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DNA from ancient Greece only has haplogroups G2a and J2 but in modern Greece the most common haplogroup is E-V13. How did this happen? Were there many migrations to Greece after the classical antiquity?
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>>12360617
I suffer from profound mental retardation
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>>12360617
People migrated from Balkans into Greece all the time
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Greeks are rapebabies. The greeks in the old texts are not the same as moderns.
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they are mostly Slavic+Syrian-Anatolian, of course the Y-DNA profile is all over the place
and the info about ancient Greeks is hardly that established, it's only two Y DNAs, one of which isn't even from mainland Greece, both J2a but not even particularly close subclades which were present in local Minoans already anyway and doesn't tell us the actual Y DNA profile of the invading Hellenes
hopefully the MBA-LBA Greece paper that is supposedly coming will make things clearer
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>>12360661
How come they have so much E-V13 if they're Slavic and Syrian?
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>>12360672
because E-V13 was a pre-Slavic Balkan lineage that got incorporated in the formation of the medieval balkan genepool i.e it arrived in Greece likely alongside other Slavic related lineages like R1a and I2a, though it's possible it was already spreading around in the pre-Slavic, late antiquity period by itself
as you can see from the map Greeks aren't special, all southern Balkans have significant frequencies of this lineages, even Italy which from better ancient DNA coverage we know had a very minuscule to 0% frequency of it in antiquity
needless to say, I'm not saying "Slavic" as in Polish, I mean Balkan Slavs
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>>12360694
Which were the haplogroups of classical antiquity Greeks? J2 and G2a?
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>>12360617
E-V13 is from the Israelite tribe of Dan(aus).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_(son_of_Jacob)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaeans_(Homer)
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>>12360617
You should wait for more samples. Greece is undersampled. It's possible that ancient Greeks already had V13.
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>>12360704
the only direct clue about classical antiquity Y DNA is a single sample from Spain which resembles LBA mainland samples from Greece, called "Aegean BA", and carried some J2a which unexpectedly was already present in Minoans/Cycladic people(two Minoans from ~2000BC carried J2a1a1a2b1b2 already like this sample from Empuries), indicating some degree of continuity since the bronze age of the largely Minoan-like people of the LBA
hence I do think it's possible to see also continuity of some G2a, but the interesting part should be about the Y DNA brought by actual Hellenes, could be R1b-Z2103, R1b-L51, but also that one Balkan specific J2b2 or something else picked up in the Balkans
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>>12360694
>>12360661
E-V13 has been found in ancient Scythian, Thracian, and Illyrian sites. It is pre-Slavic and likely came south with either the Macedonians or the Dorian invasion.
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>>12360758
When is more samples coming
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>>12360656
>source: my ass
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>>12360820
Didn't read the OP?
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>>12360835
E-V13, which 22% of Greeks have, could also have been in ancient times.
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>>12360852
It has not been found there
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>>12360863
We have few samples today.
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>>12360871
They will not be found there
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>>12360761
So Greeks don't have any haplogroups from Turks?
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>>12360903
Yes, they have only balkan and slavic haplogroups
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It's easy.

Ancient greeks = J2/J1, G2a
Illyrians/Albanians = E1b1b
Slavs = R1a/R1b
Modern greeks = J2/J1, G2a, E1b1b, R1a/R1b

Many slavs and albanians mixed with hellenics.
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>>12360913
What about J2 and G2a
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>>12360761
>but the interesting part should be about the Y DNA brought by actual Hellenes, could be R1b-Z2103, R1b-L51

Source?
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>>12360938
Native greek haplogroups
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>>12360943
Logic
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>>12360934
No the Slavs invading south mostly had I2 and R1a and Illyrians were J2
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>>12360793
until recently I could've said the same, but the conspicuous lack of E-V13 in ancient samples from Italy and nearby areas until much later is making me kinda doubt it, even in the Imperial samples from Italy the first V13 only pops up in 500AD, I'm not exactly sure how south it was until late antiquity
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>>12360952
So none. For now hellenes are j2, we'll see if that's the case with the new papers
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>>12360962
Earliest E-V13 in Italy.

Target: ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38
Distance: 1.3675% / 0.01367537
27.2 Levant_LBN_MA !!!!!!!!!!!
12.0 GRC_N
10.6 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o !!!!!!!!!!!
8.8 GEO_CHG
8.8 SVK_Poprad_MA
6.8 DEU_LBK_KD
6.4 TUR_Ovaoren_EBA
6.2 VK2020_Wales_Anglesey_VA
3.6 Levant_PPNC !!!!!!!!!!!
2.4 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
2.2 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
1.6 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res
1.0 PER_LaGalgada_4100BP
1.0 TUR_Kumtepe_N_low_res
0.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
0.6 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA_o
0.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine
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>>12360943
these are the two main lineages of western Indo-Europeans, particularly centum related speakers
R1b-Z2103 makes the most sense both considering possible ancestral cultures to Hellenes like Catacomb/Multicordoned ware as well as a rumored such sample from a shaft grave male
in fact the presence of R1b in ancient Greece should be confirmed by some samples which are being kept kinda secret but were mentioned in one Youtube video by a Greek geneticist, maybe someone has still the link, there was a table mentioning IIRC classical era R1b, though undetermined
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>>12360976
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107 should be even earlier to around 500AD vs CL38 dated around 600
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>>12360979
>makes the most sense
>some samples which are being kept kinda secret
Anon I...
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>>12360994
that's how it is, not every sample analyzed has been already published to the public in actual studies, if I can find that video I'll post it
it makes sense given all the current evidence, which obviously makes lots of people butthurt who are expecting Greece to be the exception to the rule
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>>12360963
>>12360952
>>12360943
They are J2.
The only mycenaean sample we got is J2.
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>>12360979
R-L21 can not all have been IE speaking because Etruscans were 85% L21 and Basques have like 95%.
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>>12361001
wait, I actually found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKZKoH4yv0
go to minute 15:20, look at the table, fifth row, R1b1 from ancient Ambracia, dated to 470-30BC
these samples haven't been published yet, but they exist in some lab
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Also Iberian bell beakers spoke Iberian pre-IE languages and were 99% R1b
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>>12361022
irrelevant exceptions to the rule, Italics and Celts were too heavy R1b-L51 and were IE speakers, and Etruscan is considered IE influenced at least
>>12361028
not true, there are traces of pre-Celtic IE languages in Iberians like Lusitanian and related dialects, not all pre-Celt Iberia was non-IE
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>>12361032
>and Etruscan is considered IE influenced at least
Because they lived next to IE speakers. You can not say that all L21 spoke IE because now we know that they did not.
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What do we think of these Minoan and Mycenaean samples?
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Haplotrannyism is a mental illness
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>>12360976
Why use so many different ancients to model him?
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>>12361110
This is about ancient migrations to Greece
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Even I as a Greek know that there are a shit on of slavic place names in the Pelloponese and Macedonia.

