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Britain and Germany should have allied in WW1 against the French. France is a historic enemy of the English, whereas Germany are ethnic cousins and align much more with British interests. Britain and Germany could have ruled Europe together, prevented WW2 from happening, and crushed the Frog menace for good. The world today would be infinitely better if this happened.
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>>12361195
what about the High Seas Fleet
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>>12361195
Agreed. France's culture is so shit and disgusting I hope Britain and Germany ally with each other this time and attack the frogs.
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>>12361195
all you have is that they were historic enemies? That doesn't mean shit when their relations at the time were good. And how was Germany seeking european hegemony and trying to become a major colonial power in Britain's interests?
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>muh historical enemies
>muh ethnic brothers
>muh two powerful countries ruling together

Bird brain post
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>>12361195
Alfred Thayer Mahan Lobbied for pic related. Imagine …
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>>12361195
French and British almost went to war after the Fashoda Incident. If Germany had just been cool.
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>>12361195
Germany is forever buttmad that they lost the colonial race, they were too wary of british imperialism to ally with them or even teach english in schools.
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>>12361316
what would be the difference between britain being allied to germany instead of france
france was a much larger colonial power than germany
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>>12361195
This is true. In fact, Germany and Britain were allies until the late 1800s. The British army hired many German mercenaries to fight the colonial traitors in the (((revolutionary))) war. The French, on the other hand, supported the revolutionaries. French liberalism was always just proto-Marxism.
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>>12361850
Exactly
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>FRANCE BAD!
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>>12361195
Should they have? The only nation threatening Britain's naval supremacy doctrine so deliberately was Germany, I mean look at Tirpitz's plan. His plan was essentially to force the British to ally with Germany by threatening them and naturally this pushed Britain away from Germany.

Don't forget, the Entente were not allies France and Russia were but not Britain. The name entente comes from the entente cordiale between Britain and France which for the most solved all the disputes between each other. Hence why Britain did not go to war for France rather they want to war for Belgium, though imo I think Britain was going to be dragged into that conflict one way or the other I just don't see Britain allowing France and Russia to be defeated by Germany and Austria Hungary since that would threaten it's balance of power doctrine.
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>>12361195
Why would they have been allies?
British neutrality in the war I can at least see if I squint really hard but what use would they be to each other as "allies"? What benefit would Britain gain from Germany winning war?

The whole "historical enemies" arrative is always such baseless bollocks in the face of contemporary situations.
Germany was seeking to overthrow the balance of power heavily in their favor on the continent. Had they succeeded, Germany would be nothing but a geopolitical rival to Britain, now with larger portion of Europes potential industry behind them than France or Russia could ever muster separately. Both Germany and Britain would only benefit in submission of the other and had Germany won, theyd had the starting ground to eclipse Britain and start competing for various spheres around the world.
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>>12361850
Retarded take, French Liberalism was nothing like proto Marxism it was more or less the same as Liberalism everywhere including in Britain just more radical for a certain amount of time. Besides at the time of WW1 politically France and Britain and much more in common than either did with the Kaiser's authoritarian and in some ways semi feudal government.
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>>12361984
>Kaiser's authoritarian and in some ways semi feudal government.
So you agree that Germany was based then.
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>>12361995
Go live in an authoritarian country then
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>>12362029
What is modern America under Democrats?
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>>12361983
France was Britain primary colonial rival and almost went to war with them over Sudan. Same with Russia in Asia.
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>>12361334
>America joining the eternal Anglo against it's historical bro France and current bro Russia
Cursed
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>>12361195
What's wrong with the french? They're certainly more bearable than bongs and krauts
t.canadian (french)
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>>12361195
then Germany would dominate the mainland
Britain allied with the French because they were much weaker and easier to control
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>>12361195
The only rules of Britain's foreign policy at the time were:
>we don't like big navies
>we don't like big continental empires in europe
Of course they were going to oppose Germany
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>>12361819
Germany would just dominate continental Europe and with that it could threaten the bongs later. France did not have the potential to do that. Their army was weaker than Germany's and their fleet was weaker than Britain's.

