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Why do you think the British government sealed all the archived documents relating to Rudolf Hess for 100 years?

Could Halifax and the royals really have been close to achieving a peace with Hitler?
Or maybe he was tortured to get intelligence out of him and they didn't want it to come out? That would possibly explain why he was out of it at Nürnberg.

Seems fishy to say the least. Also do you think we will ever find out what happened, or will the vital documents be missing when they actually do open the archives?
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>>11917848
Because Britain stabbed Germany in the back. The Anglo-German trading partnership was so strong, Britain voluntarily flew the Nazi German flag on several occasions, in England. It made no sense to declare war on Germany over half of Poland, yet not declare war on the Soviet Union when they seized the other half.
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>>11917888
FAKE NEWS

>A fuzzy newspaper image may be a record of the only time a union jack and a Nazi swastika flew together in Britain, experts have said.

>The recently discovered photograph was taken during a German boxing team's visit to Nottingham in October 1936.

One time it was flown here. One
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>>11917888
>Poland
At that point it was clear Hitler was a liar and lunatic, and that Germany had to be contained. That's not on Britain.
>Hitler wouldn't meet Churchill
Churchill was in Berlin before the war and offered to teach Hitler how to deal with Jews (reward and protect your integrated, nationalist Jews. doing that will get more of your Jews to feel safe to integrate and be nationalist. they can be an asset. if Jews happen to start dominating a particular industry too much for your liking then make narrow laws that only apply to that industry and that don't even mention Jews that have the effect of diluting their power in that one industry. rhetoric and overt discrimination scares them and gives you the type of Jew you don't want). But Hitler never went to meet with Churchill because he had already decided to handle his Jews the exact wrong way.
>but Britain flew a German flag a few times
lol
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>>11917848
England and Germany are natural allies due to the shared Germanic heritage. Anglo-Saxons are Germanic. Britain should have made peace with Germany, yes.
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>>11917848
because the german's made 43 peace proposals and did everything in their power to prevent another war from happening. Hiter hated the thought of another war, for it would prevent him from building up germnay. Ultimately, Hess got into a plane and in a last-ditch attempt, flew to england in the middle of the night to broker a peace deal with the english aristocracy. He had to do that behind churchill's back.

The fact of the matter is, is that the allies acted like a bunch of warmongering blood hounds who wanted nothing but war.

They probably faked a whole bunch of documents that are now "riping" in some archive to give them a false sense of cridibility and legitimacy.
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>>11917848
The whole Western front in WW2 was fake (the Phoney War etc etc). They knew that Stalin waited for a war between capitalist countries to launch the offensive so they gave him the war when it was convenient for them.
Admitting this is tricky because some footsoldiers still had to die (despite the efforts to minimize casualties)
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>>11917848
Because it will reveal their own conniving and attempts to turn the war into an attack on the Soviet Union.
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>>11918104
>Germany had to be contained.
By handing all their gains over to the Soviets?
Fucking hell.
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>>11919925
A better outcome for Europe and the world than German autism turning all of Eastern Europe into the American South circa 1840
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>>11918104
>Jews
>integrate and be nationalist
Are you drunk?
Jews who actually do that aren't even Jews anymore.
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>>11918473
Saxons are a minority
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Halifax and the royals had nothing to do with it at all
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>>11917848
"Exceptionally sensitive records containing information, the disclosure of which
would not be in the public interest in that it would harm defence, international
relations, national security (including the maintenance of law and order) or the
economic interests of the UK and its dependent territories" - This is used on most documents from WW2 in the British archives, including missions etc. The British government took the policy of military document extremely seriously. See: British WW2 veterans being told to never talk about their actions during ww2, with a lot of them not speaking out at all and taking their mission details etc to the grave.
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>>11918104
>admitting Churchill was a cuck for jewish interests
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>>11920281
>Soviets are better than National Socialists and Fascists
Insanity
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>>11920307
what does that even mean?
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>>11918104
Jewish claws typed this post. Churchill was a bitch of the jews and the jews destroyed England as soon as WW2 was over.
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>>11920695
>hurr durr pol babble
Churchill was concerned that Germany was sliding into illiberalism, which he knew would cause problems. And it did.

