>If we get rid of communism we're all gonna have Lamborghinis and live in mansions and shitDid these idiots seriously believe that?
>>12105652They were fools psy-oped by the CIA. You should always be loyal to your socialist motherland.
>>12105652Literally no one believed this you western onions boy faggot. They didn’t want to be executed or tortured by kike secret police agents and not have to wait for hours to get bread from the store >inb4 never happenedKill yourself
Eastern Europeans lived in 100% white socialist ethnostates where everyone was guaranteed a job, housing, and a qt wife, and were like "This life is hell, I must overthrow the government so I can wear Levi's Jeans and drink Coca Cola"
>>12105652they were right though, at least 5% of their people
>>12105676we didn't know about all the multikulti and homo shite. we thought all west is Bavaria countryside and Switzerland. Only the yanks have some blacks, but we thought they just play blues and win medals in track and field events. crazy what not being able to travel before the internet does to your perception of the world, huh
>>12105652Literally no one cared about such funny words as communism or capitalism. People rebel simply because food prices skyrocketalso half of those countries hated russians with passion
>>12105676Why do retards actually believe this? People in Eastern Europe were suffering food shortages and poverty. You honestly rebelled because their lives were great under communism? Its always you basement dwelling commies without jobs talking about good life was in a country that would have gulag'd you.
>>12105855Food prices are going up in the USA. things aint' looking hot.
>>12105864That's because Americans are brainwashed through decades of advertisements and corporate brainwashing to be subservient, complacent, and compatible worker drones.
>>12105652Us Croats and Slovenes are richer than we ever were and so are the Poles. Czecks were always wealthy, but now even moreso. Yes. The system works. It's just that the US can't compete with anyone unless the others are destroyed in a world war, so now you're getting poorer as the world shifts from the atlanticist to its natural eurasian perspective and centrum. Ergo grasping at straws like communism.
>>12105862>People in Eastern Europe were suffering food shortages and poverty.only relative shortages and poverty. It was a million times better than only (then) 100 years ago when Eastern Europe annually had African -tier famines that killed thousands of people.
>>12105918Imagine this fucking stupid and beliving this shit.
>>12105921Communist modernized everything. Eastern Europe was a rural peasant society before them.
>>12105914Based Adriatic Sunbather.
>>12105657>You should always be loyal to your socialist motherland
>>12105676>and a qt wife,Why do you retards keep adding this even though it wasn’t true anywhere ever?
>>12105931>Eastern Europe was a rural peasantSome nations like Czechia or Latvia were highly industrialized, almost reaching western European standards
>>12106004Eastern Europe had replacement level fertility and higher reported sex satisfaction.
>>12106087The USA also had replacement level fertility rates during this time period as well retard. In fact, the USA was well above the USSR throughout the 20th century, reaching as high as 3.65 whereas Russia only reached as high as 2.52
>>12105668>Literally no one believed this you western onions boy faggot.fuck off kike that's what was shilled exactly
>>12105862Yugoslavs went from being the third global power during the Cold War to being subjugated and colonized by Westerners thanks to "free-market capitalism". Nowadays, these free-market shitholes are worse off than some SSA states, they're proof that Capitalism is a failure.>>12105914>Us Croats and Slovenes are richer than we ever wereYou're at least 20 years behind where you were during your tenure as Yugoslavia's federated republics, and 20 years behind where you would've been if you hadn't taken Germany's offer to terraform yourselves into their outposts.
>>12106212You're forgetting the part where Russia lost up to 50 million people in just 2-3 decades, whereas the USA had smooth sailing from the day it was founded, barring the Civil War, but that's out of the topic's scope.
>>12107504>the third global powerat best they were a regional power and that mostly relied on the fact Tito just played middle man
they fell because the higher soviet party members were blackpilled in the whole thingit’s not a feudal kingdom, it’s not gonna collapse just because a bunch of people starve
>>12107515"Nine years later, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the chief advisor to President Jimmy Carter, said that Yugoslavia, together with the United States and the Soviet Union, was the only country that had affirmed itself as a global factor. Belgrade's position in the Non-Aligned Movement was constructive. In the light of the dying détente, parallel to an increase in the number of conflicts in the Third World, the behavior of Cuba and Vietnam, Yugoslavia really seemed like an “American communist ally”. - This was the world's state of affairs from the mid-1950s, recognized as such by both the White House and the Soviets."In the 1980s Deng Xiaoping's foreign policy resembled Yugoslavia's stance of being non-aligned and non-confrontational and with Hu Yaobang’s 1983 appraisal of ‘Josip Tito’s principles of independence and equality among all communist parties, and of opposing imperialism, colonialism, and hegemonism’."- China adopted Yugoslavia's foreign policy which played an integral part in establishing China as a world power, and soon-to-be superpower.Yugoslavia wielded global influence, and the ability to exert its power and influence globally, which makes it a global power: "A nation or other political entity having the power to influence the course of world events.".>inbefore copeEat shit, subhuman.
