This is what the creators of civilisation were like genetically. This was Rome and the Etruscans.
>>11930314So ancient romans are indeed the modern italiansamazing how those myths and obsessions on romans and greeks almost all fell apart with genetics.I remember to listen people claim they were nordics, and then they no longer exist, all garbage
>>11930314Creators my ass, they stole it from the Greeks
>>11930417>So ancient romans are indeed the modern italiansYeah. Meanwhile this is who destroyed civilisation. So much for the Nordicist claims to civilisation.
>>11930314>the creators of civilisationEgypt and Sumer would like a word>>11930429how do I use this fancy tool to make dna autism charts like this?
>>11930442G25. But distance of PCA can be misleading.
>>11930314new etruscan samples outnumber all these samples by a lot and they come from many archeological sites and they confirm all this, most of them north italians, corsicans(sardinian shifted central italians), central italians and spanish with a sprinkle of south italians and south frenchwest meds are truly the creators of civilization, italians and greeks are west med, even south italians, central italians and southern continental greeks are closer to portoguese and corsicans(west meds) than to east med(aka levantines, east med is just another name for levantine) like lebanese(the most european shifted levantines) this is obviously even more true for other levantine(aka east med) like palestinians, jordanians, syrians and iraqis
>>11930473How do I run my own DNA through G25?
>>11930505I don't know. I think people send the data to Davidsky and he converts them to G25 coordinates or something.
>>11930473>G25.wtf i love sardinians now
>>11930417>So ancient romans are indeed the modern italiansnope, major genetic shifts happened>amazing how those myths and obsessions on romans and greeks almost all fell apart with genetics.nearly all got confirmed actually> then they no longer existconfirmed
>>11930505You can make the coordinates yourself by converting your raw data
>>11930314What's up with ITA_etruscan_o1? Why is it so different from the other etruscan samples?
>>11930848he had nafri ancestryneedless to say OP as typical is misleading, these are averages so some of them contain multiple samples i.e the "Etruscan" is two samplesalso there's no such "_o2" Etruscan outlier, he deliberately renamed an Imperial era sample from Etruria from another study to make it pass as iron age
>>11930848East Med admixture
>>11930867>also there's no such "_o2" Etruscan outlier, he deliberately renamed an Imperial era sample from Etruria from another study to make it pass as iron agenot OP, it was called etruscan_o2 a few weeks ago
>>11930494basedthe east med vermin(levantine) can't stand a chance against the west med civilization builder
>>11930867>heWait a second, every bar represents one dna sample instead of one set of dna samples? Are you telling me this thread is based on the analysis of 12 individuals? Fucking christ what is even the point of fighting over something so unreliable?What a waste of time.
>>11930867Based nafris, every paper on southern europe show either nafri individuals or nafri admixture
>>11930675dude. They are the modern italians, look above they are their closest populations alive.and if you mtahc in a pca they are close and fall over
>>11930935in any case, he's the Imperial era rural Etrurian from that one minor study from a year ago, he's dated to ~230AD
>>11930988not gonna bother anymore with you clowns, data is clear, post as many meme pictures with hilarious misunderstandings of basic english as you please
>>11930981It does, pretty surprising desu. It seems like European-North African contacts were more frequent than Euro-Near Eastern ones. In the new paper another 4 or 5 Etruscans/Latins show admixture with North Africans.
>>11930975> Are you telling me this thread is based on the analysis of 12 individuals?no, some do and some don'tthe etruscan non _o1 is two samples for examplebut yes they aren't many samples, they are pretty accurate tho, we have a new study about etruscans with 40+ samples and they more or less are similar to those two etruscans with some outliers
>>11930994>quotes from studies>g25 matching>pca'sYes indeed data is clear, just look above. From any time you want, the closest populations are their own or even greeks.
>>11930975the label in the "distance to" is an average of individuals in general, but especially for the iron age/republic these are generally only 1 samplebut anyway, a much bigger and thorough study is about to come out, the data is already out, abstract in >>11930675 , pic related are the much more numerous samples forming the Etruscan cluster with some reference populations
>>1193097511+30 imperial But there's more than 80 now. Soon there will be even more.
>>11930314>the Etruscans.TVRCIC BVLLS>RomeTVRCIC BVLLS from Troy.
>>11930531using modern populations (that share dna with each other) to model ancient pops.oh lord
>>119309963 samples show some admixturebut overall they are very similar to north italians and the older etruscan samples
>>11930988"They are" who do you mean with "they" ? Which romans?
>>11931056all of them from all ages, since the averages of all of them, their closest populations are modern italians.
>>11931034>Soon there will be even more.in what study?
>>11931064>all of them from all agesIt doesn't work like that
>>11931085There's somehting about Magna Graecia, and another thing about I think Sicily. There's the Daunian paper (aboult Apulia).And while not exactly in Italy there's the Viminacium paper about Roman Serbia.
The main Iron Age cluster is between Spanish/North Italians and Sardinians. Most modern Italians aren't that related to them.