Fast forward 20 years of peace and it would be reasonable for Britain to ally with Germany against France and rapidly developing Russia.
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>>12362301
And had Germany won Britain would be forced to cross horns with a much more powerful foe than either of those two.
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>>12361334
>US-British-German-Japanese alliance
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>>12362475
Germany wasn’t even that concerned with colonies.
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>people still don't understand divide and conquer

I bet you people are baffled about the US supporting the USSR against Germany as well.
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France should have allied with Austria to destroy Italy.
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>>12361819
better the devil you know
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broke: germany and britain should've teamed up
woke: germany and russia should've teamed up
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>>12362738
I can’t believe we didn’t get an anti-British league.
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Isn't it funny how any chance of an european nation (Spain, France, HRE-Austria, France, France, Russia, Germany, Germany) becoming a global superpower capable of competing with the US was forever ruined by the british obsession with "balance of power"?
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>>12362122
A plutocracy- the same as it has been for the last 200 years.
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>>12361195
Cope, Hans. You are the enemy of Europe and of all civilization
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>>12362497
They should have been, instead of squabbling with their HRE. By the time they turned into a proper state, half the world was speaking English/Spanish/French and all they could do to compete was a war.
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>>12362903
Well with Brexit over and done with the Germans are now the main opponents to a more united EU as they benefit the most from having a monetary union without a fiscal union.
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>>12361924
He's right
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>>12363364
He's a faggot
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>>12363169
Wish there was a place to talk about this stuff that wasn't /Pol/.
Normie discourse on Europe and global politics generally is so incredibly braindead, and /Pol/ is too full of noise.
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>>12361195
France and Germany should have allied in WW1 against the British.
Fuck Britain.
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The whole point of WW1 was that the French, the Brits and the Russians hated that Germany was the most industrialized nation on earth and was technologically and economically overtaking them despite the former's enormous resources and global land mass.
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>>12361195
Germany, through pure population and industrial potential, had already eclipsed France as the primary power of the continent. Britain's goal had always been to PREVENT one power from dominating the continent, because once the continent is dominated, it becomes much more feasible to dominate the Isles, too.
The Franco-British alliance was a natural result of centuries of British foreign policy.
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>>12361195
Redpilled.
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>>12363435
There isn’t a single great power country who didn’t have a grievance with Britain.
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>>12361995
based if you loved lick boot and pay taxes
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>>12363459
lmao anon
if anything it was opposite
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>>12361195
Never would have happened. Most of the leading political and bureaucratic figures of Bongistan loathed the Germans and saw them as less than human for the ghastly and unthinkable crime of having better economic production that was beginning to surpass them.
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>>12362406
Britain's foreign policy can basically be summed up as believing that only they had the right to rule the world and anyone who disagreed or even vaguely threatened it was a subhuman mongrel and Satan incarnate.
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>>12361195
If France sperged out and attacked Belgium out of nowhere the British would have declared war in France. Buy France was not the country that did that.
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Reminder never in history has Germany or its predecessor states ever declared war on Britain
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>>12361195
You guys would've wound up feuding with both the Russians and the Americans.

Based.
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>>12362903
Perfidious Albion will always intervene to stop a strong Continental Europe.
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>>12361964
>His plan was essentially to force the British to ally with Germany by threatening them
It still blows my mind that this was literally the German plan. They genuinely thought that the best way to get Britain to back off was to intimidate them. Can you imagine how autistic you have to be to come up with a plan like that? And they genuinely thought they could do this *by building a fleet*.

At the time Britain was the world's greatest naval power by such a wide margin they could conceivably have fought every other navy on Earth and won. The British are essentially crocodiles - awkward and slow on land, streamlined super-predators in the water. The German plan to scare them off was essentially to put on boxing gloves, wade into the water and challenge them to fisticuffs.

They also apparently forgot that although not at their best on land, crocodiles still have a very powerful bite.
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>>12362903
I mean, that was their express intention.

Why the fuck would the Brits want a European country as a global superpower instead of the US? Obviously Britain would have preferred it if they'd remained top dog, but since that wasn't possible, having an English-speaking former colony as the world's greatest superpower clearly offers them more advantages than a non-English-speaking former adversary.