>>12107515Defunct Western power's hands mad at Yugoslavia's global decolonization efforts in the 50s, 60s, and 70s wrote this post.
>>12107504>subjugated and colonized by Westerners thanks to "free-market capitalism"The man who engineered that economic transition was American economist Jeffrey Sachs. The result was hyperinflation and massive unemployment which made it easy for populists to destroy the nation in a war that killed over 120000 white Europeans and made 4 million homeless.Personal life on Wikipedia.
>>12107594And then they genuinely wonder why they were banished from hundreds of states throughout history.
>>12107613>that massive drop after the fall of Yugoslavia, even the Warsaw Pact outdid themCapitalism-moment.
>>12105652>Did these idiots seriously believe that?Yes and no. It is true that idiots existed. For example, I can personally testify that many people believed absolutely absurd stuff like "even poorest hobos in capitalist nations are so rich, they carry kilos of gold in jewelry on them" (IRL the "hobos" in questions were criminals, and they carried their wealth in jewelry to protect it from being seized by police should they be arrested, not because they wanted to).What is untrue, however, is the whole narrative (that is the essence of liberal democracies) of general public making "wrong" decision and, thereby, inflicting misery upon themselves. IRL general public didn't actually get to influence the decision-making processes (or even to clarify the share of idiots versus non-idiots). The real push for capitalism always came from above, and nobody was allowed to question it openly. Supposed support of the masses was fabricated by the state-controlled mass-media of (post)Soviet nations.I.e. it wasn't the "idiots" who destroyed Soviets. Their impact and influence got exaggerated to hide the real actors and beneficiaries (and it wasn't Party "nomenklatura" either, it was executive management that tended to be non-partisan and nominally "apolitical").>>12105862>People in Eastern Europe were suffering food shortages and poverty.Please, kill yourself.
>>12107628>when socialism causes problems it's actually capitalism's faultlol
>>12107641>intellectually disingenuous and passive-aggressive, snidenessAs I thought.Yugoslavia's GDP during its worst year: World's 24th economyPost-Yugoslav states: ranked worse than some SSA states, nowhere near Yugoslavia. Capitalism failed, laughably, even.
>>12107651>When the country went through civil war things didn't improve!Communists are legit the dumbest children on Earth
>>12107666chill your tits broamerica still number 1
>>12107666>claims Capitalism is an improvement>fails spectacularly in Russia, the former Warsaw Pact, and YugoslaviaTHAT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM, REAL CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!! Pitiful cope, the fact is, Capitalism failed where Socialism succeeded.>civil warAbsolute subhuman.
I'm glad we kicked c*mmie invaders out of my country. C*mmies should be fucking lynched
>>12105652I mean, most of us have Audis and BMWs nowBack then you'd be lucky to have a car period
>>12107651>socialism causes yugoslavia's economy to stagnage>stagnation causes yugoslavia to collapse>socialist stagnation causes bloody civil war>civil war because socialist stagnation causes gdp per capita to fall>post-yugoslavia states now have to compete with capitalist countries around the world>this is somhow proof of capitalism being a failure and socialism being a successtop kek
>>12105652Yes.And the kicker is that wasn't the most retarded stuff they believed.
>>12105652>NOOOOOOO YOU HAD IT BETTER DURING COMMUNISM! I, WESTERNER WHO NEVER BEEN TO ANY OF YOUR COUNTRIES TOLD YOU SO!!!!! YOU HAD IT BETTER BACK THEM NOOO NOT THE FR*CKIN LENIN STATUES NOO
>>12107737>doesn't include ex-YugoslaviaI wonder why, and no, the quality of life is notably lower.
