DNA from ancient Greece only has haplogroups G2a and J2 but in modern Greece the most common haplogroup is E-V13. How did this happen? Were there many migrations to Greece after the classical antiquity?
>>12360617I suffer from profound mental retardation
>>12360617People migrated from Balkans into Greece all the time
Greeks are rapebabies. The greeks in the old texts are not the same as moderns.
they are mostly Slavic+Syrian-Anatolian, of course the Y-DNA profile is all over the placeand the info about ancient Greeks is hardly that established, it's only two Y DNAs, one of which isn't even from mainland Greece, both J2a but not even particularly close subclades which were present in local Minoans already anyway and doesn't tell us the actual Y DNA profile of the invading Helleneshopefully the MBA-LBA Greece paper that is supposedly coming will make things clearer
>>12360661How come they have so much E-V13 if they're Slavic and Syrian?
>>12360672because E-V13 was a pre-Slavic Balkan lineage that got incorporated in the formation of the medieval balkan genepool i.e it arrived in Greece likely alongside other Slavic related lineages like R1a and I2a, though it's possible it was already spreading around in the pre-Slavic, late antiquity period by itselfas you can see from the map Greeks aren't special, all southern Balkans have significant frequencies of this lineages, even Italy which from better ancient DNA coverage we know had a very minuscule to 0% frequency of it in antiquityneedless to say, I'm not saying "Slavic" as in Polish, I mean Balkan Slavs
>>12360694Which were the haplogroups of classical antiquity Greeks? J2 and G2a?
>>12360617E-V13 is from the Israelite tribe of Dan(aus).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_(son_of_Jacob)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaeans_(Homer)
>>12360617You should wait for more samples. Greece is undersampled. It's possible that ancient Greeks already had V13.
>>12360704the only direct clue about classical antiquity Y DNA is a single sample from Spain which resembles LBA mainland samples from Greece, called "Aegean BA", and carried some J2a which unexpectedly was already present in Minoans/Cycladic people(two Minoans from ~2000BC carried J2a1a1a2b1b2 already like this sample from Empuries), indicating some degree of continuity since the bronze age of the largely Minoan-like people of the LBAhence I do think it's possible to see also continuity of some G2a, but the interesting part should be about the Y DNA brought by actual Hellenes, could be R1b-Z2103, R1b-L51, but also that one Balkan specific J2b2 or something else picked up in the Balkans
>>12360694>>12360661E-V13 has been found in ancient Scythian, Thracian, and Illyrian sites. It is pre-Slavic and likely came south with either the Macedonians or the Dorian invasion.
>>12360758When is more samples coming
>>12360656>source: my ass
>>12360820Didn't read the OP?
>>12360835E-V13, which 22% of Greeks have, could also have been in ancient times.
>>12360852It has not been found there
>>12360863We have few samples today.
>>12360871They will not be found there
>>12360761So Greeks don't have any haplogroups from Turks?
>>12360903Yes, they have only balkan and slavic haplogroups
It's easy.Ancient greeks = J2/J1, G2aIllyrians/Albanians = E1b1bSlavs = R1a/R1bModern greeks = J2/J1, G2a, E1b1b, R1a/R1bMany slavs and albanians mixed with hellenics.
>>12360913What about J2 and G2a
>>12360761>but the interesting part should be about the Y DNA brought by actual Hellenes, could be R1b-Z2103, R1b-L51Source?
>>12360938Native greek haplogroups
>>12360934No the Slavs invading south mostly had I2 and R1a and Illyrians were J2
>>12360793until recently I could've said the same, but the conspicuous lack of E-V13 in ancient samples from Italy and nearby areas until much later is making me kinda doubt it, even in the Imperial samples from Italy the first V13 only pops up in 500AD, I'm not exactly sure how south it was until late antiquity
>>12360952So none. For now hellenes are j2, we'll see if that's the case with the new papers
>>12360962Earliest E-V13 in Italy. Target: ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38Distance: 1.3675% / 0.0136753727.2 Levant_LBN_MA !!!!!!!!!!!12.0 GRC_N10.6 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o !!!!!!!!!!!8.8 GEO_CHG8.8 SVK_Poprad_MA6.8 DEU_LBK_KD6.4 TUR_Ovaoren_EBA6.2 VK2020_Wales_Anglesey_VA3.6 Levant_PPNC !!!!!!!!!!!2.4 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA2.2 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya1.6 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res1.0 PER_LaGalgada_4100BP1.0 TUR_Kumtepe_N_low_res0.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi0.6 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA_o0.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine
>>12360943these are the two main lineages of western Indo-Europeans, particularly centum related speakersR1b-Z2103 makes the most sense both considering possible ancestral cultures to Hellenes like Catacomb/Multicordoned ware as well as a rumored such sample from a shaft grave malein fact the presence of R1b in ancient Greece should be confirmed by some samples which are being kept kinda secret but were mentioned in one Youtube video by a Greek geneticist, maybe someone has still the link, there was a table mentioning IIRC classical era R1b, though undetermined
>>12360976ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107 should be even earlier to around 500AD vs CL38 dated around 600
>>12360979>makes the most sense >some samples which are being kept kinda secretAnon I...
>>12360994that's how it is, not every sample analyzed has been already published to the public in actual studies, if I can find that video I'll post itit makes sense given all the current evidence, which obviously makes lots of people butthurt who are expecting Greece to be the exception to the rule
>>12360963>>12360952>>12360943They are J2.The only mycenaean sample we got is J2.
>>12360979R-L21 can not all have been IE speaking because Etruscans were 85% L21 and Basques have like 95%.
>>12361001wait, I actually found ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKZKoH4yv0go to minute 15:20, look at the table, fifth row, R1b1 from ancient Ambracia, dated to 470-30BCthese samples haven't been published yet, but they exist in some lab
Also Iberian bell beakers spoke Iberian pre-IE languages and were 99% R1b
>>12361022irrelevant exceptions to the rule, Italics and Celts were too heavy R1b-L51 and were IE speakers, and Etruscan is considered IE influenced at least>>12361028not true, there are traces of pre-Celtic IE languages in Iberians like Lusitanian and related dialects, not all pre-Celt Iberia was non-IE
>>12361032>and Etruscan is considered IE influenced at leastBecause they lived next to IE speakers. You can not say that all L21 spoke IE because now we know that they did not.