>>11931127There's a lot more modern Italian samples now, wow. A lot of thse are clearly pulled towards Slavs. I'm guessing it's Northeast Italy.
>>11931127most modern italians are pretty much related to them
it's also worth noting though, after all of the studies that came out, that these Etruscans largely resemble the bronze age samples from North Italy pre Urnfield/Villanovan invasionsthis, especially taking into consideration the linguistic link with Rhaetians, could maybe indicate a possible source of the language, while the more steppe-shifted samples could be those that had additional Villanovan/Urnfield ancestry
>>11931162they look somewhat more sardinian/eef shifted
Rome was overrun by immigrants the imperial samples are half anatolian/levantine and samples from rural areas are also mixedAnd then after germanic invasions they get northern shifted againCoincidence?
>>11931162They are pretty much the same population. I think the Etruscans are somewhat more farmer than the Italic samples, but the difference is rather small. Both groups seems to be mostly U152, which was probably the main Urnfield/Villanovan Y-DNA.
>>11931178I think not, though it's possible rather than pure Germanics, broadly north Italian/Pannonian provincial contributed to the northern shift. I can't help but notice how the Italian cline is almost perfectly in line with the Roman legionary sample from south Germany pre invasions and the Anatolian/Levantine rich populations. This "DEU_Roman"-like people could've easily been in north Italy as well, we need samples from there.
>>11931208The early medieval Roman samples from North Italy (Collegno) don't look like that, though. It's late empire, this guy could be anything.
>>11930675Sounds like another poorly made study where they will try to pass 1000 BC naked savages living in mudhuts as Repubblican Romans. They did the same with the recent Balkan and Daunian papera where they had a bunch of 1200 BC protovillanovans forming the "Republic Rome" cluster. Kek
>>11931274jesus what a sad copethe mudhut dwellers created Roma and its imperium, your beloved eastern fast food consoomers from pompeii ran it to the ground
>>11931274because they more or less werestay mad talebthe west med stomps the east med vermin from lebanon again
>>11931274Villanovans are basically even more pure proto-Latins. There won't be many late republican-early empire samples because of how common was cremation back then. At best we will get samples from early republic, kingdom and earlier. It will be hard to tell when exactly the East Med shift happened.
>>11930675>So ancient romans are indeed the modern italiansNorth Italians.
>>11931127The two very Northern (North/Central French like) samples from the Etruscan set are interesting. Without dates it's impossible to tell who they were. Could be Gauls.
>>11931300That would be just a coincidence they turn out more similarThey still dont have as much whg which what defines west med such as original romans afaikTarget: Italian_BergamoDistance: 2.6615% / 0.0266148460.2 TUR_Barcin_N33.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara6.6 WHG
>>11931317Add East Med.
>>11931309I think so, they both carry G2, but particularly, one of them carries G2-L497, the same variant as a La Tene sample from France. This is also the most frequent variant of G2 in Liguria.
>>11931323East med means iranian/caucasus and/or natufian admixture
>>11931274Holy cope Achmed, you're pathetic>naked savages in 1200 bc Apulia Lol they were a thousand times more advanced than the troglodytes inhabiting the Maghreb at the time, late bronze age Apulians had fortified sites, sophisticated bronze metallurgy, wheel made pottery, of course plenty of evidence of spinning and weaving, so the very opposite of "naked savages", evidence of long range trade, and even evidence of purple dye production (Coppa Nevigata). Maghrebi troglodytes were literal cavemen at the time
>>11931333It means Anatolia/Levant Bronze Age. Hellenized East most likely.
So Proto-Italics were what, R1b-U152 and J2?
>>11931341Which is basically what i saidAnd northern italians have nonePlus the hellenistic east med is still just a hypothesis so far
>>11931344Italics themselves seem essentially U152+. Same for Etruscans but there seem to be some I2a2 as well. J2 too, but as expected it's mostly that bronze age Balkan/Adriatic J2b2 incorporated at some time
>>11931317>That would be just a coincidence they turn out more similar>They still dont have as much whg which what defines west med such as original romans afaikitalians are more or less pretty similar to ancient italic, even if not exactly the sameno other nation is scrutinized when it comes to genetic continuity as much as italy, you have northern europeans here claiming to be early corded ware for fuck sake
>>11931344+ some G2a, maybe I2 and other subclades of R1b. I think a Z2103 has been found in one sample (the Yamnaya haplo). Yes, most likely just this.
>>11931337why do you talk about maghrebis wtf
>>11931356Both were pretty much the same. There were very few IA samples in the original Roman paper, that's why it showed only R1b (and J2b in the Etruscan). With more samples all of Italic tribes will probably resemble the Etruscan samples.
>>11931358there's no "Italians", the only broadly similar samples are north Italians from Lombardy in particular, and it's significant since these were samples from central Italy and possibly even southmuch of Italy shifted quite significantly
>>11931374largely yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're seeing half the picture due to the unbalanced sampling bias towards inhumators vs the Latino-Faliscan rite of choice of cremation
>>11931380even other north italians are similar and central italians are still pretty similar even if less
>>11931397In terms of autosomal, probably not. There could be some Y-DNA difference, though.
