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Is Lovecraft right about the maritime history of Sub-Saharan Africa?
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>>12353482
Well East Africans built some ocean-going boats. But West Africans only built canoes that would never make it to America if not for extreme luck and even then probably the whole crew would die
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>>12353501
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>>12353482
This guy looks like he’s got lemons in his mouth lmao
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>>12353512
hehe that is pretty funny :)
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>>12353482
yeah
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>FATHER
>DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A NIGGER IN YER CHURCH
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>>12353482
These are the boats of the WEST Africans, don't think they could make it to America
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>>12353542
Even the sail was adopted by West Africans only after European contact
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>>12353558
>It took West African negroes thousands of years to realize wind pushing against cloth can help a boat move faster. Not only that, they needed the white man to realize that.
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>>12353562
Yeah West African coasts had very very little natural bourbons and many parts of West/Central coasts are actual steep cliffs. That's why West African boats were based around river travel.
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>>12353562
>>12353482
Though I have to say that Colombus, who had been to Guinea and later to the Caribbeans, praised the boats of the African natives of Guinea and compared them to those of the natives of San Salvador:


“Saturday, 13 October 1492, ‘After sunrise people from San Salvador again began to come to our ships in boats fashioned in one piece from the trunks of trees. These boats are wonderfully made, considering the country we are in, and every bit as fine as those I have seen in Guinea.”
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>>12353562
>Since the dawn of history...
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He's literally correct. The Brits played a key part in the slave trade
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Lovecraft was right about the cat problem
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>>12353714
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>>12353726
It has to be noted here that the Bermudians specialised in their picking of African labour in that they seemed to only purchase those who had skills and had already worked in the Caribbean or North America. This was to serve them when shipbuilding became an important part of their economy. Unfortunately, as W. Jeffrey Bolster states in his book, Black Jacks, “American small boats and the skill necessary to build and handle them were truly creole - an amalgam of West African, European, and Native American technologies. But Africans have rarely been given credit for their contributions.”
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>>12353728
Dr. Mike Jarvis in his thesis,Maritime Masters and Seafaring Slaves 1680-1783 In Bermuda, brings to light this interesting and unique law proclaiming by the Order of Council of 1711 that authorised the Master of any ship greater than forty-four feet to “…use as many Blacks and or slaves as crew as he thought necessary. But it limited the number of whites to six.” That translates into the possibility of seventy enslaved black mariners or free blacks to six free or enslaved whites onboard a Bermudian trading, transport and/or raiding vessel.

But it was not just at sea that the enslaved and free African
Descendant outnumbered their white counterparts but also in every aspect of vessel design and construction, both being conducted by eye and hand without the aid of the later to be produced detail drawings of marine and naval architects. And going back to the concept that Bermudians selected skilled labourers for their enslaved population it would follow that as they launched themselves into shipbuilding and commercial trade (with a bit of ‘privateering’ adding to their GNP) marine skills would be a priority in their selections.
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>>12353482
The ocean off the coast of West Africa is mostly open sea. There aren't many big islands. So the only reason to build ocean going ships or boats would be to catch fish.
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>>12353737
The Afro-American was employed not only in the building of vessels but in their crew ranks and even as Captains. Black men also owned and ran oyster boats, Chesapeake Bay Pilot Boats and most of the smaller river and lighter craft. The life on the ocean gave many benefits worth the high risk involved with living by the whims of nature. The main points were the possibility of earning suspended wages enough to purchase freedom for the enslaved, as well as the obvious isolation from the problems associated with being an enslaved or free black man ashore.
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>>12353754
When William Hawkins first anchored off the Gold Coast he was approached by African fishermen in finely made canoes. They landed his crew ashore safely through rough surf and assisted his hunt for products. More importantly they assisted his charting of the coastline and its tributaries, both sailing their own canoes and crewing his vessels. When his crews began to succumb to the fevers of these tropical lands these African mariners supplanted those who fell by the way.
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>>12353742
>There aren't many big islands
>what is Cape Verde, Bioko, Bissagos, Corisco, Sherbro
>Who are the Niominka people
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>>12353587
They had plenty of flat sandy beaches and even mega lakes the size of seas.
>Pplease don’t mention their intelligence
Maybe they just didn’t have enough thinkers or adventurous
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>>12353989
>Can't think straight on that purple drank
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>>12353989
They had boats but not ships
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>>12353482
Some black sailors were free men like Paul Cuffe, who captained and owned several vessels in the late 1700s. James Forten made a fortune making sails in the early 1800s. Denmark Vesey was a sailor for many years before he started a successful carpentry business; in 1822 he was hung for allegedly conspiring to incite a slave uprising in Charleston, South Carolina. In the 1820s and 1830s my ancestor Joseph Decoudreau served as a mechanic on ships that traveled the trade route between the Caribbean, Mexico and New Orleans.
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>>12354084
>Paul Cuffe
Chale, it’s KOFFI not Cuffe
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>>12353482
This demonstrates some consistency in the number of black sailors working for American and British vessels within the Atlantic World. The percentage of African and black seaman for the eight ships surveyed ranged from a low of 11.4% to a high of 49.5% of ships’ complement.7 The Navy demonstrated no interest in identifying in their records mixed-raced sailors. There are no descriptors such as “mulatto” or any others that would point to the presence of mixed-raced personnel. From the records used in this study, nothing definitive can be stated on the number, or experiences, of mixed-race sailors in the West African Station. It appears reasonable to assume that the aforementioned four categories do include individuals of mixed-parentage; however, this is not noted in the official records. The present study, therefore, has nothing definitive to offer on this topic.

