>faster than us>stronger than us>night vision>built for harsh climates>killer instinctsits over sapiens bros
>>10242522>chucks spearHeh. Nothin personnel...
>>10242522Neanderthal vs human femur thickness
>>10242522>skullmogs every chinlet Neanderthal in your path
>>10242522denisovans are literally neanderthals but taller and stronger
>>10242522Stop shilling this thread
The book that change anthropology forever.
>>10242522That's too hairy to be a neanderthal
>>10242636Neanderthal femur thickness is within modern human variation:>It is often claimed that the modern human postcranial skeleton is less robust than those of earlier humans. Our ideas about what is “modern” in the postcranium are based chiefly on comparisons with Neandertals, since little is known about other archaic Homo postcrania. Such comparisons may be misleading. Neandertals were exceptionally big, stocky, and muscular people, and many supposedly distinctive features of modern limbs appear to be allometric differences that reflect the larger body mass of Neandertals. For example, Neandertals have larger femoral joint surfaces than modern humans, but the differences disappear hen properly scaled for body mass (Ruff et al. 1993). The limb bones of Neandertals (and other archaic Homo) tend to have pronounced and rugose muscle markings, but many modern skeletons have muscle attachment areas that are just as rugose. Relative to length, the long bones of modern limbs are more gracile than those of Neandertals, with thinner shafts, thinner cortical layers, and large marrow cavities-on average. But again, there is a lot of overlap between the two groups in these metrics. For instance, the femoral robusticity index of modern human samples has a range that completely encompasses that of the Neandertals (Table 9.1). Some of the other postcranialfeatures that are often cited as distinctively modern (Person 2000a) are not not as distinctive if viewed in a broader context. For example, limb proportions clearly distinguish Neandertals from early modern Europeans or West Asians (Table 7.6) but they would not so clearly distinguish Neandertals from Lapps or Inuit.
>>10242721I got a digital copy of this shit for free.
>>10242731The fact he gave it slit pupils is just ridiculous, but I think it presents a semi-valid point that we don't know much about their soft tissue features.
>>10242721>4.4 stars on Amazon
>>10242735>I got a digital copy of this shit for free.Where?
>>10242733Neanderthals also had similar levels of traumatic injuries to UP modern humans too. Though they suffered from malnutrition more.
I want to believe that even superpredator murder machines like the Neanderthals knew how to love.
>>10242522Yeah, it's over for them. They went extinct. We didn't. Sometimes the better, faster, stronger guy loses when by all accounts he shouldn't have. Life isn't like a computer game where the better build always wins. Just look at sports, sometimes good teams lose against shitty ones. That's life. We won against the Neanderthals. We probably shouldn't have been able to ,but we did anyway. Sucks to be them.
>>10242522>>10242636>>10242733So were Neanderthals only strong compared to modern humans or were they exceptionally robust compared to other archaic hominins too?
>>10242860>Here we present the first quantitative three-dimensional reconstruction of the thorax of the juvenile H. erectus skeleton, KNM-WT 15000, from Nariokotome, Kenya, along with its estimated adult rib cage, for comparison with H. sapiens and the Kebara2 Neanderthal. Our three-dimensional reconstruction demonstrates a short, mediolaterally wide and anteroposteriorly deep robust thorax in KNM-WT 15000 that differs considerably from the much shallower thorax of H. sapiens, pointing to a recent evolutionary origin of fully modern human body shape. The large respiratory capacity of KNM-WT 15000 is compatible with the relatively stocky, more primitive, body shape of H. erectus.Narrower gracile rib cages are a recent adaptation in sapiens for running long distances. Erectus wasn't as well suited for persistance hunting with its stock deep rib cage. Pic related are the rib cages of a modern human, neanderthal and erectus from left to right.
>>10242522End this meme
>>10242910Erectus was suited towards persistence hunting and it had much narrower pelvis than Sapiens or Neanderthal to accommodate that. Notice that the Neanderthal rib cage is more robust than the Erectus and Sapiens.
