Who was in the wrong here?
The Nazis, obviously.If something is retarded you should keep it around to be able to refute it, in the same way I enjoy the rollercoaster holocaust stories.
>>12105040A whole lot of good that's doing.
>>12105032Wicked jews for promoting pedophilia and child pornography. >>>/wsg/4161975
>>12105032How are nazis and fascists any different than one another?
>>12105049It can't legally be criticized in most of the world, where it can it's still likely to get you assaulted/banned from employment, as far as I'm aware even Weimar didn't have these sorts of laws/restrictions.
It brings me great pleasure to think that Master Hirschfeld’s ideas ultimately outlasted the Nazis despite all the book pyres and sackings. Even though I’m usually pretty pessimistic, that shows you how sometimes progress can hold its own against brutes trying to stall it.
>>12105091Depends on the country. In some places it's only a crime if you actively deny it with the intent of downplaying or excusing Nazism's crimes.
>>12105573>progressMore like regression back to Sodom and Gomorrah
>>12105032this is one of the rare instances where both liberals and Nazis collaborate to hide the truth. what really happened is that the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft was a center where Germany's sexual deviants and predators were sent by the courts to be rehabilitated. The Nazis did not burn the records and the books because it was degenerate. They burned them because many top Nazis had undergone treatment there and they did not want those records to get out.Nazis lie about this for obvious reasons. Liberals lie about this because they are trying to protect the narrative that homosexuals and gender non-conforming individuals can do no wrong, when in fact the truth is that such individuals made up the beating heart of Nazism
>>12105767Was it that for every one person who knows real history there is a million who knows fake history? Am I the only troubled by this?
>>12105597In some places it's a crime to state any support for what they did at all
>>12105767I believe this now
>>12105767>make claim that can't be disprovenhow (((typical)))
>>12105767Yeah, and the battle of stalingrad never happened too right
>>12105827oh wow a jew wrote a book color me convinced
>>12105832The authors Scott Lively is an "extremist" right-wing American Christian.>>12105833The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively. It can be downloaded from his website free of charge
>>12105851>Kevin E. Abrams and Lively co-authored The Pink Swastika (1995). Abrams and Lively state in the preface that "homosexuals [are] the true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind many Nazi atrocities.">The premise of Lively and Abrams' book has been criticized as a "pernicious myth", "utterly false" and "a flat-out lie", and several historians have questioned Abrams and Lively's claims and selective use of research.and that's even leftiepedia of all places
>>12105573Posts like this leave no doubt in my mind that 4chan is now infested with paid shills/psyop agents/bots.This used to be considered just trolling but you can tell this is some reddit-tier bs spouting by certain factors.
>>12105851Does he mention his sources for this? I'm kinda looking for a primary source
>>12105597You can say the "The Nazis committed the greatest crime of all time by not doing the Holocaust"?
>>12105889You can say "I don't know how many people the Nazis killed - is six million really possible" or "Even if they didn't kill six million Jews the Nazis were terrible and deserved their fate."
>>12105919What about>while how they did it was misguided, their intentions were overall for a better society and should be praised
>>12105803Ingerlund and the Congolese Federation of Deutschland
>>12105032trannies, gays, jews and other degenerates for existing
>>12105032Nazis.Thanks to them, even such based things are eternally smeared by the legacy of an Austrian warmongering imbecile. Just like with chasing Jews out of the gentile countries.
>>12105767Actually checks out. If it was the opposite, nazis would have a field day parading that shit and shoving it up everyones faces as to convince the general population who are their enemies.It's like Khruschev going full on destalinization to try and purge the information that he was one of the three most rabid Stalin's executioners.
>>12106644Yes, thank you for some rare logic on this board. If Nazis were so against degeneracy they never would have burned the files that identified Germany's biggest degenerates
>>12105573As a right-winger, I'm not certain the white race will survive that century but I'm 100% certain transgender bullshit will not.Neither in the future caliphate of Europe, nor anywhere else.
>>12106627Why not blame the globalist bankers and their golems who destroyed him and his country instead?
>>12106676We have similar shit here in Latvia (and other Balitc states), in regards to KGB documents.Shit was straight up destroyed during 1991 and what was left untouched, is sealed and classified, because when Latvians tried to open those bags several years ago it fucking ended with half of Latvian elite (muh nationalism), engaging in damage control over being listed in these documents as snitches for KGB (Yeah, with operative pseudonyms and shit like that).Not to mention that, IIRC, one of the prominent detectives that worked on these cases in the 90-ies, "accidently" drowned in a lake despite being a good swimmer.