He was concerned that Hitler was going to create an influx of refugees into Britain and the British Mandate of Palestine. And it did. Though Churchill heavily restricted immigration.

Churchill was anticommunist and believed that persecution of nationalist Jews is what creates Bolsheviks. The concern was that nationalist Jews who do what they're supposed to do but still end up mistreated are going to look for another system to protect themselves if their own country won't. Churchill didn't want any more commies in Europe
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>>11920945
Wrong. Britain was far from ruined after the war and is still far from ruined today.

Britain was no longer as powerful as it was for two main reasons. Expending money and giving up colonies to win the war, and not getting compensated for it by the losers. And second, the ungrateful Charles de Gaulle who after the war immediately went around trying to cripple British influence by doing shit like repeatedly vetoing their entry into the EEC (which would have greatly helped them bounce back economically).

I'm not that good at history, but I know some and you are not even trying to discuss it. If I wanted to hear pol nonsense then that's where I would be. Go back
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>>11917888
>durr why didn't Britain declare war on two major industrial powers at the same time
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>>11917888
>It made no sense to declare war on Germany over half of Poland, yet not declare war on the Soviet Union when they seized the other half.
Britain was honouring the treaty it had signed, any attack on Poland from the West would be answered by UK and France. Honouring International treaties seems like an alien concept to Wehraboos. Also the USSR didn't enter a war with the Polish state, for the simple reason that the Polish state no longer existed after the Polish government announced its resignation, fled to Paris, and left the Polish, Belarusian and Ukrainian population living in terra nullius. The USSR wasn't going to wait and see what would happen with an anarchic state of war on its Western border.
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>>11918955
It's interesting if you watch Soviet films like "The Fall of Berlin," they would show a British capitalist making a deal with Goering in secret to supply raw materials to help them at Stalingrad. That's probably bullshit but I wonder if the Soviets knew something that's been covered up.
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>>11923194
>Honouring International treaties seems like an alien concept to Wehraboos
It's an alien concept for the Soviets as well. In a Ribbentrop-Molotov pact they agreed to attack Poland together on September the 1st but commies always lie.
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>>11920973
>Jewish
>Nationalist

You need to drop this. It's just as bad as when people say 'Judeo-Christian'.

>Churchill was concerned that Germany was sliding into illiberalism

Yes, the other arm of the International Jew is capitalism. Germany didn't want to play the globalist game (which we are currently living in the terminal stage of) and Churchill said on numerous occasions that Germany must be destroyed for this. Churchill was literally owned by Jews as soon as he became politically relevant (see his debts). Either lukewarm takes on zero basis or you are a kike, either way trashed.
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>>11921106
>I'm not that good at history
Glaringly obvious.

>Wrong. Britain was far from ruined after the war and is still far from ruined today.

Britain was on fuel rationing until the mid 50's. Almost their entire GDP was owed to America, and off the top of my head I remember reading that they've only reached their pre war level of economic prosperity in 2010ish. The British were living off American food stamps for at least 20 years after the war.

