>"While Justinian did the wars, Theodora did the civil administration"Why are normies so obsessed with her? She was literally a prostitute who served as a regent for few months, she wasn't a co-ruler.
>>11034520Why does this woman cause so much butthurt on /his/? Is it just part of the general byzantine hate?
Civ women generally are fugly but I want to fugg theodora desu
>>11034520Imo Zoe is the cutest roastie empress desu senpai.
>>11034586I disagree, Irene was much cuter.
>and though she made full use of three orifices, she often found fault with Nature, complaining that Nature had not made the holes in her nipples larger so that she could devise another variety of intercourse there.
>>11034520>served as a regent for few months, she wasn't a co-ruler.Soooo, she (for a period of time) "did the civil administration"?
>>11034809I suppose so, but to suggest she was behind ALL CIVIL shit while Justinian just conquered is beyond retarded. Considering Justinian is as know for Code Justinian as much for reconquest, and for that matter Justinian's role reconquest was probably less, considering he never left Constantinople to command his own troops, unlike many later emperors who personally led massive armies.
>>11034520>he doesn't want a regal mommy at the very apex of majesty and power who forces him to lick her feet or have his family violently killedLooks like we got one of them gay retards here
>>11034548Because Procopius was based
>>11034520What is she wearing? Is that a prom dress? I have read multiple books on the pre-modern period and seen multiple portraits, and I'm fairly certain that pre-1900 female shoulders were considered more taboo than breasts, so it is always fascinating when Hollywood gives women prom dresses
Leftists like Theodora because to them she legitimizes whoring as a good thing
>>11035230If you want a used up granny, I don’t know what to tell you
>>11034520>Why are normies so obsessed with her?Simps. Kind of like Southern Empire fags in Bannerlord.
>>11035921it is just bizarre to think that there was a time when people considered tiddies less NSFW than female shoulders
>>11036188Fuck I want to go back.
>>11034548> Is it just part of the general byzantine hate?yes
>>11034520>tfw i have an armpit fetish and fapped to that imageboy, that was a wild campaign
>>11037296You'd just get desensitised to tits after a while
>>11037660>armpit fetishUnironically have sex. Porn is doing a serious number on your psyche.
>>11037684not even a virgin, had an ex that let me lick her pits, shit was cash
>>11034520Because she is a woman>>11034548Because she is a woman
>>11034520>She was literally a prostitute who served as a regentParse this sentence.
>>11037660I fapped to that image and I don't have an """armpite fetish"""
>>11034621Holy fucking BASED.
>>11034520well she did save the kingdom during the nika riots - and she she ended persecution of the coptic catholics thereby becoming a canonized saint as for prostitution, it's not like she chose it, her dad died when she was young and the family was forced to support themselves in the theatre. We don't know if she was a literal whore, artists and theatre women had reps for being whores back then, we don't know if this was the case with theodora. Propocis' secret histroy is the best account of her and it's savegely and obviously biased against her
>>11035944This is why Justinian is the worst Roman Emperor. What he normalized through his ridiculous simpcuckery has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone involved.
>>11034520Kek Justinian didn't "do the wars." What idiot writes that shit? He sat home and told others to do it for him
>>11034520>>11035944>>11037705>>11039976t. takes Procopius at face value
She did everyone in the civil administration with all 3 orifices
>>11039111>>well she did save the kingdom during the nika riots - and she she ended persecution of the coptic catholics thereby becoming a canonized saint>saveShe literally suggests that Justinian not flee from the capital and reassemble elsewhere. That's not saving the realm, that's not even saving Justinian's reign, as many emperor fled the city and retook it after reassembling . So, even she said nothing there was no guarantee Justinian couldn't have returned.This is what I mean with people's obsession with her, they take a random fact, then turn it to this heroic/genius act.
>>11039995It is from reddit
>>11040538No one's taking his "nuh muh she fucked every man that could move" at face value, just the fact that he fucked a dirt poor bitch for no other reason than cooming in the best case scenario, and a literal whore in the worst case scenario.
>>11040635>This is what I mean with people's obsession with her, they take a random fact, then turn it to this heroic/genius act.People do this all the time with "amazing women in history" just sprinkle soundbites while ignoring context.
>>11041230>REDDIT: Eva Braun saved Hitler's life from a gas bomb>REALITY: Himmler farted in bunker and Eva pulled Hitler to the next room
>>11034520Women, like blacks, don't have many choices when searching for greatness among their peers.
>>11034520Women in history are few and far between since they were never allowed to do shit other than get raped. When modern academics/ writers/ normies try to pull figures out of history, so you can't argue that they're just making shit up, even if everything they write about those figures is plain fanfiction, to twist them enough to fit them in their revisionist narrative and ride the pop culture feminist bandwagon, beggars really can't be choosers.
>>11035944The world would be a much better place if at least the anti-hooker feminists won in their stupid little war.