The most numerous of hired Africans were adult male Kroomen (or Krumen). The Kroo “whose name probably derived from their seafaring tradition” have been defined as an “ethnic-cum-occupational” group that inhabited the coastal regions of what is today eastern Liberia (Frost 1999: 1, 8). Kroomen actively sought employment upon European vessels during the age of colonial contact as qualified seaman.


Those Africans sure didn't sail...
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Did you know that one out of every five American seamen in the early 19th century was black? At the time, seafaring was the nation’s most common male occupation after farming.

Did you know that Frederick Douglass escaped slavery in disguise as a sailor? Or that the first six autobiographies that black people wrote in the English language were written by seamen?

What about the triggering point of the American Revolution – the Boston Massacre? Did you know that Crispus Attucks, the first man killed at the Boston Massacre was a black seaman? He was a sailor and rope-maker of mixed African American and American Indian descent.
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>>12354222
Posting about them working for EUROPEAN vessels does nothing but reinforce Lovecraft's point you retard.
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>>12353482
Thousands of black patriots served on American vessels during the American Revolution (1775-1783). According to a U.S. Army report on the African American military experience, higher percentages of black men served in the naval forces than the land forces. The Continental Navy did not restrict their service like the army and militias. The navy also protected them from man-stealers and slave masters. But the Continental Navy was relatively small, and black sailors served in even greater numbers on board state naval vessels and privateers.

At the time, many black sailors were enslaved, and records of their service are hard to find. Often owners put forth their slaves to serve under a substitution system, but the owners received their pay. For many black seamen, the most significant development in the American Revolution was the end of slavery in many northern states. After the Revolution, black men in the North could enter the maritime labor market as free men, giving hope to the still enslaved mariners from the South that a society without slavery in the United States could exist.
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>>12354227
They also helped building them in several cases:


African Americans in Shipbuilding

Shipwrights and other shipyard workers were among the first workers in this country to be unionized. As was often the case, the existence of craft unions meant that African Americans were largely excluded from most major shipyards. The exception to this was in the South.

In 1902 at the Newport News shipyard in Virginia, about two thirds of the 5000 employees were African Americans. During the building boom of World War I, African American employment rose rapidly, again mostly in the South.

By 1919 there were 24,500 African American shipyard workers in the country, about 20% in skilled trades.
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>>12354223
>>12354222
>>12354232
Are you retarded or something? Lovecraft isn't saying there were never black sailors on European/American ships. He's saying (West) Africans never built one ship that could take them across continents, and that today they are only dispersed around the world because of Eurasian built vessels.

You posting on African sailors on boats built by Europeans/Americans does nothing but reinforce his point. You are literally posting about them operating on ships built by the white man. Stop spamming text copy pasted from shiphistory.org as if it proved anything when you are really just reinforcing Lovecraft's point
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>>12354243
Read the posts, Africans were often employed in the construction of the ships and in some cases owned the vessels too.
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>>12354240
Of course there are going to be black shipwrights employed in America after a while but that doesn't contradict the claim made by Lovecraft. It's like someone tells you "blacks never invented computers" and you counter by saying "bu-bu-but there are blacks who assemble computers today!".