What do we think of these Minoan and Mycenaean samples?
Haplotrannyism is a mental illness
>>12360976Why use so many different ancients to model him?
>>12361110This is about ancient migrations to Greece
Even I as a Greek know that there are a shit on of slavic place names in the Pelloponese and Macedonia. Slavs were a barbarian pagan people and were for a long time occupying greek regions during the dark ages. Once they became Orthodox they became greek and were assimilated. The same thing happened with the alabanian populations after the greek revolutions.Greeks have absorbed many foreign populations in the past and in the present. There are whole anthropological and historical works on the process of hellinization. The point is that Albanians and Slavs are our cousins and we should unite and fight the common threat that is the eternal T*rk.
>>12360987Target: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107Distance: 1.3574% / 0.01357384>19.0 Levant_PPNB_contam16.4 UKR_Cimmerian_o14.8 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya11.8 ITA_Sicily_LBA8.2 HUN_Sopot_LN7.6 UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA7.2 FRA_Hauts_De_France_LN4.2 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro3.4 FRA_Grand_Est_EBA_o2.6 UKR_N_o2.4 TUR_Kumtepe_N1.8 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res0.2 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1>0.2 MAR_EN0.2 VUT_2300BP_all
>>12360617ancient greeks were swarthy meds
Target: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107Distance: 1.9549% / 0.0195494356.4 Early_European_Farmer26.4 Steppe_Pastoralist8.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer6.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer1.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer1.0 Ancient_DravidianYou guys oversample the shit out of the models you're using. Yeah it gives a better distance fit for several reasons but there is no need to use it. Just stick to the basic reference samples and you get a better idea about their genetic composition. Ancient Greeks btw (Minoans) didn't carry any Steppe at all nor did they carry R1b/a.
>>12361202minoans are ancient cretesethe first actual ancient greeks are myceneans and they are 10% steppe
>>12361189No one denied it.
>>12361211Yes they had around 13% Steppe ancestry which means they cucked the Indo-Europeans because they didn't carry IE y-DNA (r1b/a).
>>12361202>merelt 8.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer>E1b1b Your model simply doesn't make sense.
>>12361240we don't have much samples and only from southern greece, it's possible that northern myceneans could have some r1it doesn't matter to me because those people with a bit more steppe were still shitskinsmodern north greeks are something like 35% steppe and they are shitskins
>>12361251e-v13 likely doesn't come from levantines
>>12361251E-V13 has nothing to do with early levantine farmers at that timeframe, its ancestor L618 arond 6000BC was already in Cardial samples from the Balkans which were indistinguishable from other EEF
>>12361044I think either they were either from Anatolia or they weren't really the first Greek speakers, maybe they were ancestrally consolidated from earlier MBA Greeks and Minoan related mainland natives and maybe some newbies as well and were just the first to write Greek down.
>>12361212The noble hellenes were nordic
>>12361303the myceneans were swarthy greeksyou could make an argument that the swarthy minoans were not really greek and represented only the island of crete and some smaller islands in the archipelago
>>12361044Also using Anatolia_N there is misleading
>>12361305hellenes were shitskinsmodern greeks are unironically whiter
>>12361044Why didn't they use Greece_N? Hm?
>>12361314Nigga couldn't care even a little about swarth non-swarth.
>>12361329So modern Greeks have 29% steppe in the north and less in the south. That means ancient Greeks has less than one third of their steppe ancestry? How did it change so much?
E-V13 is an Urnfield haplogroup me thinks
>>12361329it depends on the north greek sample used some north greeks are indeed 35% steppe while being shitskinned
>>12361361>shitskinnedDefine this. Also who cares. Even steppes themselves were darker than modern Greeks so why do you insult.
Why do Greeks have almost 0% WHG? How did that happen? Is it just geography?
>>12361240Almost everyone did thathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Greek_substrate
>>12361378it's not really 0% because some whg is in the steppe (steppe is part ehg that is part whg)but they generally have low whg even for south european standardscentral-north italians and iberians have less steppe but more whg and a similar amount of anatolian farmer
>>12361378why would they? it's even hard to say if the peninsula was even inhabited by WHG, whatever they have would all be indirect, neolithic Greeks had ~0% of it
>>12361396Were Mesolithic Greeks anatolian hgs?
>>12361396it was probably because we have balkan whgs>whatever they have would all be indirecti don't think there's anyone alive that has direct whgmost of the whg in the "anatolian farmer-whg-steppe" models was in the anatolian farmer(eef is anatolian farmer + whg)
>>12361403I think there's some indication of it, or perhaps something already intermediate between Pinarbasi HG and Serbian HGs, there's only some mtDNA available from mesolithic Greece and IIRC it's found in later farmers, kinda like some mtDNA from the mesolithic Balkans
>>12361403Remember hearing something like that once, or there were farmer looking people there really early on
>>12361406yeah but I'm talking indirect in e.g middle ages or something, even the clearly intrusive MBA samples with heavy steppe are an almost perfect 2-way mix between pure EEF(0% WHG, basically like 5000-6000BC Cardial and Starcevo farmers) and Catacomb/Yamnaya
>>12361333They cluster with Neolithic Anatolians on PCA.
>>12361466>including cappadocian "greeks" and cypriotmay as well include bulgarians macedonians albanians and italians that are unironically closer
Has anyone read the new paper about spenhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7038
>>12361251Are you stupid? The spread of E-V13 has nothing to do with levantine admixture, at this point we're not even sure that E-V13 entered Europe from the levant... It could also have entered from the straits of Gibraltar! E-V13 is European and not levantine. Also its stupid to correlate a haplogroup with an admixture. My model makes the most sense out of here, its clear and it doesn't hide anything. That other model that was posted uses Bronze Age or Iron Age samples which are already mixed. >>12361264What is this obsession with skin color? Who cares if ancient greeks were dark or white, wtf is wrong with people.
>>12361466They seem to have additional Levant N
>>12361519ancient greeks were mudkins and not even remotely whitethere's nothing wrong in telling the truth
>>12361532not what they themselves thought of themselves, they were white, not super white like northerners, but white
>>12361466Anatolian Boncuklu, aka early anatolian farmer should be considered as the purest anatolian farmersthey predate the other anatolian farmer by at least 2000 years
>>12361536this is a modern quote, they were shitskins, even more than modern greeks
>>12361532Why would I care if they're white or not white, what fucking issues do you have? Ancient Greeks could be niggers for all I care.