>>10242946Erectus' rib cage is closer in shape and size to a neanderthals than a modern humans, that's the point.
I’m a brainlet when it comes to this stuff but I’ve been lurking in the previous threads. If homo sapiens in the past were robust bulls with super strength and high quality bones, why are the few remaining hunter gatherers a bunch of neotenous dyels? The sentinelese for example have been isolated from mankind for 60k years but are giga manlet underweight plebs.
>>10242969Yeah, nobody likes to admit it but people of the past weren't typically muscled out supermen. Yeah, you;d get a few every now and then, just like you get a few every now and then today, but they were hardly the norm. People are healthier today than ever. Just, a healthy homo-sapiens doesn't actually look like a muscled out super-man, he looks mildly toned from day to day exercise with a little bit of extra fat for energy storage in case of famine. That's how a typical human is meant to look. I think people are healthier now than ever, it just doesn't live up to the general public's expectations.
>>10242969Remaining hunter gatherers live in isolated refugia that have less carrying capacities, I think a lot of the robustness of early humans has to do with their diet and since megafauna aren't around anymore, we don't have tall robust cavechads. It's why WHG are shorter and less robust than pre LGM humans despite both sharing a hunter gather lifestyle.
>>10242752True. Ironic since the first thing that led him to question this was trying to create a physically scary Neanderthal and only after that did he get into actual science; the physicality is the only part that’s inaccurate. Everybody knows Neanderthals have large, fleshy noses.
Guess which skull belongs to Javan H. erectus and which skull belongs to an indigenous Australian H. sapiens.
>>10243056Why are abo skulls so long? Populations like diverged earlier than they did (like the Khoisan) have more globular and modern looking skulls.
>>10243029Environment definitely plays a part, but there is some genetic evidence to back up reduction in robustness:> By intersecting our experimental data with new paleogenetic analyses comparing modern and archaic humans, we uncover a modern-specific enrichment for regulatory changes both in BAZ1B and its experimentally defined downstream targets, thereby providing the first empirical validation of the self-domestication hypothesis and positioning BAZ1B as a master regulator of the modern human face.
>>10242779Here you go.>https://mega.nz/file/6KJTTQhR#VfdB5aSk_QbIAKZTtrXQVm-7qzDbb1CW-dw8kZ4rMuM>>10243037He definitely started from his conclusion, so I never expected good unbiased science. On the subject of soft tissue, is there any recent word on DNA traits regarding that? There's only so much bones can tell us, and every artist adds their own personal interpretation.
>>10243113I wonder what the Neanderthal version of this gene does instead.
>>10243056Top is sapiens, cranial vault is higher even if the skull is elongated, whereas erectus skulls are both long and low
>Why yes, I do perform morphometric analyses of stone age skulls as a hobby. How can you tell?
>>10242659 The skull from the reconstruction was from the neolithic Sudan. Clueless to why he has pale skin.
>>10243149I think there's other signs too, like the occipital bun and aging on the bottom skull.
>Neanderthals weren’t docile omnivores, but savage, cannibalistic carnivores—top flight predators—who hunted, killed and cannibalised our archaic ancestors in the Middle East for 50,000 years. What’s more, Neanderthals were also sexual predators, who raided human camps to rape, and abduct young females, leaving a trail of half-cast ‘inbreds’.Is this true?
>My fetish? I masturbate to pictures of adequately robust paleolithic cranial specimens posted by strangers on 4chan.
>>10243196you can't rape the willing
>>10243196None of it. Sapiens expanded into Neanderthal territory genocided most and absorbed the remnants. Neanderthals were also omnivores like modern Humans.
>>10243196I really doubt murder gorillas would be stealthy.
>>10243272Murder cats are stealthy.
>>10243286Millions of years of evolution honed that
>>10243244The author is referring to earlier in history. The expansion that wiped out the Neanderthals wasn't the first. There were territories that earlier Homo Sapiens took, that Neanderthals later displaced them in.