>>12354254
Yeah and they were employed in the building of the White House too, but that doesn't mean we are going to credit them for neoclassical architecture or the design made by James Hoban. In the end those ships didn't originate from their civilization or their culture, or from them period, so the point that they didn't build ships that could take them across continents from West Africa to the rest of the world is true and none of what you are posting is contradicting it, on the contrary it's reinforcing it
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>>12354272
Ok they didn't do it before because they didn't need to, they already had coastal and riverine boats for fishing and trading, they didn't need to cross the oceans.
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>>12354275
Fair enough.
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>>12354151
it's likely that this man was from the Akan people in West Africa as kofi is a poplar name there , both firstname and surname, for example the famous Ghanaian Kofi Annan.

I know a guy from cote d'ivoire who is Akan named Can Kofi, kek, im not sure how you spell his firstname but his name is can coffee pretty much.
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>>12353482
>"mostly by rape"
holy shit the cope, kek
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>>12353482
Well East African bantus and Zanji slaves in general already roamed most corners of the Earth, especially the Middle Eastern and Indian world where they were present in significant numbers; but blacks were present even further back in the ancient world, presumably from East African / Sudan, but still with very negroid features
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>>12354304
I mean in the early 20th century it was probably true considering a lot of people were racist and would be reluctant to even consider interracial sex. Even casual sex wasn't that common. It was a different time
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In 1324, while staying in Cairo during his hajj, Mansa Musa, the ruler of the Mali Empire, told an Egyptian official whom he had befriended that he had come to rule when his predecessor led a fleet in an attempt to cross the Atlantic Ocean and never returned. This account, recorded by the Arab historian al-Umari, has attracted considerable interest and speculation as a possible instance of pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact.


>We belong to a house which hands on the kingship by inheritance. The king who was my predecessor did not >believe that it was impossible to discover the furthest limit of the Atlantic Ocean and wished vehemently to do so. So >he equipped 200 ships filled with men and the same number equipped with gold, water, and provisions enough to >last them for years, and said to the man deputed to lead them: "Do not return until you reach the end of it or your >provisions and water give out." They departed and a long time passed before anyone came back. Then one ship >returned and we asked the captain what news they brought. He said: "Yes, O Sultan, we traveled for a long time >until there appeared in the open sea [as it were] a river with a powerful current. Mine was the last of those ships. >The [other] ships went on ahead but when they reached that place they did not return and no more was seen of >them and we do not know what became of them. As for me, I went about at once and did not enter that river." But >the sultan disbelieved him. Then that sultan got ready 2,000 ships, 1,000 for himself and the men whom he took >with him and 1,000 for water and provisions. He left me to deputize for him and embarked on the Atlantic Ocean >with his men. That was the last we saw of him and all those who were with him, and so I became king in my own >right.

Lovecraft writes and looks like an autistic faggot
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>>12353482
And as I said East African Bantus did make ocean-worthy boats that could cross the Indian ocean
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>>12354323
>Lovecraft writes and looks like an autistic faggot
He has achieved more with his writings than you could ever in 10 life times.
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>>12353482
Obviously fake quote

>>12353630
>Portuguese bring millions of slaves across to the Americas
>Spanish bring millions of slaves across to the Americas
>French bring millions of slaves across to the Americas
>Britain continues the trend
/his/: clearly the Brits are to blame for this.

We really need flags, like on /int/ and /pol/
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>>12354330
wow you are one triggered tranny
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>>12354323
The idea of Mansa Abu Bakr II literally organizing a thousand of canoes thinking he will make it to the other side of the Atlantic with them never fails to make me KEK.
They probably all died. Sad