>>12107737NOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HATE COMMUNIST HEALTHCARE THAT DOESN'T EVEN UTILIZES PAINKILLER IN DENTISTRY
>>12107640>Wasn't party nomenklaturaWon't speak for Warsaw pact, but for USSR, it specifically was part of the nomenklatura. The part that supported Yeltsin, and some of them were komsomol leaders/activists, like Khodorkovsky, but still.
>>12107746slovenia is richest EE country
>>12107703>>fails spectacularly in Russia, the former Warsaw Pact, and YugoslaviaReally? Is this why Russians did everything they could to buy smuggled in shit from capitalist countries? Or why all of USSRs top Olympic athletes literally defected to USA and Canada in the middle of the night?
>>12107703Every system failed in russia from monarchy to socialism and capitalismthat just speaks volumes about russians themselves. They just cant help but feel the need to be buck broken
>>12105652There was dissatisfaction in Warsaw pact countries but a lot of it was overblown and later inflated by western efforts. Plus we like to focus on the factors that led to the fall because it's a post-soviet union world.My family did pretty well for itself under communism and they weren't even party affiliated. Friends of the family also did pretty well and have fond memories of those times. I think that without the western powers providing that final push to put down the Warsaw Pact things may have stabilized. Maybe. >>12107737This has to be bait. 1990s were literally post fall communism where no one was happy and everything shit.
>>12107516the only post worth it's bytes on hdd here and no replies. Ironically enough, the soviet unions demise has been predicted by the Trotsky back in 30s.
>>12107748Good, now show the graphs of fertility rate and natural change.Here, I will even help you.Here are ones for Czech Republic.
>>12107737>2019>RussiaIt's thanks to Putin, not to the "free market" retards.
>>12107788>MUH FERTILITYholy shit what a drone copeeastern europe was shithole barely above africa tier and they still had shit tier fertility, when they should be at very least middle east/india tier. People were bored as hell and still couldn't breed lmao
>>12105652You will never live in USSR ever again.You will never have a communist utopia.
>>12107504Yugoslavia was a total shithole then just like it is now. It has never been relevant, it has never been rich. It is a pile of garbage.
>>12107628>3,500 at current pricesAbsolutely fucking pathetic kek. All the other 23 states are capitalist btw>inb4 cope
>>12105676Go live in north korea then.
>>12107733>lies through his teeth in green-textHow typically Western, no matter. Socialist Yugoslavia was vastly, incomparably economically superior to all of its successor states, including Croatia, which is at least 20 years behind where it was as a federated republic of Yugoslavia.There was no economic stagnation, the only problem was the way the monetary policy was managed, especially during the oil crises in the 70s and 80s. But this could have easily been fixed with a pegged currency. But when Ante Markovic did that in 1990, it was too late - as he had “nationalists” working against him such as Milosevic, sabotaging the central bank by taking out loans and giving them to their constituents as gifts for votes, while at the same time printing money in insane quantities - causing another series of hyperinflation. Not to mention all social services such as free healthcare, education, and so on were cut. All this is under the subversions of the IMF. It only came to war because Germany and Russia supported the illegal secessions of Croatia and Slovenia to the point where Germany lobbied nigh-total support for them in the UN and to the point where the USA changed its foreign policy from preservation of Yugoslavia to its annihilation, thus the Foreign Appropriation act of 1990/1991. Ironically and initially, all of Europe, barring Germany, was in favor of Yugoslavia's preservation, which was even offered to join the EU in 1990, everyone agreed to it, except for Germany, incidentally, the only country to also reject all plans and offers of peaceful solution of the situation in Yugoslavia.>this is somehow proof of capitalism being a failure and socialism being a successYes, because as a socialist state, Yugoslavia was a competing global exporter who, on top of that, cornered the global infrastructure-building industry, whereas today, successor states are SSA-tier shitholes, which are also heavily neo-colonized by Western interest groups and entire industries.
>>12105652People thought they would get something like the Nordic model at first (what they thought as the best of both worlds), which is why Gorbachev era was a thing. At least at first it was like that. Then, it turned into the worst of both worlds.It's a painful lesson again for people to not be optimistic ever again. When you think things can't get worse, they always do.