>>10243306The issue is that there aren't any territories like that. The Middle East remained modern Human once they took it from the Neanderthals, same with Europe, and Central Asia.
>>10242522reminder neanderthals would've gone extinct without modern humans doing anything
>>10242522The other day I was reading about how adult african ostriches are very rarely killed by predators because their heads are 9 feet up in the air with excellent eyesight, they can outrun just about anything other than a cheetah, and if cornered they can fight with extremely powerful kicks. Ostriches have even been observed killing adult lions with a single well aimed kick to the skull.But only 15% of chicks reach adulthood. During mating season the males are extremely hostile and protective of their chicks. But hyenas and african painted dogs will frequently send one of their hunting party out as bait to get the dominant male ostrich to attack him, while the rest attack the females to try to nab some chicks and run away.What I'm trying to say is that cooperation will triumph over any bird brain, no matter how tough it is. There is no land animal in the world that cave men were unable to successfully hunt.
>>10243336Humans and neanderthals used to share the middle east replacing each other as the climate favored one over the other for tens of thousands of years
>>10242969>The sentinelese for example have been isolated from mankind for 60k yearsThis is a meme. The sentinelese only isolated themselves in the early 19th century after their island was raided by Brits. Prior to that they were in contact with other islands and regularly intermarried.
>>10242802see>>10242812Humans had the true to key to victory: friendship!
>>10243370There is no evidence for it.
>>10242522They are also retarded and the same mental acuity of a 4 year old.
>Neanderthals invent the Mousterian lithic industry>use it for 100,000 years and never bother coming up with any new toolsWere early Neanderthals more innovative than later Neanderthals?
>>10243448Neandertal tool making traditions was more diverse than you give it credit for. There was different variation by regions and different 'schools' of Mousterian in Europe so to speak. Some places made bifaces while others produced handaxes.
>>10243412They had a larger cranial capacity than Sapiens and were probably close to the Sapien average intelligence.
>>10243448We used mousterian for almost as long as neanderthals did, they were clearly good enough for the tasks we used them for
>>10243494Why did humans move on from mousterian technology but neanderthals didn't then?
>>10243510Probably because they didn't need to. Pretty much all human innovation is driven by struggle which is why technology tends to rapidly advance during and after major wars.
>>10243510My guess would be projectile technology necessitating the development of smaller, sharper and more specialized stone tools and artifact which is a trend you see in AMH tool industries starting from the Aterian. You'll consistently find that Mousterian assemblages are comprised of tools that rely more on brute force than a sharper cutting edge to wound prey and butcher carcasses. And Neanderthals simply weren't specialized for projectile weaponry so they stuck with the less projectile focused and brute force centric Mousterian.
>>10243526Neanderthals coexisted and competed with projectile wielding sapiens thoIsn't that an incentive to maybe get more advanced stone tools to make better projectiles of their own?
>>10243538Neanderthal spears weren't made for throwing, at least as much as modern human spears were. So their range was shorter. Not to mention there's tons of studies that say Neanderthals were biomechanically limited when throwing because of the range of articulation in their shoulder joints being narrower than that of a modern human's, putting them at a pretty steep disadvantage in this regard. If Neanderthals developed tools like bows and arrows they might have overcome this deficiency since those weapons depend on elbow movement instead of relying on shoulder motion which Neanderthals evidently lacked. Imagine an english long bowman with the upper body strength of a Neanderthal. You could make bows too cumbersome and large for modern humans to use but Neanderthals could, which I'd imagine would have even greater range and stopping power than an average modern human bowman. Though the reload time of such a weapon would undoubtedly be slower.
>>10243669Fuck, now I want neanderthal long bowman
>>10243531Neanderthals were more pragmatic with their tool design, a modern human tool wouldn't make much sense to a neanderthal since it's too overspecialized in their eyes, mousterian tools are more practical in terms of having one tool accomplish many things
How recently did erectus persist in Africa? I'm asking cause I'm curious if they were the ghost hominin that diverged from us more than a million years ago and interbred with us.