Afrocentrist illustrations of his "voyage" like in pic related imagine him as some sort of black Viking ahahahaha seems they don't understand West Africans didn't have sails and that this dude literally tried to cross the Atlantic in canoes LMAO
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>>12353501
East Africans don't count as nigs, they have a long history of culture, and unlike west Africans have a history of accomplishments that was the result of their own work.
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>>12354359
Here we go again.
2 days ago /his/ was calling East Africans dumb low IQ niggers :
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12337731/
Today they are "not nigs" because it's convenient.
Schrödinger's nig
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>>12353482
The most advanced vessel the West Africans built before meeting the Europeans was "a canoe as long as a galley", but they had no sails until they got them from Europeans
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>>12354350
I don't know if the original text translates as canoes but it was actually two trips, the mansa went on the second trip. But it doesn't really matter since this most is just some weird troll post made by some loser, it's probably the same guy who makes all these types of posts. This thread is not actually for learning about the history of the subject, /his/ is a lame community of right-wing tranny incel shizo commies who love BMHC (Big Midiwit Historian Cock)
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>>12354370
I don't think east africans should be lumped in with west african peoples. Imo thier are three "major" races of Africa, You have Central and South Africans who inhabit South and Central Africa, you have East Africans who inhabit the horn of Africa, and the surrounding areas, and you have West Africans in West Africa. Then their is also the lightly populated Sahara who's inhabits are different from all three groups. Then in North Africa the Arabs have almost nothing in common with all these groups.
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>>12354412
>Then in North Africa the Arabs have almost nothing in common with all these groups.
How to show everyone you know nothing about Africa in 1 easy step :
1. Call all North Africans "Arabs"
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>>12354412
>>12354370
>>12354359
As pointed out earlier by >>12354328, the Swahili are East Africans who had sail ships too(the Mtepe) and they have more in common genetically with "Central and South Africans" than with people from the Horn of Africa. Somalis were not the only people in East Africa with sail-ships.
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>>12353482
holy based
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>>12354412
Your catergorisation of the people of Africa and how they're related is so wrong, it shows that you obviously don't know what you're talking about, you are fake and gay
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>Nilotes disappeared into the dark
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>>12354514
Adapted from Cavalli-Sforza
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>>12353482
I love this man.
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>>12353482
assuming he's not talking about somalis and other east africans and berbers, that's right.

niggers are subhumans with 20% non-human dna the same way australian aboriginals and papua new guineans are subhuman denisovans. http://www.sci-news.com/genetics/west-africans-dna-archaic-hominin-08123.html
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>>12353501
Somalis are not only not sub-saharan African, but they've also had very extensive contact with middle eastern societies, all of which have long sea faring traditions which have rubbed off onto them. No blacks have ever built anything without the idea of whatever it may be being introduced to them by outsiders.
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>>12353714
>1700's
>Blacks have been seeing european frigates off their coasts for nearly 300 years
>try to imitate it
>it can't even compare to a viking longship built 1000 years earlier
Reminder that asians beat blacks to madagascar
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>>12354515
I don't know what kind of Somalis they tested, but they clearly fucked something up.
>>12354514
Same as here. Most likely they got mixed populations or didn't account for genetic drift (in case of Mbuti).
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>>12354370
Lmao. No one except the most low of the low IQ people on this site, regardless of their placement on the political spectrum, see blacks as some monolithic nigger ethnicity. Blacks are a group of distinct races which inhabit the African continent and bits of asia and Oceania. Grouping Ethiopians and Nigerians is like grouping Frenchmen and Incans together, it just doesn't make sense.
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Here's something from 2019.
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>>12355093
Meh, Eastern Africans were created due to Eurasian gene flow. It probably wasn't some distinct human branch. They are a mix of Eurasians, Dinka-like people and local foragers that seem to be somewhat related to Khoisan.
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>>12354359
It's funny watching racial taxonomies getting rewritten in realtime, first the north africans weren't black, now the east, by my lifetime i'd imagine that the congo will be considered the last black nation on the planet.
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Man, sometimes overt racism like that really does sound like some kind of inferiority complex, like if you really believed these people were subhuman why do you have to tell everyone about it constantly, it's like a faghating preacher like Ted Haggard being busted snorting meth and getting railed in the ass by male prostitutes.
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>>12355025
Do you even read the papers you save?

The admixture is as high as 20% with an average of 6%, even then Homo Erectus was long extinct by the time the admixture even happened so it was probably something similar to Heidelbergensis or another archaic human like Neanderthal.East Asians have the highest Neanderthal/Denisova Admixture besides Abos and Papuans and their not subhumans, or at least that's what their collective academic performances imply.
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>>12355025
Eurasians have it as well, it's pre-OOA

>The signals of introgression in the West African populations that we have analyzed raise questions regarding the identity of the archaic hominin and its interactions with the modern human populations in Africa. Analysis of the CSFS in the Luhya from Webuye, Kenya (LWK) also reveals signals of archaic introgression, although our interpretation is complicated by recent admixture in the LWK that involves populations related to western Africans and eastern African hunter-gatherers (section S8) (20). Non-African populations (Han Chinese in Beijing and Utah residents with northern and western European ancestry) also show analogous patterns in the CSFS, suggesting that a component of archaic ancestry was shared before the split of African and non-African populations.
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>>12355183
>w-w-why are you calling out my pets for what they are goy?
13/52
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>>12356252
>“But I, thank the Gods, am an Aryan, & can rejoice in the glorious victory of T. Flavius Vespasianus, under whose legions the Jewish race & their capital were trodden out of national existence!”
>“The Jew is an adverse influence, since he insidiously degrades or Orientalizes our robust Aryan civilization.”
>“It is a mistake to allow Jews to mingle with Aryans as social equals. I have never been forced to do this, & at high school I drew the colour line at Jews as well as negroes, though of course there is no racial comparison between the two classes of undesirables.”