>>12106742Hitler straight up let Rotschild go scot-free.You have no fucking moral claim to bitch about globohomo if you let globohomo go unharmed because he paid some shekels to you.
>>12106676Where's the proof that they burned the files? Nazis sent thousands of fags to their deaths.
>>12106755Did you not see the picture in the OP? Burning books.
>>12105032Both were wrong.
>>12105827>Haberlewho is he, what did he know, we know Ernst Röhm pounded boipucci but that's about as much as can be confirmed really
>>12106755And left millions of them unharmed.
>>12105040>if you kill your enemies they win
>>12106810Did Trudeau really say this?
>>12105955>while how they did it was misguided, their intentions were overall for a better society and should be praisedI'd say this can be argued as true for the majority of movements (particularly the majority of the people in those movements) that have ever happened. Everybody believes they're on the good side. I would maybe change "should be praised" to something like "should be understood and forgiven".
>>12106755>Nazis killed teh gaysonly a thousand or so homosexuals died in concentration camps. those are rookie numbers. Nazis were not even trying to kill gays. Nazi leadership did not have any problem with gays at all. The only one who cared was Himmler and it took him a expending a ton of his political capital to get everyone else to go along with criminalizing homosexuality. It was rarely enforced in any genuine manner. The way the law was utilized in reality was that the SS would have men of fighting age who refused to contribute to the war effort arrested on fictitious charges of homosexual conduct. Himmler would then offer them a pardon in exchange for them joining the military. It was a way to get more warm bodies to deploy to the Eastern Front. Aryan homosexuals who refused were in some instances sent to camps, where they enjoyed privileged positions and had amenities not offered to any other class of person. The myth of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals started in East Germany years after the war ended
>>12106884Why should they need to be forgiven for wanting what's best for their people? You're welcome to condemn them but the point where you require other people to as well is when the concept of free speech begins to come in.
>>12106810There is still some wisdom to this quote in the context of strategy. Killing somebody turns that person into a martyr, which can have the unexpected consequence of glorifying their ideas and invigorating the rest of your opponents.Although I doubt that was what he meant, as he was probably going for the "moral" stance of "when fighting monsters, take care not to become a monster yourself".
>>12106889why are you getting so defensive?
>>12105789That's all any of you fuckers on this site do. Whether here /bant/,/pol/ or anywhere, for every actual well structured argument that is capable of being tackled fairly there are at least 100 shitheads who say random unproven claim or unaccentuated claim (you fuckers refers to every single person who has posted politics on my basket weaving image boards)
>>12106745>half of Latvian elite (muh nationalism), engaging in damage control over being listed in these documents as snitches for KGBWhere are the surviving documents? Did any leading politicians today send people to the gulags?
>>12106939> for every actual well structured argument that is capable of being tackled fairly there are at least 100 shitheads who say random unproven claim or unaccentuated claimwelcome to 4chan and the internet as a whole, captain reddit
>>12106627> TranniesSeveral cross dresssing SS High ranking officials> GaysMuch more prevalent, nazi soldiers and their higher ups literally made jews strip buttass naked and rape them for kicks lol> JewsHitler was a jew. Several S.S Officers who claimed to be Aryan were also Jews.
>>12106751to be fair, he gave Himmler a compliment and had shekels sent to Hitler's slush fund.
>>12106948>Several S.S Officers who claimed to be Aryan were also Jews.
>>12106910Maybe "forgive" is the wrong word.I was just emphasizing that going straight to praising them may be going a bit too far. Most people want the best for their people, and it can be argued that the Nazis acted like anybody else would have in their same position. My point: no need to go out of our way to praise, but no need to condemn them either.
>>12106951>My point: no need to go out of our way to praise, but no need to condemn them either.The thing is you're inverting it though. I'm attempting to praise their desire to form a better nation for their people, the economy they created, and the war they were able to wage, but you are going out of your way to ensure they must need/want 'forgiveness' along with any of that praise
>>12106910(Bombs U.S Building)Not a terrorist(U.S Blows up a schoolbus)"Somebody needs to nuke this shithole and save Humanity from America!"
>>12106959do you think we'd be surprised by sneaky jews attempting to blend in?