>>10243810>Analysis of putative introgressive haplotypes in the fifteen hunter-gatherer samples suggests that the archaic African population and modern humans diverged around 1.2 to 1.3 million years ago.That seems to be in the timeframe of something like antecessor than anything erectus. Erectus would've split from our lineage closer to 2.0 mya.
>>10242659Mogged by Neanderthal>>10243181Paleolithic.Dark skin is an adaptation. Humans are naturally pale greyish brown, like chimps.
>>10242802They cared for their old to the degree they would have to carry them around.Humans have no such empathy.Humans will help their own in need, but not to the point of wasting 20% of their group potential just to keeping that family member alive.
>>10243112Longer nasal tract to better absorb benzaic aromatics
*effortlessly skull mogs yousup homos
>>10243244>Sapiens actually fought Neanderthalswhen will this meme die? Neanderthals were basically gone by the time humans got the balls to leave aunt jemima Africa.The QEE killed Neanderthals, not humans.
>>10243865Based and jawpilled
>>10243669>biomechanically limited when throwing because of the range of articulation in their shoulder joints being narrower than that of a modern human'sThat sounds like total shit.
>>10243839>no chin>no flanged zygosNope.
>>10243865>saggital crest moggedw-we still have our IQs right h-homobros?
>>10242860this hominid been drinking anaconda malt liquor
>>10243932enjoy getting knocked out by a hammerfist to the side of your temple Mr. No-brow.
>>10243944Why do fat autists feel the need to project themselves onto a "team" from the paleolithic?
>>10243944But that sapiens has a thick brow
>>10243977No he doesn't.>>10243952why do atomistic sois feel a need to sterilize and reduce everything to effete non-threatening and uninteresting forms?Is it projection because they ((You)) are uninteresting, non-threatening, and effete?
>>10243993>why do atomistic sois feel a need to sterilize and reduce everything to effete non-threatening and uninteresting forms?>Is it projection because they ((You)) are uninteresting, non-threatening, and effete?probably
What did neandersovans look like?
>>10243993Why do pudgy losers feel the need to dramaticize and exaggerate reality despite all the evidence being to the contrary. Is it because you're too bitter and miserable to handle reality without it being badassized to your short attention span zoom zoom brain? Or are you just a contrarian whose inable to separate fact from what you want to be true?
>>10243810Swartkrans tools assigned to erectus date at the latest to ~780 kya, but the middle stone age fossil record is very incomplete so we can't sure
>come back to the thread>it's the still the seething retard everyone made fun of last timeYikes.
>>10244011who and what are you even referring to?
>>10244031The guy who sad that any attempt to take a realistic view of things is actually a mental weakness and the need to "to sterilize and reduce everything to effete non-threatening and uninteresting forms". Whatever that's supposed to mean.
>>10244010The gap in cognitive capacity between neandersovans and descendants of erectus migrants they encountered would've been greater than the gap between neanderthals and UP europeans. Erectus at that time had a CC of 1000 cubic cm while the forms migrating out of Africa would've been 1200 cubic cm on average. It makes the human-neanderthal difference look marginal.
>>10244024>>10244031>>10244039>>10244045you get btfo every thread. Neanderthals are unmoggable, they btfo homos easily, and nothing you do can overturn you and everyone like you being peak incel.Your women would rather fuck dogs than you.
>>10244086Did you get MOGGED by a black guy in school or something and now you act like this?
>>10244086>Your women would rather fuck dogs than you.whites btfo
>>10244024I regret checking.What compels someone to act like a butthurt mouthbreathing mongoloid and derail a thread like this? https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10226584/#10228853
>>10244129Uncontrollable autism. His parents should've beaten him more so he wouldn't sperg out as much as an adult.
