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ITT we talk about IE spread, routes and early Vedics/PIE and their path from India to Anatolia and Russia
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>>12362798
the indo european were gracile
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>>12362801
That has nothing to do with this sir
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>>12362798
>Anus
Lmao
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>>12362798
I've seen people deny the Indo-European expansion from the Caucasus citing their origin in India, what are some of the arguments for this besides some type of Nationalist Indian cope. I've heard in the Indus Valley civilization the higher caste were depicted as light skinned and the lower as the darker natives. Like why would such a segmented caste system develop without a precious invasion and religious subjugation?
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>>12362848
Indo-Europeans expanded from India as the map states
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The region spanning eastern Romania and Ukraine all the way to East Turkestan used to be primarily ethnic Iranian. There were Iranian people in the Pannonian Basin as well.

The East Slavs migrated eastward from North-Central Europe beginning in Late Antiquity, and only conquered large parts of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe in the High Middle Ages, and then conquered Crimea from Turkic people in the late 1700s. It's during that 1500s to 1800s time period time that the Russian Empire conquered much of the country from the North Caucasus to Siberia.

The prior natives of Northwest Russia, the Baltics, and Scandinavia are Uralic peoples. The Finnish and Estonians still speak Uralic.
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>>12362890
Take meds
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>>12362848

Many of those same people also claim that Aryans and Dravidians are the same people. While I do believe they have genetic overlap today, they certainly didn't originate as the same people, and the former did indeed migrate into the region.

As for skin tone difference, it's pretty obvious that peoples from Inner Asia, especially nomadic peoples in a colder climate, are going to be lighter than people closer to the equator, especially sedentary people who are more exposed to the sun.
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>>12362892

Give pointers for what you disagree with. Instead of coming off like a tranny faggit.
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>>12363187
>/pol/ screenshot
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>>12363211
>so basically everyone who isn't a bangali Punjabi, rajput or kashmiri (ppl whose national identities precede India) is still coming to terms with this newfound feeling of national pride (no matter how misguided and pathetic)

This one is a good point I hadn't thought of. You could add South India into it as well, right?

The overwhelming majority of Hindu North-Indian peoples are scum.
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>>12362798
no comment
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>>12363245
Leave the thread Sir
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Dying.

Heart failing.

Blood.
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>>12362890
Indo Iranians didn’t exist at that time. They weren’t even Proto Indo Iranians. Proto Indo Iranians were sintashta and andronovo
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>>12363736

What time?
Did my post about Iranians give a timeline? I'm using them as an example of Indo-European people and migration.

This is how Eurasia looked before our current world. Iranians did indeed live in these regions: they were Sarmatians, Scythians, Saka, etc. Modern-day Ossetians and Mountain Tajiks are the last of the Inner Asian Iranians.

Russians and Han Chinese didn't fucking roam these lands since the beginning of time. There was a gradual shift of demographics since Late Antiquity.
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>>12362890
Dzungaria is not part of Eastern Turkestan.
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>>12362890
no one in Europe has ever been 50% Ganj.
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>>12362806
>sir
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>>12362798
>>12362890
Are the Indian schizo and the Iranian schizo about to argue? This is huge!
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Here's a server for those who'd like to discuss the actual history of Indo-European peoples and languages, in a place where wewuzzing and nationalist posturing are not tolerated.
CbTUTnJnuX
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>>12362848
How is it a cope if you point out how the research has been flawed from the beginning and needs to be questioned?

Is someone questioning race science in the early 20th century a cope? Is showing the lack of evidence for jesus cope?
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>>12366152
Is showing lack of evidence for unsubtantiated revisionism a cope?
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>>12364961
Tranny discord
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good morning, sirs.
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>>12362798
>ITT we talk about an imaginary thing that was made up by linguist reconstructionists
Might as well discuss the theory about Nazis having bases on the moon
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>>12362801
Huge retarded Copium
Reconstructions how they were super robust
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>>12366521
Nope they were gracile
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>>12366517
so are braindead tree branch swinging creatures like you just going to ignore blatant and obvious cognate words, not learned terms, basic every day words, spanning ancient Latium to ancient India?
how absolutely desperate are you pitiful brown nationalists?
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>>12362798
Nah
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>>12366554
Shut up Sir
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>>12366304
>Lack of evidence for revisionism

Just translation errors account for it anon, a historian has to overcome everything wrong about every source.
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>>12366521
Reconstructions don't matter when we have their skulls
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>>12366715
correct, and the skulls tell always the same history: robust proto-Europids
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>>12366721
>cromagnons
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>>12366304
>revisionism
People who claim OIT say the AIT is christian revisionism. Because it was proposed by people who though the earth was 6000 years old and nothing could be older or survive the supposed flood event.

