Did Australian Aboriginals have civilizations or any other form of complex societies?
>>11036198there are no australian plants or animals that allow emerging of complex society
>>11036198They actually added tribes in it? Based off what historical sources?
>>11036198they ruled china
>>11036198Papuans did to some extent. Dunno about australians in general. Any hint about chiefs or hierarchy?
>Dadi-DadiSounds like a pop hit
>>11036273Yeah, this has got to be a mod. If Paradox is making select Aboriginal tribes as playable nations, they'd have to make every single part of North and South American playable native tribes save for the places that were truly uninhabited when Europeans discovered them (e.g Bermuda)
>>11036243Utter nonsense that a single google search could disprove. If that were the case then no one could have lived there. Plenty of plant species could have been domesticated, and as far as animals go, nothing easier than making a eucalyptus orchard and domesticating koalas, they're slow and fat and aboriginals have eaten them since forever. Then you have emus which are literally farmed to this very day all across the world, even in America I know a guy who has some emus on his farm. You're full of shit.
>>11036309>>11036273It’s real, they added it in patch 1.31 that came out a week ago
>>11036309The nation picker is flawed. An big region of southamerica was populated by carib tribesmen, but you can only start in a specific province if you want to play as carib. Map-painting games have no actual logic when you go back before medieval times.
>>11036335>Utter nonsenseEuropeans didn't domesticate their own plants nor animals and had to get middle-eastern migrants to learn how to do it.
>>11036337Wow that's... something. I want to start playing EU4 again, just haven't had the time in ages. Although granted I despite the DLC I got that has institutions rather than straight technology levels, that shit is unbelievably annoying. Guess I'll try and disable it next game.
>>11036335even brits - the best selectionists ever lived on this planet, found nothing of value there in 300 hundreds years, just few species suitable for entertainment industry like kangaroos or koalas
They had more sophisticated systems of agriculture, music, and astronomy than the mesoamericans actually.
>>11036337>>11036387The update completely fucking broke the gameWe’re taking crashes at 1500, nations disappearing, saves not working, and rulers have hundreds of thousands of monarch points. The game is literally unplayable and even two hotfixes hasn’t don’t anything. Paradox stock has dropped 6% since Leviathan released a week ago.
>>11036725glad im pirating every dlc they put out
>>11036198Civilization? No, definitely not. Complex societies? Sort of. They had a complex system of rituals, taboos, and who you could and couldn't marry.
>>11036768>>11036462You will never be indigenous you larping faggots
Whilst it's true that pre-colonial Australia had no nation states in the way we would currently define them, the arguments that they were a collection of completely primitive natives who hadn't even learned to farm is honestly insulting.Indigenous peoples were, at large, a semi-nomadic collection of tribes. These tribes however had vast knowledge of their local environment and created some of the most fertile soil on earth through extensive land management, the sort that we would today consider sophisticated. This included among others massive controlled burns, irrigation systems, aquaculture, and the planting and harvesting of seed along with preserving and storing the surplus. Bill Gammage, historian at the Australian National University, describes early Australia as "a farm without fences," stating that "the gathering [was] the end point of a very sophisticated farming process."
Don’t get me wrong, Europe had a weaponry advantage, but the Indigenous Australians had such remarkable agricultural ability to support a society on what really is an unfriendly continent. In my engineering classes, we have genuinely studied Aboriginal fish traps from Victoria - they are designed around an entire lake and waterway system, and with the tides they gradually accumulate huge numbers of fish that don’t even know they’ve been trapped. It’s seriously incredible shit.
it feels as though we are constantly pipelined into this narrow and ultimately unproductive view of Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Rocketry that just reinforces this narrative of western supremacy.
>>11036462>>11036793>>11037133>>11037164Where are their cities? Why didn’t they have specialized labor? You can talk them up all you want, but in the end they were just another group primitive island niggers.>>11037137>In my engineering classes, we have genuinely studied Aboriginal fish traps from VictoriaJust fucking lol. Imagine actually going to college in the year of our lord 2021
>>11037137Sounds based, any links to info you can share?
>>11037164>reinforces this narrative of western supremacy.I think the achievements of western engineers, political systems, economies, philosophers, musicians, artists, economies, and society in general does that perfectly well without your navel gazing self hatred.
>>11037240>I think the achievements of western engineers, political systems, economies, philosophers, musicians, artists, economies, and society in generalAnd what might that be? Exporting feminism, diversity, and LGBT to the rest of the world?
>>11037285Go back to /pol/. You'll be happier there.
