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Well?
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Yes
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>>12358569
>>12358556
>leftoids are seething because they are poor and can't compete in the market
>leftoids are rich hypocrites lol
get your shit together.
Engels was a rich man, didn't stop him from making a huge contribution to the working class revolutionary movement
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>>12358556
Yes, that's a well.
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>>12358582
and what did that contribution lead to
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>>12358569
How do you buy $12 coffee? The drinks without additions are $6-7 max. With $12 you could buy dinner, or 2 bags of coffee beans and make it yourself.
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>>12358596
Largest nation in the world became communist and experienced unprecedented economic growth.
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>>12358596
Genocides, forced starvations, misery and third world shitholes
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>>12358582
>>leftoids are seething because they are poor and can't compete in the market
Who are you quoting, based retard?
>>leftoids are rich hypocrites lol
Its a fairly accurate characterization and has been for a very long time. Modern first world leftists are overwhelmingly young affluent whites attracted to fringe communities and identities.
>>12358598
You add all the shit that makes you diabetic by the time you're 40.
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>>12358596
first man on space
bourgeoisie scarred for life of the wagies
half of the globe under red control
and that was just round one bucko
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>>12358556
Don't Nafris wear that style of hat?
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>>12358556
Any solution to a societal problem that involves individuals just chosing the "correct thing" will automatically fail. Liberal/libertarian answers to societal problems don't work.
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>>12358596
The complete humiliation and eternal defeat of communism and the working class.
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>>12358556
They do it without knowing

t. Zizek
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>>12358610
Even my uncles ridiculous candy drink is only 7.50
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>>12358610
Young affluent people basically no longer exist as a class in the west. Not in the numbers for a poltical movement anyway.
Lots of downwardly mobile people from well-off families who know they'll never have what their parents did though.
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>>12358938
>Not in the numbers for a poltical movement anyway.
I know, that's why I think that its a godsend that the modern left is so fucking stupid and misguided. Keeps them irrelevant and away from power.
>It’s still largely an organization made up of well-educated young people. The data on DSA’s demographic composition, though limited, are striking. According to the 2017 membership survey (N.B. with only a 16% response rate), DSA is composed of wealthy, college-educated millennials, with few ties to the organized labor movement. In 2017, nearly a third of members (29%) earned over $100,000 in household income per year. The plurality (21%) of those surveyed identified as “private sector white-collar workers,” with students (9%) and academics (9%) following closely behind. Moreover, only 6% of survey respondents were union members—just over half of the unionization rate in the US in 2017, which was 10.7%.
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/05/which-way-forward-for-the-democratic-socialist-left
Absolutely fucking worthless, and that is why I love them.
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>>12358556
>>12358569
Hypocrisy hunting is just the bastard child of tu quoque and the Nirvana fallacy
If I have to choose between being a hypocrite and being delusional, I'll be a hypocrite any day of the week
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>>12358556
We should improve society somewhat. I am not going to improve society by myself and stop doing bad things just so someone else can do worse. I'm only going to do good as long as there is a social contract that also makes other people do good.
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>>12358598
There's a new one of these "common, widely available consumer good is actually a hard to obtain expensive luxury that marks you as an out-of-touch elite" roughly every five to seven years. Smartphones are the big one now, but I'm old enough to remember when it was arugula, dijon mustard and boutique coffee.
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>>12358598
I get iced Capp for 4.75 in Canada, if you need more than that as a coffee luxury then you're a sugar-addicted SOIBOI
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>>12359476
Its not hypocrisy hunting for its own sake, its highlighting that supposed leftists are walking contradictions and ultimately larpers. This reveals that they're full of shit, in other words.
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>>12359895
>contradictions
How does OP's pic prove that? That's just incel rightist and boomers with no social life who think like OP.
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>>12359898
What they’re saying is people who claim to be leftists are buying clothes and toys made by exploited people that they absolutely do not need to buy.
It casts doubt on if you actually believe in your principles or are instead motivated by clout and fitting in with a fashionable ideology.
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>>12359898
If you are a leftist, and you genuinely believe in what you are saying, yet you on average are part of the very class that your politics are supposed to tear down (>>12358959), it brings into question your convictions. Don't get me wrong, class traitors exist, but an entire army of them? Nah.
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>>12359914
Considering everything is made by exploited people what choice does the average person have? They never moved all the production lines to China.
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>>12359946
Buying as little of that stuff as possible beyond keeping your job
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>>12359954
You're looking at the wrong kind of leftists friend, they not real leftists, a real leftist doesn't own an iPhone, drink cocacola, wear gucci, etc. Those are mostly zoomers though. Plus they've been raised by the kardashians and snapchat propaganda.
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>>12359937
>socialists are just poor people with shitty lives!
>socialists are all spoiled rich kids!
All this recourse to ad hominem and classcucks can't even get their story straight.
Communism is the Other. There are no stereotypes about ideologically liberal capitalist people (although there are about people who own major capital) because it's the norm. Background radiation. Communists are those uncool fat losers and/or bloodthirsty maniacs because they threaten the existing system, even though most interactions normies have with fringe ideologues is online and anonymous, so these caricatures can be completely invented. Likewise, communism kills people despite being an abstraction. Capitalism does not kill people, although we might speak of allied war crimes, a CIA backed coup, colonialism, American military operations etc. these are all the sole responsibility of the specific parties involved, not the ideology that motivates their atrocities or legitimizes their rule.
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>>12359969
Anon people are talking about the multitudes of self proclaimed leftists that actually do live beyond the means of a hippie lifestyle, who very obviously far outnumber the hippies
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>>12360009
>who very obviously far outnumber the hippies
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>>12360001
>Leading with a maymay I already responded to in detail earlier
Not reading past the meme arrows, read the thread then try again or eat a bullet
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>>12359954
But even if the did that you would just make another arbitrarily high, impossibly perfect ethical standard to hold them to while continuing with your own terrible behavior, making the whole exercise meaningless.
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>>12360014
Leftism is popular amongst people born after 1985 and a very small portion of those leftists consume like hippies that care about not buying consumerist corporate products made in sweatshops.