Egypt and Sumerians are the creators of civilization faggots. Gayreek boyfuckers and Rome(Sea people) nigger tongue my hairy anusIf you dont exist in pic related, your most likely a subhuman
>>11931398>>11931380wow, look at this genetic distance, totally a different peoplebut germans are identical to early corded ware
>>11931419of course you chose the average of 2 only with the one Balkan shifted samplethe distance with the much bigger Etruscan cluster is ~4.6%
>>11931337>late bronze age Apulians had fortified sites, sophisticated bronze metallurgy, wheel made pottery, of course plenty of evidence of spinning and weaving,It sounds exactly like African Zulus, who at least had Iron. Kek
>>11931433i will have to see for myself what did you include or exclude as the average, it's probably less, but that wouldn't be a huge distance eitherpoint is, you are talking like there's such a gigantic distance and modern italians are another people completely when it's not the case, look at other populations and they have even less genetic continuity
>>11930505You must give 12 shekels to Davidski alongside your raw data.
>>11931461for samples from the same region it's relatively significant, but most importantly, it's also kinda misleading, because Tuscans and alike got shifted back north by other populationsthe distance with the rural Etrurian sample from 230AD is 6.3%, quite big by west Eurasian standards over less than 1000 yearsthe fact itself that Iberians often show even smaller distances(Valencia 3.3% vs Tuscan 4.6%) tells you that the population shifts have been non trivial, pretty much no mainland population in Italy has recovered the WHG levels of these CENTRAL Italians, which is quite significantpeople keep ignoring that the double shift north -> south -> north that happened creates more an illusion of continuity than actual continuity, and the same is becoming clear for Greece as well
They weren't Nordic, yeah.
>>11931486Is the rural Etrurian sample on G25? It sounds like this guy was more like Iron Age samples than the imperial ones.
>>11931486sure, but fact is that overall it's not a great change and a great distance
>>11931344Some of the U152 in Italy came later and it came from Gaul. Part of the post-Roman northern shift is probably just migrants from Gaul. They never lived far away and it would fit with historical sources.
>>11931507it's named ITA_Etruria_Imperial, and it's closest to the Late_Antiquity Roman average
I sent my semen sample to Davidski but he never called back. The guy is a fraud.
>>11931486> pretty much no mainland population in Italy has recovered the WHG levels of these CENTRAL Italiansit didn't only lose whg they were more anatolian farmer too >>11931208 they were more shifted towards sardinathat's why corsica always comes up in ancient italians, corsicans they are kinda central italian but with more anatolian farmerand that's also why modern italians and spaniards are closer to north europeans than these ancient italics
>>11931446There are some iron tools from late bronze age Italy, anyway, still far better than Maghrebis at the time, and I doubt Zulus had wheel-made pottery or produced purple dye
The closest samples to the Cisalpine Gaul would be probably those Iron Age Slovenian ones. They aren't yet published, but on the PCA they look somewhat South French/North Spanish.
>>11931544thisit was already evident by looking at the older samples, they had a bit more anatolian farmer admixture than modern italians and a bit less steppe, but with the newest samples the difference is even more dramatic, the anatolian farmer is much higher on average and the steppe is decreased by quite a bit, they resemble a lot the bronze age italics from broion>>11931600that wouldn't be too surprisingiron age balkan was more west med, with most samples resembling modern north italians, so probably in the north of the balkans(slovenia) the higher steppe admixture would put them in south france
>>11931600Something like that with a lot of U152 probably shifted Italy back from Near Eastern to regular southern
>>11931615why did they have such a low amount yamnaya(for european standards) and so much anatolian farmer?
>>11931792Most of South Europe looked kind of like that in the past. Many populations had higher WHG too.
>>11931792EHRM.... Etruscans are Non-Indoeuropean anon...
>>11931615Interesting, except for VET005 Etruscans from Vetulonia (In Tuscany) seem to have less steppe than Etruscans from Tarquinia (in Lazio)
>>11931792Not that low t b h. Most of Europe is not high yamnaya.
>>11931845not extremely low, but it's still pretty low for european standardsmodern central italians and most south italians even have morein italy only calabria and campania get below 25% yamnaya samara in the same model>>11931792south europe was more anatolian farmer (adn whg) in general and less steppe, that's why all these ancient italics often end up being closer to corsicans than to north italians or spaniards despite corsicans being closer to tuscans than to north italians or spaniards, it's because corsicans are very rich in anatolian farmer
>>11931902>in italy only calabria and campania get below 25% yamnaya samara in the same modelThose samples from Ravaene are literally crap. There are like 2 Calabrians and the Campanians uploaded from GEDMATCH have 25-26% of Yamnaya.
>>11930429Fake. Goths and Vandals were Slavic BVLLS. Franks were Celtic BVLLS. G*rms were never capable of anything, not even conquest of another civilisation.
>>11931127>that lonely Sardinian This is it, on G25 this guy has no steppe ancestry.