>>12361544>this is a modern quotenope, it's from Polemon(2nd century) and corresponds to Adamantius words
>>12361546ancient greeks were swarthoids, even more than modern 35% steppe modern greeks
>>12360617>AHHHH GREECE SO BASED SO ADVANCED AND THEY HAD SHITSKIN Y DNA If White people in the Enlightenment doesn’t fellate the fedora tier illiterate Pedophiles known as the Gayreeks, no one would want to be associated with them. They were scientifically stagnant, creatively bankrupt, economically inept, mass illiterates who’s only redeeming factor was btfoing J and G carrying Iranian monkeys.>but all these Greeks thingsMost of Greek culture is IE, and most of those Greeks claims about the world, were wrong. Took Northern Europeans 800 years to go from caveman to Moon landing.The Greeks still aren’t even literate to the degree the poorest nation in Europe proper is.>but uh Northern Europe stole civilization from us example:Northern Europe has always been low density and 15 cavemen no matter their IQ will always be outdone by 150,000 brown monkeys. But if those 15 cavemen are given time, they reproduce, when they reach a population of 150,000, you will see their real potential as a race.The Greeks had a large population, lots of manpower, but due to their low IQ and shit tier gyro merchant behavior, they remained a backwater only remembered because some White guys in the 1700s were trying to find the root of fedora tipping.>NO NO NO BUT YOU NORDKEKS LIVED IN CAVE N SHEEIT These cavemen outpaced you in half the time it took for your civilization to reach its height, the height of being a low tech Iron Age society reminiscent of the chimpanzee exhibit.And when Greeks lived in caves they didn’t even have fire while Nordics were already dreaming of the Stars.
>>12361553greeks were shitskinsthat's not a real quote, it comes from a modern book and doesn't have a sourcepolemon himself was a cappadocian "greek", hence not a greek
>>12361532Ancient Greeks were Whiter than anyone outside of Europe, but they are the darkest in Europe.They’re still Europeans and a Greek is closer to a Swede than he is to (You).
>>12361573>greeks were shitskinsnope>that's not a real quoteit is, Polemon's words from "de physiognomonia liber arabice et latine", translated into english
>>12361511>This finding is best explained by either an unresolved distinctive ancestry of La Almoloya individuals or, alternatively, the ability to detect such subtle signals only in groups consisting of a larger number of individuals, as is the case for Almoloya_Argar_Early (n = 36) and Almoloya_Argar_Late (n = 22), which provide the statistical power to reject simpler models. Yes, and that ancestry is African, not Iranian.>we detect a previously unreported amount of Iran_N-like ancestry in central Mediterranean groups from Sardinia, ranging from 2.8 ± 1.2% in Sardinia_Chalcolithic to 5.8 ± 1% in Sardinia_Nuragic_BA.>These El Argar groups (Almoloya and Bastida) are also slightly shifted to the right on the PC1 axis, in the direction of Mediterranean BA groups with excess Iran_N-like ancestry, such as “Minoans,” who only carry Iran_N-like ancestry but not steppe-related ancestry, or “Mycenaeans,” who carry a mix of both (71), and that has also been shown for some BA individuals from Sicily_MBA (51) and for Sardinians here (Fig. 3A). This seems unlikely, to say the least, probably they're detecting something that isn't there. You can't detect something that wasn't detected before. >ogether, the results hint at an additional, albeit subtle, Iran_N-enriched ancestry that is present in SE_Iberia_CA groups and thus potentially predating the El Argar BA. No, they don't, they really don't.
>>12361511Cool how IEs in Spain were actually swarthier than the pre IEs>>12361560>btfoing J and GAncient Greeks were J2 and G2 though?
>>12361587>*posts a picture showing bronze age samples lighter than CA ones*braindead
>>12361560finally a based northern brother that has stopped pretending these ancient monkeys were "civilized" in the first placeeverything that they achieved pales in comparison to the modern worldancient romans and greeks were brownskins and their pedo philosophers aren't worth shit, an average modern scientist is 1000 times more useful and knowledgeable than those monkeys
>>12361536>they were white, not super white like northerners, but whiteDefinetely not. Your quote from late antiquity.
>>12361498Those Coriell samples come from the Attica region of Greece (as per Lazaridis et al., 2014 and its Supplementary Information).
>>12361580it's not a real quotepoloemon was an anatolian "greek", hence not greek>>12361579>Ancient Greeks were Whiter than anyone outside of Europethey were swarthy
>>12361602quote >>>> laughable reconstruction from a coping humiliated browncel
>>12361607>it's not a real quotecompletely real, you are desperate https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110975376.93/html
>>12361591>CA has more very pale skin, more red hair and blue eyes than BAall that happenes is that intermediate skin became more common but very pale became less common
>>12361602greeks were and are shitskinsi pity cucks like varg that feel the need to appropriate the pitiful "history" of these brown monkeys, those "civilizations" of the past were more garbage than modern saudi arabia or indiaonly the nordic created modern societyyour pedo philosophers aren't worth shit compared the masses of nordic scientists
>>12361618nice cherrypicking, you want me to quote the hair color of Achilles and Menelaus or the skin color of Athena too?
>>123616171 - polemon was himself not greek, but an anatolian2 - that's not a real quotebegone mudskin
>>12361620intermediate is the most standard skin color in Europe, and brown hair became too more widespreadblue eyes isn't surprising since it's a WHG trait
>>12361620CA has some outliers with light skin and blue eyes, but overall the BA are lighter. More intermediate, less dark. Iberian farmers were the darkest, darker than Anatolian and Balkan farmers.
>>12361618greeks were shitskins, even more than modern 35% steppe northern greeks that are themselves shitskinsi don't care, i'm not a cuck vargtardyour history is pitiful compared to my historyyour culture of pedo philosophers is meaningless and useless compared to my history of science
>>12361361That's a bad model. The most Slavic mixed Greeks are the most Barcin, that doesn't make sense. Greeks received additional post-neolithic admixture reflected in all that Natufian and Iranian ancestry. It's obviously much more than just few percent and at least 20-30% of Barcin isn't actually Barcin but post-neolithic Anatolia and/or Levant.