>>11037291You will never be a real woman
>>11036198No.I'm not racist towards any other group of people, but I genuinely think Aborigines are some form of separate human species from homo sapiens and also inferior
>>11037133Reality is insulting thenStupid shitskins make ghetto trash look like geniuses
>>11037133Their sophisticated controlled burns are the reason Australia is a massive desert
>>11037702>I’m not racistRetarded
>>11037872I’m not racist, just don’t like ‘em
>>11037702they are. just fucking look at them.
>>11036335>Amerimutt thinks he knows betterI'm Aussie and you don't need to farm anything here. You just camp next to a fresh water spring and all the food comes to you. Abbos literally just moved around a bunch of water springs around the year and kangaroos breed like rabbits. Emus are extremely territorial and will never leave the area the food is, even if that's 20ft next to a highway. Zero reason for abbos to develop farming when food all comes to you
>>11037984Suck african dick faggot
>>11036243>2022>Arguing Guns, Germs, and Steel on 4chanOy vey
>>11038071Damn, that seems like the fucking life.>>11036462The snow-white hands of a blonde blue-eyed fully anglo-Saxon woman typed this post.Either that or an abbo who believes in the abbo equivalent of We wuz kangz.>>11036198Complex societies? Sort of, yes, they had some type of religion, some type of culture, some laws, taboos, much like any tribal society in the rest of the world, they were primitives, not monkeys. States, or even city-states? No.And including them in EU4 is retarded.
>>11038071whatever the reason they didn't have a civilization worthy of unifying or opposing colonizationparadox literally included anarchic society for fuck's sakeits all a big fat meme at this point
>>11038162Damn, a time traveler, how is life in 2022?
>>11036198Gotta have complex thoughts first.
>>11036335Emus and cassowaries are silly dangerous. Kangaroos are silly fast and capable of wooping that ass the classic way. Nothing else is herbivorous and native to those areas.
>>11037702They are more human than African Blacks. And mix more readily with Caucasians and Orientals.
>>11036198Weren't they considered local fauna until the 1960s?
>>11038289>>11038296No, but it's an often repeated mythhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650
>>11036198So swathes of Polynesia and America remain uncolonized territory but literal hunter gatherers get their own nations? Epically played paradox.
>>11038286they get bleached super easy
>>11038352The number of tags in North America got massively increased and old tags like iroqouis broken up. Because empty land is now no longer empty but tribal land, this means that colonisers can't take large swathes in a single war nor only faced OPMs>>11036198Abos had tribes, Polynesia and Australia were added from a mod by the maker who became a dev>>11036243There were, they just genocided them. Australia was lush with mega fauna before fire stick farming caused desertification>>11036309See above on tribal lands>>11036337High American icon is due to them lacking an icon and so game auto picks one >>11036387Play 1.30.6, don't buy Leviathan yet >>11036462They still didn't form regular 1k warbands tho >>11037133>no>>11037137Wait fuck you just copied that from the forum you fucker
>>11036788This book is baloney.>I know other Aboriginal people who have read "Dark Emu" and laughed out loud. "It's a joke right", they've said to me. Real Aboriginal people are proud of their ancestors culture as hunter gatherers. They don't want fakes like Pascoe making up stories and pretending their ancestors were farmers or anything else other than what they were. The men were proud and skillful hunters, while the women more than contributed to the group by daily gather from plants and digger for nutritious foods etcThey were literally niggers on an island and I don't understand why white people feel the need to create a false history for the aboriginals.
>>11038460Also, go to Project Gutenberg. There you'll find many copies of early explorers journals. After downloading them and thoroughly reading the eyewitness accounts come back here and form your own opinion
>>11036335>domesticating koalas this is like saying why didn't Africans just domesticate zebras
>>11037137Go back to eddit faggot
>>11037133holy copethat advanced irrigation and aquaculture you refer to was practiced by precisely one aboriginal culture that dug trenches to encourage eels. this fact is only noteable because it is unlike everywhere else in austraia.nothing is impressive about controlled burns, we've been doing them 100000 years. all hunter gatherer cultures interact in nuanced ways with the land to cultivate and encourage certain outcomes, time tested strategies that are marvelously adapted to their specific location and context. this does not make this practices sophisticated or impressive, and we only try to pretend like they are for the most destitute and unimpressive culutres on the planet.
>>11038508You must not be around much because people on /his/ ask that everyday
>>11038516>a fucking tranny
>>11038486Any particular names I should search for? I'm interested
God it's nauseating to know I browse this website with tranny groomers
>>11038455>Abos had tribesdid said tribes unify australia or made a significant defense against colonization?did they have standing armies?if you give a tag to someone you are making it so that a war will have to be wagedthat is mostly my gripe, anarchic societies couldn't assemble armies to stand against foreign civilizations
>>11038517I call it cultural condescension, basically, western academia pretends hunter-gatherers, primitive pastoralists and other rather primitive societies are actually very accomplished and unique for doing something everyone else already did, mostly to compensate for historical grievances as seen in Africa, various parts of America, and australia.