>>11931939the last uncucked european
>>11931939If he's from Vetulonia that wouldn't surprise me
>>11931952It's a modern sample. Distance to: Italian_North_Sardinia:GRC143393910.03214477 ITA_Sardinia_Nuragic_contam0.03381588 ITA_Remedello_BA0.03585776 ITA_Sardinia_N0.03587725 FRA_MN_FLR0.03630186 ITA_Sardinia_EBA0.03758833 ITA_Sardinia_Nuragic0.03873966 FRA_MN_GRG0.03880841 ITA_Monte_San_Biagio_CA0.03890410 ITA_Sardinia_C0.03907037 ITA_Sardinia_ECA0.03932790 Iberia_N0.04056542 CHE_LN0.04082526 CHE_FN0.04098303 Iberia_Southeast_MLN0.04188898 ITA_Sardinia_LCA0.04280393 IRL_EN0.04290367 FRA_Grand_Est_MN0.04302181 IRL_LN0.04343640 FRA_MN_PRI0.04344589 POL_TRB0.04382813 Iberia_Southeast_CA0.04413763 IRL_Megalithic0.04431299 ITA_LaSassa_CA0.04482780 CHE_LN_contam0.04527716 Wales_N
>>11931965Interesting, The North Sardinian samples were collected in villages from Barbagia of Nuoro, Goceano, MonteAcuto, a wide area characterized by the presence of high hills and mountains
>>11931178>>11931208Germans are nazis who killed all the diverse enriching (((Levantine))) immigrants. What a shame.
>>11931939I want to know his Y haplogroup
>>11932039How inbred are they?
>>11930417more MENA in moderns
>>11932659>hello yes we're here for the bread delivery
>>11932661>N*rdic subhuman rapebaby of CHG/Iran rich brown Asian nomads and White farmers from Southern Europe.
>>11932661Why does this cause so much seethe?
>>11931476He's busy reading comments from schizo Slavic nationalists
Incoming neolithic samples from Georgia
>>11932805Because we only have a handful of actual Roman (Republic) samples, and they have more "MENA" admixture than modern Italians, and Norducks keep obsessing over a bunch of very ancient samples from around 1000 BC, while also ignoring DNA analysis showing modern Italians as lighter in skin/hair/eye pigmentation compared to those Iron Age Italics finally putting to rest the theory of Nordic Roman patricians wuz nordic and sheet.>The variant rs16891982, linked to darker eyes and hair, shows a significant difference between post-BA Italy group and previous groups from Italy, with the frequency decreasing in Central Italy starting in the newly reported Chalcolithic individuals and with the lowest values observed for the newly reported BA individuals and the post-Roman Republic Central Italy group. This difference is particularly notable compared to N Central Italy and Sardinian groups prior to the BAhttps://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)00535-2?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982221005352%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
>>11932978what a lying scummy little mongrel you are
>>11932978Stop with this schizo Nordicist strawman
>>11931937Goths and franks were germs anon. Modern populations that test closest to Goths are the swedes.
is /his/ the worst board on 4chan? what a bunch of manchildren
>>11933162>good board>on 4chanpick one
>>11933162Yes, but there were at one point funny and original threads like finno hyper wars / out of place artifacts threads / impressive megalith threadsNow there are troll pit threads like this but the trolling isn't funny and it's probably mostly south Americans and Asians shit posting.
>>11933166>he doesn't knowngmi
>>11933364>he doesn't knownever ever finna make it
>>11933413>being this unawaretee hee he
>>11931486the obsession is real.The samples show continuity, they are the most similar or top 3, what do these retards want more? 100% match of components, that does not ocurr in any place in europe.
>>11933434>The samples show continuitythey don't, you are completely intellectually bankrupt and on a copium overdose after getting demolished by datathe only obsessive thing here is your persistent denial in light of the most recent studies all saying the same thing, population displacement
>>11933415>talking about being unawarelulz
>>11933471>she pretends to know despite not actually knowing
>>11930314and here's greeks
>>11933494why are you talking about yourself fag? You will never be a girl btw.
>>11933434the sample show acceptable continuity, compared to northern europe at leastitaly is held to the highest possible standard, if the distance is not in the 1% range it means italy is the mutt capital of the world, but your average german is a pure early cwc and pure GAC at the same time even if the distance between germans and these two is over 10%
>>11933517>she tries to project her sex change and recoils in anger when confronted about it
>>11933528yeah, everyone knows you're a troon by now, you're leaving way to many clues, dilate
>>11933536>it's a self hating tranny episode
>>11933536I bet a tranny could beat your limp-wristed incel ass up.
>>11933587>this level of tranny seethe
>>11933592stop projecting, pussy>>11933598yeah, I don't know why you're seething, all cause you don't know the good boards on 4chins, and went on a dilating rant, lmfao, never ever gonna make it
>>11933619>No they don't. All studies show that a lot of Italic males joined Greeks and both fucked some MENAs girls. Hardly "replacement".Is that denial? That's not what the studies show
>>11933619copium overdose, tired of even engaging with you resentful coping mongrels, see >>11930675
>>11933634Show me the MENA y-dna lineages in Italy. We have all kind of J2 and E1b1b from native Greeks, Etruscans, Daunians and Balkaners.