>>12361627>Homer>cherrypicking>noname from late antiquity>not cherrypickingPathetic cope. Ok, here's another quote from great classical Greek.
>>12361640CA has more red hair blue eyes and very pale skin so I deem them wh*toider than the BA Iberian bvlls
>>12361675>The most Slavic mixed Greeks are the most Barcin, that doesn't make senseit makes 100% sensethe other greeks are more southern while being less barcin thanks to anatolian admixturesame as in italy, north italians are more barcin than south italianssame as in spain, catalonians are more barcin than andalusians
Ah, pigmentation pigmentation pigmentation!
resentful brown cattle has literally made every discussion impossible on this board, it's truly pathetic what inferiority complex does to conquered people, I'm out
>>12361560>it's the dolph lundrgren posting american>>12361703bye
Repeating jokes over and over is a sign of autism
>>12361695Barcin is Anatolian admixture. Northerners tend to be more Barcin because southerners received additional post-neolithic admixture from the East. But this admixture is ancient. When the Slavs came they mixed with people who were more Cypriot-like than Mycenean or Empuries like.
>>12361607Dolph Lundgren is swarthy according to all color charts.
>>12361587There are only two samples and they aren’t even real Greeks.
>>12361734dolph lungren is nordicancient/modern greeks were/are swarthyi'm not the dolph lungren posting autisti couldn't care less about your "history"no one of your pedo philosophers is even 1/100th as accomplished as an average nordic scientist or mathematician or engineer like von neumann or Charles Babbage
>>12361730i think the admixture wasn't the same in the entire greek peninsula just like it wasn't the same in the italian peninsulanorth greeks has obviously less of that as you can tell by the lower iran_n and natufian
>>12361711>>12361723>we Meds built civilization and shitWhy didn’t you create penicillin?Why didn’t you reach the moon?Why didn’t you navigate the globe?Why didn’t you invent the combustion engine?Why didn’t you develop modern ethics?Why didn’t your National GDP exceed the change in my pocket? Why didn’t you colonize the world?>y-y-you started the race after us Shouldn’t we have lost to your head start?>y-y-you got lucky we did the heavy lifting for you The early medieval period was Northern European philosophers and inventors UNDOING and REFUTING all the horseshit Greek and Eastern “scientists” came up with.>uhhhh we said something intelligent once every 250 yearsYeah, you may have. But you’re overwhelmingly retarded and none of your previous works contributed even remotely to Northern European achievements, in fact Northern Europeans would likely be much farther along if they didn’t have correct the mistakes made by their illiterate neighbors.
>>12361730The two Northern samples are the MBA samples. You can probably draw a line betwen Yamnaya and Balkan CA and they will be there. They did not contribute much to modern Greeks (probably not even to ancient ones). The conclusion of that paper is clearly just wishful thinking.
Keep seeing the idea that Anatolian was spoken in Cernavoda, what I've seen from DNA shit makes it seem like it could have come into Anatolia through the Caucasus though. What if pre or proto Greek was spoken in a Cernavoda context, entered Anatolia and then entered Greece from there? Don't have the IQ to process all the info, but overall that seems possible based on what I understand. Don't understand why Cernavoda is looked at as the Anatolian language origin point.
>>12361782I don't see why Anatolian couldn't have arrived from the Caucasus
>>12361560>>12361770Europeans by relevance:1. Meds (Greeks, Italians, south French, Iberians, Jews). Have made a huge contribution to culture and science, created 5 great empires, started 3/5 key periods in European history (Antiquity, Renaissance, Age of Discovery) and contributed in subsequent periods.2. Celts (British, north French, south Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Dutch, Belgians). Have made a big contribution to culture and a huge to science, created 4 great empires, started 2/5 key periods in European history (Age of Enlightenment, Industrialisation).3. Balto-Slavs (west and east Slavs, Balts, east Germans, Hungarians). Have made an average contribution to culture and science, created 3 great empires.4. Illyro-Thracians (south "Slavs", Albanians, Romanians, Moldavans). Have made a very low contribution to culture and science, gave extremely many rulers to Western and Eastern Roman Empire, defended Europe from muslims.5. Germanics (Scandinavians, north Germans, Frisians). Have made a low contribution to culture and science, created 2 great empires, started the Dark Ages and Viking pirates age.6. Finno-Ugrians (Finns, some north and central Russian groups). Have made a very low contribution to culture and science.
>>12361799Most Anatolian languages are from West Anatolia.
>>12361816I don't want to join your dick comparisons but the English are Germanic
>>12361824Yeah but couldn't they have been pushed west or survived in the west/pushed out by incoming peoples to the east. Is there some kind of archaeology trail from Cernavoda into Anatolia?
>>12361837they speak germanic yes, but genetically mostly celts
>>12361816all those categories are meaningless garbagethere's only nordics (2-3-5-6 in your retarded classification) and non nordicsculture doesn't exist, your pedo philosophers aren't culture and no one reads themyou know what people do instead of reading your boring pedo philosophers? they have computers and phones, and use the internet, all invented by the nordics, von neumann, turing, babbage.. all the names behind it are nordic
>>12361845There's evidence of Cernavoda or rather post-Cernavoda (Cotofeni and so on)-West Anatolia trade.
>>12361858>they have computers and phones, and use the internet, all invented by the nordics, von neumann, turing, babbage..