Saying the current model was started on false premises which requires you to cherrypick parts of history with flawed methodology and racial bias is not a cope. It improves the way research is done.
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>>12366727
And also the evidence is plenty. It just needs proper funding and interest by academia for analysis.
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>>12366721
Sredny Stog skulls are nothing much
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There is not a single evidence for it. Not a SINGLE evidence for it.

It's a White supremacist theory. It was literally created by British judges and office workers in British Raj to further advance and justify European colonialism in Asia.
Today it is used by Europeans to steal the history of others and claim it as theirs.

There is no evidence that those languages and all civilizations on the continent came from a single language spoken by some pig-skinned blue eyed blonde haired monkeys.

Pray tell, how did Nordicks create so many languages, teach it to millions of people and travel around the world when they fucked dogs and lived in swamps 2500 years ago?

The theory has "European" at the end of its name because it wants to create the illusion that all languages came from Europe. What a coincidence that the theory was invented by Europeans.

These White supremacists insisted for a long time that the "yamnaya" corpse looked like a Nordic and that this corpse belonged to the people who were the original speakers of the imaginary language.
Through recent advancements in technology, scientists have discovered that the corpse belonged to someone who looked like a modern brown Armenian.

White supremacists are now backpedalling (like they always do) by insisting that another old corpse belonged to the original speakers of the imaginary language. Of course, how fucking convenient that they choosed the corpse which has been confirmed to have had "light eyes".

Some fun facts about this White supremacist theory:
The years are always changing by the million.
They've said that many old corpses looked like Nordick people but modern technology has reveaeled that those corpses either looked like Armenians or Persians.
Now they're desperately trying to find an old corpse with confirmed blue eyes and blonde hair so that they can say "this wuz le original indo euroepan, trust me dude".
At one point, they considered Finnish, Coptic, Chinese and Japanese to be "Indo-European".
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>>12367273
Caveman created those languages anon, and traveled the world discovered everything, came from aliens, etc.

Or any human population given enough time and resources can develop civilization and then an interlinked network of knowledge spreading done, by limited amount of people would put together a global culture of what we call humanity, a fucking feat for a bunch of gorillas.
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>>12366152
Eurotards are insignificant and culturally inferior to other civilizations and that's why they cope so much. This is the reason they constantly invent pseudoscientific trash and strongly believe in it. They condemn others who don't believe in their pseudoscientific bullshit by accusing them of "coping". Eurotards are miserable little monkeys.
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if there's any doubt for anyone that most "people" against the IE theory are driven by ressentiment for being completely conquered, humiliated and surpassed by Europeans, look no further than above, they have nothing actually to say about the theory except for petty little nationalistic cope
even more pathetic considering without a doubt many of these pitiful little turd skined monkeys are posting from western societies, as their parents had to "flee" those "Aryan™" countries that are so superior, cultured n sheit
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>>12367319
>ressentiment
*resentment

While I agree that nationalism and butthurt should be kept out of the discussion, why does no one discuss the actual technicalities of the IE descendants and proto-languages which give substance to this discussion? Why not discuss umlauts and Grimm’s Law instead of making another thread about muh Yamnaya, haploautism, and soijacks, do you ever get tired of yourselves? Ffs, here’s a book by Lyle Campbell on historical linguistics with plenty of IE examples:

http://tscheer.free.fr/scan/Campbell%2098%20-%20Historical%20Linguistics.%20An%20Introduction.pdf

Historical linguistics and the comparative method are fascinating fields, learn something new for a change instead of spouting the same talking points you goobers learn from smoothbrains who spam this place
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>>12367273
>What a coincidence that the theory was invented by Europeans.