This is why people hate leftists man, you’re not fooling anyone. Accept faults and try to fix them, don’t act like you don’t have them.
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>>12360019
You set those standards when you claim to be a leftist aiming for global revolution by seizing the means of production for all people on earth. If you can’t live up to your own standards stop pretending you have them
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>>12358556
>>12358610
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>>12360035
>If you can’t live up to your own standards stop pretending you have them
I got that you were wrong the first time. You don't need to keep repeating your wrongness.
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>>12360001
This is type of schizo shit that should land you in a mental ward. I can not imagine being so mentally ill you think all the deaths caused by communism are CIA lies. You need medication.
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>>12360025
https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2020/
simple as, and btw choosing to focus on the retarded side of the left is beyond retarded, I wouldn't give a fuck about what any of those retards have to say, they're retards to begin with
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>>12360042
You
>GUYS! GUYS! GUYS! WE SHOULD TOTALLY TRUST THE JUDGEMENT OF SOMEONE WHO WISHES THAT WE LIVE BY THEIR PRINCIPLES WHEN DO NOT!
Yes, I should give up my wealth, put myself at a disadvantage, while you take everything. Yes, you're right, I'm suppose let the state take all my money while you lose nothing because its for the "greater good." Fuck with your snake oil scam, bitch.
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>>12360042
It’s not consistent with your CURRENT actions. If this is something you did in the past that’s fine, but don’t tell me you care about exploited workers in other nations and then buy something from that sweatshop you do not need.
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>>12360042
>You see, buying a mansion in West Hollywood is literally the same thing as a smoking habit so you should stop bitching about me larping as a communist
k lmao
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Exploitation is necessary for survival. Socialists saying we should stop exploitation would mean we would have kill off humanity because exploiting natural resources, non-human animals is how we build our homes, food and power our livings. Leftism is retarded.
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>>12360042
Anon this is literally the exact same logic as an anti-gay preacher sucking Dick at a truck stop.
Don’t try and lecture people on morality when you do exactly what you chastise others for. Everyone and their mother can just see it’s you cooking up an excuse to lecture others and feel like you’re morally superior
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true, you can't complain about criminality if you commit crimes everyday.
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>>12358606
You're leaving a part out you disingenuous fuck. Who do you think you're kidding?
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>>12358606
Wonder what made that happen
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>>12358606
>unprecedented economic growth.
How could it be unprecedented when every country in the West grew faster? Japan grew faster than the USSR. Taiwan did too. So did South Korea. So did fucking Finland, at the same time of Stalin's policies. And that growth was only possible because of American engineers. And why are you commies talking about growth - I thought you didn't believe in GDP per capita?
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>>12360001
>that pic
what this person doesn't understand is mob mentality, yes the vast majority of antifa are weak "basedboys" who would never do anything alone but when together in a pack they become extremely aggressive and violent
t. been on both sides of a violent mob
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>capitalism
it works every time, kek
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>>12360149
Why does a few homeless drug addicts represent capitalism better than the millions who own homes under it? Are we suppose to leave that fact out because it hurts your leftist feelings, junkie?
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>>12360170
Africa or the #1 capitalist power in the world? It just works!
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>Communist because junkies make me sad
lmao
go on, post another one
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>>12360179
human disposition is also a factor for capitalism to suceed, if a country doesn't want to work, of course it will be miserable.