>>12361770>Why didn’t you navigate the globe? They did. Colombus, Amerigo Vespucci, Pigafetta, Cabot/Cabotto, Pessagno; to name a few, or the whole Spanish race>Why didn’t you develop modern ethics? They did. Aquinas and hundreds of Italian philosophers.>Why didn’t your National GDP exceed the change in my pocket? It does>Why didn’t you colonize the world? They did. (Barsanti, Matteucci)
>>12361853Anglos are genetically/culturally/linguistically Germanic and made the greatest contributions to science while the rest of the world slept
>>12361858go eat burguers fat
>>12361886>Anglos are genetically/culturally/linguistically Germanicshizo
>>12361703are you going to cry hahahaha what a little bitch, coward like all your fucking people
>>12361901>says the idiot who denies that Anglos are GermanicYou would think the name gives it away
>>12361879cope retarded chartthose nordic people with brown hairs are genetically nordicyou don't have any arguments because you know i'm right, your shitty pedo aristotele is only looked up by a few pretentious faggots and some retarded self hating "nordicists" on 4chan that unironically think there's something admirable about your monkey history, the average citizen of ancient rome was worse off than an average modern pakistaniwhile we invented the modern worldthe phone/pc and the internet you are using are a nordic creation and unlike your shitty philosophers they are used by billions of people>>12361886don't fall for the cope, germanic and celtic are only language groupsthere's almost no difference between a swede and an english
>>12361921anglos are considered germanic because they speak germanic, you retard. genetically they are mostly celts
>>12361939"celt" doesn't exist as a genetic termthe english are nordic and far closer to a danish than to a "celt iberian" aka a mediterranean shitskin
>>12361926>germanic and celtic are only language groupsThey were also cultural groups. I don't buy into your belief about every great person in history being 'Nordic' and I don't buy into your dismissal of the differences between Celts and Germanics. I'm just saying that Anglos are undeniably Germanic and I don't care what the incel freaks here have to say about that.
>>12361953they are not and what do you care if you aren't anglo neither germanic
Yamnaya is irrelevant. All those archeologists and linguists backed the wrong horse. I doubt these supposedly Indo-Europeanized cultures from the Balkans were even Indo-European. For example the Mokrin samples do have steppe ancestry, but the Yamnaya Z2103 have been found only in graves without any grave goods. Even in Hungary, which is the last stop for all those steppe hordes Yamnaya Y-DNA got completely replaced by Beaker, post-CWC (Nitra culture) and Balkan Y-DNA.
>>12361956haploshits are not autosomalyou seem to be the one that is coping hard because you know it yourselfcelt doesn't exist as a genetic termit's just a cope term used by meds
>>12361864That seems flimsy
>>12361926There were also many great scientists and inventors among non-northern peoples. For example, the microprocessor was invented by Italian, Jew, Japanese, and swarthy American.
>>12361965I am though>>12361969Didn't Nitra also get replaced?
>>12361988haploshits are not autosomalan average "celtic" irish is closer to a polish, slovakian, czech or hungarian than to a "celt"iberian spaniardbut you know it already and you are just coping
>>12362006At least partially, yeah. A lot happened in Hungary. You have now people on anthrogenica claiming that the Balto-Slavic drift is actually from Hungary as you have those HG-heavy populations living there.
>>12362007keep coping germanic kangz, its you vs modern genetics
>>12362006>I am thoughsure, and im the king of saba lol
>>12362016Does 'Balto-Slavic' drift even exist outside of Eurogenes' G25? >Holy shit this ancient sample has high WHG, he must have been a Balto-Slav
>>12362004that's why i said 99%, almost all of what you are using a nordic creationand the american, Marcian Hoff, is a northern european, so not even that 1% of non nordic achievements are fully non nordic achievement99% of what you are using is a nordic creationyou shitty garbage philosophers from the past aren't worth shit, an average modern STEM graduate is more intelligent and knowledgeable than they wereyour ancient civilization was worse than modern pakistanyou were and are ugly swarthy people, while northern europeans are and were attractive
>>12362031Slavs have more HG, that's for sure.
>>12362050>you were and are ugly swarthy people, while northern europeans are and were attractivecope
Jesus can you faggots take your nord vs med faggotry elsewhere?
>>12362017i know you are a dumb subhuman retardbut haplogroups, posting the same chart over and over again won't change thatonly autosomal matters, that's why pakis aren't considered slavsyou may as well include south americans in your chart that have 50%+ r1bcelt doesn't exist, the irish and the british are nordicit's you vs actual modern genetics
>>12362069That's our entire history. farmer vs steppe (med vs nord)ancient civilizations vs northern barbarianscommunism vs fascism democracy vs monarchy revolution vs old regime The farmers steppe conflict shaped Europeans.
>>12362050>that's why i said 99%, almost all of what you are using a nordic creationIt is not true.>and the american, Marcian Hoff, is a northern european, so not even that 1% of non nordic achievements are fully non nordic achievementNo, he is brown-eyed and dark-haired American, not nordic.
>>12362064Don't people within this circled area have the most? I thought HG ancestry mainly survived in more northern climates
>>12362087>That's our entire history.No it's not. You would have to be an autistic shut-in retard in order for you to believe anything of the likes. I hope you and the insecure meds meet up in a bar somewhere and fist each other in privacy so the rest of us don't have to witness your faggotry.
>>12362078>celt doesn't exist, is just a fantasi believe me bro>irish wuzz nordicz and shieetyou can tell that as much as you can, but is not gonna change the fact is just a lie an Irish is way closely related to a Spaniards than to a cumskin
>>12362092Russians have a lot of it too
>>12362091>It is not true.it absolutely is>No, he is brown-eyed and dark-haired American, not nordic.he's genetically nordic, i don't care about your copesthis all stems from you knowing that i'm right, the modern world is a nordic creation, everywhere you look there are 50 nordic surnames and maybe 1 or 2 that aren'tup until now you only had to do deal with cuckolds like the dolph lungren posting autist, that think there was something even remotely good or admirable about ancient rome and greece and their garbage rampant paedophilia and homsexuality, or the extremely useless subject of philosophybut the reality is that nordic people have nothing to be jealous of, your shitty civilization was streetshitting indian tier, no it was probably worsewhile the nordic has created the world you are living in, the modern comfort that allows you to live like an ancient aristocrat is the result of nordic brainpower and nothing more
>>12362131>lie lie liekeep coping
>>12362016Yeah dude some Polish nationalists unironically believe it's from Swiderians
>>12362119>an Irish is way closely related to a Spaniards than to a cumskinand i'm the one coping?imagine believing an average light eyed/haired irish with northern european facial features that could pass as a local form norway to poland and that clusters with other northernwest europeans is supposedly identical to a spaniard "celt-iberian" or a north italian "cisalpine-celt"
>>12362092It didn't necessarily survive more in northern climates, it could have just happened to end up surviving more there due to different demographic processes/chance. Peripheral geographies have those ancestry properties over the world. Probably only rarely act as "sources" outside their boundaries. Probably even applies to Germanics if you go back far enough. Balto Slavic signatures could have originated well outside of Baltic regions.