That's why Britain's membership of the EU was always a stupid idea. The EU has always low-key been an effort to form a French-led superpower capable of challenging American domination, which is completely counter to British interests. The fact that the French didn't account for German reunification and it's now going to be a German-led superpower doesn't really change much from Britain's point of view.

>>12363169
Except their new progressive Chancellor is now talking about full Anschluss - sorry, 'further EU integration'
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>>12362903
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>>12361195
Lol. The entire point of British policy was to prevent the rise of a continental superpower and keep it divided. They built coalitions against France as long as France was the number one power on the continent. After 1870 the German empire became number one. They also had the idea to challenge Britain's naval supremacy. So Britain built coalitions against them.
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>>12363459
Too bad it's actually Germany that declared WW to everyone.
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>>12361850
Liberalism is proto-marxism since the English invented it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers
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>>12361302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE1Kt8dY7z4
Here's your anglo-saxon protestant culture bro.
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>>12366181
cope seethe dilate europoor
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>>12361195
>UK should've ruined their historic strategy of maintaining the balance of power because muh epic grossgermanium
"No"
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>>12361334
>dude just carve literal straight lines through asia
what the fuck is wrong with these autists, why was this believed to be even vaguely reasonable
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>>12361195
never make pacts with the eternal anglo
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>>12361195
yes
shouldn't have gone to war against France, neither Germany nor Britain had to gain much from weakening France, France was fine as it was
Germany and Britain should've (peacefully) partitioned the colonies of bankrupt Portugal in Africa, Germany should've let Britain build the Cape to Cairo railway through Tanganyika, in return Britain would let Germany build the Berlin-Baghdad railway
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>>12361924
>
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>France makes overtures to Germany several times before and Fashoda incident
>Germany freezes and botches the whole thing because "muh dirty republicans"

>Britain makes several overtures to Germany at the tail-end of the 1800s and early 1900s
>Germany freezes and lets their autism ruin the whole thing
Anybody who feels bad for Germany getting spitroasted by France and Russia doesn't realize how much they deserve it
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>>12366894
Holy fucking based.
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>>12362903
France are the ones who slew the Habsburg beast though (so only real chance at Spain or Austrian hegemony over the continent). Don't give Britain credit for that when they were barely even a nation at the time.
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>>12366945
>Spain
The English crown gave invaluable support to the Dutch during the Eighty Years' War (a conflict which bleed the Spanish treasury dry).

>HRE-Austria
England did send some mercenaries to fight against the imperial forces during the Thirty Years' war and gave minor financing to the protestant side but you are right that French support (e.g. greatly financing Sweden and their direct intervention later on) was the main reason the HRE forever failed to become more centralized under Austria, my bad.
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>>12366329
It’s a vague sphere of influence, not a literal border.
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>>12366921
>France makes overtures to Germany several times before and Fashoda incident
>Germany freezes and botches the whole thing because "muh dirty republicans"

>Britain makes several overtures to Germany at the tail-end of the 1800s and early 1900s
>Germany freezes and lets their autism ruin the whole thing
source? not saying you're wrong, just interested, haven't read about that yet
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>>12361195
sure, if only someone didn't chimping out at belgium...
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>>12366200
>>12363485
This. The Anglo has always been the enemy of Europe.
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>>12363459
>Germany was the most industrialized nation
That's Britain you fucking retard.
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>>12365565
Poltranny cope
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>>12367087
Not so much an enemy of europe, just a friend of itself. If there was no dangers in letting neighbours get powerful, I dont think they'd have given a shit. Its not a vendetta, just geopolitics
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Uh oh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Telegraph_Affair
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>>12366329
What's wrong with that?
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>>12363082
They preferred industry to plantations.
Germany pre-WW1 was doing great economically and in terms of coming up with new inventions.
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>>12367379
Industry can't do shit without resources
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>>12366247
That's American (judeo-negro) culture.
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>>12367392
Yes and you can trade for resources.
You don't need every single resource within your borders.
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>>12361195
Spain and France should have allied in the Peninsular War against the British. Britain is a historic enemy of the Spanish, whereas France are ethnic cousins and align much more with Spanish interests. Spain and France could have ruled Europe together, prevented WW1 from happening, and crushed the Bong menace for good. The world today would be infinitely better if this happened.
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>>12367422
And guess what happens when the person you're trading with just decides to steal/copy your tech or buy your scientists?