in fact, pointing out africa's failure is counterproductive for the leftist agenda, since africa is a thousand times richer in resources and raw materials than the rest of the world, and could easily achieve autarky, yet they are unable to do so.

on the other hand, countries that have no natural resources at all, such as switzerland, are financial paradises. i think that speaks volumes about a certain human component that marxists ignore.
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>>12360202
just for you, cause I love brainlets seething. It just works bro!
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>>12360214
Based. Here, I'll add one of the cops clearing these junkie fucks out of one of our beautiful parks.
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>>12360212
>waaaah Marxism
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>>12360224
nice, there's some more to clean up though, careful to not step on human shit on the park lmfao
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>>12360231
i don't care about marxism, tho. i'm just explaining theory.
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>>12360069
Take your meds
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>>12360232
>careful to not step on human shit
Bold of you to assume I don't laugh at California's misery from a continental distance. Still, retards getting smacked is enjoyable worldwide. Post one from Venice Beach next.
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>>12360179
>>12360214
>>12360224
>>12360232
why is capitalism so superior bros?
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>>12360235
For someone who doesn't care about it you seem to be keen on mentioning it a lot.
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>>12360241
>mentioning it a lot.
i mentioned it once.
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>>12360245
My mistake - you default to throwing around "leftist" instead usually.
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>>12360237
Just post a white flag bitch, don’t embarrass yourself.

Buying from sweatshops while bemoaning the immorality of sweatshops is a meaningless and hollow morality signaling.
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>>12360149
>>12360179
There are 568k homeless, 0.17% of the population, and we spend over $2t on social spending each year, spending $12k on rent for each would only cost $6.8b, and we probably wouldn't even need to spend that much.

It is not a case of capitalism needing to be abolished or eating the rich, rather a case of those who control America's vast social spending deciding not to spend on the homeless.
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>>12360278
>that means it's working
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>>12358556
Yes, that is in fact a well.
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>>12359476
false dichotomy.
>hurr if I had to choose between hypocrisy and everyone on earth getting killed by an asteroid I'd choose hypocrisy
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>>12360299
>literal pilpul gaslighting
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>>12358582
>leftoids are seething because they are poor and can't compete in the market
> Implying there is a market that people can compete in
Every brand is owned by 1 or 2 global corporations, there's literal mountains of legislation and standards that prevent new business start-ups, and patent sharking prevents any successful innovation that could challenge existing corporate hegemons.

