It's 1944, the Allies are ashore in Normandy and the Soviets are rolling the Axis back to its Operation Barbarossa starting point. The situation for Germany is getting desperate. You have the following goals>kill or remove Adolf Hitler from office>strip the Nazi Party of its power and arrest or liquidate its leadership>negotiate a peace with the Western Allies>win the war in the East>save Germany from utter destruction>don't dieHow do you go about it?
kill myself because I'm a g*rman now.
>>11583334>win the war in the EastYeah, that's not going to happen. An unconditional surrender to the allies might still be better done sooner than after all of Germany is demolished.
I’d surely look for a white peace with west and east. I’d give back all the conquered territories, except for the ones that were part of the original German empire (so Alsace, Lorraine, Danzig and western Poland are keepers), plus the Sudetenland and perhaps Austria. Leave some land to Poland and allow its existence as an independent, although reduced, country. I think this could work.
the July 20 plot was doomed. the Allies wouldn't have been willing to broker a peace unless there were a restoration of prewar borders and the German side were demilitarized; even then the Allies probably wouldve demanded more. on top of this, by 1944 there was no hope of beating the Soviets. unironically their last chance evaporated at Stalingrad
>>11583419The Germans lost the second they invaded. There was no way they ever could have won.
>>11583334You can't have peace with the allies while still at war with the USSR since both side had already agreed on what to do with Germany and none were willing to make and deviations, the best case you can get is a Japan situation where you allow a full on occupation and accepting any new type of government in exchange for a somewhat lighter punishment
>>11583443this is a fair argument. at the very least, if they had won a significant victory at Stalingrad they could've secured the oil fields of the Caucasus. from there I don't know what happens. a defeat is still pretty likely, possibly even guaranteed, sure. but the war gets dragged on a lot longer
>>11583457Which leaves more space for a white peace, at least with one side.
Easy. First thing is first I'll knock someone out and steal the uniform, following that I'll rush in like some fucking wolf about to maul a sheep. Hitler is there I'll rush and deck him in the face destroying his weak chin before lifting the table up and slamming everyone with it.I'll also take some of the nazi meth as well during this encounter to tank any bullets or injuries.
>>11583403Why would you expect that the Allies would accept anything other than unconditional surrender given that you're being BTFO on all fronts
>>11583495Yeah I’d try that way before having my enemies at the doorstep.
>>11583465allies are never going to sign a white peace, and you can not stop them from getting into Germany proper without moving a lot of troops from the east, which lets the soviets in.
Kill him with a bazooka and escape to the Western Allies
>>11583334Just shoot Hitler and the Nazi high command at the Berghof.
>>11583334>tfw born on July 20th
>>11583929Happy birthday anon
Still don't get the fact that he throws away one of the two bombs because it did not have the detonatorJust out them together are you retarded
>>11583334the coup plan was pretty solid, I wouldn't change a thing. Its failure was a fluke because someone moved the bag behind one of the table legs and one of the bombs were not primed.
>>11584414Also the meeting was moved to a wooden conference hut at the last minute. If it had been held within the bunker, the shockwave would have reverberated and killed everyone in the room regardless of where they were standing.
>>11583334go with the original plot to kill hitler and hope it works this time arrest goebbels and goering peace with the allies, we'll hold back the communists if they accept pre war borders + austria the eastern war is lost but europe can be saved, move all forces to the east and hold a line on the dvina and dnieper rivers to stall the communists as long as possible let the allies move in unopposed and hope to god they recognise the greater threat
>>11584363>Still don't get the fact that he throws away one of the two bombs because it did not have the detonator>Just out them together are you retardedMore likely Stauffenberg, being one-handed, had trouble getting both of them into the bag, or he simply forgot.
>>11583334Take my time changing as Stauffenburg to prime the 2nd bomb. Carry two into the conference room. Wipe out the retards, fly to Berlin, kill Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Bormann, Speer and then establish a military junta. Wipe out the SS.
>>11583334Just shoot Hitler lmao
>>11583334Shoot Hitler out of a giant cannon
>>11583334Literally just put the bomb briefcase on the other side of the table leg. It was the only inhibitor.
>>11583419Post the plotters demands they were going to present to Western allies. It's fucking comedy gold.
>>11589981https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot#Territorial_demands>Among demands initially countenanced by the plotters for issue towards the Allies were such points as re-establishment of Germany's 1914 boundaries with Belgium, France and Poland and no reparations. Plotters' demands meant a return to pre-1939 German borders; it seems highly unlikely that the Allies would have accepted such enormous demands. Like most of the rest of German resistance, the July 20th plotters believed in the idea of Greater Germany and as a condition for peace demanded that the western allies recognize as a minimum the incorporation of Austria, Alsace-Lorraine, Sudetenland, and the return of pre-1918 German territories ceded to Poland, with the restoration of some of the overseas colonies. They believed that Europe should be controlled under German hegemony.Anybody want to help me dig through the sources?
>>11583334>kill or remove Adolf Hitler from officeWhy would i do that, kill the guy that tried to save us?
>>11583443so the soviet victory is hollow and meaningless, since germany would have lost no matter what?
literally just pull out a pistol and shoot hitler then and there, bombs are unreliable
>>11590157>Some like Friedrich-Werner Graf von der Schulenburg even wanted all of Poland annexed to Germany.Holy kek, and I suppose they expected Stalin to just accept this.