>>12362131>it absolutely isDude...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_inventions_and_discoverieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_inventions_and_discoverieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_scientists>he's genetically nordicMany americans are med in origin.
>>12362174Does Baltic_BA ancestry count as 'Balto-Slavic' drift? In that case it doesn't even make sense to call it Balto-Slavic
>>12362144>>12362162literally 0 argumentsyou know that i'm rightyour retarded arguments only work when someone assumes ancient romans and greeks were accomplished and somehow "nordic"but they actually weren't, they were just brown meds living in a pitiful state that never improved the world(no, philosophy, homosexuality and paedophilia don't count as accomplishments)while the nordics created the modern world, the nordics created the modern comfortable lives you are living in, you live better than a shitty patrician during the roman empire thanks to the nordicswe are communicating at thousands of kilometers of distance thanks to the nordics, you are literate thanks to the nordics(the romans and greeks were 95% not literate) and the modern lifestyle that the nordic man has created
>>12362172>muh meme power pointyou are telling me that irish atlantid people is closer to fucking slavs that to the most genetically similar peoples of the atlantic aka france and Spain of with those who in the past shared a language and close commercial and cultural relations, an IM THE ONE COPING
>>12362197you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDICi knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordicthe french are also mostly nordics
>>12362212>youdidn't read lol
>>12362223>you are telling me that irish atlantid people is closer to fucking slavsyes>francefrench are nordic
>>123622360 arguments, exactly as i said
>>12362229>you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDIC>i knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordicLol, you're trolling me.>the french are also mostly nordicsNo, they are closer to meds than to nordics.
>>12362238>french are nordicI know this is bait but they're so not bro. It's hard to tell the difference between an Algerian and a French person most of the time.
>>12362229>you know very well that 99% of inventions are NORDIC>i knew the cherrypicking would be coming eventually but you can't escape the obvious truth, 99% of modern inventions are nordic>the french are also mostly nordics
>>12362205I have no idea honestly, could have come from Baltic regions too. I think calling it that should be fine though regardless due to it being mostly found among balts and slavs nowadays
>>12362238>french are nordicnice bait, sure you ve never been in france, completely undistinguishable from spaniards
>>12362250Wouldn't people like Estonians have plenty of it too?
>>12362244>Lol, you're trolling me.i'm not and you know it99% of modern inventions are nordic>>12362246french are mostly nordic
>>12362263Seems like they should, do they not?
>>12362270in this image there is a french and who spaniards, guess who
>>12362275I think they do. But they're clearly not Balto-Slavs, so why do we have to call Baltic_BA ancestry 'Balto-Slavic' drift? I bet Finns have it too. Finns and Estonians don't speak Balto-Slavic. Can everyone just stop calling it Balto-Slavic drift?
>>12362276i guess that you are a 20 IQ subhumani'm not gonna play your 20 IQ subhuman games
>>12362291hahaha you cant because they are practically the same genetically
>>12362297you are a 20IQ subhuman just like your 20IQ subhuman ancestorsyou should thank the nordic man if you don't live in squalor like them, you should thank the nordic man for being literate and using the internet
>>12362092Slavs and Balts have the most.
>>12362317Proof that Slavs have even nearly as much as Balts? Hard mode, no G25
>>12362327They have less than Balts but more than West Europeans.
>>12362327in old calculators they result as more whg than west europeans tooslavs have always been closer to balts
>>12362315seethe fat, I only thank the nordics for the blonde pussies that come everysummer looking for bronze cock
>>12362333Swedes have the most outside of Balts/Slavs, but Swedes seem to be mixed with some Uralics or something.
>>12362064>>12362317Why do Slavs look like femboys if they have the most HG?
>>12362333I don't see any proofs there buddy>>12362334Hard mode, no G25 and no even older more outdated calculators
>>12362344They don't have the most HG. They just wish they did.
>>12361536No, they were like modern meds, maybe even darker>>12361553>2nd centuryIrrelevant
>>12362338i'm not american if you didn't notice already you dumb 20 IQ subhumanthe ancient romans and greeks were worthless swarthy subhumans, that's the reality of your conditioneven the few med achievements (the ones that matter like science and math not useless garbage pedo homo philosophy)are modern and not from that period99% of the modern world is a nordic inventionyour modern lifestyle, comparable to an ancient upper class individual is the fruit of nordic labor and brain power>>12362338>>12362065you can post mednigger men all you want, it won't change this fact
>>12362346>>12362353>>12362346north slavs have always been close to balts, you can see it even without "calculators", they both have those slavoid-baltoid-finnoid paceswhile west europeans have always been more shifted towards them med>Why do Slavs look like femboys if they have the most HG?first, do not underestimate selectionsecond, HG doesn't mean anything, whgs were not particularly robust
>200+ posts>24 posters
>>12362385WHGs were the most robust people to ever live in EuropeExcept for me of course. I'm the most HG of them all while the rest of you ITT are all sissies.
>>12362393whgs weren't particularly robust and were also pretty short as is the case for many hgssome older european hgs were a lot more robust and tallhgs being necessarily more robust is a myth
>>12362409>whgs weren't particularly robustThey had extremely robust skulls. >some older european hgs were a lot more robust and tallThey were taller but equally robust with the exception of some IUP HGs
>>12362411you are confusing them for other older european hgswhgs didn't have robust skulls and were pretty short
>>12362415Nonsense. La Brana, Loschbour dude, Oberkassel and others were more robust than anything outside of Europe and equally robust as older European HGs
>>12362367shut up and send more gibs, as you say, you work and use your brain, I enjoy the profit
>>12362425Oberkassel isn't WHG
>>12362425la brana and Loschbour are not particularly robust compared to modern europeansOberkassel is pretty robust but not a whg
>>12362437He's 14 000 years old so he should be
>>12362435you are an homosexual, that's why you posted that male model >>12362338
>>12362452>la brana and Loschbour are not particularly robust compared to modern europeansIdiot detected, opinions disregarded
>>12362461it doesn't look particularly robust compared to modern europeans
>>12362482Then you're an idiot. His measurements are more robust than even the most robust of modern humans.