>>12107823t. written by hands of defunct Western powers slave-driven into order by the USA during the Cold War, whereas Yugoslavia was a global power during the same period.>>12107833>disproves his cope-graph>goes for the disingenuous passive-aggressiveness as a means to copeSpiritually Kikes, your masters defiled you well.>>12107758Russians are mentally impaired, and defectors are an exception to the rule, it's an auto-rebuttal. Nowadays, they desire what they've had in the Soviet Union: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/24/75-of-russians-say-soviet-era-was-greatest-time-in-countrys-history-poll-a69735
>>12105652>>If we get rid of communism we're all gonna have FOOD
>>12105652Eastern European industry was built for Soviet market, and of course the standart was very low. Now imagine being left with that wreck that Soviets built, it had no chance to compete in the Western market.Half of Europa had stunned devolepment because socialist economy was so backwards.By all acords communism is the reason why Eastern Europe and only retarded mutts don't get that.
>>12107870>Oh theyre just mentally impaired here look at this moscow times survey! Lol you people are absolutely pathetic. Meanwhile elite Communist Olympians are all defecting saying their leaders are liars along Poles, Czechs/Slovaks, Ukranians, etc right behind them. And now ironically you want me to believe this survey while modern Russians are literally painting ADIDAS on as much shit as humanly possible?
>>12107870>>russoids mad that they can't steal resources and labor anymore>>russoids want their empire back>get kneeled on by chadUSAagent Yeltsincope, you will never be white
>>12107870>Yugoslavia was a global power during the same period.Yeah right up until some politicians got helicoptered out of the country and a bunch of Serbian farmers started capturing UN weapons and machinery
>>12107510Maybe if the Russians didn't abort million of babies.>https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-ussr.html
>>12107886>defectors are valid proof of the reality>the consensus of the ACTUAL POPULACE, 75% of them, wanting the Soviet Union isn't valid proofMental gymnastics PAR EXCELLENCE. At this point, no arguments, all cope and seethe, kill yourself.>>12107911More like from the moment it spearheaded the Non-Aligned Movement from 1956 and made sure all your wannabe regimes in Asia and Africa were toppled and thoroughly decolonized. Literal hundreds of millions-strong civilization buck-broken by a single socialist state, pathetic Westerner.
>>12107840>stop getting americans gibs>have a chimp out>collapsemfw socialist economy is built on capitalistic wests funding>>12107510>lose millions of men because of incompetent communist leadership>get saved by the westhow come capitalism always saves the commie?
>>12107935>>defectors are valid proof of the realityA person paying off guards so they can smuggle themselves out of the country in the middle of the night is just a bullshit story but some stupid fucking survey from a newspaper is dogma? You people are shit for brains retarded, and also hilariously frail and weak. Hence the reason you beg for collectivism.
>>12105652Yes. The only way to ever had a lambo starts by not being a communist subhuman. Anything else is the equivalent wanting to run with no legs.
>>12107870>>disproves his cope-graph>>goes for the disingenuous passive-aggressiveness as a means to cope>Spiritually Kikes, your masters defiled you well.Learn English. You sound like a fucking moron, you cretin.
>>12107945>Except investment loans, not "free money" comprised only 16% of Yugoslavia's GDP, whereas the USA, and the rest of the West, are choking on external debt, the rest is standard Westoid-cope at the sight of information they cannot refute.>>12107946>t. still thinks the actions of individuals somehow outweigh the CONSENSUS OF ENTIRE NATIONSYou're mentally impaired, plus you've no arguments, which makes your spastic fit even more desperate to behold. Here, another source, this time it's German: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-sovietunion-idUSKBN1OI20Q
>>12107950My English is vastly superior to yours, and keep deflecting from the fact that you're spreading bullshit, and have no valid arguments at your disposal, you disgusting, deformed Angloid mutt.
>>12107753> for USSR, it specifically was part of the nomenklatura.The small part that served interests of executive branch in general, rather than Party/nomenklatura in general. The part that didn't benefit personally, but only through individual arrangements specific individuals made with the aforementioned executive branch. I.e. you confusing mercenaries and employers.> The part that supported Yeltsin, and some of them were komsomol leaders/activists, like Khodorkovsky, but still.The flaw in this reasoning is twofold: it is cherry-picking, and cherry-picking among beneficiaries rather than instigators.
>>12107958It's still a msm article based off the same gay survey which is weak sauce. And you think only a handful of people defected from their shit hole communist countries?? Slava Fetisov, an infamous captain of Red Army hockey tells stories about being forced to sleep in cold, damp, moldy barracks while the coaching staff (mostly made up of officers) got to live lavish lives while getting drunk. His abuse was so bad when he was young he was pissing blood from getting routinely beat to skate harder. What a lovely system. Thats before even mentioning the dozens of other players that defected with him, and the TENS OF THOUSANDS of poles, checks, Ukranian, etc. neighborhoods that were established when they all got the chance to escape. Thats another thing dumb mother fuckers like you seem to want to ignore. If life was so extravagant and great, then why need the system that requires people to escape at night in the first place?? The walls on those border check points were to keep people IN.