>>11933648>Shitskins posting autosomal DNA xharts when we are talking about haplogroupsKekTypical subhuman shitskin living in Italy.
>>11933649Italy is like 15% J2 and 11% E1b. Not from MENA but some of that is from Anatolia, Syria, Lebanon. Cyprus.
>>11933648>mongrelsif italians are mongrels so are youfar more than italians i would say
>>11933188Kek, butthurt shitalian detectedGo make another thread about mena to relieve your ass pain
>>11933682the distance between a swedish and an early corded ware is really enormoustruly one of the most dramatic population replacements in history
>>11933682Italians are gigamutts no question about it. You can't even count the replacements that happened in Italy on 2 hands. Just back and forth replacement for all of history but that's true for most places so who cares.
>>11933678All those places were raped by GrecoRomans and we have ancient samples from Southern Europe with E-v13 and J2a/J2b with no MENA autosomal dna. It looks just like they are just some shared Neolitich ancestry at best, although some Europe HG already had J1 and shit.
>>11933706>some Europe HG already had J1 and shit.0 Euro HG samples with J1 exist>inb4 wild accusationsI don't give a shit about Italian genetics
>>11933705>Italians are gigamutts no question about it.and so are swedish peoplei mean just look at these, there's no genetic continuity
>>119336823000BC vs 0BC/antiquity, totally same thingno one denies the impact of CWC in north Europebutthurt brown manlets like you are in massive denial about the fact that being interconnected with the middle east had important ethnic consequencesGracchi were right, COPE harder, you are descendant of latifundia farming equipment and the dregs of the Orontes
>>11933717Do you think I'm Swedish? Are the Swedes with us in this room? Man this board is full of schizos. >POL_Globular_AmphoraKek
>>11933730He thinks that everyone with an interest in the OBVIOUS East Med ancestry influx in Italy is a Nordicist Varg follower
>>11933705Nice projection.But BROWN BVLLS with CHG/Iran rich ancestry raped ancient White farmers resulting in modern 40% Anatolian "Northern Europeans".Nordics are the ultimatetimate mutts. Kek
>>11933732Are you unironically suggesting that the J2 in Italy is from fucking EHGs? I'm dying
>>11933724>no one denies the impact of CWC in north Europeyou don't deny it, but you claim to be a CWC, when you obviously aren't>Gracchi were right, COPE harder, you are descendant of latifundia farming equipment and the dregs of the Oronteshi swedish anon, it's really easy to spot you, you should change you terminologywhy are you so obsessed with italy?
>>11933730>POL_Globular_Amphorayou can pick any of the anatolian farmer rich people that mixed with early corded ware in northern europe and it would give back the same result
>>11933752It's J1, you illuterate moron and none suggested it comes from EHG. J1 is like 0-2% in Italy anyway.
>>11933752no all it says is that 1 karelian EHG sample had basal J1.
>>11933717>>11933682northern europeans are truly a made up mutt racethey are so distant from their ancestors it's unbelievable, literally zero genetic continuity
>>11933450You are delusional mohammed.How can you look at this (pic) and keep claiming a replacement or displacement.
>>11933767NW/NE Euros are a mix of steppe and farmers like that. Southern euros are a mix of the same but in different proportions with East Med ancestry that came afterwards. All euros are mutts but southerners the most because of how close they were to the Mediterranean.
>>11933788this is just so sad and pathetic, so utterly demolished by all recent studies they have to resort to cherrypicking specific irrelevant admixture runs that hide the displacement in fucking stone age components from thousands of years before these events, of course utterly IGNORING like the plague the qpAdm models in the paperyou are really a fantastic and academically interesting example of just how powerful denial is
>>11933791northern europeans seem to be far more mutted to methey aren't close to ANY of their ancestors, they are distant from early CWC and yamanya, they are very distant from anatolian farmers
>>11933791NE euros have Asian mix from Ural Mongoloids and NW Euros were totally irrelevant inbreds untill yesterday. The moment they become powerful they decided do import hundreds of millions of Black, Indian, Hispanic and Arab MALES in their lands to have sex with native females. KEK
>>11933805so according to this iron age and repbublic had 10% east mediterranean and modern italians have 0%?are you sure this supports your point my man?
>>11933770>CHG J1 got into Finnish EHG, therefore J2 in Italy is not from Anatolia Chalcolithic/BA Iran_N rich farmers Holy smokes the copes
>>11933805>Skip to autosomal DNAShow me the real MENA YDNA lineages in Italians that weren't present in ancient Europeans with not MENA autosomal DNA, you filthy disgusting subhuman living in Italy on welfare? I am waiting you.
