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>we don’t want to be around x let’s leave and form our own communities
>but we still want to use your jobs
Are suburbs the most damaging thing to ever have been created? Why did boomers after ww2 decide suburbs were a good idea?
> Suburbs first emerged on a large scale in the 19th and 20th centuries as a result of improved rail and road transport, which led to an increase in commuting.
> The Grassroots Collaborative reports that while commuters might spend money while at work downtown, the tax-free billions they take home to the suburbs are not helping Chicago's neighborhoods.
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>>10515811
>Are suburbs the most damaging thing to ever have been created?
Yes, and I seriously believe that in 100+ years when we read back into american history it will be seen this way. The source of nearly every single problem with the USA we are experiencing right now.
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>>10515811
>inner cities are violent due to immigrants and minorities
>this white people's fault for not wanting to live near violence
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>>10515835
>white
You mentioned "white" first.
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>>10515835
>inner cities are violent due to immigrants and minorities
>this white people's fault for not wanting to live near violence
Lmfao NYC and Chicago were fucking crimeridden shitholes 100 years ago when the country was 90% white including the gangsters.
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>>10515853
>things were different 100 years ago
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>>10515859
The point is that cities have always been full of crime, it has nothing to do with "immigrants and minorities".
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>>10515853
>"You should put up with [X] because your grandfather dealt with worse"
Bring back sweatshops and the 12 hour day!
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>>10515869
Maybe if they didn’t like it they should have left
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>>10515853
This. Crime has been dropping since the 90s, including cities. Yet immigration has increased.
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>>10515835
British America c. 1700 was 6x more violent than the USA is today
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>>10517626
>So if there are more immigrants and non white people in the cities than ever before
Hispanics and Asians, sure. I know they can get a bad rap but they generally aren't the degenerate savages who turn cities into failed states like a certain other ethnic group.
>and crime nationwide is dropping
Yea, its pretty nice I suppose.
>then crime has no inherent correlation with race.
It absolutely does.
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>>10517703
Criminality isn't necessarily connected to race. Black communities in small towns aren't identical to Baltimore or St. Louis.
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>>10517720
Yeah, it has more so to do with class rather than race. Poorer communities tend to have higher crime rates than rich areas.
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>>10517736
In the US, the dangerous areas seem to be poor areas of cities, yeah.
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>>10517756
Which is why so many politicians want to cut taxes, because they know the social safety nets in place benefit those areas the most. And rich people need poor people to stay poor so they can be rich.
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>>10517720
>Black communities in small towns
such as?
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>>10517785
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>>10515835
Literally nobody was blaming white people.