>>12107958I think your underage brain has forgot that the westoids are the ones defending communism and not the actual people in post-soviet countries>muh russian opinionrussians are not people, communism has made sure of itAnd if your state collapses at the first sign of reforms then it was always doomed to collapse, and no western boogeyman attached.
>>12107990>pays hard cash to hear horror stories about Soviet Union>gets told horror stories about Soviet UnionGalaxy brain moment.
>>12108016>pays hard cash blah blah blah retard shit??? I think your zoomie is showing right now little guy, you definitely underestimate the competitiveness and implications the USSR and USA held when it came down to political sports. Having your 19 year old super star randomly leave after secret meetings in Finland during exhibition games by paying off the masseuse with Swiss Francs is not just some "oh lol its just an individual or 2 who cares." This is again, along with the thousands upon thousands of other civilians fleeing their barbed wire fenced in walls to come to USA as well.
>>12107686The only cope leftypol can come up with is ironic shitposting lel.
>>12108016You can literally say the same thing about shitting on USA and shilling for USSR
>>12108033>ah yes>the white masterracecope more slavoid monkey
>>12107990Defectors are by definition, an exception to the great majority, who were in fact, as we've seen based on two, separate sources, vastly in favor of the Soviet Union. Here's another source that confirms what we already know, except for you, it seems: https://www.axios.com/russians-nostalgic-soviet-union-poll-9abd2579-5ab6-4e80-9916-7ffd5b920213.htmlAlso>defectors paid to lie>they lieWhat a reliable source, did it also appear to him in a dream?>>12108011>consensus of the masses isn't proofLiberashka cope.
>>12108053Holy shit, learn english you dumb mutt.No wonder uneducated americans shill communism so much, you barely grasp basic concepts.
>>12108053Russia can become communist for all i care. They should just not drag other countries with them.
>>12108053You delicate little child, "snowflake" is a term thats fitting for you. >Ignore those tens of thousands of people from different countries escaping their communist country which includes prominent elite Olympians... They don't count>*desperately googles "russians want communism" and finds some silly surveys that he then uses as a dogmatic 100% outlier You're basically sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "nuh uh doesn't count." I'll even give you one more point since you want to ignore thousands of defectors. If the people were so fortunate to be stuck within the barbed wire walls of their communist country, then why have that system of "papers please?" Dedicated to them? Is that a high trust system full of flourishing gains?
>>12108053You're very likely a teenager still if you simply believe one could "pay someone off to defect" from Russia to USA in 1990.
>>12108095>>12108102>>12108077>>12108093May your appliance of dosage be reflective of your political affiliation (extra liberal, with a dose of heavy dishonesty)
>>12105652No they didn't because the when the USSR was illegal dissolved in 1991 a referendum was held on whether or not it should be in fact dissolved, the results were 70 percent for the union and 30 for dissolution.
>>12108332If Russians and other Eastern Europeans miss communism so badly why don't they just vote the Communist Party back into power?
>>12108601Liberal "democracy" doesn't work that way, anon. Elections are for sale, repressive laws often exclude communists from the ballot and communist advocacy from public life, and when all else fails there's always the option of outright dictatorship ala Russia '96.
>>12105914>the world shifts from the atlanticist to its natural eurasian perspective and centrumGood to see people being aware of this basic reality. It‘s a procesd that should be completely obvious to everyone but western institutions try to keep people from getting this.Eurasia is the future
>>12105676Back then the capitalist west was also white ethnostates. Only after the end of the cold war the NWO decided they were gonna destroy civilization.
>>12108332Ah yes that one. The referendum was wether to preserve the USSR as a EU type of deal, not neccesarily even communist. Also none of the WP states of the Baltics even participated in that.You lost commie.
>>12108670>Back then the capitalist west was also white ethnostates
except no it wasn't it was a gray depressing shithole where there's like 2 bread crusts on store shelf you get arrested for making joke about president's haircut and birthrate is stagnant or declining because most babies are aborted
>>12108034>You can literally say the same thing about shitting on USA and shilling for USSRI can say, but that will be a lie.Nobody pays to shill for USSR.