>>11036337Anon why do you waste away all your time on video games and Reddit?
>>11036462Where is an aboriginal pyramid? Stacks of druggies sleeping atop each other after smoking to much petrol?
>>11037137>A FUCKING FISH TRAPPINNACLE OF TECHNOLOGY
>>11038612Because there’s a global pandemic and it’s not safe to go outside?
>>11037137>A fucking fish trap
>>11038536Look at the back of the book for all the sources and read the eyewitness accounts.The books also contains no accounts from Aboriginals regarding aboriginal lifestyle or culture.You might find this book which is critically accepted a quick rundown.https://www.booktopia.com.au/australia-and-the-origins-of-agriculture-rupert-gerritsen/book/9781407303543.htmlThere are plenty of Journal articles in relation to this book as well - https://www.jstor.org/stable/41148358?seq=1
>>11038543As I say within. Abos had tribes, but they didn't have tribes able to regularly field men larger than 1k, and that's not 1k professional soldiers but just 1k militia men, because they'd fucked up their environment so badly population density was that low
>>11038651>Because there’s a global pandemic and it’s not safe to go outside?A LITERAL FLU
>>11038176Inexplicably more gay than 2021.
>>11038651FUCK OFF REDDITOR
>>11036198Paracocks doesn't know how to make games anymore. Soon there will be no colonizable provinces and the mechanic will be essentially useless...And to answer your question, NO. I'm not going to be racist and say it's because Abos are stupid half-evolved homo denisovans (even if they may be), but I will say that Abos, and negritos in general, have never gotten past farming, and most negrito societies haven't even gotten TO farming without outside help. I think it is safe to say that true civilization never developed in Oceania prior to European contact.
>>11037813The Quaternary glaciation is why Australia is a desert.
>>11038651>Because there’s a global pandemic and it’s not safe to go outside?
>>11038808>Okay chud, define true civilization.
>>11038808Civilization in oceania? Yes. By natives? No.The Polynesian brought the civilization, or at least what seemed to be something similar.
>>11038684>>11038788>>11038837Why are you guys seething so hard? The CDC still recommends we practice social distancing
>>11038965As if anyone would want to come near you, stinky tranny
>>11038516>198 updoots Do white people really?
>>11036243Birds had a chance at developing a civilization.
>>11038965Fuck. Off. Redditor.You faggots ruined this site
>>11040116Yeah keep seething boomer
>>11038352They also added more tags to polynesia and the americas
>>11038543Where's the limit? Should Ainu not be a tag and be uncolonized land?
>>11036337funny how the more leftists have input into something the more grossly unrealistic it becomes, both the historical accuracy of the game and their business strategy
>>11036725They just really fucked up with QA, some bugs in patch could be literally fixed in few hours.
>>11036337>Tiwilook up Tiwi Island Sisata Girls
The Dodo of humans.
>>11040116>time to share top curated Reddit content to my bros on 4channel
>>11036348The horse was domesticated first in the Ukraine, anon.
>>11040970Funny how they don't need to mutilate their genitalia to be mentally healthy.
>>11040970Fuck you I'm having nightmares tonight
>>11040970I'm never going to forgive Anglos for what they did to the Abo volk
>>11041604Abowaffen rise up
>>11041681is picrel made for laughs?
>>11036337It's a game balance decision to prevent the 400th Mamalukean Australia just like Far East tribes are to prevent Portugeuse Siberia.It would be smarter to just reduce colonizable provinces to nearly non existence or make it like vic2 where certain provinces can't be colonized regardless of range without the right tech. But this way is easier and adds "flavor" (i.e. more money for them).>t. Paradox pro
>>11038352They literally added Polynesia and unironcially like 50 new native tags in this same update
>>11040709>leftists are better at business than youCan only imagine how shitty that must feel
>>11043368>destroying your customer's trust and brand value is a sound business strategy Yeah... You will never pass
>>11040765Keep sucking that paradox cock you deluded shill
>>11040698If they never even offered military resistance to Japanese colonization and no diplomacy with them was ever conducted? Then no they shouldn’t be a tag in game.
>>11040709>funny how the more leftists have input into somethingwhat are you talking about
>>11040765But they haven’t you retard
>>11036335>>11036243There are several plants you can cultivate. What Australia lacked was one of these babies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder_cropsSomething easily cultivated in large yields that teach you to be a farmer and eventually allow you to support bigger urban pops.Read Land of Red and Gold.