>>10244010Probably like bodo
>>10243839>>10243993This is the rapebaby Romanian incel who screeches about nazi fantasies. He has an IQ in the 70's. He is the self-described "R1b shill" in DNA threads and would post Tillman, despite being Romanian. He once tried to pass himself off as the "WHG American" but only tried to assume that identity after the real one left /his/. He routinely tries to falseflag, despite being a Romanian, he worships Western Europeans, and hates all others groups including himself. He made a false claim that he was on the "WHGlet" side until he recognized that R is superior to his I2 haplogroup, now he just settles for calling himself an I2 slave of R.Despite previously claiming to be R1, here he claims several times he was tested and is I2, while at times lying about his ancestry.desuarchive.org/his/thread/9023179/#9023949desuarchive.org/his/thread/8685583/#8696505desuarchive.org/int/thread/123049127/#123057422desuarchive.org/int/thread/123049127/#123063774Claimed to be I1 here.desuarchive.org/his/thread/7332150/#7350023Here he insults Americans calling them mutts.desuarchive.org/his/thread/7332150/#7349698Links prawd.sweb blog with anti Han Chinese, anti Indian, anti Slavic, anti American content.desuarchive.org/int/thread/124662356/#124686192desuarchive.org/his/thread/8716198/#8722326desuarchive.org/his/thread/8716198/#8728011desuarchive.org/his/thread/8989592/#8999451desuarchive.org/his/thread/8716198/#8727680Here he is seething against haplogroups R, J, and I1 because of his inferiority complex.desuarchive.org/his/thread/8951090/#8963882Starts cursing Hungarians in his rapebaby Romanian language.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9790067/#q9794015
>>10244220If not the erectus grill what about a neanderthal gf?
>>10244129>was in that thread>went to bed because I was tired >awoke>refreshed the thread because I thought it was interesting >scroll down from where I left off>literally became incomprehensible autistic garbage with a single postNo seriously, what the fuck was his problem? I have never seen a thread get derailed so hard in my entire life.
>>10244276schizophrenia and obsession
>>10244309Says the one still talking about it.
>>10243942His dick doesn't look little to me
>>10242522Stop spamming this gay foced meme Danny
>>10244318I wasn't even in that thread dumbass
dexfags win again
The most robust Homo sapiens that ever existed vs the most robust Homo neanderthalensis that ever existed. Who wins?
>>10244431Probably the Homo sapiens as he would likely be more robust.
>>10243930If neanderthals had better throwing abilities they would've made more advanced projectiles like us but they didn't
>>10244431Does does this include archaics? Archaic Homo sapiens would be on par with neanderthals when it comes to musculature and skeletal robusticity but they would be taller and thus overall stronger with more muscle mass than Neanderthals if Kabwe remains are any indication.
>>10244436>he would likely be more robust.Explain?
>>10244465If you were here for the last couple of threads you would know.
>>10244431>Neanderthals are more robust than proto Neanderthals>Modern humans are more gracile than basal sapiens
>>10244465Because every single neanderthal morphological phenotype has overlap with that expressed in homo sapiens. They weren't superhumans, they were just really stocky dudes. Considering H sapiens has a larger all time population sample by several orders of magnitude, its likely that the most jacked sapien of all time would be more robust.
>>10244505>every single neanderthal morphological phenotype has overlap with that expressed in homo sapiens.And that's not even taking into account the vast majority of morphological diversity in Homo sapiens is extinct, especially most of the robust early forms.
>>10242522go away danny
I swear Varg posts in these threads
>>10243865>>10243938>be robust australopith>be genetic dead end
>>10243538Neanderthals could have simply died from some freak event because they were small in numbers and heavily inbred. There was a recent Dutch study that postulated that Sapiens wasn't even needed for their extinction.
Neanderthal vs Paranthropus in a fightWho wins?
>>10244763Paranthropus should've been the lineage to live not h*mohttps://youtu.be/dG3Z3tTMbuc
>>10244763Someone post the habilis vs paranthropus picture
>you now realize Paranthropus has a rock album dedicated to ithttps://youtu.be/xLTmJiaiJdg
>>10244492>Neanderthals are more robust than proto NeanderthalsI don't think that's true.