>>11933805stop living in your own mind migrant on italian soil. No one was demolished on anything come back to planet earth and take the medication already, explain 2019 Margareth study, where the continuity is evident. Sampling from all ages shows continuity, the dominance of 3 core components and smalls shifts here and there. Not even one word of what you have said has anything to do with whwta was showed to you lil mongrel. Academic is here:>>11933788cope dilate and setthe inferiority complexed border jumper
>>11933820the limited(11) samples were overwhelmingly(8/11) within a haplotype sharing cluster that is maximized in central-north Euroepans and Basquesnow we have a far bigger amount of Etruscan samples from the first millennium BC saying the same thing, completely confirming what happened and the replacement that took place, READ the picture in >>11930675COPE
>>11933808>northern europeans seem to be far more mutted to meYeah you obviously have some bone to grind with them. It's a shame how the data doesn't support your view, almost as if you're an ethnonationalist in denial about his East Med ancestry. I bet your haplogroup is J2 too.
>>11933853these people are the pure, living manifestation of ressentiment, it's seriously almost embarrassing how powerful it isGoths, Franks, Lombards, etc... really did a number on their little servile spirits, I blame nationalism for giving them delusional ideas
>>11933840>the limited(11) samples were overwhelmingly(8/11) within a haplotype sharing cluster that is maximized in central-north Euroepans and Basquesthey don't seem to have anything to do with central and north europeans my guy >>11931615
I have no idea what is going on here but the seething meds need to take their meds asap
>>11933521It's about agenda anon-There are too many people obsessed with those issues. And like always the historically glorious are the point of all issues. Yes germans don´t match 100% with ancient germans, neither do english, neither do russians, but that's irrelevant, what matters is italians.
>>11933840>Basques>North EuropeansKekNot they don't. They overlap with modern Italians and Spaniards. We don't know the origin and the age of those recent published Etruscan samples anyway and the study looks like some nonsense anyway.
>>11933853so you don't deny itinterestingyes northern europeans are truly mutts
>>11933862haplotype sharing is not the exact same thing as admixturethey had definitely lots of EEF, but it was really Euro EEF, and relatively rich in WHG
>>11933861>Goths, Franks, Lombards, etc... really did a number on their little servile spirits, I blame nationalism for giving them delusional ideasWe wuz Barbarians and sheet! KekElite Franks were J2 and Charlemagne had Roman ancestryhttps://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4326-J2-at-Merovingian-buriel-site-(Roman-Frankish-transitional-period)"Goths" were mostly Hunnic-Sarmatians. Lombards quickly mutted with natives to the point that noble Italian families in the High Middle Ages were basically Italian.
>>11933885>haplotype sharing is not the exact same thing as admixture>they had definitely lots of EEF, but it was really Euro EEF, and relatively rich in WHGah, so you finally admit you are just a nordicist and all of this was a contrived way just to "prove" that ancient italians were nordicsorry but they were southern europeans with a shitton of eef and low yamnayathat's why they cluster closer to italians than to northern europeans
>>11933705If italians are gigamutts, that are probably the most west-euasian or caucasid population of Europe, what are the rest of the europeans? gigamongrels?
>>11933874Why would I? They're mutts but have been pretty much the same since the bronze age (Bongs, Dutch, Scandis, parts of Germany) but more recent replacements happened in southern europe. The Balkans especially has been revealed to be mutt central.
>>11933905truly a pathetic spectacle you are, living ressentimentGoths should've truly put your kind out of your misery, but then again someone had to do servile beastly jobs
>>11933934>Focusing on age instead of admixtureYou are the ultimate mutt yourself.
>>11933885cope lolancient italics were not central/north europeansthey were southern europeans
>>11933934northern europe seem to be the mutt capital of europe
>>11933942>Goths from PolandKekWhat about actual Goths who fought the Roman Empire along the danube? They are mostrly Iranian-Hunnic from the recent Balkan DNA paper.
>>11933943>getting this emotional about factsYikes. I don't even have a horse in this race. Norf Europe FC has bronze age continuity but Souf FC bought a few more players when they had the Roman empire. The Irish are pretty much still beakers.
>>11933962>Medieval Ostrogoths>Siberia, Caucasus, Iran
>>11933968Both ultimate mutts of Brown Iranoids/Asians and White farmers.>But we have continuity since yesterday.
>>11930429Imperial Rome destroyed itself through inner strife in the crisis of the 3rd century. I'm sure pic related is mere coincidence.
>>11933985They weren't brown or Asian. They were the fathers of like 95% of meds. You are probably their direct descendant unless you're pure J2 East Med without a single drop of Arab blood phenotype.
Italian Lazio vs ReginaMargherita BA, 6.5% distanceSpanish Murcia vs Iberia Aoutheast BA, 6.2% distanceGreek Peloponnese vs Mycenaean BA, 6.4% distanceSwedish vs Swedish Olljso BA, 2.4% distanceIrish vs Irish BA, 2.7% distance
>>11930314>ITA Rome Imperial>Italian Jewwtf jews destroyed rome confirmed????? its over jew bros
>>11933991Mostly Euro Barbarians costantly revolting. Half of your ancestors passed through the slave markets of Rome if you are European.
>>11934026Shitalian trannies on copium maximum in 3...2...1...
