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>An estimated 35,000–40,000 people were killed outright by the bombing at Nagasaki

Were the nuclear bombings morally justified? Could you really justify killing that many people in a single blast?
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OH NO WE CAN NOT JUST FORGET ABOUT NAGASAEKKI AND HIROSHI-OMA
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>>12358365
Okay, so first of all you can't justify killing even a single innocent person under any circumstances. The scale of a nuclear weapon and its' victims doesn't actually matter. It's no worse and no better than razing a village, bombing a home, or killing a lone unarmed man.
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>>12358365
>Were the nuclear bombings morally justified
No but amerisharts think as long as they don't see the death it didn't happen.
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>>12358376
Anime sucks and the Japs deserved it
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Fun fact: OP has made this thread dozens of times and will continue to do so because people reply.
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I doubt the Chinese or the Soviets (let alone the Pakistanis and Indians) would have nuked up if that bomb hadn't been dropped. We live in a much more dangerous world as a result of those choices, which were huge strategic blunders simply in terms of national security.
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>>12358391
>Anime sucks
Hentai is Japs revenge for Hiroshima
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>>12358412
>implying the Soviets didn’t begin their own nuclear program before the first bomb was dropped.
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>>12358365
You know what's hilarious? The firebombs we dropped on Japan killed way more people in a way more brutal fashion, and caused significantly more damage across the country than the nukes did. But since Japan killed several times more people in their bombing raids than the Americans killed Japanese they can't bring it up without other Asians bringing up the skeletons in their closet. Same for the rapes by American GIs when the US invaded Japan. How many Chinese women, Korean women, Filipinas, Burmese women, etc. did Jap soldiers rape?

Japs and weebs whinge about nukes because they were the most warcrimey thing to happen to Japan that the Japanese didn't already do to others but worst.
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>>12358389
So what would you have done. China had already lost 20 million civilians to the war against japan. You can look up how many korea, the phillipines, india, malaysia and other nations they invaded had lost just in civilians. And guess what each month the death toll got worse through 44 and 45. And on the military front, each battle got worse and worse as we got closer to japan. Look at the casualty reports from okinawa, and then use some simple math to extrapolate that to the main islands. It would have made the bombings look like a childrens party. Can you imagine millions of people commit suicide instead of just thousands. O and I guess we could have just enforced a complete blockade. and waiting for most of the nation children and all to starve to death. And remember they already had peace terms to accept. Their was literally nothing stopping them from surrendering. And we had tried conditional surrenders in WW1 just a single generation before, we werent going to make that mistake again.
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>>12358365

It's better than firebombing them.
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>>12358365
As justified as conventional bombing of an enemy city
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>>12358365
It was cool, all that matters
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>>12358459
100% doubt. Nips are ugly as fuck cool projection though
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There is zero meaningful difference between the atomic bombings and every other instance of bombing civilian population centres
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If it forced the surrender or Japan it was justified, but we will never know for sure if Japan would have fought on if they hadn’t been dropped.
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What does "morally justified" mean in a world war though? Japan was literally the enemy. They would've done exactly the same if they were in the United States' shoes, in fact, they might've been way worse.
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>>12358365
>Were the nuclear bombings morally justified?
Yes.
>>12358391
>Anime sucks
You're on the wrong imageboard.
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>Were the nuclear bombings morally justified
I find it remotely amusing that somebody would ask this
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>>12359893

Killing non-combatants, especially for no real reason, has generally been regarded as morally wrong
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>>12359945
Sure, but in a total war scenario literally everyone in a country is involved in the war effort so the distinction gets blurred.
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>>12358365
The Japanese military committed atrocities that were far more heinous than dropping the bombs. The Japanese civilian population knew, supported and funded these atrocities against the Allies, the Chinese and SEA. Imperian Japan was far worse than Nazi Germany, in-fact the SS was shocked with the Japanese.

The Japanese were not going to surrender and were going to fight to the last man due to their bushido LARP stupdity. This would have meant millions more deaths and a full scale land invasion of Japan if the bombs were not dropped. The US spread flyers around Japan to warn of the imminent attack but they were ignored. The deaths of Japanese civilians due to the bombs was their own fault.