Happened then and is happening now.
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>>12367392
Industry main resources in those days were coal and iron and there was more than enough of that in Germany.
Colonial resources were completely accessory.
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>>12366894
To be honest this shit comes from a Swiss think tank
"Conflit France" is a news twitter account that merely talked about their shit

https://today.in-24.com/technology/607383.html
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>>12367456
Then how do you explain countries like Switzerland?
There is more to wealth than just harvesting resources in Africa.
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>>12366329
Mahan was also the autist who came up with the term "Middle East".
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>>12367499
Switzerland never had imperial aspirations like the Germans/HRE. Germans didn't get involved in colonialism and then cried when they were no longer the big dog of Europe.
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>>12367462
You're forgetting cheap/slave labor which even to this very day is instrumental to imperialism.
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>>12367574
Slavery was banned and industries were manned by native europeans. Colonial workforce was completely useless, that's why Germany had no problem being competitive without colonies.
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>>12367590
Slavery was banned quite late and cheap cruel labor still exists.

Colonial workforce was instrumental in mining and agriculture, and even industry when factories got more advanced.
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>>12365694
>Except their new progressive Chancellor is now talking about full Anschluss - sorry, 'further EU integration'
The new chancellor has basically zero support and zero goodwill from anyone, and his entire party is perceived by everyone in Brussels, Paris and pretty much everywhere else as a bunch of clowns. For fuck's sake, the first thing they announced after their new government was confirmed was that they'd legalize weed.
With Merkel gone and Germany going full retard, nothing is stopping France from taking leadership of the EU for the next decade or so, which is exactly what Macron was groomed for in the first place. Look up the ongoing palace coup against Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels : she's going to get booted out of her seat as head of the European Commission and replaced by a pro-French guy because she was Merkel's pet and now Merkel is gone.
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>>12367611
Slavery was banned since the middle of the19th century, something that never occured in the history of humanity before.
Colonial workforce was useless and anyway only employed in colonial infrastructure works (themselves money sink).
Again the fact is there that german or italian industry were competitive while having no colonies debunks those silly marxist claims about imperialism. Marxists don't understand economy.
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>>12367611
Yes and Germany didn't need any of those things.
Stop being so thick.
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>>12367194
The Anglo has worked against powerful entities around the world. They were backing the Confederacy, they backed regionalists across Latin-America and even plotted for a split up of Brazil, they chopped up Persia, they are the kings of divide and conquer.
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>>12367615
>nothing is stopping France from taking leadership of the EU for the next decade or so
Except for the fact that their economy is significantly smaller. The EU only has the leverage it does because it has Germany's money behind it. Take the money away, and smaller states in south and eastern Europe suddenly have a lot less incentive to cooperate. France doesn't have the resources to play the game in the same way Merkel did.
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>>12368347
>They were backing the Confederacy
No they didn't.

>even plotted for a split up of Brazil
Source? I could believe this, but I could also believe that this is Brazilian propaganda designed to make a group of revolutionaries look like foreign tools.

>they chopped up Persia
Almost all of Iran's territorial losses were to Russia, with local rebellions a major contributing factor.

Because Britain was the most powerful European country before the rise of America, Britain gets blamed for just about everything that happened before WW2, like America does now. If local rebels with a centuries old grievance did 99% of the work but the British consul supplied a few crates of rifles, it gets called a British plot to dismantle the state and play divide and rule.
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>>12361195
>whereas Germany are ethnic cousins
not even gonna bother reading the rest of your post you're clearly retarded
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>>12369244
>Because Britain was the most powerful European country before the rise of America
Not even.
Both France and Germany or even Austria were stronger
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>>12367046
I'll get back to you when I get off work. Most of it can be found in Christopher Clark's book, where he describes that France and Britain's (among others) interests were not always so static as to alienate Germany, and would have actually been quite happy to cozy up to some degree with the Germans 10 and 20 years before the war.