My eternal problem is lefties will agree with me on the above and that the current system is shit for pretty much everyone, but then do a triple 180 flip and advocate for a giant corporation that manages the country via communism/nationalising industries.
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>>12360687
you are infantile if you believe the bourgeois state/corporate complex can be just reformed, or that it will simply disappear.
if you want to end the current state of affairs you needs a revolution, followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat to completely change the economic system in place. If you think this can be done by just people holding hands and not expropriating anyone, not imprisoning anyone etc... then you are an infantile anarchist.
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>>12360859
>dude we need a literal communist revolution you infantile anarchist
oh, we're the infantile ones here

no, we just need to remove kickbacks like the "mountains of legislation and standards that prevent new business start-ups, and patent sharking" >>12360687 mentioned, it is so fucking simple, if you stopped shrieking about how "objectivity is white supremacism" and focussed on real issues we could make it happen, but you prefer to push for affirmative action, diversity and so on to drag middle and working class white people down, instead of bringing the elite to book you screech to increase their power so they can violate the rights of fellow citizens and bring you your pound of flesh

unfortunately the voting populace needs to be high IQ and emotionally stable enough to understand this, so you will never stop trying to drag us down and destroy American liberty and everything is stands for, ironically the very reason southrons were told to fuck off and stop oppressing black people in the first place, in Turkey Armenians are still treated like shit, Iranians treat Baluchi like shit, Han treat Uyghur like shit, while in America black people get special privileges and entitlements, yet America and the west is pure evil, we're the bad guys and somehow still to blame for all your problems even as we let you get whatever you demand, that is how you undermine democracy, lower the intelligence of voters, they have finally found a way to undermine democracy in the form of you, the death knell of America
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>>12358556
>Well?
You can't even verbalize an actual argument.
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>>12360859
Well, yeah, but that wasn't what I was getting at.
My point is lefties will agree with me that the current system, a corporate monopoly on all aspects in cahoots with the government, is shit and serves no one. They will then advocate for everything to be nationalised and for the government to run everything. Its like they cant see past the paper mask the Cathedral wears to trick retards into thinking free markets and private corporations are still a thing.
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>Improve society
UBI
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>>12360961
>They will then advocate for everything to be nationalised and for the government to run everything.
They are not talking about the same government that we have now, you absolute dimwit.
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>>12360961
you conflate bourgeois corporate state with what socialist revolution would do. if you think the only dichotomy is between centralised and decentralised power you are just brainwashed by rightoid propaganda. Same as this >>12360911 guy
>instead of bringing the elite to book you screech to increase their power
which is absolutely insane. a socialist revolution would expropriate bill gates, the Koch brothers, Google etc... the elite would be literally all imprisoned or executed. Instead you just want to what, pass some legislation to somehow keep them at bay.
If you want to bring down the elites you need a revolution, you need to expropriate them and put them in fucking prison. otherwise you'll always just play the rigged democratic game and never win
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>>12360972
>UBI
Magic horsies that shit rainbow are no less realistic.
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>>12360025
>>dude the worst people ever who hold what I think is your ideology are bad so you are too
Great. Can I discount you entirely because Trump cultists and neo nazis are obnoxious? Of course I can. Now eat shit and watch this line go up.
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>>12361013
You call us fools and yet your proposal is just a more violent version of the solution you criticise. Legislation and executing Bill Gates don't solve the core problem. The problem is not that there is a council of hooded elites sitting on the boards of a few companies controlling the world, it would be a lot simpler if that were the case.

The problem is every facet of society; all mainstream media, all brands and consumer products, all education, all government departments, all corporations, are all intertwined and made to progress the cause of globohomo. To atomize every individual, to strip them of any agency and any structures that aren't the state. To produce a society of customers. Even if you execute the heads of a few companies the structure still remains and will still operate as is. You need to either escape the system somehow or bring literally everything down to do a full reset.
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>>12361182
structure won't remain after a revolution. that's literally what a revolution is. the new structure would be based on workers control. it's literally a full "reset"
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>>12361182
>the problem isn't capitalism, it's this long-form description of capitalism!

i'm actually optimistic for you being able to pull your head out of the reactionary propaganda asscrack, you plainly stated the necessity of the dictatorship of the proletariat but don't yet realize it.