It certainly is not a coincidence that linguistics, along with the rest of modern science, was invented in Europe and not in durka burka no sanitation shithole where your ancestors came from.
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>>12362798
DO NOT REDEEM SIR
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>>12368033
>*resentment
You aren't half as clever as you think you are
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>>12362798
Lith. gentys and Lat. gentes and Skt. jántis (tribes)
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>>12368093

Neither are you. My point still stands.
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>>12367319
Persians don't care I think, all the butthurt comes from either Indians or Anatolian Turks.
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>>12368173
I didn't even read the rest of your post
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>>12368191

Got it. Keep seething about inane drivel and learn nothing.
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>>12368033
>why does no one discuss the actual technicalities of the IE descendants and proto-languages which give substance to this discussion?
I'd be totally fine with that but none of these so called "people" have anything whatsoever to say about that, they reject it in the first place because the by far most supported theory about the spread of it since centuries at this point sees them as spreading through migration of an ancient east European people
discussion cannot be separated from genetics anymore since the latter field entered big time into the matter as it can show people X going to Y place with far more accuracy than comparing shreds from ancient pots

you have to direct your post towards these pitiful third word animals and their complexes of inferiority, seeing "nordicists" everywhere and ruining every discussion about the ancient world that deviates from their ex oriente lux prejudice, muh civilization, etc...
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>>12368033
Grimm's law is the coolest shit ever
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>>12368173
>>12368290

I’ll concede and admit my word correction was wrong, so we can continue with the main point I brought up.

Genetics considered, language can spread far faster than people, and in different ways. Even among prestige languages, loanwords and constructs from lesser-renowned languages can still affect them, just look at Sumerian and Akkadian. Genetics isn’t everything in that regard
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>>12362890
>East Turkestan
nice meme
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>>12368183
There's one critic of IE theory who is Galician and is still bitter about the supression of his language and culture during Francoism.
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How culturally & societally important was the distinction between loud and soft farts to the Indo-Europeans? Did the Vedics preserve this distinction? Other IE groups?
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>>12366355
? How do you mean?
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>>12366517
PIE plus the sound changes to modern languages is a model that predicts the reflexes in modern languages. It's as falsifiable as any other scientific theory. Look up the laryngeal theory and its confirmation with the discovery of Hittite writing.
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>>12366573
What does this have to do with anything? Alphabets are not languages. That said, I agree the IE Urheimat was not in India.
>>12368073
The funny thing is, ancient Indians actually had a fairly advanced grasp of grammar and phonology; see Panini. But I guess they haven't kept up in the meantime.
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Ah, its one of those threads where we have Indians claiming that the Proto-Indo-Europeans were brown.
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>>12368992
Why do Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks from the Peleponesse have Han admixture?
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>>12368992
And why do Italians from Calabria and Sicily have negro nilotic Dinka admixture?
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>>12369015
They don't, his model is just retarded
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>>12368992
And why do Sicilians have negrito Jarawa admixture.
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>>12368992

Like clockwork, haploniggers ruining a linguistics thread.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpCXiNL8F98
Listen to Chavda PIEs were Indian
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Anyone here read The Shape of Ancient Thought by McEvilley? Seems up you guys’ alley
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>>12368719
Perdžiau ir bezdėjau in my language. But they are more of a synonyms, not really loud or soft kind of thing, but roots were preserved.
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They were steppoids who were already swarthy from being in the sun even if naturally on a paler side and probably got mutted up by the time they reached India. Poos are just too insecure over this.
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>>12369092
Esu miela ir teisinga
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>>12369091
tell me more
>>12369109
papai arba gtfo
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>>12369121
Aš esu berniukas
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>>12369121

Two Worlds, One Philosophical Cradle:

Scholar Explores Hidden Kinship Between Eastern and Western Culture in Revolutionary Study;

In the Early Days, Ideas Traveled Freely Between India and Greece

A revolutionary study by the classical philologist and art historian Thomas McEvilley is about to challenge much of academia. In THE SHAPE OF ANCIENT THOUGHT, an empirical study of the roots of Western culture, the author argues that Eastern and Western civilizations have not always had separate, autonomous metaphysical schemes, but have mutually influenced each other over a long period of time. Examining ancient trade routes, imperialist movements, and migration currents, he shows how some of todays key philosophical ideas circulated and intermingled freely in the triangle between Greece, India, and Persia, leading to an intense metaphysical interchange between Greek and Indian cultures.