>>11583357this. at that point it's the only path to salvation.
>>11583357The most rational answer.
>>11583334>negotiate a peace with the Western Allies>win the war in the Eastwhy are anglos who want to be g*rmoid so pathetic
>>11592239No, they were trying to peace out Western Allies separately. So who the fuck did they expect to accept it among the Western Allies? Keep in mind, Normandy invasion is already well underway.
>>11583334Winning the War in the East is a lost cause, at best you could negotiate a more favorable (for the Allies) surrender in the West, then leverage that to get a better deal from the Soviets. i would honestly just throw every single possible method of killing or assassination at Hitler and any of his political allies. The original assassination plan was about as certain as any one plan could get, so clearly they just needed to try more reckless attempts. If Hitler gets killed and the prior plan of surrendering in totality to the Allies works, then maybe Germany could remain a united entity. Given the population of Germany, it's location, and it's resources; it is somewhat of an inevitability that Germany would return to relevance within a few decades. Looking at the state of the EU it already has.
>>11583334Pull all the troops to the West so the Red Army can liberate Europe up to Paris and prevent the creation of 4chan /pol/
>>11583334Does he still fly a plane or aircraft?Get some luftwaffe pilot to switch sides and shoot him down or get yourself an aircraft,You could probably even try to leak the flight path and other information to the allies and soviets, and have them do the job.
>>11583334Step 1:Don’t fuck up the bomb. Now Hitler is dead. Step 2:Simultaneously attack the other high ranking NSDAP officials.Doesn’t matter how. Run up and gun them down. Step 3:Subdue the ensuing chimpout, especially from the ss, himmler was included in Step 2. Step 4:Strongarm the other European Axis countries into doing as you say.Step 5:Make peace with the allies before the soviets get here. The peace:Give up all the anschlussed land. If that is not enough land, give up >east prussia>west prussia>holstein>northeastern germanyStarting from east prussia and adding more if not accepted. The northwest, rhineland, and south are really where the German wealth is, saxony is also fairly good. Try and concede as much to americans as possible, Britain and France had a vested interest in permanently crippling germany even before the war. Try to Japan ourselves if possible. As for the soviets, they will most likely “receive” East Prussia.At this point they don’t control much of Poland or other Eastern countries, so if the “surrender” is accepted quickly, they may not have the chance to “liberate” them.
>>11592502Cont.There will still be fear of the Red Menace. Try to utilize it.Make the other axis countries accept peace as well.Blame everything on the NSDAP and SS.Concentration camps? Racism?Warmongering?>yep, all them. Mainly just prevent the Iron Curtain and East Germany. Soviets will probably still get Poland.
I need to make sure my colleagues in Berlin understand that as soon as the bomb goes off, the coup is on. Doesn't matter if Hitler is alive, the die is cast and they're isolated, we need to move fast and break things or we're all dead. Seize communication locations too, either claim the SS killed Hitler or if he survived say he's too ill to lead.
>>11583357Reminds me of this
Those demands have to just be the big ask right? Surely they were well aware they would have to give all that up.
>>11592502>step 4Mussolini was literally fucked by July '44, plus half the reason he hadn't left the Axis already was that Hitler scared the shit out of him. Don't know shit about Hungary and Romania
>>11583334>kill or remove Adolf Hitler from officeparachute into Germany male prostitutes with aids >strip the Nazi Party of its power and arrest or liquidate its leadershipparachute into Germany male prostitutes with aids
>>11594826the plotters were just as delusional as the people they were trying to remove
>>11596565CIA hadn't invented that yet though
>>11583334Defect to the Western Allies
>>11583334I'd just shoot Hitler in the face and be done with it. Then I'd pray for my soul until my execution.
>>11583334You don't. Goring would have stepped in and had you executed for treason. The Germans aren't about to switch horses in the middle of a fucking war.
>>11583334Your best chance lies in the National Socialist (Nazi) party. In fact, they're probably your only hope...
>>11583334>get someone suicidal to just straight up shoot Hitler and an hero after shouting Heil Himmler>blame Himmler for the assassination and use it as a pretext to purge the SS>offer to allow the Western Allies to occupy literally everything from Cherbourg to Warsaw without resistance>just flat out give up on trying to win the East because it's even more hopeless>Western Allies occupy as much of Europe as possible, saving countless millions from Soviet occupation>hope I don't die I guess
>>11590157The article basically says that they were just old school Prussian conservatives who didn't like how modernism had taken away their status as aristocrats, their only problem with Hitler's war crimes was that they were considered 'bad manners' and looked bad on the honor of their militarist state.
>>11601184You'd be a complete retard not to just shoot yourself right there, they're going to do more than just kill you.
I'm glad the plot failed. The conniving British and American imperialists would've gladly accepted peace and then watched the carnage in the east continue and let the nazis do their work of "fighting Bolshevism" (as was their ideal outcome with the Munich treaty).
>>11583334Have a backup assassin ready to take Hitler out (and suck start a cyanide tablet) in the event Stauffenberg failedOffer to surrender on the one condition that the plotters and members of the post-Hitler government not be put on trial for war crimes (at least one of the Allied Powers might have been willing to at least unofficially consider this if it would mean an immediate end to the war).Retreat past the Vistula and let the Armia Krajowa contend with the Soviets in the hopes of causing an East-West split.