>>12105862>You honestly rebelled because their lives were great under communism?Far better than it is now.
>>12105914Croatia is LITERALLY a fucking glorified tourism resort for retired EU officials.
>>12107536> Preventing Israel occupation of Cairo Hahahaha!The kikes were little surrounded by the 2nd army West of the canal and 3rd army East of the canal.They tried to take the tiny Suez city with a FULL armored brigade/infantry battalion and they were rebuffed by the city's small garrison and a commando squad and with heavy loses.How you think they were going to take Cairo and it's entire 2nd army+reserves is beyond me.You are historically illiterate.
>>12107733>stagnation causes yugoslavia to collapseNo, the US/NATO war of aggression did.
>>12107788>poorer people have more kidsthis isnt the dunk you thought it was lmao
>>12108802Without Yugoslavia's intervention, you'd be typing from Greater Israel, but then again, that would've been more preferable when you think of it.
>>12108102>if you simply believe one could "pay someone off to defect" from Russia to USA in 1990.Not him, but this was Perestroika already. You are the one who has no idea what you are talking about.
>>12108848Are you fucking retarded?How the fuck would they even manage to take Cairo, you deluded, borderline retarded jew rodent.They couldn't even take the tiny Suez city with a FULL armored brigade and a battalion, the city was defended by militia and some commandos.They wrre literally surrounded by the 3rd and the 2nd army (West of the canal).I don't blame for lying to yourself btw, after all there is nothing more humiliating than being a Jew.Unironically take your meds, you pathetic handout taker.
>>12108872Mussie seethe, at least your president was thankful for our timely intervention, doubt anyone else will swoop in to save you the next time you decide to lose against Israel.
>>12108848> Be kike rat > Get your entire impenetrable wall BTFO by sheer infantry assaults.> Counter attack gets wrecked.> Run crying to the Americans for gibs> America organizes the largest airlift in modern history on your behalf.> Egypt occupies the Sinai but stopped moving forward because taking the Sinai was the only goal.> Egypt creates an artificial hole in its defencive line to lure dumb kikes into a trap.> Dumb kike takes the bait and end up being sandwiched between the 2nd army in Cairo and the 3rd army in Sinai.> Sharon gets easily wrecked every time he tries to even GETS close yo Cairo.> Al Saddat gets exactly what he wanted > Kikes still cope posting to this day.Honestly had the Egyptians just kept moving and not stopped and played defence, nothing short of the Samson option would have stopped them from a holocaust 2.0.Your people are beneath contempt, it's no wonder you live on handouts.
>>12108884> Dumb kike thinks his LARP is believable > Fails to provide any counter argumentGood lord, are you the diversity hire at the JIDF or something.Retarded handout taker ran to the Americans for gibs (see operation nickel grass) and still managed to get BTFO'd.Just be thankful that Saddat goal was only to take back the Sinai, you repulsive Yid mystery meat.
>>12105668Instead they got no bread from store for a decade.
>>12105862And now the average annual household income of Ukraine is 2200 dollars a year.
>>12105652>we're all gonna have Lamborghinis and live in mansionsFair for East Germany, Czhech republic and Slovenia. The others are just subhumans (escpecially russkies).
>>12107737do you not know those countries were devastated by jewish terrorist attacks? every time they elected someone the big noses threw him out of a helicopter
>>12105652No they wanted free elections, opportunity and more freedoms. It's funny how you communists are using such pathetic strawmans as a way to cope with the fact that living under your system sucked and that 'the workers' who you claim to be fighting on behalf of emphatically rejected you. Stay mad eternally
>>12109256>No they wanted free elections, opportunity and more freedomsgorbachov electric boogaloo intensifies
>>12109256They didn't get any of those tho, they just wound up living in repressive capitalist states, many of which abolished even the appearance of liberal democracy (once a properly bourgeois party was in power, of course). Communist parties were indeed repressive and mismanaged the economy, but they wanted better central planning and more civil liberties, not shock therapy and oligarch plunder.
>>12109096copei am pure Lithuanian
>>12109520please do the needful and poo in loo
>>12109579i will piss and shit on your rotting corpse, slav(e)
>>12109351Yes and these oligarchs and mafias seem to very often come from the former communist elite that the people were trying get rid of
>>12109351>hey wanted better central planning and more civil liberties, not shock therapy and oligarch plunder.Then why did they rule the country as oligarch until it collapsed? You're so stupid - you want to believe the same people who created one the most repressive dictators in world history cared about their people? Its always you white westerns who've never lived under communism who speak so highly of it.