Slavs were a barbarian pagan people and were for a long time occupying greek regions during the dark ages. Once they became Orthodox they became greek and were assimilated. The same thing happened with the alabanian populations after the greek revolutions.

Greeks have absorbed many foreign populations in the past and in the present. There are whole anthropological and historical works on the process of hellinization.

The point is that Albanians and Slavs are our cousins and we should unite and fight the common threat that is the eternal T*rk.
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>>12360987
Target: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107
Distance: 1.3574% / 0.01357384
>19.0 Levant_PPNB_contam
16.4 UKR_Cimmerian_o
14.8 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
11.8 ITA_Sicily_LBA
8.2 HUN_Sopot_LN
7.6 UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA
7.2 FRA_Hauts_De_France_LN
4.2 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
3.4 FRA_Grand_Est_EBA_o
2.6 UKR_N_o
2.4 TUR_Kumtepe_N
1.8 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.2 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
>0.2 MAR_EN
0.2 VUT_2300BP_all
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>>12360617
ancient greeks were swarthy meds
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Target: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107
Distance: 1.9549% / 0.01954943

56.4 Early_European_Farmer
26.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
8.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
6.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
1.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.0 Ancient_Dravidian


You guys oversample the shit out of the models you're using. Yeah it gives a better distance fit for several reasons but there is no need to use it. Just stick to the basic reference samples and you get a better idea about their genetic composition.

Ancient Greeks btw (Minoans) didn't carry any Steppe at all nor did they carry R1b/a.
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>>12361202
minoans are ancient cretese
the first actual ancient greeks are myceneans and they are 10% steppe
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>>12361189
No one denied it.
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>>12361211

Yes they had around 13% Steppe ancestry which means they cucked the Indo-Europeans because they didn't carry IE y-DNA (r1b/a).
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>>12361202
>merelt 8.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
>E1b1b
Your model simply doesn't make sense.
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>>12361240
we don't have much samples and only from southern greece, it's possible that northern myceneans could have some r1

it doesn't matter to me because those people with a bit more steppe were still shitskins
modern north greeks are something like 35% steppe and they are shitskins
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>>12361251
e-v13 likely doesn't come from levantines
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>>12361251
E-V13 has nothing to do with early levantine farmers at that timeframe, its ancestor L618 arond 6000BC was already in Cardial samples from the Balkans which were indistinguishable from other EEF
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>>12361044
I think either they were either from Anatolia or they weren't really the first Greek speakers, maybe they were ancestrally consolidated from earlier MBA Greeks and Minoan related mainland natives and maybe some newbies as well and were just the first to write Greek down.
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>>12361212
The noble hellenes were nordic
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>>12361303
the myceneans were swarthy greeks
you could make an argument that the swarthy minoans were not really greek and represented only the island of crete and some smaller islands in the archipelago
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>>12361044
Also using Anatolia_N there is misleading
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>>12361305
hellenes were shitskins
modern greeks are unironically whiter
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>>12361264
not 35%
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>>12361044
Why didn't they use Greece_N? Hm?
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>>12361314
Nigga couldn't care even a little about swarth non-swarth.
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>>12361329
So modern Greeks have 29% steppe in the north and less in the south. That means ancient Greeks has less than one third of their steppe ancestry? How did it change so much?
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E-V13 is an Urnfield haplogroup me thinks
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>>12361329
it depends on the north greek sample used
some north greeks are indeed 35% steppe while being shitskinned
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>>12361361
>shitskinned
Define this. Also who cares. Even steppes themselves were darker than modern Greeks so why do you insult.
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Why do Greeks have almost 0% WHG? How did that happen? Is it just geography?
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>>12361240
Almost everyone did that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Greek_substrate
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>>12361378
it's not really 0% because some whg is in the steppe (steppe is part ehg that is part whg)
but they generally have low whg even for south european standards

central-north italians and iberians have less steppe but more whg and a similar amount of anatolian farmer
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>>12361378
why would they? it's even hard to say if the peninsula was even inhabited by WHG, whatever they have would all be indirect, neolithic Greeks had ~0% of it
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>>12361396
Were Mesolithic Greeks anatolian hgs?
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>>12361396
it was probably because we have balkan whgs

>whatever they have would all be indirect
i don't think there's anyone alive that has direct whg
most of the whg in the "anatolian farmer-whg-steppe" models was in the anatolian farmer(eef is anatolian farmer + whg)
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>>12361403
I think there's some indication of it, or perhaps something already intermediate between Pinarbasi HG and Serbian HGs, there's only some mtDNA available from mesolithic Greece and IIRC it's found in later farmers, kinda like some mtDNA from the mesolithic Balkans
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>>12361403
Remember hearing something like that once, or there were farmer looking people there really early on
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>>12361406
yeah but I'm talking indirect in e.g middle ages or something, even the clearly intrusive MBA samples with heavy steppe are an almost perfect 2-way mix between pure EEF(0% WHG, basically like 5000-6000BC Cardial and Starcevo farmers) and Catacomb/Yamnaya
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>>12361333
They cluster with Neolithic Anatolians on PCA.
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>>12361466
>including cappadocian "greeks" and cypriot
may as well include bulgarians macedonians albanians and italians that are unironically closer
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Has anyone read the new paper about spen
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7038
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>>12361251

Are you stupid? The spread of E-V13 has nothing to do with levantine admixture, at this point we're not even sure that E-V13 entered Europe from the levant... It could also have entered from the straits of Gibraltar! E-V13 is European and not levantine. Also its stupid to correlate a haplogroup with an admixture. My model makes the most sense out of here, its clear and it doesn't hide anything. That other model that was posted uses Bronze Age or Iron Age samples which are already mixed.