>>10244830Are there any studies on heidelbergensis bone density?
>>10244763Paranthropus gives the neanderthal herpes
>>10242522Homo Sapiens are weak.
There are examples of recent human populations being more robust than Neanderthals:>The HSRI-2 index of Taotao Tagga' and the mean index for Chamorro males far exceed the means for the two most robust of the fossil groups, European and Middle Eastern Neandertals (13.7±1.3) and the Epigravettian-associated Early Modern Homo sapiens from Italy (13.7±0.8)>This means that ancient Chamorros, in general, had upper arm circumferences that were larger in relation to length than other groups of skeletons that have been so measured, and that Taotao Tagga’, in particular, had extremely stout upper arm bones (even for a Chamorro of his time), when measured right below his deltoid (shoulder) muscle attachment site.
>>10243196> > Neanderthals weren’t docile omnivores, but savage, cannibalistic carnivores—top flight predators—who hunted, killed and cannibalised our archaic ancestors in the Middle East for 50,000 years. What’s more, Neanderthals were also sexual predators, who raided human camps to rape, and abduct young females, leaving a trail of half-cast ‘inbreds’.> Is this true?It makes sense. We’re talking about a species that evolved in a harsh environment where up to 90% of their diet was meat but who hadn’t invented the bow or even spear thrower nor domesticated dogs and only had stabbing spears, this means Neanderthals were ambush hunters who depended on a short quick rush and using brute strength to stab the game animal to death before it could run off and that means they were most likely night hunters, (as this greatly improves the odds of such a primitive hunting method) further evidenced by their substantially larger eyes and we know Neanderthals cannibalized not just humans but also their own and hominids being hominids, they would have raped any women they got their hands on and this is proven by DNA analysis which shows the interbreeding was wholly Neanderthal male on human female.In short; Neanderthals were essentially orcs.
>>10245103Low IQ post full of fantasy
>>10243244>Sapiens expanded into Neanderthal territory genocided most and absorbed the remnants.Only much later and ironically, only after interbreeding with Neanderthals but for thousands of years, Neanderthals actively preyed on humans until we gradually turned the tables on them (due to our greater intelligence and capacity for speech) and wiped them out.
>>10245103Ok rape fetishist. Go wank off on your own>and this is proven by DNA analysis which shows the interbreeding was wholly Neanderthal male on human femaleSource?
>>10245283There is no source, but there is that study that said Human females would abort Neanderthal fetuses while Neanderthal females could carry Human fetuses just fine because of antigens.
>>10242522Ayo, where all the neanderthal womyn at? We want to make some euro/asian babies, ya feel me?
>>10245067Are there any good papers comparing neanderthals with other archaic humans or basal morphotypes of H. sapiens?
>>10243196No its some dudes meme theory to get famous
>>10245561>An osteobiography of a remarkable protohistoric Chamorro manfrom Taga, Tinian>Legendary Chamorro Strength: Skeletal embodiment and the boundaries of interpretation>>10245571I don't have many but they are probably out there. See >>10242733 for femur robusticity compared to human groups. For an analysis of the development of the modern human brow region compared to Neanderthals:>The Evolution of the Eyebrow Region of the Forehead, with Special Reference to the Excessive Supraorbital Development in the Neanderthal Race. CunninghamIn terms of variation in cranial robusticity for modern humans (and in some cases archaic), Marta Mirazon Lahr is the best source.
>giving birth only gets more dangerous over time>derived hominins would have trouble or even die if they gave birth alone without assistance Sometimes I wonder how our ancestors even managed to reproduce enough to sustain their population. Even mammals without constricted birth canals suffer a considerable rate from birth related deaths and situations where the baby is stuck and can't move out.
>>10245707If you think humans have it bad remind yourself that spotted hyenas have maternal mortality rates of up to 18% because they effectively give birth through a feminine penis and the baby often gets stuck suffocating the infant and killing the mother via infection or having an obstructed orifice. And hyenas aren't intelligent enough to come up with modern medicine and hygiene let alone midwives to alleviate their birth issues like us.