>Expending money and giving up colonies to win the war

Literally had nothing to do with it. They had to give up the colonies because they were economically ruined, not the other way around. Do you think that if the U.K was no worse off because of the war they wouldn't have rolled over and given up the Suez in the early 50's? Anyone who has been to England can see that it's a husk. Nothing is made there, massive burgeoning welfare state and an island of fat increasingly brown slobs. Churchill ensured that every fibre of the British psyche and economy went in to destroying Germany. That should clue you in on how insane the control over the Allied powers was by people who only cared about the status-quo
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>>11923281
The nazis attempted to broker a separate peace with the British/Americans to allow the axis to keep fighting the USSR.
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>>11920281
slavoids either subjugated or isolated in Siberia where they belong. What's to hate?
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>>11924141
>Germany bombs Britain's industrial cities.
>Germany neuters Britain's trade fleet
>The war Germany forced Britain into drains the state of money, resources, and young men for the work force.
>The failure of German neo-Imperial Autism causes a wave of self determinism to sweep the world, leading to a weakened Britain to be unable to hold onto it's colonies which it relied on to fuel it's economy.
> "But it was dah Joos!"
Stop hiding like a child behind your bogeyman and admit that it was Nazi Germany's autism and inability to play the diplomatic game that resulted in the fall of European Hegemony, which is alone something that they deserve to be villified for.
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>>11924901
Germany wanted to take out the communists.
No one forced Britain to take a bullet for them.
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>>11924901
Keep defending your jewish masters, bong. It worked out well for you last time, right
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>>11924901
all this cope just so you can bootlick kikes even more, sad lmfao, they still hate your goy guts
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>>11920831
Exactly what it says. Jews are normally a nation within nations. One who actually integrates into and acts in the interest of their host isn't even a Jew anymore.
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>>11924901
>>The war Germany forced Britain into
???
Britain declared war on them and refused peace despite Hitler wanting it.
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>>11920973
sounds like the ultimate shabbos goy, no wonder you love him so much seth
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>>11925542
>refused peace despite Hitler wanting it
No shit that he wanted peace after he grabbed half of Poland already. What a peaceful guy, who would have thought!
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>>11925885
>nooo, not Poland
>not the country we did nothing to help!
>Germany cannot have it under any conditions! We will fight till the bloody end!
>The Soviets? Ah, whatever. They can take over Poland I guess, who cares.
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>>11925917
You can hardly expect them to start the war against both the Germany and USSR at the same time.
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>>11925938
Sure I can.
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>>11925950
They would have to fight against USA as well considering that Stalin was the main ally of FDR.
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>>11925967
The reality is that Poland was used as an excuse to fight Germany. They didn't really care about Poland.
Britain got caught up in Churchill's rabble rousing speeches and when they woke up their empire was gone, they had to live on rations for decades and pay back loans to America till the end of the century.
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>>11926119
>They didn't really care about Poland
I doubt that they really did but nevertheless they publicly announced their guarantees (which had impact on the Polish international policy as well - without it Poland would have likely enter different alliances) and they were too serious of a state to not respect them. Hitler knew about it, it was basically certain that Britain will declare war on him if he attacks Poland.
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>>11926206
Hitler thought they were bluffing. Read up on how the top nazis were all shitting themselves and considering suicide when the declaration of war reached them.
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>>11920702
For slavs? Absolutely. National Socialism’s goal was the total eradication and replacement of the Slavic race for German lebensraum
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>>11925950
Then you’re a retard, and it doesn’t surprise me that you lie to defend an 80 year dead failure of a regime on 4chan instead of cultivating an actual nationalist movement tailored to address the present day circumstances of whatever shithole you live in.
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>>11926228
If Stalin had fulfilled his obligation of attacking Poland at the same time as Germany then Britain might have hesitated.
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>>11926503
Just breathe for a moment and try to think for yourself instead of gulping down propaganda.
MAYBE the stuff Britain was pulling wasn't ethical at all and didn't serve anyone, not even themselves.
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>>11926228
>Hitler thought they were bluffing
Well he was wrong.
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>>11917848
>Why do you think the British government sealed all the archived documents relating to Rudolf Hess for 100 years?
they probably have sensitive military details that could jeopardise people today. that and they want to avoid a wrongful death suit from his family
i doubt there's any big conspiracy there, even if hess had (somehow) reached terms with britain hitler would've just disavowed him anyway. the whole mission was pointless
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>>11928118
This, it's not like the Hess shit is the only stuff classified. There's still a fuckload classified between all of the Allied nations because they put this stuff under lock and key for a century.
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>>11920616
In any event, Brits and Germs highly overlap genetically.
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>>11920616
>80% of modern British DNA comes from Anglo-Saxons
>minority.
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>>11925244
Incredible, I had no idea Israel was a Jewless nation.



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