>>12361264

What is this obsession with skin color? Who cares if ancient greeks were dark or white, wtf is wrong with people.
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>>12361466
They seem to have additional Levant N
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>>12361519
ancient greeks were mudkins and not even remotely white
there's nothing wrong in telling the truth
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>>12361532
not what they themselves thought of themselves, they were white, not super white like northerners, but white
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>>12361466
Anatolian Boncuklu, aka early anatolian farmer should be considered as the purest anatolian farmers
they predate the other anatolian farmer by at least 2000 years
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>>12361536
this is a modern quote, they were shitskins, even more than modern greeks
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>>12361532

Why would I care if they're white or not white, what fucking issues do you have? Ancient Greeks could be niggers for all I care.
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>>12361544
>this is a modern quote
nope, it's from Polemon(2nd century) and corresponds to Adamantius words
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>>12361546
ancient greeks were swarthoids, even more than modern 35% steppe modern greeks
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>>12360617
>AHHHH GREECE SO BASED SO ADVANCED AND THEY HAD SHITSKIN Y DNA

If White people in the Enlightenment doesn’t fellate the fedora tier illiterate Pedophiles known as the Gayreeks, no one would want to be associated with them.
They were scientifically stagnant, creatively bankrupt, economically inept, mass illiterates who’s only redeeming factor was btfoing J and G carrying Iranian monkeys.
>but all these Greeks things
Most of Greek culture is IE, and most of those Greeks claims about the world, were wrong.
Took Northern Europeans 800 years to go from caveman to Moon landing.
The Greeks still aren’t even literate to the degree the poorest nation in Europe proper is.
>but uh Northern Europe stole civilization from us
example:
Northern Europe has always been low density and 15 cavemen no matter their IQ will always be outdone by 150,000 brown monkeys. But if those 15 cavemen are given time, they reproduce, when they reach a population of 150,000, you will see their real potential as a race.

The Greeks had a large population, lots of manpower, but due to their low IQ and shit tier gyro merchant behavior, they remained a backwater only remembered because some White guys in the 1700s were trying to find the root of fedora tipping.
>NO NO NO BUT YOU NORDKEKS LIVED IN CAVE N SHEEIT
These cavemen outpaced you in half the time it took for your civilization to reach its height, the height of being a low tech Iron Age society reminiscent of the chimpanzee exhibit.
And when Greeks lived in caves they didn’t even have fire while Nordics were already dreaming of the Stars.
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>>12361553
greeks were shitskins
that's not a real quote, it comes from a modern book and doesn't have a source
polemon himself was a cappadocian "greek", hence not a greek
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>>12361532
Ancient Greeks were Whiter than anyone outside of Europe, but they are the darkest in Europe.
They’re still Europeans and a Greek is closer to a Swede than he is to (You).
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>>12361573
>greeks were shitskins
nope
>that's not a real quote
it is, Polemon's words from "de physiognomonia liber arabice et latine", translated into english
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>>12361511
>This finding is best explained by either an unresolved distinctive ancestry of La Almoloya individuals or, alternatively, the ability to detect such subtle signals only in groups consisting of a larger number of individuals, as is the case for Almoloya_Argar_Early (n = 36) and Almoloya_Argar_Late (n = 22), which provide the statistical power to reject simpler models.
Yes, and that ancestry is African, not Iranian.

>we detect a previously unreported amount of Iran_N-like ancestry in central Mediterranean groups from Sardinia, ranging from 2.8 ± 1.2% in Sardinia_Chalcolithic to 5.8 ± 1% in Sardinia_Nuragic_BA.

>These El Argar groups (Almoloya and Bastida) are also slightly shifted to the right on the PC1 axis, in the direction of Mediterranean BA groups with excess Iran_N-like ancestry, such as “Minoans,” who only carry Iran_N-like ancestry but not steppe-related ancestry, or “Mycenaeans,” who carry a mix of both (71), and that has also been shown for some BA individuals from Sicily_MBA (51) and for Sardinians here (Fig. 3A).

This seems unlikely, to say the least, probably they're detecting something that isn't there. You can't detect something that wasn't detected before.

>ogether, the results hint at an additional, albeit subtle, Iran_N-enriched ancestry that is present in SE_Iberia_CA groups and thus potentially predating the El Argar BA.
No, they don't, they really don't.
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>>12361511
Cool how IEs in Spain were actually swarthier than the pre IEs

>>12361560
>btfoing J and G
Ancient Greeks were J2 and G2 though?
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>>12361587
>*posts a picture showing bronze age samples lighter than CA ones*
braindead
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>>12361560
finally a based northern brother that has stopped pretending these ancient monkeys were "civilized" in the first place
everything that they achieved pales in comparison to the modern world

ancient romans and greeks were brownskins and their pedo philosophers aren't worth shit, an average modern scientist is 1000 times more useful and knowledgeable than those monkeys
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>>12361536
>they were white, not super white like northerners, but white
Definetely not. Your quote from late antiquity.
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>>12361498
Those Coriell samples come from the Attica region of Greece (as per Lazaridis et al., 2014 and its Supplementary Information).
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>>12361580
it's not a real quote
poloemon was an anatolian "greek", hence not greek

>>12361579
>Ancient Greeks were Whiter than anyone outside of Europe
they were swarthy
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>>12361602
quote >>>> laughable reconstruction from a coping humiliated browncel
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>>12361607
>it's not a real quote
completely real, you are desperate https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110975376.93/html
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>>12361610
Ok.
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>>12361591
>CA has more very pale skin, more red hair and blue eyes than BA
all that happenes is that intermediate skin became more common but very pale became less common
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>>12361602
greeks were and are shitskins

i pity cucks like varg that feel the need to appropriate the pitiful "history" of these brown monkeys, those "civilizations" of the past were more garbage than modern saudi arabia or india

only the nordic created modern society
your pedo philosophers aren't worth shit compared the masses of nordic scientists
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>>12361618
nice cherrypicking, you want me to quote the hair color of Achilles and Menelaus or the skin color of Athena too?
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>>12361617
1 - polemon was himself not greek, but an anatolian
2 - that's not a real quote

begone mudskin
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>>12361620
intermediate is the most standard skin color in Europe, and brown hair became too more widespread
blue eyes isn't surprising since it's a WHG trait
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>>12361620
CA has some outliers with light skin and blue eyes, but overall the BA are lighter. More intermediate, less dark.
Iberian farmers were the darkest, darker than Anatolian and Balkan farmers.
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>>12361618
greeks were shitskins, even more than modern 35% steppe northern greeks that are themselves shitskins

i don't care, i'm not a cuck vargtard
your history is pitiful compared to my history
your culture of pedo philosophers is meaningless and useless compared to my history of science
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>>12361361
That's a bad model. The most Slavic mixed Greeks are the most Barcin, that doesn't make sense. Greeks received additional post-neolithic admixture reflected in all that Natufian and Iranian ancestry. It's obviously much more than just few percent and at least 20-30% of Barcin isn't actually Barcin but post-neolithic Anatolia and/or Levant.
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>>12361627
>Homer
>cherrypicking