>>12362491no they aren't
>>12362482imagine meeting this tiny gracile HGs
>>12362494>huge brow ridges>high and pronounced cheekbones>strong as hell jawbones>larger skull volume>greater brain size
>>12362519that jawline is strongish, not strong as hellsame for all the other featurescan i give you a little advice?the next time you have to say things that aren't true, try not to exaggerate too much, mix reality with fiction, so the lie sounds more believable
>>12362529Anthropologists consider Mesolithic Europeans to be the most robust
>>12362532no they don'tagain, when you have to tell some lie try to mix reality with fiction, for example here you could have said something like "Anthropologists consider Mesolithic Europeans to be kinda robust"this would have been more believable, if you say things like "the most robust in the world" the lie will be easier to find out
>>12362543They literally do. You don't even know their measurements but still talk a bunch. Every CM phenotype in modern Europe comes from them.
>>12361519>E-V13 is EuropeanYou wish. Picrel raped Greeks into existence lol.
>>12362552they literally do notthe phenotypes from humanphenotypes.net aren't real, anon
the fact that the large majority of E in europe is e-v13 just shows that berbercuckolds didn't leave male traces in europe LOL
>>12362560>they literally do notCopeseethedilate, you don't know the first thing about physical anthropology. Mesolithic Europeans were much more robust than Yamnaya.
>>12362576>no mesolithic european in the chartunabashedly based retard
>>12362584https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5094Mesolithics were more robust than all of them, go cry about it
>>12362569YWNBAW (You Will Never Be A Whiteman)
>>12362587>https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5094>literally doesn't mention steppe people or later ehgs, only whgs and earlier euro hgs>concludes that earlier euro hgs were more rebust than whgs and post-LGM HGs populations of Europe also underwent a significant decrease in overall body sizeunabashedly based retard
>>12362598sorry what?i'm just laughing at the cucked berbersare you a berber by any chance?
>>12362601You're too dumb to even understand it, color me surprisedLa Brana for example has a greater MBL and MFB than every Yamnaya skull. Steppe niggas were some horsefaced people, go cwy about it
>>12362620steppe people were longfaced but robustwhgs were more "widefaced" but it doesn't take much to be more widefaced than a steppe, they were very long facedit's not an indication of robustness, overall the study agrees that they weren't very robust, and underwent a significant decrease in robustness and body size compared to pre LGM populations
>>12362647>overall the study agrees that they weren't very robustNot at all. You're an idiot or some delusional biased faggot. Steppe people were only robust compared to farmcels.
>>12362624i don't see the problem with those 2 european haplogroupsdid you really get this much angry at my statement?you must be a berberi'm really sorry but berber men are cuckolds that like to be conquered by other poeple
>>12362651read the study man, it's all therewhgs were not particularly robust and were also short
>>12362660They were extremely robust. Even more gracile WHGs had greater cranial volume, MBL and MFB than steppe niggasYou WILL suck my balls and you WILL like it sir
>>12360903"Turks" are mystery meats of Greeks, Arabs, Iranians and original Asian Turks. There is no way to find a "Turkish haplogroup".
>>12362670again, you should really hear my advice, when you lie try to mix lies with some truth, don't go all in and claim stuff like "the mostest robustest in the world", if you do that, the lie becomes less believable, much easier to find outi mean it's still a lie and not true and easily to be called out by more experienced posters such as myself, but if you follow this simple advice you could convince some less experienced posters
>>12362692You don't know the first thing about the measurements of Mesolithic European skulls or steppecel skulls for that matter, embarrassing
>>12362701i do, hence why i told you right away how wrong you were
>12362706Do not reply to my posts
>>12362719can i give you another advice?don't do that, it sounds like an admission of defeat, i mean in this case it is an actual admission of defeat, obviously i was right, but the next time, even if you lost the argument don't show your defeat in such a blatant way
>>12362735I think I won't be taking advice from someone who knows as little as you do but thanks
>>12362737man, you were simply wrong, it happens sometimesjust accept it and move on
>>12362746Repeating your lies will not make them any less untrueThere's a reason why in European physical anthropology Mesolithic influence = more robust
>>12362750>Repeating your lies will not make them any less untruewere you talking to the mirror when you typed this?>There's a reason why in European physical anthropology Mesolithic influence = more robusthumeanphenotypes.net isn't real science anon
>humeanphenotypes.netOnly you have mentioned that site so farYou have clearly never read any literature on this topic so just be quiet, obnoxious faggot
>>12362766yeah, "literature on this topic" like german anthropology from 90 years ago, very reliable and totally non biased stuff>he doesn't quote meanon, stop living in fearyou are silently admitting more and more your defeat
>>12362786>like german anthropology from 90 years ago, very reliable and totally non biased stuffThe skull measurements are reliable because they never change, how much of a retard are you
>>12362802the skull measurements on ancient skulls confirm what i said, whgs were not particularly robustanthropology from 90 years ago with all its "alpinids", "atlanto-mediterraneans" and "taurids" is still not real and has nothing do with that, anon
>>12362814>the skull measurements on ancient skulls confirm what i said, whgs were not particularly robustNo, Mesolithic skulls are some of the most robust everAt this point I think you must be mentally ill
>>12362822anon, you were proven wrong in this very thread, multiple times, with the studies you posted yourselfi think it's time to admit you were wrong and move on, you are either mentally ill or worse: trying to save face, try to salvage the disaster you put yourself into
I have U5 haplogroup
>>12362653I take it you are one of these bleached niggers in denial about their paternal DNA originating inside Mbudu's charcoal black ballsack.
>>12361969How do you know for sure?
>>12360976Off topic but where do you guys find these target/distance to things and how do I use it?
>>12363336Can I use this with my own DNA?
>>12363381Yeah but you need Davidski coordinates, can't buy those anywhere at the moment
>>12361883>people who were more proximal to Northern Europeans and who existed under Northern European regimes emulated Northern Europeans lol>Aquinas not Kant.>hundreds of Italian philosophersnot relevant to our society.>it doesIt never once did.>they did>literal who????
>>12361816>Meds have made a huge contributionnope. They have contributed next to nothing in terms of what differentiates the Western World from the Greek world.>Jewsnot meds.>Celts, Slavs, Germanicssame people, all closer to eachother than to Meds.a random Welshman in Patagonia is closer to a random Russian living on the Korean border than either of them are to Meds.
>>12363658They constantly supply your women with fresh DNA everyday, simple as.
