantus hadn't arrived yet or were still settling in back then, conquering pygmies and other isolated hunter-gatherersBantu people left Cameroon between 3,000-5,000 years ago, and by the time Europeans started to colonize larger sections of Africa, they had already arrived in East, lower Central, and Southern Africa.
>>12673499>>paying attention to the daily African Bait ThreadYou're right anon. Can someone post porn of black women already?
>>12673504It’s just a convenient term and the first word I could think of when I was writing my post. You know which group of people I was referring to though.
>>12673479https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_AfricaSome recent studies date the inception of iron metallurgy in Africa between 3,000 and 2,500 BCE. Evidence exists for earlier iron metallurgy in parts of Nigeria, Cameroon, and Central Africa, possibly from as early as around 2,000 BCE. Some evidence from historical linguistics suggests that the Nok culture of Nigeria may have practiced iron smelting from as early as 1000 BCE. The nearby Djenné-Djenno culture of the Niger Valley in Mali shows evidence of iron production from c. 250 BCE. The Bantu expansion spread the technology to Eastern and Southern Africa during c. 500 BCE to 400 CE, as shown in the Urewe culture of the Lake Victoria region.
>>12673495>There are multiple accounts recorded by Livy and other Roman historians regarding the Judeo-Claudian dynasty, which was the reign that saw Rome expand into Germania, the Gaul, and Britannia.You are mistaken. I have read these histories, and they do not mention such comments about the inhabitants of Britain, even though I specifically looked for such comments. You, like past me, have been tricked by the pop culture lie spread by that British novelist, who called his own work a miserable potboiler. It unfortunately has seeped into Oxford scholarship by some SJW perpetuating the lie.
>>12673523Ghana was patheticsThe "arabs" was refering to the carved church in Ethiopia
>>12673593Yes because Muslim Arabs are going to definitely help Christian Africans...
>>12673561Any counterpoints you can source?
>>12673561>You are mistaken. I have read these histories, and they do not mention such comments about the inhabitants of Britain, even though I specifically looked for such comments. You, like past me, have been tricked by the pop culture lie spread by that British novelist, who called his own work a miserable potboiler.I am not referring to the fake quotations that say that a Roman Caesar called them the “ugliest and most lazy people I have ever seen” or whatever it was. I’m saying that it is well documented that the Romans viewed these outside groups as primitive barbarians, and I know that is true. If you’re already familiar with Augustus, Arminius, and Claudius, then you should know enough from their commentary about this dynamic.
>>12673666That's the thing. Claudius never made such comments on them.
>>12673685I might be projecting stuff I’ve read about Germanic peoples onto the Britons but I’m almost certain I’ve seen similar comments about them.
>>12671324Ethiopia has amazing architecture. Granite structures carved straight into the ground. They are also covered in swastikas.
>>12673345Swahili's are Bantu and Zanzibar was a small island that was the ex capital of the Omani empire.
>>12670788African b8 is so low effort