>noname from late antiquity
>not cherrypicking
Pathetic cope. Ok, here's another quote from great classical Greek.
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>>12361640
CA has more red hair blue eyes and very pale skin so I deem them wh*toider than the BA Iberian bvlls
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>>12361675
>The most Slavic mixed Greeks are the most Barcin, that doesn't make sense
it makes 100% sense

the other greeks are more southern while being less barcin thanks to anatolian admixture
same as in italy, north italians are more barcin than south italians
same as in spain, catalonians are more barcin than andalusians
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Ah, pigmentation pigmentation pigmentation!
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resentful brown cattle has literally made every discussion impossible on this board, it's truly pathetic what inferiority complex does to conquered people, I'm out
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>>12361560
>it's the dolph lundrgren posting american

>>12361703
bye
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Repeating jokes over and over is a sign of autism
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>>12361713
what joke?
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>>12361703
bye
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>>12361695
Barcin is Anatolian admixture. Northerners tend to be more Barcin because southerners received additional post-neolithic admixture from the East. But this admixture is ancient.

When the Slavs came they mixed with people who were more Cypriot-like than Mycenean or Empuries like.
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>>12361607
Dolph Lundgren is swarthy according to all color charts.
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>>12361715
iykyk
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>>12361587
There are only two samples and they aren’t even real Greeks.
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>>12361734
dolph lungren is nordic

ancient/modern greeks were/are swarthy

i'm not the dolph lungren posting autist
i couldn't care less about your "history"
no one of your pedo philosophers is even 1/100th as accomplished as an average nordic scientist or mathematician or engineer like von neumann or Charles Babbage
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>>12361730
i think the admixture wasn't the same in the entire greek peninsula just like it wasn't the same in the italian peninsula
north greeks has obviously less of that as you can tell by the lower iran_n and natufian
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>>12361711
>>12361723
>we Meds built civilization and shit
Why didn’t you create penicillin?
Why didn’t you reach the moon?
Why didn’t you navigate the globe?
Why didn’t you invent the combustion engine?
Why didn’t you develop modern ethics?
Why didn’t your National GDP exceed the change in my pocket?
Why didn’t you colonize the world?
>y-y-you started the race after us
Shouldn’t we have lost to your head start?
>y-y-you got lucky we did the heavy lifting for you
The early medieval period was Northern European philosophers and inventors UNDOING and REFUTING all the horseshit Greek and Eastern “scientists” came up with.
>uhhhh we said something intelligent once every 250 years
Yeah, you may have. But you’re overwhelmingly retarded and none of your previous works contributed even remotely to Northern European achievements, in fact Northern Europeans would likely be much farther along if they didn’t have correct the mistakes made by their illiterate neighbors.
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>>12361730
The two Northern samples are the MBA samples. You can probably draw a line betwen Yamnaya and Balkan CA and they will be there. They did not contribute much to modern Greeks (probably not even to ancient ones). The conclusion of that paper is clearly just wishful thinking.
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Keep seeing the idea that Anatolian was spoken in Cernavoda, what I've seen from DNA shit makes it seem like it could have come into Anatolia through the Caucasus though. What if pre or proto Greek was spoken in a Cernavoda context, entered Anatolia and then entered Greece from there? Don't have the IQ to process all the info, but overall that seems possible based on what I understand. Don't understand why Cernavoda is looked at as the Anatolian language origin point.
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>>12361782
I don't see why Anatolian couldn't have arrived from the Caucasus
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>>12361770
Europeans by relevance:

1. Meds (Greeks, Italians, south French, Iberians, Jews). Have made a huge contribution to culture and science, created 5 great empires, started 3/5 key periods in European history (Antiquity, Renaissance, Age of Discovery) and contributed in subsequent periods.

2. Celts (British, north French, south Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Dutch, Belgians). Have made a big contribution to culture and a huge to science, created 4 great empires, started 2/5 key periods in European history (Age of Enlightenment, Industrialisation).

3. Balto-Slavs (west and east Slavs, Balts, east Germans, Hungarians). Have made an average contribution to culture and science, created 3 great empires.

4. Illyro-Thracians (south "Slavs", Albanians, Romanians, Moldavans). Have made a very low contribution to culture and science, gave extremely many rulers to Western and Eastern Roman Empire, defended Europe from muslims.

5. Germanics (Scandinavians, north Germans, Frisians). Have made a low contribution to culture and science, created 2 great empires, started the Dark Ages and Viking pirates age.

6. Finno-Ugrians (Finns, some north and central Russian groups). Have made a very low contribution to culture and science.
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>>12361799
Most Anatolian languages are from West Anatolia.
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>>12361816
I don't want to join your dick comparisons but the English are Germanic
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>>12361824
Yeah but couldn't they have been pushed west or survived in the west/pushed out by incoming peoples to the east. Is there some kind of archaeology trail from Cernavoda into Anatolia?
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>>12361837
they speak germanic yes, but genetically mostly celts
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>>12361816
all those categories are meaningless garbage

there's only nordics (2-3-5-6 in your retarded classification) and non nordics
culture doesn't exist, your pedo philosophers aren't culture and no one reads them

you know what people do instead of reading your boring pedo philosophers? they have computers and phones, and use the internet, all invented by the nordics, von neumann, turing, babbage.. all the names behind it are nordic
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>>12361845
There's evidence of Cernavoda or rather post-Cernavoda (Cotofeni and so on)-West Anatolia trade.
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>>12361858
>they have computers and phones, and use the internet, all invented by the nordics, von neumann, turing, babbage..
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>>12361770
>Why didn’t you navigate the globe?
They did. Colombus, Amerigo Vespucci, Pigafetta, Cabot/Cabotto, Pessagno; to name a few, or the whole Spanish race
>Why didn’t you develop modern ethics?
They did. Aquinas and hundreds of Italian philosophers.
>Why didn’t your National GDP exceed the change in my pocket?
It does
>Why didn’t you colonize the world?
They did. (Barsanti, Matteucci)
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>>12361853
Anglos are genetically/culturally/linguistically Germanic and made the greatest contributions to science while the rest of the world slept
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>>12361858
go eat burguers fat
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>>12361886
>Anglos are genetically/culturally/linguistically Germanic
shizo
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>>12361886
cope
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>>12361703
are you going to cry hahahaha what a little bitch, coward like all your fucking people
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>>12361901
>says the idiot who denies that Anglos are Germanic
You would think the name gives it away
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>>12361879
cope retarded chart
those nordic people with brown hairs are genetically nordic

you don't have any arguments because you know i'm right, your shitty pedo aristotele is only looked up by a few pretentious faggots and some retarded self hating "nordicists" on 4chan that unironically think there's something admirable about your monkey history, the average citizen of ancient rome was worse off than an average modern pakistani
while we invented the modern world

the phone/pc and the internet you are using are a nordic creation and unlike your shitty philosophers they are used by billions of people