>>12106935I love how people can make claims on /his/ without citation. >Hirschfield was a massive supporter of gay rights and tried to legalize homosexuality by overturning paragraph 175. >but no, the outspoken jewish crossdressing homosexual was secretly collaborating with the National Socialists in a programme to “heal” homosexuality in GermansAlso>The petition to overturn Paragraph 175 signatories included Albert Einstein, Hermann Hesse, Käthe Kollwitz, Thomas Mann, Heinrich Mann, Rainer Maria Rilke, August Bebel, Max Brod, Karl Kautsky, Stefan Zweig, Gerhart Hauptmann, Martin Buber, Richard von Krafft-Ebing, and Eduard Bernstein.
>>12105032was right when built roadswas right when jailed murderers and thieveswas right when smashed faggotryt.communist
>>12105032>Working off of the research of Eugen Steinach, who had recently succeeded in reversing the sexual behavior of animal test subjects, the institute began testing whether or not transplanting the testicles from a heterosexual man to a homosexual man would cure homosexuality. This method of "curing" homosexuality more often than not grew necrotized and resulted in the testicles having to be castrated and was abandoned by 1924.Should've been shut down just for the medical malpractice desu.Also as >>12105767 said, it should raise eyebrows that the Institute went unmolested so long as Ernst Rohm was Hitler's de facto deputy and was only destroyed after the party started setting him up to be purged.
>>12106978Such experiments were common in late 19th and early 20th century.
>>12106961I'm going out of my way to say it's not that black and white. You don't need to condemn someone if you don't praise them, and vice-versa. You also don't need to forgive them if you want to praise them, and vice-versa. My point is that a desire for a better nation for their people is an intention that is shared by many. It's not that remarkable as you'd think, thus, in my opinion not something that deserves explicit reverence. >the economy they created, and the war they were able to wageNow I also agree that this was an amazing feat that was definitely worthy of praise, but we are moving away from their intentions--which in your initial claim was the sole reason for worthiness of praise.
>>12107013> but we are moving away from their intentionsI don't think so, their intentions were to make their nation better and for that I praise them. By claiming that the praise needs to be coupled with an element of forgiveness is you moving the intentions away from praise
>>12106970I don't know if it's true, but you clearly misunderstood it. >secretly collaborating with the National Socialists in a programme to “heal” homosexuality in GermansNSDAP wasn't the ruling party until 1933. Homosexuality was illegal in Weimar Germany, so it's perfectly possible that people engaging in it were sent to this institute for treatment.
>>12106970Yes, they did try to cure homosexuality. They even conducted experiments on homosexuals where they removed their testicles and transplanted in the testicles of recently deceased heterosexuals in an attempt to cure gayness. That did not work nor did their other attempts to cure homosexuality succeed. The institute eventually focused on a therapeutic approach that was meant to teach the homosexual to live in a manner where they would not cause disruption to society. It was thought that this would have the secondary effect of minimizing the homosexuals internal anguish, as it was believed that being closeted was preferable for the patients than to live openly and invite homophobia upon themselves.
>>12106948Honestly, the Nazis should've just made the Jews slaves that contribute solely to the state and war effort. 3rd class citizens kept in line with terror tactics.
Magnus Hirschfeld, the world-famous sexologist and Germany’s foremost spokesman against Paragraph 175, resigned as president of the WhK,an organization he had co-founded and had led for 32 years. With Hirschfeldgone, a younger generation of WhK leaders including Kurt Hiller and Richard Linsert warned that the penal code reform committee’s vote “amount[s] to one step forward and two steps backward.” 79 The step forward was the repeal of the blanket criminalization of male-male sex. The two steps backward were the higher age of consent (21) for men than for women, and the criminalization of male prostitution. Existing law ignored male prostitution; under the new law,a conviction could bring up to ﬁve years in prison. 80It was all about that boipucci.
>>12107090>tfw you realize Night of the Long Knives was really a homosexual civil war
>>12106910>early lifeI should have seen this coming.
>>12105032Wasn’t that the event that sent trannys back 70 years or so?
Ehhhh friendly fire?
>>12107239>Wasn’t that the event that sent trannys back 70 years or so?You are thinking about 1945.The institute got destroyed for exposing Hitler & Co as trannies.
>>12106941>Where are the surviving documents?They are held by Satversmes aizsardzības birojs. Basically, latviean counter-intelligence unit. Also, in the Latvian national archive.>Did any leading politicians today send people to the gulags?Gulags is the Soviet penal system, you retard. They send people to jail there, you know.
>>12105767>The Nazis did not burn the records and the books because it was degenerate. They burned them because many top Nazis had undergone treatment there and they did not want those records to get out.This bit is true. For example, Kronfeld (one of the institutes experts) later wrote a book about upper ranks of NSDAP (Degenerated at power).