>>11040635hold up, there was more >My lords, the present occasion is too serious to allow me to follow the convention that a woman should not speak in a man’s council. Those whose interests are threatened by extreme danger should think only of the wisest course of action, not of conventions. >In my opinion, flight is not the right course, even if it should bring us to safety. It is impossible for a person, having been born into this world, not to die; but for one who has reigned it is intolerable to be a fugitive. May I never be deprived of this purple robe, and may I never see the day when those who meet me do not call me empress.>If you wish to save yourself, my lord, there is no difficulty. We are rich; over there is the sea, and yonder are the ships. Yet reflect for a moment whether, when you have once escaped to a place of security, you would not gladly exchange such safety for death. As for me, I agree with the adage that the royal purple is the noblest shroud.That's pretty noble. >This is what I mean with people's obsession with her, they take a random fact, then turn it to this heroic/genius act.well first for her as a woman to speak in a counsil of men at the time was pretty corageous in itself. Second her choice of death and dying with the empire rather than fleeing is noble. And the fact that she was able to get Justinian to make the same choice is noble. These are some corageous and noble choices and words - and I feel like people don't want to give her that because she's a woman. I admit that there is a "noble or corageous woman" trope now where we run around trying to make any woman's act courageous. But that doesn't mean there were never any corageous or noble acts done by women in history. ipeasent riots were serious shit back before the days of pussified modern men. It's not like BLM or OWS where there's bits of looting. tousands of people died at Nika and half the city of Constantionople was destoryed.
>>11042707I'll give you noble, but not genius
There aren't that many women in charge in history so they take what they can get.
>>11034586She's very interesting to learn about. If I'm remembering correctly she made her lover kill her husband and become the new emperor. And when her adopted son rebelled and became emperor she had him castrated and sent to China. Also according to viking sagas she was in love with Harald Hardrada and burned down his ship when he tried to leave Constantinople. But she would've been like 60 I believe so it's a little unlikely.
>>11034520There is nothing wrong with admiring a woman who helps with the ruling of an empire in a time when women are strongly discouraged from it. Does it really wound you so much that there's a few female leaders to look up to in thousands of years of human history?
because modern historians are always looking for cunts to elevate in importance in order to advance their ideological agenda
>>11043166Unironically the least schizo post in this thread. Pretty sure one of them actually believes Procopicuck.
Normies don't know or care about Theodora, nor Justinian. Normies like to hang out with their peeps and listen to the latest hits while shooting some hoops. Look out your damn window
>>11043181alright then, which historians and which agenda? It's broadly generalized.
>>11040538Procopius is absolutely overstating, for example Justinian was almost certainly not a demon who was regularly seen walking around the palace without a head, giving out the wails of the damned. His description of Theodora is nowhere near that level of nonsense though, and if even half of it is true then she was a whore who deserves nothing but ridicule.
>>11043244Procopius was cozying up to the next emperor in line who was known to hate both Justinian and Theodora both.
>>11043244I just don't get why would he write Secret Histories? Is there really a theory that he wrote it in case Justinian got usurped and he could pretend he secretly hated him. Seems like a usurper wouldn't give a fuck about him.Unless it is mostly true, with some parts exaggerated, like isn't very much possible that Theodora was a nympho?Also, I find it strange that Theodora never bore any children, despite being married for 20-years, maybe as a prostitute she was became pregnant and use of abortifact rendered her infertile, like it did with Napoleon's Josephine
>>11043275Who? Justin II, why would he hate his uncle?
>>11043329Radically different policies and approaches, Justin II paying in debts accrued by his 'incompetent' dead uncle, etc, while eventually succumbing to insanity, being a puppet for his wife who was Theodora's niece (bad blood between them), and so forth.
>>11043317He was a prominent and famous writer at the time, the fact that he followed the previous emperor, then wrote the stuff he did just gives him more credibility to the ones next in line as they knew how valuable he was.
>>11043275>>11043244procopius wrote 2 works, history which is flattering to Justinian and theodora and secret history which is extreme in its vitirol. It's likely secret history was comissioned by someone who hated Justinian - and there were lots of people who had reason to hate him - like the aristocracy and elite of Byzantium who didn't like that the kingship was going to some outsider from the balkins. Also Justinian raised taxes quite a bit to fund his campaign against western rome so that would also hae made someone want to comission a secret history about him. >>11043388I doubt it was justinian's nephew because he would need justinian look at least somewhat good to get his claim for the throne. It was probably someone in competition with him from another family
>>11043421You have to take into consideration that the original work survives with multiple copies still intact, which says numerous things about the affairs of Justin II and Sophia, because if the couple had a strong connection uncle Justinian, the work would have been burned and Procopius executed.
>>11043449A follow up: The text is also extremely biased in favor of Justin II reign compared to Justinians. One example >It was again in Justin’s time that the Monophysite court eunuch, Amantius was killed (518) and Bitelianus, the former counter-emperor was murdered (520): Procopius attributes both murders to JustinianProcopius lived through the time and he is definitely chalking up unpopular events and attributing them to Justinian, making Justin II look way better. There is also plenty of other stuff.