>>11036337https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/eu4-development-diary-16th-of-february-2021.1456746/>Gold in BrisbaneOkay.
>>11036337>LarrakiaOkay they nailed down the part where this tribe had contact with the Makassans and could have been Islam-influenced BUT I don't know why they are treated as a Larrakia Federation. The real-life Larrakia Nation.http://larrakia.com/
>>11040709https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/eu4-development-diary-16th-of-february-2021.1456746/They did some weird shit but I'll give them props for getting the map right. The Eora nation is where it needs to be.
>>11036337The culture map is simplified. They got lazy and didn't want to add in too many one Province minors. If we could add all the Abo nations there would be upwards to about a hundred. Instead Noongar (concentrated in Southwest) now extends their cultural influence all the way up North.Not to mention the way they did it is weird. On the one hand they represented actual cultures like the Noongar or the cultural, political alliance of the Kulin. Then on the other hand, Kuric (a language group) got turned into a cultural group. Are we treating language families like cultures now? Sino-Tibetan blob when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpwV7TOoOgThe Kaurna culture.
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Oceanian_missionsMissions >Engage in Makassar TradeOkay sure this happened.>Unify the PalawaThe Abos were isolated in Tasmania for a reason, Mainland didn't give a shit about them enough to canoe there.>The Dream of DragonsUmm okay. Abos traded with China, they didn't care that much about them.
>>11043809Pretty sure the chinks sent like 2 trade expeditions to the northernmost tip of Australia, and the abbos used the coins and other trinkets as fishing weights and the likes, not to say that's wrong, I'd say it was probably a relatively comfy life style. The aboriginal one I mean. But maybe I'm just delusional.
>>11043933They were the descendants of the earliest extant humans to leave Africa and settle somewhere else, and were hunter-gatherers forever. It's finding the Promised Land, and it's exactly like the Garden of Eden.
>>11043368>I like to imagine you feel like shit in my fictional scenarioaren't you a peach, it is easy to imagine how some venom spitting bluehair like you can create a toxic work environment>>11043451read the thread, the news, etcetera..>>11043589it is worse than I thought, there are people complaining it is too "anglocentric" now, the primary focus of paradox is to appease a tiny minority who literally scrape the barrel for reasons to be offended
>>11036854>>11043701holy shit, where there enough desperate whiteys to actually bleach abos that much?
>>11044557Where there are new women to breed, there will be incels and fuck ups to breed them.
>>11044557Yes before they turned into graincels>>11041604
>>11044712>"Slavs not white" poster>Human>Not an incel
>>11036243Except for all of them. Racial weakness is to blame for Australian Aboriginal failure.
>>11036387Victoria 2 master race.
>>11044557>>11044887Racism in Australia was never about segregation. It was about breeding with the Abos until they stopped looking like Abos, and were assimilated into White Australia. Most people back in the 50s thought they were dying out and decided to hasten the process by taking their children in order to forcefully assimilate them.>>11044149What happened with this DLC was they found some Australian, who had made an EU4 Aussie Mod, and gave him free reign to fix Australia. It just isn't 100% accurate.
Did anyone mentioned that paradox made the second Prussia at the south Australia?
>>11047170Oh and the second britain,
Do Papuans and Samis also have nations now? They where/are more advanced then fucking abo's
>>11041527Horses were first domesticated by botai people, anon.
>>11043360Only tag they should have added in Polynesia is unironically Rapa Nui, the only somewhat organized tribal monarchy to develop writing, and architecture in the Pacific Islands
>>11045101>racial weaknesssubjective, they did ok as hunter-gatherers
>>11048437Hawaii was a unified kingdom with high literacy and actual foreign relations with other states. Basically every Polynesian and American tribal warrants a tag more than the abos lol
>>11049971First contact with Europeans: 1779Foundation of Kingdom of Hawaii:1795Unificarion of Hawaii:18101821 - game endsHawaii better fits Victoria 2, hopefully 3
1. There were several tribal bands; meaning they formed complex societies and drew and respected boundaries.2. They had impermanent housing structures in the realm of huts in the Outback and wicker-like houses in on the Coastlines. This is all they really needed.3. They developed language, laws, schools and medicine.4. It is true they mostly stayed connected to Hunting and Gathering, as most of Australia is difficult to till/work.5. It is true they never developed a Written Language and resolved to keep to Oral Traditions. Due to a lack of wars, they never really required to development of Law Steeles, and thus the Written Word was never really needed.
>>11051285>hopefully 3Get raped bitch. I don’t need paradogs ruining vicky 3 like they ruined eu4