>>12361886
don't fall for the cope, germanic and celtic are only language groups
there's almost no difference between a swede and an english
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>>12361921
anglos are considered germanic because they speak germanic, you retard.
genetically they are mostly celts
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>>12361939
"celt" doesn't exist as a genetic term
the english are nordic and far closer to a danish than to a "celt iberian" aka a mediterranean shitskin
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>>12361926
>germanic and celtic are only language groups
They were also cultural groups. I don't buy into your belief about every great person in history being 'Nordic' and I don't buy into your dismissal of the differences between Celts and Germanics. I'm just saying that Anglos are undeniably Germanic and I don't care what the incel freaks here have to say about that.
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>>12361952
cope
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>>12361953
they are not and what do you care if you aren't anglo neither germanic
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Yamnaya is irrelevant. All those archeologists and linguists backed the wrong horse. I doubt these supposedly Indo-Europeanized cultures from the Balkans were even Indo-European. For example the Mokrin samples do have steppe ancestry, but the Yamnaya Z2103 have been found only in graves without any grave goods.
Even in Hungary, which is the last stop for all those steppe hordes Yamnaya Y-DNA got completely replaced by Beaker, post-CWC (Nitra culture) and Balkan Y-DNA.
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>>12361956
haploshits are not autosomal
you seem to be the one that is coping hard because you know it yourself

celt doesn't exist as a genetic term
it's just a cope term used by meds
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>>12361977
cope
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>>12361864
That seems flimsy
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>>12361926
There were also many great scientists and inventors among non-northern peoples. For example, the microprocessor was invented by Italian, Jew, Japanese, and swarthy American.
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>>12361965
I am though

>>12361969
Didn't Nitra also get replaced?
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>>12361988
haploshits are not autosomal
an average "celtic" irish is closer to a polish, slovakian, czech or hungarian than to a "celt"iberian spaniard

but you know it already and you are just coping
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>>12362006
At least partially, yeah. A lot happened in Hungary. You have now people on anthrogenica claiming that the Balto-Slavic drift is actually from Hungary as you have those HG-heavy populations living there.
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>>12362007
keep coping germanic kangz, its you vs modern genetics
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>>12362006
>I am though
sure, and im the king of saba lol
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>>12362016
Does 'Balto-Slavic' drift even exist outside of Eurogenes' G25?
>Holy shit this ancient sample has high WHG, he must have been a Balto-Slav
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>>12362004
that's why i said 99%, almost all of what you are using a nordic creation
and the american, Marcian Hoff, is a northern european, so not even that 1% of non nordic achievements are fully non nordic achievement

99% of what you are using is a nordic creation
you shitty garbage philosophers from the past aren't worth shit, an average modern STEM graduate is more intelligent and knowledgeable than they were
your ancient civilization was worse than modern pakistan
you were and are ugly swarthy people, while northern europeans are and were attractive
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>>12362031
Slavs have more HG, that's for sure.
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>>12362050
>you were and are ugly swarthy people, while northern europeans are and were attractive
cope
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Jesus can you faggots take your nord vs med faggotry elsewhere?
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>>12362017
i know you are a dumb subhuman retard
but haplogroups, posting the same chart over and over again won't change that
only autosomal matters, that's why pakis aren't considered slavs
you may as well include south americans in your chart that have 50%+ r1b

celt doesn't exist, the irish and the british are nordic
it's you vs actual modern genetics
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>>12362069
That's our entire history.

farmer vs steppe (med vs nord)
ancient civilizations vs northern barbarians
communism vs fascism
democracy vs monarchy
revolution vs old regime

The farmers steppe conflict shaped Europeans.
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>>12362050
>that's why i said 99%, almost all of what you are using a nordic creation
It is not true.
>and the american, Marcian Hoff, is a northern european, so not even that 1% of non nordic achievements are fully non nordic achievement
No, he is brown-eyed and dark-haired American, not nordic.
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>>12362064
Don't people within this circled area have the most? I thought HG ancestry mainly survived in more northern climates
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>Von Neumann
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>>12362087
>That's our entire history.
No it's not. You would have to be an autistic shut-in retard in order for you to believe anything of the likes. I hope you and the insecure meds meet up in a bar somewhere and fist each other in privacy so the rest of us don't have to witness your faggotry.
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>>12362078
>celt doesn't exist, is just a fantasi believe me bro
>irish wuzz nordicz and shieet
you can tell that as much as you can, but is not gonna change the fact is just a lie an Irish is way closely related to a Spaniards than to a cumskin
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>>12362092
Russians have a lot of it too
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>>12362091
>It is not true.
it absolutely is

>No, he is brown-eyed and dark-haired American, not nordic.
he's genetically nordic, i don't care about your copes
this all stems from you knowing that i'm right, the modern world is a nordic creation, everywhere you look there are 50 nordic surnames and maybe 1 or 2 that aren't


up until now you only had to do deal with cuckolds like the dolph lungren posting autist, that think there was something even remotely good or admirable about ancient rome and greece and their garbage rampant paedophilia and homsexuality, or the extremely useless subject of philosophy
but the reality is that nordic people have nothing to be jealous of, your shitty civilization was streetshitting indian tier, no it was probably worse
while the nordic has created the world you are living in, the modern comfort that allows you to live like an ancient aristocrat is the result of nordic brainpower and nothing more
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>>12362131
>lie lie lie
keep coping
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>>12362016
Yeah dude some Polish nationalists unironically believe it's from Swiderians
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>>12362131
kys mutt
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>>12362119
>an Irish is way closely related to a Spaniards than to a cumskin
and i'm the one coping?

imagine believing an average light eyed/haired irish with northern european facial features that could pass as a local form norway to poland and that clusters with other northernwest europeans is supposedly identical to a spaniard "celt-iberian" or a north italian "cisalpine-celt"
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>>12362092
It didn't necessarily survive more in northern climates, it could have just happened to end up surviving more there due to different demographic processes/chance. Peripheral geographies have those ancestry properties over the world. Probably only rarely act as "sources" outside their boundaries. Probably even applies to Germanics if you go back far enough. Balto Slavic signatures could have originated well outside of Baltic regions.
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>>12362174
originally*
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>>12362131
>it absolutely is
Dude...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_inventions_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_inventions_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_scientists