As the author explains it, "The records of caravan routes are like the philosophical stemmata of history, the trails of oral discourses moving through communities, of texts copied from texts. . . .What they reveal is not a structure of parallel straight linesone labeled Greece, another Persia, another Indiabut a tangled web in which an element in one culture often leads to elements in others."
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>>12369175

While scholars have sensed a philosophical kinship between Eastern and Western cultures for many decades, THE SHAPE OF ANCIENT THOUGHT is the first study to provide the empirical evidence. Covering a period ranging from 600 B.C. until the era of Neoplatonism and a geographical expanse reaching across the ancient world, McEvilley explores the key philosophical paradigms of these cultures, such as Monism, the doctrine of reincarnation in India and Egypt, and early Pluralism in Greece and India, to reveal striking similarities between the two metaphysical systems. Based on 30 years of intense intellectual inquiry and research and on hundreds of early historical, philosophical, spiritual, and Buddhist texts, the study offers a scope and an interdisciplinary perspective that has no equal in the scholarly world.

With a study like THE SHAPE OF ANCIENT THOUGHT, students and scholars of history, philosophy, cultural studies, and classics will find that their field has been put on entirely new footing. Yet as editor Bill Beckley points out, the merits of this work reach into a broader social context: "More recently, events have leant an unexpected urgency to the [book] by focusing the worlds attention on Afghanistan (ancient Bactria), where much of the story unfolds in this volume, and where the difficult karma of cross-cultural contacts is still alive."
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Did Vedic Sanskrit really come from Sintashta?
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>>12369051
Some Hindutva loons on social media like Abhijit Chavda and AgentSaffron claimed that Genghis Khan was fighting for polytheist dharma against "evil Abrahamics" like Muslims when many Mongols and Genghis Khan's relatives were Nestorian Christians. And he claimed Genghis was a dharmic warrior who did not want to invade India because it was Buddha's birthplace.

Genghis Khan committed genocide against the Tanguts who were 100% Buddhists, in the Xi (Western) Xia state. Genghis was Tengrist. He was not Buddhist.

His son in laws were Nestorian Mongols. The entire Naiman, Kerait and Ongud tribes among the Mongols were Nestorians and his sons and daughters married into the royal families of those tribes. Mongol Naiman general Kitbuqa (Kitbugha) Noyan was Nestorian and he led the Mongol conquest of the Middle East in the name of Christianity against the Abbasid caliphate.

These people are trying to fight internal culture wars in South Asia through rewriting other people's history.
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>>12369215
Another BS by him. Chavda used the Portuguese made EXONYM for the Chinese language known as Mandarin to claim that India is the origin of Chinese language.

In Mandarin itself, it's called Guanhua (official's speech) which is the endonym, it's never called Mandarin. The Portuguese borrowed from the Malays a Sanskrit word for official, Mantri and used it to refer to Guanhua since Guan and Mantri both mean official.

Chinese themselves never use the term Mandarin, it's purely an exonym.
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>>12362798
Why do Hindus eat humans?

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/294896142

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10205851

In 1993 Hindus in San Francisco, US worshipped a traffic barrier as a lingam (penis of the god Shiva)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVt739aKvlY

https://twitter.com/Joydas/status/1343776888875929602

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaram
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43889797
https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/25/asia/india-guru-rape-sentence-intl/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/india-guru-asaram-bapu-found-guilty-raping-teenage-girl
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/world/asia/india-guru-rape-araram-bapu.html

More than 30 killed in India riots over rapist 'guru'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlIqf-SEMKs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_by_yoga_gurus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dera_Sacha_Sauda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurmeet_Ram_Rahim_Singh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikram_Choudhury

https://twitter.com/canaragh/status/1343892183858950144

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charminar#Temple_Structure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagyalakshmi_temple

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/27707448/#27707448

https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/898126/#898488

5 year old Indian girls paraded naked to appease rain god

https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/924739/#q924739

India doctor sterilized 101 women, mostly indigenous tribals in one day.