>>12108870You people are such delusional pieces of shit.>The Communist party said they reformed and we're actually really nice! That means all the defectors calling them liars were the ones actually lying?No wonder communists were all tortured and hanged. You are the scummiest lying pieces of shit of all of human history
>>12109595>oligarchs and mafias seem to very often come from the former communist eliteThe parties became infiltrated by bourgeois elements in the 1960s-1980s. There's no magic bullet other than for real proletarian communists to struggle against them and keep constantly vigilant.
>>12108870>PerestroikaThat has absolutely nothing to do with Communists citizens able to freely come and go as they please
>>12108632Thats a bold faced lie. There are still remnants of the communist party in places the Cezch Republican and Poland. My cousins wife is from Czech Republic and her and her parents would have bno problem caving in your skull with a baseball bat. Its so weird though because communism was amazing! Right???
>>12110634>proletarian communists to struggle against them and keep constantly vigilant.You mean lazy, useless, weak pieces of shit? Theres no difference between bourgeois and proletariat other than magic personal interpretation. In reality, all of you are cowards.
>>12110703What are you, a peasant
90s ruined eastern Europe, literally what do these countries produce today? prostitutes, nazi militias and EU toilet cleaners.
>>12110734No I deliver pizza for dominos that makes me a proletariat super soldier on my state-school campus
>>12109579slavic languges are also indo-European, retard.
>>12105652My grandfather was a communist party official and a high ranking officer. He used to say that communist party members who genuinely believed in communism were seen as idiots, kinda like people who take religion very seriously nowadays as seen as crazy even by moderate believers.
>>1211075890s ruined western Europe, literally what do these countries produce today? webcam prostitutes, islamic militias and can't even clean their own toilets.
>>12111305true but prostitution and islamism have always been products of imperialism.
>>12107737>that East GermanylmaoName a bigger shithole than the DDR.
>>12109588You'll do nothing, which is your speciality, and that image suits Lithuanians and Germans the most, two naturally subservient, perpetually degenerate masses.
>>12111392slavs are literally the mos incect like people and you have the audacity to call us subservient
>>12111755Slavs, unlike Litvoks, and your (somehow) even lesser kinsmen, the Estonians, and Latvians, conquered the largest landmass in the world and expanded over most of the Geographical Pivot of History, and yes, you're the embodiment of passive, subservient faggots, and you'll always stay that, and in the shadow of Slavs.
>>12111777doesn't take a particulary advanced race to conquer the siberian shithole. The Mongolians have done it before.
>>12111784Except Slavs conquered Central, Eastern, and Southeastern Europe, and expanded aggressively into Baltoid territories as well. Ironically, the Northern Steppes were vastly ahead of Lithuania and the rest of your peasant nationalities.>Russian bylinas reminisce about the destruction of the Chudes when the Slavs were occupying their territories. When a Chude township was attacked, Chude women made themselves drown in the river with their jewels and children, in order not to be subjected to robbery or rape.
>>12111836>conqueredmore like they were recruited by ruling classes (germanics, hungarians, italians, greeks, and latins) to be used as peasants and conscripts.
>>12105652Better chance of that without communism. At least you wouldn't be the cess pit every communist country is.
>>12111836>claims slav(e)s are great>procedes to post about how b*rbaric they actually werethank you for proving my point that you are indeed b*rbarian subhumans
Communism results in no civil rights and government running the whole economy into the ground and nothing is really yours. It belongs to the state. They wanted to get away with that and did. Ever since they adopted capitalism they have gained civil rights and a economy that actually functions. People gave jobs. People can own stuff a d become wealthier. No more waiting 5 hours for bread. Life is so much better. Only thing that has remained the same or maybe got worse was corruption. For some reason many parts of the planet including eastern Europe are super corrupt places. Not sure why really.
>>12111882Why do Westies have to cope 24/7?
>>12112068Slavs have proven countless times since invading eastern Europe that they are barbarians indeed, and today they still are, glorifying genocide and rape.
>>12112135Westies have the highest rape rates and well as a history of genociding each other and half the world, not Slavs.
>>12107737I wonder what happened around the 90s to make everyone feel so bad... ;)
>>12111777Balts were at no point servants of mudslimes