>he's genetically nordic
Many americans are med in origin.
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>>12362174
Does Baltic_BA ancestry count as 'Balto-Slavic' drift? In that case it doesn't even make sense to call it Balto-Slavic
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>>12362144
>>12362162
literally 0 arguments

you know that i'm right
your retarded arguments only work when someone assumes ancient romans and greeks were accomplished and somehow "nordic"
but they actually weren't, they were just brown meds living in a pitiful state that never improved the world(no, philosophy, homosexuality and paedophilia don't count as accomplishments)
while the nordics created the modern world, the nordics created the modern comfortable lives you are living in, you live better than a shitty patrician during the roman empire thanks to the nordics
we are communicating at thousands of kilometers of distance thanks to the nordics, you are literate thanks to the nordics(the romans and greeks were 95% not literate) and the modern lifestyle that the nordic man has created
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>>12362172
>muh meme power point
you are telling me that irish atlantid people is closer to fucking slavs that to the most genetically similar peoples of the atlantic aka france and Spain of with those who in the past shared a language and close commercial and cultural relations, an IM THE ONE COPING
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>>12362197
you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDIC
i knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordic
the french are also mostly nordics
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>>12362212
>you
didn't read lol
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>>12362223
>you are telling me that irish atlantid people is closer to fucking slavs
yes

>france
french are nordic
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>>12362236
0 arguments, exactly as i said
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>>12362229
>you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDIC
>i knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordic
Lol, you're trolling me.
>the french are also mostly nordics
No, they are closer to meds than to nordics.
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>>12362238
>french are nordic
I know this is bait but they're so not bro. It's hard to tell the difference between an Algerian and a French person most of the time.
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>>12362229
>you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDIC
>i knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordic
>the french are also mostly nordics
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>>12362205
I have no idea honestly, could have come from Baltic regions too. I think calling it that should be fine though regardless due to it being mostly found among balts and slavs nowadays
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>>12362238
>french are nordic
nice bait, sure you ve never been in france, completely undistinguishable from spaniards
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>>12362250
Wouldn't people like Estonians have plenty of it too?
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>>12362244
>Lol, you're trolling me.
i'm not and you know it
99% of modern inventions are nordic

>>12362246
french are mostly nordic
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>>12362263
Seems like they should, do they not?
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>>12362270
in this image there is a french and who spaniards, guess who
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>>12362275
I think they do. But they're clearly not Balto-Slavs, so why do we have to call Baltic_BA ancestry 'Balto-Slavic' drift? I bet Finns have it too. Finns and Estonians don't speak Balto-Slavic. Can everyone just stop calling it Balto-Slavic drift?
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>>12362276
i guess that you are a 20 IQ subhuman
i'm not gonna play your 20 IQ subhuman games
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>>12362291
hahaha you cant because they are practically the same genetically
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>>12362297
you are a 20IQ subhuman just like your 20IQ subhuman ancestors
you should thank the nordic man if you don't live in squalor like them, you should thank the nordic man for being literate and using the internet
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>>12362092
Slavs and Balts have the most.
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>>12362317
Proof that Slavs have even nearly as much as Balts? Hard mode, no G25
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>>12362327
They have less than Balts but more than West Europeans.
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>>12362327
in old calculators they result as more whg than west europeans too
slavs have always been closer to balts
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>>12362315
seethe fat, I only thank the nordics for the blonde pussies that come everysummer looking for bronze cock
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>>12362333
Swedes have the most outside of Balts/Slavs, but Swedes seem to be mixed with some Uralics or something.
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>>12362064
>>12362317
Why do Slavs look like femboys if they have the most HG?
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>>12362333
I don't see any proofs there buddy

>>12362334
Hard mode, no G25 and no even older more outdated calculators
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>>12362344
They don't have the most HG. They just wish they did.
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>>12361536
No, they were like modern meds, maybe even darker
>>12361553
>2nd century
Irrelevant
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>>12362338
i'm not american if you didn't notice already you dumb 20 IQ subhuman
the ancient romans and greeks were worthless swarthy subhumans, that's the reality of your condition
even the few med achievements (the ones that matter like science and math not useless garbage pedo homo philosophy)are modern and not from that period

99% of the modern world is a nordic invention
your modern lifestyle, comparable to an ancient upper class individual is the fruit of nordic labor and brain power

>>12362338
>>12362065
you can post mednigger men all you want, it won't change this fact
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>>12362346
>>12362353
>>12362346
north slavs have always been close to balts, you can see it even without "calculators", they both have those slavoid-baltoid-finnoid paces
while west europeans have always been more shifted towards them med

>Why do Slavs look like femboys if they have the most HG?
first, do not underestimate selection
second, HG doesn't mean anything, whgs were not particularly robust
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>200+ posts
>24 posters
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>>12362385
WHGs were the most robust people to ever live in Europe
Except for me of course. I'm the most HG of them all while the rest of you ITT are all sissies.
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>>12362393
whgs weren't particularly robust and were also pretty short as is the case for many hgs
some older european hgs were a lot more robust and tall

hgs being necessarily more robust is a myth
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>>12362409
>whgs weren't particularly robust
They had extremely robust skulls.
>some older european hgs were a lot more robust and tall
They were taller but equally robust with the exception of some IUP HGs
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>>12362411
you are confusing them for other older european hgs

whgs didn't have robust skulls and were pretty short
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>>12362415
Nonsense. La Brana, Loschbour dude, Oberkassel and others were more robust than anything outside of Europe and equally robust as older European HGs
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>>12362367
shut up and send more gibs, as you say, you work and use your brain, I enjoy the profit
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>>12362425
Oberkassel isn't WHG
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>>12362425
la brana and Loschbour are not particularly robust compared to modern europeans