You sure are way out of the loop if you think Lovecraft would oppose hitler or he didn't hate jews
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>>12356311
To be honest he pretty much considered everyone who wasn't a WASPoid like him to be inferior.
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>>12356346
>N-NOO RETARDED ZOOMER ONLY MY HEADCANON COUNTS
You're going as far as to dismiss Lovecraft's own words just to fit him as a good guy inside your ideologue book. Howards was still antisemitic even after he got married (and then divorced), and i'm still waiting for you to say where you got the narrative that he ever opposed Hitler.
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>>12356388
>even the elites have changed and are mostly irish/german and jews
In Lovecraft's time I believe the elites were still mostly WASPs, he was raised in a majority WASP area and if you read some of his letters he shits on blacks, Jews, Asians, Italians, Mexicans, the Irish, Slavs, the Portuguese, French-Canadians... and there's the well-known fact that him discovering he had Welsh ancestry inspired him to write one of his stories
He seems proud of his (and the Anglos' in general) Germanic heritage though
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>>12356429
A lot of his aryan values crossed over with nazis, but he didn't like them specifically because of their overt imperialism - not racism or antisemitism- only because he happened to have favoritism over british power. I'm not a kraut, a zoomer, or whatever buzzword you come up with next, but you sure are invested in painting him as as someone who fight nazis and is friend with jews. What's next, are you gonna say that all his letters and lowly mentions of blacks are ironic and filled with nuance?
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>>12355221
>Do you even read the papers you save?

No polfags do not read. They pick out things they think reaffirm their preconceived notions and spam it in the form info-graphs.
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>>12355093
>two unnamed branches going into L0
Well one might just be heidelbergensis but what about another?
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>>12355105
What the fuck does this even mean?
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>>12355183
Even for his time he went too far in places, but it's still fun to Lovecraftpost, because I wish we could say things as he did.
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>>12359329
It's a phylogenetic tree. Genetic relationships between various populations. This one focuses on Africans.
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>>12354049
>pepto bismol vat contaminated by fecal matter.jpg
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>>12354050
Huge jagged lakes in the middle of Africa would be so cool because then trade into the interior of the continent would stop being a pain in the ass and all those peninsulas would spawn competeting
city-states and I love city-states history.
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>>12355067
>Reminder that asians beat blacks to madagascar

Because it was a island on the other side of the continent why do black people live rent free in your lots head
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>>12353482
Is this the incel Patriarch?
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>>12359401
It would also kill Western Africans as nothing would stop North-South and South-North migration. The mixing between North and Central Africa largely stopped due to the end of Green Sahara period.
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>>12354275
neither did the white man, and yet he did cross the oceans. he can dream of something hes never seen and can look at the stars and see his future. africans lay in the sun and do nothing and are happy in a simple life. they have never been explorers.
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>>12354419
you mean the descendants of the vandal, roman, greek, kingdoms? that north africa? they have NOTHING in common with the midnight blackies that inhabit the jungles of the congo or the bush of SA
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>>12355087
>it MUST be wrong, I JUST DONT BELIEVE IT
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>>12359900
>The mixing between North and Central Africa largely stopped due to the end of Green Sahara period.
Yet there's lot of mixed groups within the upper parts of SSA.