Honestly, the bombs were too merciful for the Japanese. We should've shelled and burnt Japan to the ground and left the Japanese screaming as their skin charred and peeled off. We should've hung the emperor and burnt the imperial palace and all of their historical buildings to the ground. We should've taken Japan apart and occupied it. We should've ended Japan completely. The Japanese still refuse to apologise or pay reparations for the crimes and instead actively rewrite their history and try to play the victim.

Nowadays most Japanese think they were completely innocent and were the victims of a global conflict. They don't even know when or where the bombs were dropped.
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>>12358376
Downfall would have resulted in more civilian deaths.
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>>12360126
Blasting an insane amount of normal civilians doesn't seem right no matter how bad the government or the military is.
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>>12358365
America (satan of the world) can justify it when they are scared shitless of the USSR being the premiere global power. Kind of the reason they dropped those nukes even tho surrender talks were in the works. Amerilards unironically believe japs were scaling the walls of their local McDonald's and the nuke is the only way they could be stopped. 9/11 was justice on a national level.
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>>12360264
The civilians funded the military and cheered on the war crimes. Many Japanese sent their sons to war knowing exactly what they were doing in China and SEA.
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>>12360264
Not him, but you’re missing the point. Somewhere around 150-250 k people died in the two nuke attacks, possibly more. MILLIONS would have died invading those islands.
>>12360266
Yah, 9/11 sure taught us to stop blowing things up. Wowza, I’m glad that worked so well
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>>12358365
>nuclear bombings
never happened
nuclear bombs are fake
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>>12360264
Total war turns civilians into targets just as much as soldiers. The shock and awe also probably prevented more civilian deaths as most of them were prepared to fight to the death with sticks and stones until the nukes were dropped and the Emperor announced surrender.
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>>12358365
The firebombs were even worse in therms of destruction and human life. But everyone only talks about the nooks because they were le new science bombs with mushroom cloud
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>>12360621
The fire bombings were far more horrific too. I guess the problem is that it’s one bomb. Much less effort. The Tokyo firebombing everyone remarks on involved more than 300 aircraft.
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>>12358412
Japan and the Soviets and Germany already had their bomb program. They just didn't get as far ahead as the U.S. Japan had all kinds of biological warfare shit they were researching to drop on the U.S. and killed half a million Chinese and others in horrendous human experiments.

Other countries would have either developed and used the bomb or resorted to even more catastrophic weapons of mass destruction like germ warfare The U.S. managed to foresall a lot of that.
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>>12359668
Unironically, the firebombing of tokyo did more damage than both nukes
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>>12358399
i wonder how much he gets paid to do this. it must be a lot given how committed he is. im envious
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>>12358365
Were the invasions of Korea, Manchuria, Mongolia, China, the Philippines, the East Indies, Malaya, Burma, India, and New Guinea justified?
Oh, right, the japs didn't fucking care.
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>>12358459
uhhhhhhh based department?
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>>12358365
As a Mexican, completely unbiased, I see the bombing of NAGASAEKKI AND HIROSHI-OMA completely justified.
Sorry but bot sorry.
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>>12358365
Should've been Kyoto
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There is no moral difference in bombing a civilian population as there is ordering soldiers to go from house to house stabbing everyone.
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>>12358365
USA gets the blame for the nukes, in reality it was both Britain and the USA, as per the Quebec Agreement
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>>12358365
if America bombed the nazis, there would be no qualms whether it was justified or not.
The only reason people still can't decide if it was justified or not is because the atrocities of imperial Japan aren't talked about nearly enough.
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>>12358365
On the whole the bombings were a good thing because rebuilding the cities stimulated the Japanese economy and probably contributed to the post-war economic miracle.
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>>12359644
It's like Germans nuking Paris because French were resisting their invasion. Mutt cope. You genocided 100,000 women and children
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>>12360126
Mutt cope. The whole myth that Japanese would not surrender has been broken down already. Essentially majority of their force was ready or in process of surrender except the emperor. Would not change a thing as they would surrended anyway. See>>12364927
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>>12358412
>We live in a much more dangerous world as a result of those choices,
World war 3 would've happened by now with millions more loss of life without the discovery or invention of the nuke.



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