>>12107268>"everyone I dislike is really a closeted homo"wow, never heard that one before
>>12107285>prove it>>th.. the records were destroyed>>b..b..but before they were they proved whatever we're saying>>can't disprove it :^)
>>12107293I just don't understand how they grapple with the cognitive dissonance of "there's nothing wrong with homosexuality" and "most of our political opponents were homos"
>>12107307There's no grappling required, they're fully ingrained with the rightthink and can be adjusted to suit whatever narrative the people in control need to push. We can't comprehend their lack of cognition
>>12107285>if I persecute anyone who says that I'm homo, then they all say it just because they don't like meLogiK
>>12107307You do realize that Soviets outlawed male homosexuality before Nazis did?
>>12105767so why do you lie about it?
>>12105767this makes no sense at all, liberals LOVE accusing people they see as bad as being self hating closeted homosexuals
>>12107307>there's nothing wrong with homosexualitywho are you quoting
>>12106825No, gavin mcinnes did on a trudeua satire.He did however say plenty of other retarded shit.>We will grow the economy from the heart outwards.>Deficits are a way of measuring the growth, the kind of success that a government is actually able to create.>I have an admiration for China’s basic dictatorship.
>>>/wsg/4161975What am I watching here? An honest Rabbi? He must be hated by Israel/Jews.
>>12105573I hope you have many trans in your family
>>12106964>bombs us government building as a jew: totally okay>tresspass on us senate building: insurrection by far right terrorists
>>12107368You think? There's a reason there's no source given for this claim
>>12107403tripfag=kike, dont (you) me
>>12107369He thinks US Democrats are a secret branch of Bolsheviks.
Magnus Hirschfeld, so gute Leute! Der große Kämpfer für Schwulen- und Trans-Rechte in Deutschland, Autor der allerersten Trans-Enzyklopädie. Außerordentlicher Übersetzer und Experte für Wissenschaftsgeschichte. Und so großzügig mit seinem Wissen, dass seine Bücher auch in China noch gedruckt werden!Das letzte Mal hatte ich das Vergnügen, mit ihm zu sprechen, war 1925 in Wien, kurz bevor sein Buch "Transsexualität" endlich veröffentlicht wurde. Wir haben über Geschichte, Feminismus, politischen Aktivismus und Transgeschichte gesprochen. Ich hoffe, dieses Interview gibt Ihnen einen Eindruck von Magnus Hirschfeld und seinem bemerkenswerten Leben.Sie haben einen hervorragenden Ruf als Historiker der Transgender-Studien. Warum denkst Du, das ist?Ich würde sagen, wenn man Transgeschichte genau verfolgt, befindet man sich plötzlich mitten in viel Geschichte, aber es wurde noch nicht viel wissenschaftliche Arbeit geleistet. Es ist wie eine historische Periode. Es besteht also Bedarf an einem solchen akademischen Zentrum. Meine Bücher waren die ersten Trans-Enzyklopädien.
>>12105573Rare based post on 4cuck
>>12105767at last I truly see...
>>12106627>Just like with chasing Jews out of the gentile countries.That doesn't work, you imbecile. It didn't work in medieval times and it sure as fuck isn't going to work in the age of the internet.
>>12106948>Several cross dresssing SS High ranking officialsFalse.>>12106948>Much more prevalent, nazi soldiers and their higher ups literally made jews strip buttass naked and rape them for kicks lolFalse.>>12106948>Hitler was a jew. Several S.S Officers who claimed to be Aryan were also Jews.False.
I love how you’re trying to rehabilitate a modern degenerate Frankenstein but seriously /his/, get some fucking taste. Hirschfield was worse than the rumors about Mengele, the only difference is Hirschfield gets a pass since he was a progressive jew.
>>12107369You will be kicked out of literally every socialist organisation outside North Korea if you claim that fascists are just coping homos>but the Soviets-USSR does not exist anymore
>>12107234You need to work on your JewDar
>>12105573How is regressing back to prechristian pederasty progress?
Far more important than burning books about gays, the nazis burned books by Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mehring, Bebel, Liebknecht, Luxemberg and more. And they weren't merely burned but completely banned.
>>12110147>the nazis burned books by Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mehring, Bebel, Liebknecht, Luxemberg and more. And they weren't merely burned but completely banned.Good
>>12105032Retards burning faggots, I see nothing wrong here.