>>12360459
>neither did the white man
Stop trying to claim all euros as part of some brotherhood. Many euro nations never ever engaged in oceanic traded and others tried...and failed
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>>12356223
13/52 is proof idiots don't understand statistics at all lmao.
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>>12355093
>Blacks are a group of distinct races
No one but actual honest to god autistic losers actually bothers splitting them up into distinct groups. You think people back then and now give a shit about what differs a Luo or a Hausa?
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>>12353542
>>12353558
>>12353562
Given that they didn't know America existed, and they weren't trying to find spices because there was no silk road selling them to them, what need did they have for huge long-distance ships? Where would they sail to? Other African kingdoms, who had nothing to sell them they could not find in their own lands?
Necessity is the mother of invention.
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>>12360854
> You think people back then and now give a shit about what differs a Luo or a Hausa?
Luo people and Hausa people sure did/do.
Just because to white people Africa is just "a bunch of niggers" doesn’t mean everyone saw things the same way.
Even recently in Congo at some point having certain features could have you accused of being a Tutsi and bad things would ensue…
And even Arabs would make differences between Abyssinians and other East African populations.
They absolutely did
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>>12360831
Pretty much all the European nations by the ocean engaged in Oceanic trade
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>>12361084
So Poland had a colony?
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>>12361055
To outsiders outside of Africa youm oron. Europeans gave not shits about how diverse Africa was nor did Arabs, Indians, Chinese and whoever. Non0Africans don't give a shit about how diverse Africa is because they don't give a shit about the nuances because why should they? Not like you'd give a shit if your farm workers spoke one gooblegook over another when as long as they worked for pennies on your farm in Kenya.
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>>12361975
and even Arabs barely gave two shits about Horners, or the Black Arabs in Sudan/the Sahel etc. They treat them like shit the instant they can do so the moment power dynamics change or Horners are losing control.
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>>12354050
This would unironically fix Africa
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>>12353482
No
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>lovecraftian
>biblically accurate angels
>mature anime
>lost media
>unconventional christmas movies
>uncanny valley
>liminal spaces
>mandela effect
>strangely familiar places
>junji ito
>akira
>neon evangilion
>serial experiment lain
>so bad its good
>the pope exists in the car universe
>prequel memes
>gaslighting
>/mu/core
>trust the science
>just let people enjoy things
>sus
>techwear
>cumtown
>creed aventus
>based
>who would win walter white or tony soprano
>pirating indie games is immoral
>its fun with friends
>its a good X game but it falls flat as a Y game
>japanese movie posters
>this scene of Vito from The Sopranos kind of looks like Star Wars!
>/tv/ is a bad board
>copium
>racism outside /b/ not allowed
>christianity/mormonism/scientology is just like a cult
>lofi hip hop
>plastic love
>tomboys
>john lennon was a wife beater
>nobody:
>who hurt you
>I don't really care about politics, it makes me unhappy
>misinformation spreads quicker than real information
>Penguinz0
>frankenstein is the scientist not the monster
>y'all
>reporting soijak spammers isnt reddit
>Ed Edd n Eddy took place in purgatory
>gatekeeping
>food analogies are bad
>it’s a wyvern not a dragon
>snowpiercer is willy wonka!
>thrawn
>minimalist movie posters
>slowburn psychological A24 horror
>gameplay loop
>Burning (2018)
>whoah this is just like a real life black mirror
>serial killer/true crime documentaries and podcasts
>video essay
>peer reviewed
>movie is actually about capitalism/consumerism/colonialism
>newspeak
>genre deconstruction
>Starship Troopers is a satire of fascism
>you put gaslighting on there twice
>calling an opinion a “take”
>let’s unpack this
>Come and See (1985)
>>muh sekrit club
>pandemic
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Wow. What a thread
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>>12353482
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swahili_coast
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>>12353482
this is so harsh it reads like a troll post lol
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>>12354370
lol cope.
Its east africans themselves who are saying they arent black africans.
no one wants to be a demi pygmy.
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>>12363904
Amerishart moment
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>>12364101
No, they do say they are black anon. they stopped being isolated for ages at this point and colonialism heavily was a factor as well.
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>>12364021
Back then you would argue with those retards and we would get some good info and sources from it. Now you just make 4 words comment and dip. I get that it's a little repetitive and exhaustive for you though
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>>12354370
>/his/ is one person
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>>12353482
jesus this quote aged like a Lovecraftian horror
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>>12365156
it is /his/tory, not theirstory afterall
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>>12365085
It certainly can be tiring. I'm just glad that the average /his/ anon seems to have become more well versed in African history since then. But I've also been quite busy myself lately. When the mood strikes I'll do so again
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>>12353482
Lovecraft's writing style is so good.
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>>12360842
What do you mean?
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>>12366266
Keep doing the good work, maybe we can rise them from accepting africa has history, to making and expecting discoveries about ancient african history.
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>>12353482
I heard that Maili had ships that were able to traverse south atlantic, some even claim that some kang or prince sailed and never returned and that because he discovered america and stayed there, as opposite of just sinking.

Don't know if it's true or not.
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>>12360854
>i dont care about their differences, so there are no differences!
reminder there is more genetic variation within africa than between ANY population outside of it
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>>12355183
>like if you really believed these people were subhuman why do you have to tell everyone about it constantly

Because despite all the proofs (their history, their average IQ, their observable behavior...etc) irrational leftards will deny this obvious truth for the sake of their utopian egalitarist myth
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So a seafaring subsharan civilization traveled to antartica during it's latest warm period around 9.000 years ago?