The alliances of 1914 were strange, and full of contradictions (republican France with autocratic Russia, Russia in Britain in the same alliance despite enmities in Asia) and were not really set in stone.
All in all, there was no grand conspiracy against Germany. Germany just played the diplomatic game very poorly.
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>>12361924
There’s literally no argument that France is good after the French Revolution fucked everything up
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>>12362309
Americans hate the French and mock them constantly, it’s part of our Anglo heritage
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>>12369359
>nooo I want to live under feudal communism, I hate the french revolution
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>>12369430
>based retard knows nothing of the Paris commune which is what influenced Marx and his retarded ideas in the first place
Frogs are vile creatures
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>>12369430
>conflating feudalism with communism
Amerifat moment
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>>12369544
>Paris commune is the same thing as the French revolution
American moment.

>>12369549
I'm French retard. The French revolution was based notaries, lawyers, merchants taking down state-protected guilds and state monopolies for various industries.

So trimming the fat from a bloated state and bringing forth fair competition (i.e. anticommunist).
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>>12369359
Stop with this pseudo-subversive bullshit you sound like an edgy teenager.
France was, is, and will be the protagonist of history.
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>>12369244
There were tons of short lived secessionist movements in Brazil and British were always involved. Though they usually sided with Brazil at the end of them all.
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>>12369612
>middle class ladder climbing merchoids
>based
Reminder that everybody hates you. This is a world which is fought over by aristochads and prolechads, you're just living in it, either managing the affairs of the aristochads or getting dumped in a pit by prolechads. Petty bourgeois managerialcucks are the most cringe historical actors.
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>>12369659
>noooo I'm an aristocrat I swear, look at this genealogical study I had commissioned that says I'm the descendant of Henry II of England and also here is my family heraldry I created :)
I take it you're prole then?
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>>12369544
Ah yes Marx, who wrote his magnum opus by 1867, was influenced by the Paris commune of 1871.
Daily reminder btw than Anglos are the inventor of communism (and of all modern egalitarian ideas for that matter) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers
No wonder they end up in wokeism.
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>>12369638
>British were always involved
>involved
Involved is such a broad term as to be almost meaningless. Were the British actively instigating civil wars, supporting naturally occurring civil wars, or just hedging their bets and trying to maintain good relations with all potential sides? Were they dedicating serious resources to influencing the outcome, or was it just a crate of rifles and a note saying 'good luck, hope you remember us if you win'.
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>>12369273
>Both France and Germany or even Austria were stronger
>France
>Austria

You can make a case for Germany being stronger than the UK from about the 1890s (although comparing a land-based power vs. a sea-base power is difficult), but France and Austria were clearly no match for Britain either economically or militarily.
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>>12371415
Britain hadn't a top land army, it didn't even have a permanent conscription. There's a reason Britain is always a coalition builder and never go to war alone in the continent.
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>>12371415
The French army in WW1 is painfully underrated. It was a model of discipline and efficiency, and managed to rout the Germans at the Marne, effectively ending the Schlieffen Plan, while the Russians were getting utterly smashed on the Eastern Front (Tannenberg). You should read Rudyard Kipling's account on the state of the Western front.
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>>12362490
>>12361334
We would've been colonising stars by now
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>>12361195
>France is a historic enemy of the English
By late 19th century nobody gave a shit about "historic reasons", it was realpolitic and imperial self-interests.
>whereas Germany are ethnic cousins
Only germans themselves gave a shit about that as a pathetic cope, Brits didn't give two shits about "muh ethnic brotherhood"
>align much more with British interests
Lmao wut?
How the fuck is making one power dominate entire mainland europe and threatening their trade, maritine power and interests etc. in any fucking way "align much more".
Whatever power what to hold monopoly in entire Europe or have threaten British navy, be it French, Germans, Russians etc. They would be enemy of Britain.

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up, dumb krautoboo.
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>>12362903
>small island that is threatenned by big power on mainland, is doing everything they can to prevent it from forming.
Gee, i wonder why they would do that...



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