There's a lot of racism against Adivasi tribals in India by upper castes. A tribal was lynched and got dragged to death by them.

https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/923022/#q923043

https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/917840/#921429
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>>12369215
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>>12362798
>IE expanding FROM india
lol cope more poo, the aryan invasion is real and there is nothing you can do about it
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>>12369215
>>12369231
Sir you are being racist to Indians you bitch
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>>12369298

Me, I like my Palki-ma at 11 AM local time for the morning news stream, simple as. Indian news is unironically better than Western shit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ClfEcfOBA
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>>12369316
I don't need your approval cuck
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>>12369347

I don’t need your ire to make my Palm-ma any more spicy either :)
Don’t worry, Israel will recognize your friendship with them soon enough :^)
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>>12369231
https://www.reddit.com/r/EXHINDU/comments/p5yb5y/forget_indus_valley_civilization_hindus_found/

Hindus can worship literally anything lol.

Some Hindus even worship a Bullet Baba (Om Banna); who apparently died in a road accident.

Have you guys heard about it?

Now people stop at the temple of that guy, to pray to him for a safe journey (that guy who couldn't save himself would save others haha), and even offer alcohol as a prasad lmao.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_Banna


https://www.reddit.com/r/EXHINDU/comments/qxwsxu/dr_br_ambedkar/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EXHINDU/comments/qzlef5/chintu_loves_gobar/
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>>12362848
The one thing they have is that there is no evidence of heavy non Indian admixture, but that overlooks that fact that these "invasions" were often more cultural then they were genetic. A civilization declines, barbarians sweep in, take a few positions near the top and everyone starts adopting large parts of their culture like language but the people themselves barely change. There are many cases like this.
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Good morning sirs
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>>12363861 #

And ancient Iranians didn't look like later ones or even later ones.
Persian empire mixed them with a vast area, and Islam later mixed them with a vast area.

This is the problem with identifying ancient populations with modern ones, or with specific borders.

The mongol hordes were less mongoloid (17th century term) too and mixed a huge region with east asian genetics giving the modern east asian phenotype blend.
Ghengis khan had red hair and green eyes and didnt look like a chinese person or a modern mongolian.
In fact red hair of the type seen in celtic and germanic people once was common across much of the asian continent, but being a recessive trait as african and other dark admixture came into play they became a tiny minority. Those regions wont have that look much longer due to modern immigration either.
A lot of Asia used to look like Europeans, but got blended over time.
Since many steppe people like scythians were red and blonde haired, and others along the PIE route, I think it is pretty obvious they were white European looking people that slowly browned as they mixed.
When they first settled the persian region they looked very different than after a persian empire blended with the people throughout the empire.
And even more different after Islam blended persians with arabs of the time that have african slave and concubine admixture.
So modern Iranians only partialy resemble early PIE people.
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>>12369448
Genghis Khan looked just like a modern Mongol
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>>12369029
Sicily was an Emirate once, and Arabs have been trading and assimilating slaves for centuries. Now put two and two together.
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>>12369485
Mongol Borjigin Khans ruling Northern Yuan like Dayan Khan had y Haplogroup C2c1a1a1-M407

Unless you're claiming Genghis Khan was cucked and the Northern Yuan Khans weren't real Borjigin then this is Genghis haplogroup

https://archive.is/fshdK

As discussed by Zakharov et al. [4] some studies have opposed the connection between C2*-ST and Genghis Khan [5,6,7,8,9,10]. The highest frequencies of C2*-ST were found in two populations of Kazakhs (Kerey-Abakh and Kerey-Ashmaily, 89.3% and 55.0%, respectively) [7]. Additionally, the Y haplotype of a direct descendant of Genghis Khan, Batu-Mungke Dayan Khan (1474–1517A.D., ruler of North Yuan Khanate) is C2c1a1a1-M407 based on the direct testing of his well-documented descendants [11]. In this study, we reanalyzed the whole sequences and Y-chromosome short tandem repeat (Y-STR) haplotypes of samples from a broader geographical scale to clarify the origin of C2*-ST and its connections with Genghis Khan and Mongol populations.