What about archaeological evidence?
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>>12367190
The most hilarous part is that they're usually atheists

>"We all equal and shit"
>"Yeah, God is truly caring"
>"Uh? God doesnt exist, it's nature and the big bang that made us all strictly equals"

Believing all human subspecies are equal = creationist bullshit
Nature doesnt care about equality
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>>12367095
>I heard that Maili had ships that were able to traverse south atlantic
no
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>>12366549
Can do, friend.
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>>12354050
>tfw no lake megachad and no yellow nile
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>>12369775
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>>12369781
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>>12369819
Oh. Almost forgot these too
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>>12369901
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>>12353482
Imagine asking a guy his thoughts on his latest story and him coming back with that
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>>12353482
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>>12354370
>b-b-b-but /his/ is one person
Get the fuck out of here you dumb nigger
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>>12354254
>getting instruction
>building it on your own
I think you don't know the difference in these two
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>>12365085
is this even fucking debatable?
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>>12355053

You mean like the way europeans never managed to domesticate horses or any kind of cereal, even the cereals that are now thought as traditionally european?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_food_origins#Cereals_and_pseudocereals
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>>12368872
lefty pol be like
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>>12371188
Yes
>>12371513
No
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>>12353482
Black people are just inherently violent and impulsive due to genetics. This has been well documented in science and psychology for decades.
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>>12371662
I'm curious could you post some of those studies?
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>>12371670
not that anon but here you go mate
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>>12371689
Nice sarcasm. But he claims it was well documented in science and psychology, now I'm simply asking for that "documentation" i.e the sources to read for myself.
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>>12353482
It's all so tiresome
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>>12371810
Not sub-Saharan
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>>12371810
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>>12371813
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>>12371821
Not a sails ship. It would be impossible to travel between continents with that. It's only good for river travel. It's not a "ship that could take them across continents" as said in the quote.
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>>12371827
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>>12371827
>>12371813
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>>12371832
Do you just post random pictures without knowing the history behind them?
Sails were adopted by West Africans only after contact with Europeans. This has already been discussed on this thread. So this is not an indigenous development.

Pic related by scholar Robin Law from that paper :
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23046841
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>>12371856
I'm under the impression you are just posting random pictures from a Pinterest board without knowing anything about the history or the background of those pictures. Even the titles of some of your pictures make no sense
>Ancient Dogon ship Ghana African.jpg
Which makes no sense because
1. The Dogon do not live in modern day Ghana
2. The Dogon do not make gold art like this. You can have an overview of what most of their art looks like here : https://books.google.com/books?id=YdNhUppxc6kC
3. The Dogon are not coastal people who would need or use ships. They literally live in a sandstone plateau in the interior. Pic related is their environment. Why the fuck would sandstone cliff-dwellers have a need for a boat? To ride on sand?
4. Even if that was in reference to the Ghana Empire that makes no sense since the Dogon were not part of it

Now, I reverse searched that image and that seems to be the source :
https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Large-African-Bronze-Boat-Figurine-Statue-Tribal-Benin-Ashanti-Dogon-Ghana-20thc-Gilded-Bronze-Asante-Ghana/36997929-large_african-18.5.20-catawiki

Alright, let me tell you what this looks like
There is a HUGE market for fake African art. Huge. Enormous. A lot of people make fake African art and then put the names of random tribes onto it to scam people into buying them thinking it's authentic. A lot of "African masks" people buy tend to be fake and completely unauthentic, literally made by a white boy in his garage and then marketed as "Maasai tribal mask". That seems to be one of those. This thing is not in any museum, it's not documented or anything . We don't know where it actually comes from. It's just a random item sold on a random art site, with the name of multiple random, unrelated tribes put onto it "Asante Dogon". This is fake.