the globohomo you hate is just the latest mask from the same capitalist machine that taught you and your parents to knee-jerk at the mention of socialism or revolution. you see through the mask now because porky's greed had made the contradictions inherent in capitalism undeniable.

read blackshirts and reds, think it could be an eye opener for you.
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>>12361210
>let me tell you what you believe
>let me divine this hypothetical scenario for you and see how exactly it proves me right
Fuck off
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>>12361531
so you believe capitalism is fucked up, the globohomo cabal is running everything, we are doomed to slavery and all you propose against that is... not revolution? maybe some decentralised bitcoin circlejerk? maybe voting for some guy that will definitely drain the swamp?
the working class is the only class with revolutionary potential, and a historical drive to destroy the bourgeoisie and erect something better on top.
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>>12360268
He mentioned leftists only once as well.
You have problems.
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>>12361566
I suppose I agree to a revolution only in the sense that the entire system needs to be burned down, its so rotten and irredeemable that you cant really do anything useful with it.
>>12361357
> Implying that power can be bottom-up and that a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" wont be co-opted into a regular dictatorship
yeah, and you think I'm up my own arse.
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>>12359520
He tried to warn you.
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You can't improve society, society has already collapsed.
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>>12361880
>I suppose I agree to a revolution only in the sense that the entire system needs to be burned down, its so rotten and irredeemable that you cant really do anything useful with it.
I too look forward to the feudalism that will rise after we have torn down our civilization.
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>>12358556
more like this
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>>12360961
>muh cathedral

Moldbug is the definition of an useful idiot and so are you
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>>12362860
>born into poverty? can't find a job because of a macroeconomic crisis? Unable to afford education? sounds like a case of bad life choices
lol
I would only accept that argument if inheritance was abolished and everyone was raised the same
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>>12362771
woah dude, so deep
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>>12362867
your socialist schemes will only make things worse for the poorer
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>>12362876
regardless of what could be done to fix the situation, your personal responsibility "argument" is bullshit
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>>12362888
well most poor fucks did deserve their situation
and those who can rise up are fucked because of socialism
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>>12362911
>well most poor fucks did deserve their situation
source???
not to mention the large amount of trust fund kiddies who never had to work a day in their lives to get their position
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>>12362919
>source???
actually living with them?
they have zero responsibilities and pop out kids like its nothing
not to mention drug addicts etc
those who are smart enough to leave poverty are fucked with economical crisis due to socialism made to save these retards
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>>12362940
>just trust me bro
>also we are living in socialism
you are mentally enfeebled
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>SOURCE??
go back to r*ddit
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>>12362959
>make wild unsubstantiated claim
>call people Reddit when cornered
how is it that you people haven't already realised that soidjack posting is anything but an admission of defeat at this point?
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>>12362981
>People become homeless opioid epidemics due to bad personal choices
>SEE WHAT CAPITALISM DID!?!?!? IT MADE THE JUNKIE ADDICTED TO DRUGS! ITS CAPITALISM'S FAULT HE BUYS DRUGS INSTEAD OF HOUSING
Fuck off with the woke non-sense, faggot. Socialism is just an excuse for you to avoid have adult responsibilities.
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>12 hours later
>Still trying to argue that communism is necessary because junkies
No wonder the left is dead, god damn.
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>>12363223
Yes, we have the RIGHT to step on human shit on the street.
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>>12358582
Lefties seethe because they are trust fund babies that don't know how to manage money and are therefore retarded
>t. Michelle Pfiffers food stamp limes
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>>12358556
I mean, we are on 4chan, objectively the worst part of society.
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>>12360001
>unironicly posting a Pic this retarded
A 30 yo bodybuilder would probably be defeated by twenty 14 yo Olds. That doesn't mean a 14 yo isn't way weaker than a 30 yo bodybuilder.
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>>12363241
Not everyone lives in leftist controlled cities retard. Fix your own shit.
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>>12363426
America #1 capitalist counry. America, land of the homeless opioid epidemic. Where every citizen hast teh RIGHT to step on human shit.
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>>12363444
You wish it was captilist. Unfortunately since leftists control cities like Pic related, their socialist polices and regulations led to such "epidemic".
Only a further proof of how incompetent leftists and the government is.
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>>12363444
>more pics of gutter trash too busy shooting up to be concerned with basic civilized behavior like not shitting all over the sidewalk like a fucking animal
what an odd hill to die on. by all means, feel free to dump the rest of your collection
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>>12363515
>>12363524
>"that means it's working"
lulz
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>>12363533
>that means I'm coping.
Stop voting democrat dipshit.
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>>12363538
Leftists are useful idiots and masochists. They can't.
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>>12363538
enjoy your capitalist utopia faggot lmfao
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The funny part about this meme is that the improved society from Feudalism is capitalism, and it wasn't really the peasantry that brought it about.