>>11933991do you still believe in the dark genes that destroy the delicate white civilization?the roman empire fell for many reasons
>>11934026Distance to: SWE_BA0.05385515 SwedishDistance to: ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA0.03397859 Italian_Aosta_Valley0.03549518 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige0.03773729 Italian_Veneto0.03875628 Italian_Bergamo0.04260222 Italian_Northeast0.04321810 Italian_Lombardy0.04566757 Italian_Piedmont0.05176919 Italian_Liguria0.05251440 Italian_Tuscany0.06149123 Italian_Umbria0.06281357 Italian_Marchenice cherrypicking
>>11934082cuckswede on suicide watch
>>11934108He is not the swede, but the braindead schizo that lives in Italy. An immigrant. Most surely a non-european. It's impossible to a native italian to be so obsessed with proving s.italians have 10% irand/natufian.
>>11934082Try Late NeolithicDistance to: SWE_LN0.03861570 Swedish0.03880385 Danish0.03930235 Norwegian0.04045444 Icelandic0.04059083 Dutch0.04299117 Orcadian0.04359375 Welsh0.04378032 Scottish0.04465017 Afrikaner0.04486004 Irish0.04510712 English0.04577632 German0.04721171 Shetlandic0.04761473 English_Cornwall0.04790254 French_Brittany0.05140477 German_East0.05160630 Czech0.05260658 Slovakian0.05335207 Austrian0.05371390 French_Pas-de-Calais0.05527517 Belgian0.05714724 Hungarian0.05775539 French_Nord0.05836666 French_Seine-Maritime0.06042984 French_AlsaceAlso the Irish distance to Irish BA is even lower so you can't say that norf europeans aren't close to their LNBA counterparts, even superficially. Same with Anglos. Meds are probably superficially close to bronze age meds because they received immigrants from places with similar ancestry already, like Anatolians going to Rome?>inb4 I get accused of being a Nordicist from Europe
>>11934169>we BTFO'd the Vargtards inside our heads
>>11934185we will try whatever you want>it's even lower
>>11934178This I truly hoped the nigga was at least pro Padania but he is 100% anti Italian seep inside. Truly a subhuman.
Tell me again why East Med ancestry in Italy is such a sensitive topic for some because I honestly don't get it. Isn't that what studies also say? >Gene flow from the Near East instead seems to have affected mainly Central Italy and for a longer period than other regions of the peninsula . Finally, Southern Italians were found to present genetic affinity with populations from the Eastern Mediterranean and particularly from Crete, Cyprus, and the Anatolian/Dodecanese islands , with people from Sicily also showing increased proportion of ancestry components likely introduced during the Arab occupation of the island [14, 16]. >According to this picture, the ancestors of present-day Italians are supposed to have experienced an extraordinarily tangled history of migrations and gene flow, which is the main factor underlying the well-established cultural and genetic diversity of the Italian population, some of the most outstanding among those observable across the entire European continent .https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32438927/
>>11934208I literally just posted the Late Neolithic average, you're posting early Neolithic. Don't tell me you think I'm a Nordic schemer against the Italian race for posting this.
>>11934178think whatever you please and draw whatever target helps you cope with getting utterly demolished, pounded and btfo every single time you try to argue with me, still won't change anything>>11934227petty nationalism, massive resentiment towards their feudal northern lords and masters pointing out their lowly servile, casteless and mutted origins
There lived a weird population somewhere in North Balkans/Hungary in the Bronze Age. They don't resemble later Iron Age samples and their distance to Slavs is purely coincidental. Distance to: HRV_Jag_MBA:JAG930.05049713 Slovenian0.05245518 Croatian0.05583934 Austrian0.05597464 Serbian0.05606250 BosnianDistance to: HRV_Jag_MBA:JAG820.06280721 German_East0.06312841 Czech0.06404060 Slovakian0.06412661 Sorb_Niederlausitz0.06435149 SlovenianI didn't realize how weird these guys are until I saw them on a PCA. They actually don't have that much Yamnaya, but a lot of WHG. More than GAC or TRB. Where they came from? Target: HRV_Jag_MBA:JAG93Distance: 5.3453% / 0.0534528951.4 TUR_Barcin_N29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara19.2 WHGTarget: HRV_Jag_MBA:JAG82Distance: 4.5048% / 0.0450481742.6 TUR_Barcin_N29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara27.8 WHG
>>11930314>Rome and Etruscans>creators of civilisation
>>11934250Yeah fine but you obviously don't seem like a big fan of them either. Ressentiment causes more Ressentiment.
>>11934185the neolithic, you mean when northern europe was populated by EEFyes, definitely italy wins there hands down
>>11934254the one with almost 30% whg has a ton of whg and more than a GAC, but the other doesn't have much more than a GAC
>>11934270gotta reply to them on their levelI have limited myself to report quote by quote and image by image what academic results are reportingI could even quote papers made by Italians and Spaniards saying what I'm saying and they'd still be in denial and invoke nordicist boogeymen, they are inoperable
>>11934213>the only time italians can look white is by standing next to a nilotic
>>11934272The average I posted is also from the Neolithic. Corded Ware in the Nordic countries was middle Neolithic. >le ITALY WIN MY AUTISTIC COMPETITIONIt's not a competition and Italy has fuck all continuity so stop being such a stuck up cunt
>>11934227because every major genetic study shows that as a general rule, there was very little MENA inflow in italy. it was almost entirely greekthe little MENA influence there that existed is ashkenazi (probably due to the destruction of Judea), and those aren't syrians/palestinians/ect
>>11934244No, i'm just showing you how it rolls on "continuity."