Oberkassel is pretty robust but not a whg
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>>12362437
He's 14 000 years old so he should be
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>>12362435
you are an homosexual, that's why you posted that male model >>12362338
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>>12362452
>la brana and Loschbour are not particularly robust compared to modern europeans
Idiot detected, opinions disregarded
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>>12362461
it doesn't look particularly robust compared to modern europeans
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>>12362482
Then you're an idiot. His measurements are more robust than even the most robust of modern humans.
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>>12362491
no they aren't
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>>12362494
Yes
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>>12362482
imagine meeting this tiny gracile HGs
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>>12362498
No
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>>12362494
>huge brow ridges
>high and pronounced cheekbones
>strong as hell jawbones
>larger skull volume
>greater brain size
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>>12362519
that jawline is strongish, not strong as hell
same for all the other features


can i give you a little advice?
the next time you have to say things that aren't true, try not to exaggerate too much, mix reality with fiction, so the lie sounds more believable
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>>12362529
Anthropologists consider Mesolithic Europeans to be the most robust
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>>12362532
no they don't
again, when you have to tell some lie try to mix reality with fiction, for example here you could have said something like "Anthropologists consider Mesolithic Europeans to be kinda robust"
this would have been more believable, if you say things like "the most robust in the world" the lie will be easier to find out
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>>12362543
They literally do. You don't even know their measurements but still talk a bunch. Every CM phenotype in modern Europe comes from them.
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>>12361519
>E-V13 is European
You wish. Picrel raped Greeks into existence lol.
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>>12362552
they literally do not
the phenotypes from humanphenotypes.net aren't real, anon
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>>12361519
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the fact that the large majority of E in europe is e-v13 just shows that berbercuckolds didn't leave male traces in europe LOL
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>>12362560
>they literally do not
Copeseethedilate, you don't know the first thing about physical anthropology. Mesolithic Europeans were much more robust than Yamnaya.
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>>12362576
>no mesolithic european in the chart
unabashedly based retard
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>>12362584
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5094
Mesolithics were more robust than all of them, go cry about it
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>>12362569
YWNBAW (You Will Never Be A Whiteman)
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>>12362587
>https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5094
>literally doesn't mention steppe people or later ehgs, only whgs and earlier euro hgs
>concludes that earlier euro hgs were more rebust than whgs and post-LGM HGs populations of Europe also underwent a significant decrease in overall body size
unabashedly based retard
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>>12362598
sorry what?
i'm just laughing at the cucked berbers

are you a berber by any chance?
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>>12362601
You're too dumb to even understand it, color me surprised
La Brana for example has a greater MBL and MFB than every Yamnaya skull. Steppe niggas were some horsefaced people, go cwy about it
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>>12362606
t.
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>>12362620
steppe people were longfaced but robust

whgs were more "widefaced" but it doesn't take much to be more widefaced than a steppe, they were very long faced
it's not an indication of robustness, overall the study agrees that they weren't very robust, and underwent a significant decrease in robustness and body size compared to pre LGM populations
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>>12362647
>overall the study agrees that they weren't very robust
Not at all. You're an idiot or some delusional biased faggot. Steppe people were only robust compared to farmcels.
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>>12362624
i don't see the problem with those 2 european haplogroups

did you really get this much angry at my statement?
you must be a berber
i'm really sorry but berber men are cuckolds that like to be conquered by other poeple
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>>12362651
read the study man, it's all there
whgs were not particularly robust and were also short
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>>12362660
They were extremely robust. Even more gracile WHGs had greater cranial volume, MBL and MFB than steppe niggas
You WILL suck my balls and you WILL like it sir
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>>12360903
"Turks" are mystery meats of Greeks, Arabs, Iranians and original Asian Turks. There is no way to find a "Turkish haplogroup".
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>>12362670
again, you should really hear my advice, when you lie try to mix lies with some truth, don't go all in and claim stuff like "the mostest robustest in the world", if you do that, the lie becomes less believable, much easier to find out
i mean it's still a lie and not true and easily to be called out by more experienced posters such as myself, but if you follow this simple advice you could convince some less experienced posters
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>>12362692
You don't know the first thing about the measurements of Mesolithic European skulls or steppecel skulls for that matter, embarrassing
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>>12362701
i do, hence why i told you right away how wrong you were
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>12362706
Do not reply to my posts
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>>12362124
This
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>>12362719
can i give you another advice?
don't do that, it sounds like an admission of defeat, i mean in this case it is an actual admission of defeat, obviously i was right, but the next time, even if you lost the argument don't show your defeat in such a blatant way
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>>12362735
I think I won't be taking advice from someone who knows as little as you do but thanks
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>>12362737
man, you were simply wrong, it happens sometimes
just accept it and move on
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>>12362746
Repeating your lies will not make them any less untrue
There's a reason why in European physical anthropology Mesolithic influence = more robust
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>>12362750
>Repeating your lies will not make them any less untrue
were you talking to the mirror when you typed this?

>There's a reason why in European physical anthropology Mesolithic influence = more robust
humeanphenotypes.net isn't real science anon
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>humeanphenotypes.net
Only you have mentioned that site so far
You have clearly never read any literature on this topic so just be quiet, obnoxious faggot
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>>12362766
yeah, "literature on this topic" like german anthropology from 90 years ago, very reliable and totally non biased stuff

>he doesn't quote me
anon, stop living in fear
you are silently admitting more and more your defeat
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>>12362786
>like german anthropology from 90 years ago, very reliable and totally non biased stuff
The skull measurements are reliable because they never change, how much of a retard are you
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>>12362802
the skull measurements on ancient skulls confirm what i said, whgs were not particularly robust
anthropology from 90 years ago with all its "alpinids", "atlanto-mediterraneans" and "taurids" is still not real and has nothing do with that, anon
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>>12362814
>the skull measurements on ancient skulls confirm what i said, whgs were not particularly robust
No, Mesolithic skulls are some of the most robust ever
At this point I think you must be mentally ill
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>>12362822
anon, you were proven wrong in this very thread, multiple times, with the studies you posted yourself

i think it's time to admit you were wrong and move on, you are either mentally ill or worse: trying to save face, try to salvage the disaster you put yourself into
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I have U5 haplogroup
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>>12362653
I take it you are one of these bleached niggers in denial about their paternal DNA originating inside Mbudu's charcoal black ballsack.
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>>12361969
How do you know for sure?
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>>12360976
Off topic but where do you guys find these target/distance to things and how do I use it?
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>>12363319
https://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
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>>12363336
Can I use this with my own DNA?
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>>12363381
Yeah but you need Davidski coordinates, can't buy those anywhere at the moment
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>>12363336
Cringe site
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>>12361883
>people who were more proximal to Northern Europeans and who existed under Northern European regimes emulated Northern Europeans
lol
>Aquinas
not Kant.
>hundreds of Italian philosophers
not relevant to our society.
>it does
It never once did.
>they did
>literal who
????
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>>12361816
>Meds have made a huge contribution
nope. They have contributed next to nothing in terms of what differentiates the Western World from the Greek world.
>Jews
not meds.
>Celts, Slavs, Germanics
same people, all closer to eachother than to Meds.
a random Welshman in Patagonia is closer to a random Russian living on the Korean border than either of them are to Meds.
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>>12363658
They constantly supply your women with fresh DNA everyday, simple as.
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>>12361519
Exactly. Haplogroup E is like twice as old as haplogroup R so it had spread before “white” ppl even existed. E-V13 is very old as well its a branch that survived in Europe
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>>12362624
Nobody wants to be an R1b rapebaby.