Also that the idea of improving society to the average libtard that posts this would basically just be more feast days.
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>>12363444
>opioid epidemic
just don't be a subhuman and don't consume drugs, its that easy
not everybody else's fault
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>>12363538
Soon as repubs stop being the party of science denying christtards
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>>12363562
I remeber seeing a woman that was working 2 jobs and living in her car. Your country is peak third world. Capitalism working as intended.
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>>12358569
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>>12363562
>prescribes you opiods for your crippling pain after an injury
>no, you will not be asked if you want them, you will receive it intravenously while you are unconscious from surgery
>bills you for it
nothing personnel, consumer
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>>12363583
poor life decisions
she probably fucked up with student debt and shit
no its not moral to make everyone else to pay for your stupid choices
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>>12363547
I am you fucking retard.
I live in Hong Kong making over 400k a year.
Keep stipping on shit and licking it.
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>>12363607
Confirmed for knowing nothing about the medical field, let me guess what your cope will be
>dah joos!
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>>12363609
Cool story bro, enjoy the homeless shit in your capitalist utopia.
>>12363614
>I live in Hong Kong making over 400k a year.
can you prove it though?
imagine living surrounded by chinese people
suicide inducing
>when you get rekt by capitalism so fucking hard you get sent to the fucking shithole that is china
hah, faggot
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>>12363609
Nahh humans can't do no wrong. It's the system that should help 101% of the population and maybe other populations too.
If it doesn't then it should be destroyed.
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>>12363598
NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CUMRADE, THE 3 MILLION DOLLAR IPHONE XXXL IS ESENTIAL FOR MUH REVOLUTION