>>11934297>Corded Ware in the Nordic countries was middle Neolithic.what. corded ware is well after the middle neolithic
>>11934250the cope is all yours schizoid, just look at the mirror, the "utterly demolished, pounded and btfo" never happened sperg, only in your shitskin head.1). It was not only proved continuity:>>11933788, but2) the closest populations to ALL ANCIENT AGES, are modern italians3) several Bronze age and even Iron age samples already had a good portion of those components, even etruscans: >>11931615Yes indeed the cope is yours.
>>11934297this is what the actual neolithic looked like in northern europe >>11934208italy has more genetic continuity, so stop being such a bitch and admit you have fuck all continuity with your ancestors
>>11934351Middle Neolithic phase III or Eneolithic because they were agriculture'd later than most of Europe
>>11934360>Late Neolithic isn't the Neolithic because of my feefees
Do real Nordicists even exist on this board or is it just a strawman accusation thrown against anyone who dares question the unmistakable unbroken purity of the Italian man? Really makes you think
>>11934376Middle Neolithic phase III is apparently between 3,750 - 3,500 BCE still way before corded ware
>>11934382>the bulk of the neolithic period doesn't count
>>11930837how do I do this
>>11934398You sure about that, pimp? If phase II ended in 3000 BCE then it makes sense that phase III followed it after that
>>11934397fuck off Varg
>>11933934Do you know what's a replacement? if there had been a replacement, These results would never occur:>>11930314>>11933788even with a possible east med impact there, or from greeks or from whatever.That's not a replacement
>>11934433oh never mind your're talking about neolithic northern europe timeline
>>11934397The modern Nordicists are probably 99% of the times, achmeds and other non-euros
>>11934478The ones on /his/ are Americans and it's probably 1 or 2 people. Why would achmeds be Nordicists? They're usually the opposite of that and try to latch on to Rome and Greece which they had nothing to do with
>>11934478I have seen jew, english, australian and german nordicist on this board
>>11934397mostly the latteryou will notice that it's basically the same exact energy as nationalist Indians, it's really the same sentiment behind it, hence why even a jew like Reich got borderline accused of being one(nordicist) because he reports data that contradicts their theories of 100% total cultural/genetic continuity and authoritysame phenomenon behind the rise of mediterranism, north European cultural dominance spread ideas of nationalism far and wide, these peoples adopted them and due to having been conquered, ruled and humiliated by said northern people they engage in counter-narratives created to nobilitate their own, but so much that they aren't just opposing nordicists, rightfully so I could even say, but even simple scientists that would have no intentions whatsoever to push "nordicist" narratives, certainly not in this cultural climate in the westif you say that Latins and Etruscans were an ancient SOUTHwest European population, but also say that they are extinct as ethnicity and their ancestry only partially survives, you ARE a nordicist
>>11934530Yeah I also get Hindutva vibes from them
>>11934397mostly the formerit's pretty pathetic that they open 100 threads about the romans and 0 about northern europeand all this to tell us that italics were overall southern europeans but not literally identical to modern italians
>>11934484Non-euros usually don't want to be alone in their own condition, that's the reason.pol memes are right sometimes
>>11934797shlomo sucessfully psyopsed a few browncels to do his work for him for free, top lmao
>>11934530There is not rise on 'mediterranism', those who more larp on that are not even south europeans. And unironically those who are more "nordicist" are not even nordics, but new worlders due their traumas, multiracialism, lack of roots and other bullshit.About the rest of your text, it's all wrong. Nationalism in Greece, in France, in Italy, in England, in Ireland, in Spain, in Serbia or whatever predates any "north european cultural ideias of "nationalism" that couldn´t even be nationalism, because that's not a nation. And no one in Europe in the real world as any complex of being conquered by middle ages goths, that's delusional and fable tier. For the same the no english thinks about it because they were conquered "and humilliated" by "southern europeans" aka romans.
its 99% nafri and other taleb typesthere has been white nordicists (in any significant numbers) on the internet since the stormfront days. its a strawman
>>11934254Is it for sure WHG and not some kind of Baltic mulatto guy?
>>11934254What are their haplos?
>>11930314This board obsession over gene groups is annoying and there are too many shitty threads the only saving grace is porn freedom ive seen maybe 3 threads in 2 years
>>11934227>Greece, Anatolia, Caucasus>The "Middleast"KekI already imagine the post Islamic slave trade mystery meat "Arabs" having an orgasm over that.
>>11935844All had G2a. But this population lived somewhere in Northern Balkans. Mokrin and Bronze Age Hungary look somewhat similar. Mokrin had I2, J2 and R1b-Z2103.