Since Genghis Khan was a member of the Niru’un clan (see Supplementary Fig. S2), it is possible that the Great Conqueror carried the Y-STR profile of C2*-ST. However, based on all available data in the literature and the results reported in this study [4,5,6,7,8,9,10], none of the donors who carried C2*-ST can trace their genealogy to Genghis Khan, and none of the self-claimed direct descendants of Genghis Khan carry C2*-ST. As shown in Batbayar et al. [11], a direct descendant of Genghis Khan, Dayan Khan, had a different Y-chromosome haplogroup (C2c1a1a1-M407).

This is different from the other star cluster C2 haplogroup (C2b1a3a1-F3796) which is common among Mongol, Kazakh and Hazara men. Pic related is C2b1a3a1-F3796 which you can see is strong in Kazakhs, Hazaras and Mongols

https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=humbiol_preprints

https://www.quora.com/Are-Kazakh-and-Karakalpak-the-same-language
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>>12369737
The person who claimed Genghis had red hair was a Persian Jew, Rashid al-din who was executed by the Mongols for attempting to poison a descendant of Genghis. Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai Khan who personally met him comissioned a portrait showing him as a Mongoloid with black eyes and no red hair

There's no proof Genghis Khan had r1b, all they tested were bodies of random men allegedly to be married to member of Genghis's descendants, not Genghis's body himself or any of his confirmed descendants. Kerei Khan was a descendant of Genghis Khan and his descendants, the Kerei clan in Kazakhstan are c3

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976058

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976277

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976319

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976064

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976067

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976211

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976043

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5979287

>The remains of all 5 bodies belong to the Mongoloid physical type and are believed to be possibly related to members of the Mongol "Golden Family", at around the time of Genghis Khan, although it is uncertain whether the Y-DNA haplogroup marker belongs to the Borijigin clan or the products of clan marriages between the female lineage of Genghis Khan's Borjigin clan and males of other clans/tribes from Mongolia or Central Asia.

>uncertain

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976294

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5976007/#q5976282

None of the Mongol Genghisid princes who ruled in Outer Mongolia until 1924, Inner Mongolia until 1949 and Kazakhstan until the 18th century had caucasian y dna or features.

Rashid al-din Hamdani the Persian Jew who white supremacists will quote but ignore his Jewishness or the fact that he was executed by Genghis's family for trying to poison them.
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Rashid al-din was executed for poisoning the Ilkhanid Öljaitü.

By the way, Rashid's same book says the Han Chinese Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) became son in law to Kublai Khan (by marrying a Mongol Borjigin princess) amd resided at the court of the Khan. He fathered Zhao Wanpu with the Mongol princess.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8287292/#q8294382

https://archived.moe/his/thread/7358719#p7359328

This is the same Rashid al-din's same book that neo Nazis and now a Pan Turkist loves citing.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8478725/#8481914
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R1b is barely 1% in all of East Asia, Mongolia and Siberia and Central Asia. Only Bashkirs have noticable R1b.

Meanwhile Hazaras are majority C2 and O while their mtdna is east Eurasian.

Buryat Mongols are C2 and the majority of other Mongols are C2 and O3. Mongols aren't paternally white. Mongolian language and paternal ancestry has nothing to do with Indo-Europeans. The actual R1a rape victims are Uyghurs.

Hazaras are paternally C2 majority and also have O3.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28734663

>The present study was undertaken to investigate mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region sequences of Hazaras from Pakistan, so as to generate mtDNA reference database for forensic casework in Pakistan and to analyze phylogenetic relationship of this particular ethnic group with geographically proximal populations. Complete mtDNA control region (nt 16024-576) sequences were generated through Sanger Sequencing for 319 Hazara individuals from Quetta, Baluchistan. The population sample set showed a total of 189 distinct haplotypes, belonging mainly to West Eurasian (51.72%), East & Southeast Asian (29.78%) and South Asian (18.50%) haplogroups. Compared with other populations from Pakistan, the Hazara population had a relatively high haplotype diversity (0.9945) and a lower random match probability (0.0085). The dataset has been incorporated into EMPOP database under accession number EMP00680. The data herein comprises the largest, and likely most thoroughly examined, control region mtDNA dataset from Hazaras of Pakistan.
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