LIBS OWN3D VUVULEZA NO IPHONE 100 SHEKELLION
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>>12363624
America is begging to be destroyed at this point. It's like that thing in the simpsons saying "please kill me" pathetic
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>>12363623
Keep seething. You will never have a revolution. You're just a larper, your parents will kick you out and you will become a street shitter in no time.
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>>12363614
>I live in Hong Kong making over 400k a year
People who make that much don’t post on 4chan, pick a realistic number next time.
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>>12363631
If you foucs just a little bit on the Pic you might discover the actual problem.
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>>12363634
Unfortunately /biz/ has the best crypto threads and information.
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>>12363637
yeah those niggers controlling the opium trade, driving up the inflation of housing, and creating the economic crisis of 2008, they really need to pay for that. El oh el.
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>>12363646
Unironicly this.
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>He is still doing it
No, the homeless are not people
Yes, the LAPD will drive them into the Pacific
No, nobody cares
No, the revolution will not come from Skid Row
Yes, you are a larper
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>>12363623
meanwhile in reality people flee from socialist utopias to this capitalist hell
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>>12363660
We don't talk about these people. Please don't disturb the conversation.
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>>12363444
>DOOD UNDER SOCIALISM THERE WOULD BE NO HOMELESS
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>>12363671
China has over 90 million unhabited homes and still homeless people lol?
the power of communism
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>>12363671
State capitalism sure sucks don't it? Deng should have been thrown out of a window. Don't (you) me, lib.
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>>12363686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6wY2b9amnA
Isn't it?
>>12363687
>N-N-NOT REAL COMMUNISM!!!1!
k lol
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>>12363671
Let's see the chinese homeless opioid epidemic, let's look at the pics.
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Anytime I listen to socialists I go from a critic of police to "BACK THE BLUE" Republican. They're so retarded they make good reasons why cops need to exist - to sweep those types of people away.
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>>12363704
I agree, shit was cash when the cops shot that old miga roastie at the capitol. The miga back the blue incels were losing their shit. Truly a good show.
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>>12363699
This information isn't hard to find, lol. You guys are really fucking stupid. Keep going though. Any other myths you want me to shatter for you?
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>>12363714
>one dude sitting on a chair
lol
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>>12363722
>Resorting to Holocaust denial-tier tactics
Every day I am reminded why liberalism is the greatest system devised by man
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>>12363732
It is very good at filling your city with homeless people and human shit on streets. But hey if you love living in a third world shithole then more power to you.
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>>12363722
Oh my god, you are fucking retarded? Read what the bottom says, you dumbass.
China is filled to the brim with drug abuse - they have a huge methamphetamine problem.
More so, lets keep destroying your bullshit.
>" Background: Historically, China has had extraordinarily high rates of opiate dependence. These rates declined drastically following the 1949 revolution; however, opiate abuse has re-emerged in the late 1980's and has spread quickly since then."
>"Findings: The number of registered addicts in 2004 was 1.14 million (more than 75% of them heroin addicts), but the actual number is probably far higher. Opiate abuse contributes substantially to the spread of HIV/AIDS in China, with intravenous drug use the most prevalent route of transmission (51.2%). Currently, the main treatments for opiate dependence in China include short-term detoxification with opiate agonists or non-opiate agents, such as clonidine or lofexidine; Chinese herbal medicine and traditional non-medication treatments are also used. Methadone maintenance treatment (MMT) has not been officially approved by the Chinese government for widespread implementation, but some pilot studies are currently underway. "
>" Conclusion: China faces substantial drug abuse problems that appear to be worsening with time. Opiate dependence is a major threat to the public health and social security of China because of its devastating medical effects, its impact on risk for HIV/AIDS and criminal behaviors, low rates of recovery and high rates of relapse. There is an urgent need to implement MMT and other modern treatments for opiate dependence more widely in China. "
I keep spamming these examples. Its so easy to get information about the dismal state of your workers' utopia, you retard. You kids really are dumb, Even your socialist shit holes you have to deal with these problems. Socialism doesn't fix human nature, son.
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>>12361210
>structure won't remain after a revolution
All the "revolutionaries" are part of the structure you fucking retard.
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>>12363742
>Backtracking away from the evidence followed by a snarky ceding of the argument
*literally* the same way holocaust denial threads progress lmfao
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>>12363742
China literally produces the opioids that are shipped here. Like, how are you so dumb. You want to tell us China isn't suffering from an opioid problem when its one of the biggest traffickers of it, you fucking retard?
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>>12363753
I'm just going to post what the Chinese FDA says if you want numbers from that article. Anyone can find it by just searching it. The numbers in fact reveal China has an opioid crisis of its own.
>"A report from China’s Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revealed a worrying trend on drug abuse in the world’s second largest economy, with the reported abusing cases increasing by 10.7% by the end of 2016.
Men continued to show a stronger propensity to be subjugated by banned drugs than women. Of all addicts involved in the reported drug abuse cases during last year, 85.9% were male, according to FDA’s annual report on drug abuse published earlier this week. The number was 87.5% in 2014. People under the age of 35 accounted for 51.7% of all abusers identified during 2016. The report also revealed that education could be a factor that helps with drug control as 81.5% of the illegal drug users didn’t go further than junior high school. Methamphetamine and heroin were found linking to 92.9% of all reported cases in 2016"
He probably doesn't even realize Heroin is a opioid. Dude is completely in solipsistic.
You can just search Chinese media for drug abuse and countless articles come up talking about their heroin and fentanyl problems. This was actually a contention they had with TRUMP of all people because he pointed out. Let these commies continue to be retards. Its so easy to shoot them down, and discredit their ideology every time they post.
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>>12361880
>he doesn't know what dictatorship of the proletariat means
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>>12363830
nobody really knows what it means. marxists like to redefine terms on the go.
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