>>12361519Exactly. Haplogroup E is like twice as old as haplogroup R so it had spread before “white” ppl even existed. E-V13 is very old as well its a branch that survived in Europe
>>12362624Nobody wants to be an R1b rapebaby. Haplogroup E is so goddamn old a random ass branch of it in Europe is pretty normal. Haplogroup E in Europe was probably brought in during the neolithic along with the neolithic farmers from Anatolia. Also there is a E-V13 all over Europe retard. You are telling me that the Berbers got all the way up to Sweden?
>>12361879>hair color is what determines raceDo Meds really?>>12362004built directly using progress from Northern Europeans.And further added to by Northern Europeans from Northern European founded nations.>>12362065>the rare Med with a Celtic phenotype
>>12362385>>12362409WHGs were extremely robust, some of them looked like Neanderthals except with giga chad chins.They are literal monkeymode humans from 900k BC who survived into the modern era.
>>12363821>45 year old Nordic milfs go to South Europe to drain their males of their life force in exchange for.... nothingYou wouldn't get it guido, you think with your balls, which are small, and not with your brain, which is also small.
>>12362482La Brana's chest was as wide as two modern humans.The man would have looked like an oversized gorilla.
>>12362437He was, he shares a lot of DNA with WHGs and WHGs also inherited a lot from him.WHGs went through a handful of bottlenecks and were themselves the result of various groups of HGs who lived in Europe for the past 70,000 years.For Example, La Brana, archetype of WHGs has DNA segments which are so old they are close to archaic East Eurasians.
>>12363997WHG have nothing to do with UP HG
>>12362064>>12362092>>12362174WHG is concentrated highly in Balts and Basques, then in Scots/Irish and Norwegians, then in Anglos and Swedes, then its more at trace levels in the rest of Europe.Most WHG in Europeans comes from WHG rich farmers replacing less WHG rich farmers, not from WHGs directly, but I assume WHGs may have contributed directly due to some relict group in the highlands of Scotland, Pyrenees of Spain, Mountains of Norway or some Baltic Island.>>12362249>>12362244French are closer to Swedes than they are to Italians or Spaniards.>muh colorsI remember being 15
>>12362276>>12362297I agree, they are the same, both are Gallic (Nordic) descended.
>>12362223>b-b-but our myths tells us they wuz Medz typical medmonkey, laughing at science.
>>12364001I mean, 100% of humans descend from HGs in the UP.So yes in a basic way they do, but its deeper than such a basal link.WHGs inherited DNA from all prior Europeans, even the ones who they replaced, the East Asian like Europeans.It varied somewhat by region, for instance Villabruna being purely WHG, loschbour being more shifted toward UP Oberkassel like Men, and La Brana retaining that Tianyuan/Ust Ishim like admixture.
>>12363650>KantOverrated as evidenced by modern society of the last century
daily remainderancient romans and greeks were swarthy mudskins
>>12363650You didn’t refute one thing I said
>>12365089you put forth no arguments and therefore nothing to be refuted.
>>12363658>not meds.ashkenazi are meds>a random Welshman in Patagonia is closer to a random Russian living on the Korean border than either of them are to Meds.false
>>12360634And Asia, and Africa. Greece was on major trade routes for like 2+ thousand years so...
>>12363381You can but you must give a few sheqels alongside your raw data to Davidski.
>>12364017There's more HG (I'm not saying WHG as it's probably Baltic HG or whatever) in Western/Eastern Slavs than in any Westerners except Basques. Poles, Ukrainians, Balarusians all have more than for example English.
>>12362701You sound like a retarded amerimutt tbqh.
>>12362258Cope. Ethnic French are whiter than Southron mutts.
>>12365307Target: PolishDistance: 6.0021% / 0.0600207850.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara33.0 TUR_Barcin_N16.2 WHGTarget: LatvianDistance: 8.3215% / 0.0832151956.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara21.8 WHG21.4 TUR_Barcin_NTarget: EnglishDistance: 4.7162% / 0.0471622847.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara38.6 TUR_Barcin_N14.2 WHGBut this difference is more visible when the farmer ancestry is taken from WHG-heavy GAC. Target: PolishDistance: 5.7502% / 0.0575018550.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara45.2 POL_Globular_Amphora4.4 WHGTarget: LatvianDistance: 8.2057% / 0.0820571856.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara29.4 POL_Globular_Amphora14.2 WHGTarget: EnglishDistance: 3.1203% / 0.0312029754.0 POL_Globular_Amphora46.0 Yamnaya_RUS_SamaraTarget: IrishDistance: 3.3942% / 0.0339424550.8 POL_Globular_Amphora48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara0.6 WHGWestern Europeans pretty much don't need additional WHG ancestry when GAC is in the model.
>>12365352Most french are dark-haired and brown-eyed.
>>12365360None of the models are valid with distances like that
>>12365372You won't get much better distances with such ancient populations.
>>12365365Ethnic French were 59% blue eyed/gray eyed and only 13% shit eyed at the time of the First French Empire. This just shows that Arabtalians and Iberberians are as threatening to the White race than their Arab brothers.
>>12365382NOT VALID (^__^)
>>12365360Prove it. Hard mode, no G25
>>12365395Fake. 90% of great French people I know have brown eyes.
>>12365492Nice annectodal evicence, but cold are facts >>12365395 show that French were Nordic-tier prior to being flooded with mongrel abominations from Southern "Europe".
>>12365519Intellectual elite of French and most of their great people looked like typical Meds. You can cope as much as you want.
>>12365541French elite was nordic
>>12365209Askenazi are definitely not Meds, they are more like Cypriots. They cluster inbetween Meds and Levantines but are closer to levantines genetically.>>12365365If you were to gather all brown haired brown eyed Norwegians and put them on an island together, and they only reproduce people like themselves, say they had 10% blue eyes, 5% blonde hair, the rest being varying shades of brown, would you call them Meds?
>>12365780>If you were to gather all brown haired brown eyed Norwegians and put them on an island together, and they only reproduce people like themselves, say they had 10% blue eyes, 5% blonde hair, the rest being varying shades of brown, would you call them Meds?Impossible scenario in reality.
>>12365702>>12365541>>12365709>>12365797Nice paintings, however...
>>12365797How is it impossible?
>>12365780>Cypriots aren't Medslol