You also have this >>12371821
>Mali Segou sewn boat ship naval canoe history niger 2554.jpg
When the image says this is from Timbuktu, which is 508 kilometers away from Segou.
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>>12371791
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country
I think this and history is enough
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>>12360854
I'm sorry that you're incapable of pattern recognition but that doesn't mean we should be as blind as you are.
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>>12371662
Source or gtfo.
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>>12372043
It's called reality., You think people irl give a shit about how diverse Africans are? Personally as an actual African no one gives a shit about how diverse we are.
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>>12367296
>Believing all human subspecies are equal = creationist bullshit
It's not really tied to religion or creationism
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>>12372080
We are on a history and humanities board.
People interested in humanities and history, are interested in the differences between populations. This is literally the point
That's like saying on /sci/ that no one cares about the Riemann hypothesis. I mean, DUH???? Yes but we are on /sci/ so we care about this. It's just so fucking moronic to say "lol nobody cares about the differences between populations" on a Humanities board.
What is this dumb discussion about?
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>>12372080
>>12372090
Like this is so dumb. Yes normies do not care about the differences between populations. But PEOPLE ON A FUCKING FORUM ABOUT HUMANITIES DO. Normies do not care about haplogroups or ancient populations or ancient wars or the nuances in religions. WE KNOW. but here we are on HISTORY & HUMANITIES, SO WE CARE ABOUT THAT SHIT

STOP SAYING DUMB SHIT
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>>12372090
>are interested in the differences between populations
Most people here aren't. they usually take one piece of info then stretch it real wide and spam it to death to prove whatever point they have. People only give a shit about nuance between groups if they are relevant.
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>>12372098
but the humanities part is total tagged on and adds nothing to this board and is a gateway to allowing snapshots and bait threads to enter because literally anything can be humanities. that's why haploautism is so retarded.
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>>12354323
>set out in 2000 shitty river boats
>try to cross the sea
>die
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>>12361957
yes they did you shit skin.
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>>12372080
>as an actual African
AAHHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>12353989
>They had plenty of flat sandy beaches
Not a harbor
It's shittier than you think, Freetown is the only good natural harbor in the entire region.
>t. dump ore at a port directly north of Freetown to be loaded on barges to take to a ship because the coast is mangrove swamp
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>>12372099
This
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>>12354243
>Africans never built one ship that could take them across continents,
The Swahili, Aksumites and Somalis did quite a bit of that
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>>12354359
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>>12372901
>Purposely ignore what he put in parentheses
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>>12371411
Domesticated by their various farmer and steppe ancestors.
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>>12353482
>Is Lovecraft right about...

lmao. no. the answer is always no.
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>>12367190
>Because despite all the proofs (their history, their average IQ, their observable behavior...etc) irrational leftards will deny this obvious truth for the sake of their utopian egalitarist myth

This all sounds like pseudo science and cope
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>>12371689
So ww1 and 2 were done by black people?
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>>12372004
>>12371923
>this random list that cites long discredited data and some vague shit about history prove my point
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>>12374068
I'm not the anon that posted about IQ.
I don't really know what you mean. I simply proved the "Dogon ship" image you had was just fake art.
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>/his/ isn't one person
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>>12359598
>on the other side of the continent
Did east africans not exist? Every time I try to bring up that the Dutch beat the blacks to South Africa people tell me I'm wrong. So if I'm wrong, that means blacks were living near Madagascar at or before the time when Asians first arrived. You cannot excuse these people either way. Either they embarrassingly failed to explore their whole continent before europeans, or they had been living off of the coast of Madagascar for centuries and Asians beat them to the Island. Either way, it's inexcusable.
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>>12374241
>east Africans

I thought east Africans weren't black anon are they or aren't they?
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>>12374085
Sorry accidentally clicked on your post

Also its obvious dogon literally lived in the desert and high cliffs why would they need boats?
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>>12374241
The Bantu expansion hadn't reached East Africa yet. It did later but Indonesians had already arrived in Madagascar by then. I don't see how that's "embarrassing".
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>>12374241
First off they did beat the dutch their secondly aren't you the same lot who were saying East Africans aren't black?
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>>12374335
Its just their post hoc logic
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>>12360870
To explore for the sake of exploration?
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>>12374555
Blacks aren’t that curious anon. That kind of curiosity is unique to Eurasians. Blacks are just contempt with what they can already see
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this thread is proof that the theory of uniformity has absolutely destroyed any real, objective discussion about history.

Makes you wonder why it is pushed to so hard.......
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>>12374555
Europeans didn't do that either. Only when there was a proper profit incentive did Europeans explore.
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>>12373380
Does OP specify West Africans specifically?
>>12374241
>Dutch beat the blacks to South Africa
No. See >>12374341
>>12374335
This. It says more about Horners, Rift Cushitic, Hadza, Khoi, etc who inhabited the East African coasts for millennia longer than it says about Bantu speakers who instead arrived to the East African coasts 2-2.5kya.
>>12374799
No. Black Africans are not a static people, and have a very long history of population movements that you simply seem to be unaware of.



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