Haplogroup E is so goddamn old a random ass branch of it in Europe is pretty normal. Haplogroup E in Europe was probably brought in during the neolithic along with the neolithic farmers from Anatolia. Also there is a E-V13 all over Europe retard. You are telling me that the Berbers got all the way up to Sweden?
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>>12361879
>hair color is what determines race
Do Meds really?
>>12362004
built directly using progress from Northern Europeans.
And further added to by Northern Europeans from Northern European founded nations.
>>12362065
>the rare Med with a Celtic phenotype
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>>12362409
WHGs were extremely robust, some of them looked like Neanderthals except with giga chad chins.
They are literal monkeymode humans from 900k BC who survived into the modern era.
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>>12363821
>45 year old Nordic milfs go to South Europe to drain their males of their life force in exchange for.... nothing
You wouldn't get it guido, you think with your balls, which are small, and not with your brain, which is also small.
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>>12362482
La Brana's chest was as wide as two modern humans.
The man would have looked like an oversized gorilla.
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>>12362437
He was, he shares a lot of DNA with WHGs and WHGs also inherited a lot from him.
WHGs went through a handful of bottlenecks and were themselves the result of various groups of HGs who lived in Europe for the past 70,000 years.
For Example, La Brana, archetype of WHGs has DNA segments which are so old they are close to archaic East Eurasians.
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>>12363997
WHG have nothing to do with UP HG
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>>12362064
>>12362092
>>12362174
WHG is concentrated highly in Balts and Basques, then in Scots/Irish and Norwegians, then in Anglos and Swedes, then its more at trace levels in the rest of Europe.
Most WHG in Europeans comes from WHG rich farmers replacing less WHG rich farmers, not from WHGs directly, but I assume WHGs may have contributed directly due to some relict group in the highlands of Scotland, Pyrenees of Spain, Mountains of Norway or some Baltic Island.
>>12362249
>>12362244
French are closer to Swedes than they are to Italians or Spaniards.
>muh colors
I remember being 15
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>>12362276
>>12362297
I agree, they are the same, both are Gallic (Nordic) descended.
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>>12362223
>b-b-but our myths tells us they wuz Medz
typical medmonkey, laughing at science.
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>>12364001
I mean, 100% of humans descend from HGs in the UP.
So yes in a basic way they do, but its deeper than such a basal link.
WHGs inherited DNA from all prior Europeans, even the ones who they replaced, the East Asian like Europeans.
It varied somewhat by region, for instance Villabruna being purely WHG, loschbour being more shifted toward UP Oberkassel like Men, and La Brana retaining that Tianyuan/Ust Ishim like admixture.
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>>12363650
>Kant
Overrated as evidenced by modern society of the last century
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daily remainder
ancient romans and greeks were swarthy mudskins
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>>12363650
You didn’t refute one thing I said
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>>12365089
you put forth no arguments and therefore nothing to be refuted.
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>>12363658
>not meds.
ashkenazi are meds
>a random Welshman in Patagonia is closer to a random Russian living on the Korean border than either of them are to Meds.
false
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>>12360634
And Asia, and Africa. Greece was on major trade routes for like 2+ thousand years so...
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>>12363381
You can but you must give a few sheqels alongside your raw data to Davidski.
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>>12364017
There's more HG (I'm not saying WHG as it's probably Baltic HG or whatever) in Western/Eastern Slavs than in any Westerners except Basques.
Poles, Ukrainians, Balarusians all have more than for example English.
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>>12362701
You sound like a retarded amerimutt tbqh.
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>>12362258
Cope. Ethnic French are whiter than Southron mutts.
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>>12365307

Target: Polish
Distance: 6.0021% / 0.06002078
50.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.0 TUR_Barcin_N
16.2 WHG


Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.3215% / 0.08321519
56.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.8 WHG
21.4 TUR_Barcin_N


Target: English
Distance: 4.7162% / 0.04716228
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.6 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 WHG

But this difference is more visible when the farmer ancestry is taken from WHG-heavy GAC.


Target: Polish
Distance: 5.7502% / 0.05750185
50.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.2 POL_Globular_Amphora
4.4 WHG


Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.2057% / 0.08205718
56.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
14.2 WHG


Target: English
Distance: 3.1203% / 0.03120297
54.0 POL_Globular_Amphora
46.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Irish
Distance: 3.3942% / 0.03394245
50.8 POL_Globular_Amphora
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 WHG

Western Europeans pretty much don't need additional WHG ancestry when GAC is in the model.
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>>12365352
Most french are dark-haired and brown-eyed.
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>>12365360
None of the models are valid with distances like that
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>>12365372
You won't get much better distances with such ancient populations.
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>>12365365
Ethnic French were 59% blue eyed/gray eyed and only 13% shit eyed at the time of the First French Empire. This just shows that Arabtalians and Iberberians are as threatening to the White race than their Arab brothers.
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>>12365382
NOT VALID (^__^)
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>>12365360
Prove it. Hard mode, no G25
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>>12365395
Fake. 90% of great French people I know have brown eyes.
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>>12365492
Nice annectodal evicence, but cold are facts >>12365395
show that French were Nordic-tier prior to being flooded with mongrel abominations from Southern "Europe".
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>>12365519
Intellectual elite of French and most of their great people looked like typical Meds. You can cope as much as you want.
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>>12365541
French elite was nordic
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>>12365702
Yes lol.
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>>12365209
Askenazi are definitely not Meds, they are more like Cypriots. They cluster inbetween Meds and Levantines but are closer to levantines genetically.
>>12365365
If you were to gather all brown haired brown eyed Norwegians and put them on an island together, and they only reproduce people like themselves, say they had 10% blue eyes, 5% blonde hair, the rest being varying shades of brown, would you call them Meds?
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>>12365780
>If you were to gather all brown haired brown eyed Norwegians and put them on an island together, and they only reproduce people like themselves, say they had 10% blue eyes, 5% blonde hair, the rest being varying shades of brown, would you call them Meds?
Impossible scenario in reality.
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>>12365702
>>12365541
>>12365709
>>12365797
Nice paintings, however...
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>>12365797
How is it impossible?
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>>12365780
>Cypriots aren't Meds
lol



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