Also
>Implying Burbs can't be shitted up.
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>>10517790
Do you expect a laundry list of every small town in the Southeast US?
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>>10515853
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>>10517853
yes, I want to compare those towns' racial make up and the crime rate
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>>10515811
>hey boss I want to live somewhere else but don't worry I'll just commute to work.
Why is OP such a faggot that he feels personally attacked by this?
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>>10517891
It's simpler to just look up whether rural areas are safer than cities in general.
https://law.jrank.org/pages/2222/Urban-Crime-Are-crime-rates-higher-in-urban-areas.html
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>>10515811
>> The Grassroots Collaborative reports that while commuters might spend money while at work downtown, the tax-free billions they take home to the suburbs are not helping Chicago's neighborhoods.
Based, FUCK city councils. Inner-cities would still be utter shitholes even if their mayors had infinite budgets.
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>>10515853
>>10517553
that was due to another problem, the b**mers who got us into this mess
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>>10517950
where's the racial make up?
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>>10518038
It's not necessary. Small towns and rural areas are just generally safer than big cities.
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>>10517950
>More people = More crime
yeah no shit, but compare it to 3 decades ago, and crime is overall lower.
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>>10518062
>rates
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>>10517959
Maybe suburbs should create their own jobs and Trade amongst themselves then
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>>10517736
>>10517756
No, that has already been factored for.
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>>10518128
View Park-Windsor Hills has a population 10x that of Beattyville, obviously rural areas have lower crime rates than urban areas.
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>>10518166
I’m sure that you would find a relative correlation. Not to even mention the social cohesion issue.
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>>10518174
View Park is part of Los Angeles, you're asking why a section of a city has a higher crime rate than a community in rural Kentucky
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>>10518193
It’s a single case study showing the income did not affect the relative crime rate. If you want to filter for population size be my guest. I suspect you will find similar results.
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>>10515821
How so?
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>>10515853
B-but Italians aren't white.
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>>10518208
So would you think the richest black neighborhood in America and the poorest black neighborhood would have the same crime rates?
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>>10518235
Good question, these should be compared next to each other next to the poorest white neighborhoods and richest white neighborhoods to find relative difference. A good study to see if there is a factor based on race or not. I suspect so.
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>>10518128
>one white town of 1k vs a part of LA
Awfully thought-out "meme." It conveniently forgets that View Park-Windsor Hills is also safer than many surrounding areas.
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>>10518289
^See above posts
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>>10518302
For incoherent, irrelevant rambling? There's no defending that meme - it's just terribly made.
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>>10518313
I established a reasonable setup that would help determine a factor for race or not. If you’re interested in truth, feel free to filter more factors, or continue to ramble on what makes you feel best at the end of the day.
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>>10518333
That meme wasn't a "reasonable setup" by any means. It belongs on boomerbook or /pol/.
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>>10518309
I imagine this to be the case, I just like to get the stats right.
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>>10518343
I’m not talking about the meme alone, I’ve built off of that. Just because that particular setup is not sound, I still think there is a greater implication, and I’m attempting to filter for the factors that would convey that implication.
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>>10518309
Blacks also get harsher sentences for the same crime, even when controlling for priors.
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>>10518309
Wait but couldn't that just expose false conviction rates are higher with black people than white people?
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>>10518368
Then you're doing a terrible job at it.
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>>10518393
You’re not giving any indication of that by not acknowledging the new controls I established above.
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>>10518368
"filter for the factors" "convey that implication" yeah you don't know how to read scientific literature, you just imitate the aesthetic since you were too much of a stupid faggot for school
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>>10518393
See
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>>10518407
I addressed why you're full of shit here>>10518289
Other anons volunteered as well.
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>>10515811
I've heard that suburbs don't make enough tax to maintain their own infrastructure.
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>>10518412
That’s not an argument, that’s just you making ad hominems. All you have to do is scrutinize my controls that I redirected you to.
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>>10518430
Him pointing out your use of flowery language to disguise the fact you're saying nothing of substance isn't an ad hominem.
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>>10518421
No you’re just back tracking
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>>10518264
I did some research, and found that Beattyville, KY has an annual crime rate of 4.91 / 1k residents. View Park, CA has semi-annual crime rate is about 25.3 / 10k.

Adjusting for population, you get View Park to have a crime rate during this 6 month span to be 2.53 / 1k people, multiply 2.53 by 2 to get an estimated annual total crime rate, we end up with 5.06.

This is larger, however the difference between 5.06 and 4.91 is 0.15. You can take that how you want.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ky/beattyville/crime#data

http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/view-park-windsor-hills/crime/#six-months
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>>10518438
Look here:
>>10518264
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>>10518448
Thank you, I’m reading this now.
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>>10518439
Are you not a native English speaker?
>>10518452
We have country-level comparisons, though as usual there's other factors involved.
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>>10518448
I appreciate the second analysis on this particular case study; however, I still stress the need for more and and like the anon above said we need to control for population. Although, I don’t expect a study to materialize in this thread, I’m trying to filter for more factors that would clean the study up, and that’s what I’m struggling with other anons to understand.
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>>10518483
I want to focus on towns with similar population sizes, but also factor for race, income, and possibly other factors that may make the study less questionable.

That and it needs a larger sample size, I don’t think one case study should be definitive, my aim is not to be disingenuous.
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>>10518166
Rural areas actually have crime above the national average. It's pretty bad.

t. Kentuckian

That said, the meme is still super dumb because you're comparing a part of a major metro area in driving distance of poverty stricken ghettos with a place that is super isolated and only has crime from its own residents to worry about.
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>>10515811
>>10515821
>undesirable people mass migrate to your city
>leave but have a car so you can still work in the city just not live there
>”NOOOO YOU HAVE TO LIVE AROUND TYRONERINO HE MAKES HIS MONEY MUGGING YOUR ASS NOW HE CANT FEED HIS ELEVEN BABY MAMAS”
>>10517832
Except OP described exclusively white people.
>inb5 you pretend the 1% of the population that was white acting blacks running from other blacks prove whiteflight isn’t exactly what it is
>>10515843
See above
>>10515853
>majority black Italian and Jewish
>100% white
I be laffin
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