>>10245817That's interesting considering hominin scavengers probably competed with hyenas
>>10245672Yeah every other species other than neanderthals tends to get ignored in these comparative analyses
>>10245858Still waiting on those habilis arm circumference studies.
>>10245906That song is more than 20 years old
>>10245858If you can ever find it in full or want to buy it, "The Human Lineage" by Cartmill is probably what you would be looking for as an overview. I have posted excerpts from the free preview before and it seems excellent. You can check out some of John Hawks' videos on YouTube which are interesting as well.
>>10244438That's a lot of conjecture.
>>10244093your sapoid women.>>10244105>muh blagswho? Those gracile pygmoids?>>10244170never have been romanian, never will be.You will always be a hypergracile asian dwarf.
>>10245103Based and Trve.>>10245107cope>>10245283>>10245299There are no inherited X or Y Neanderthal lines in humans, this leaves only 1 possible pairing, Neanderthal male, human female, creating halfbreed daughters.
>>10246056Aren't Neanderthal testicle genes heavily selected against in modern humans, suggesting male offspring may have been sterile?
>>10245933I own several textbooks as pdfs though I can't find a full pdf of that online
>>10246032>Your sapoid women?Are you not a human? Are some kind of... subhuman?>>10246314>Could it be *realistic reason*>No, it was actually because Neanderthals were violent black rape gorillas who ate and raped all puny jew humoids into near extinction by MOGGING them with their somewhat higher average stockiness!!!Don't expect honest, intelligent discourse from these "people"
>>10246489I am a suprahuman.>realistic reasonkek, there is no evidence for this claim >>10246314>Aren't Neanderthal testicle genes heavily selected against in modern humans, suggesting male offspring may have been sterile?>Neanderthals were bigger, stronger, and more violent than humans and thus tribal warfare was more likely to occur and with neanderthals as winners>"VGH UNREAL SHOW ME MORE CONJECTURE ABOUT BALLS">"people"ironic, you are weaker than a chimp and stupider than a sapien.
>>10244220>>10244230The neanderthal female looks more feminine
>>10246532>I am a suprahumanMethinks you're a fatfuck and cope with this by claiming to be robust like a neanderthal.>There is no evidenceTheres also no evidence of neanderthal on sapien violence, rape, cannibalism, or otherwise, in the fossil record yet here we are.
>>10246532Mods please ban this sperg
>>10244763>Paranthropus could have coexisted with rhodesiensis/heidelbergensis in AfricaImagine being a grug and your neighbor is some bigfoot looking creature.
>>10246620firstly I never claimed anything, secondly you're projecting.HAHAHHAA>no evidence of neanderthal on sapien violence or rapeexcept for Neanderthal DNA in humans coming exclusively from males.Human remains found cannibalized by Neanderthals. You peddle your nonsense in every thread, you get btfo in every thread, yet you return and insist on looking like an idiot>>10246632>MOOOOOOOODSnot an argument
>>10244763>battle of the dwarves
>>10246532>kek, there is no evidence for this claimOther than that testicle genes were selected against.>https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(17)30128-9.pdf>>10246489>Don't expect honest, intelligent discourse from these "people"Well, I'm trying to explain a possible reason for the lack of Neanderthal Y chromosomes in moderns. If I recall correctly, there aren't any Neanderthal mitochondrial variants in moderns either. That could suggest that it was male Neanderthals with female Sapiens, but only the female offspring were fertile. "Could".
>>10246825>Other than that testicle genes were selected against.The relevant portion.>Consistent with this observation, genes with high expression in the testes are significantly depleted of Neanderthal ancestry, suggesting that purifying selection disproportionately removed Neanderthal haplotypes at these genes following introgression (Sankararaman et al., 2014). This finding is also consistent with the hypothesis that male hybrid individuals may have incurred reduced fertility (Sankararaman et al., 2014, 2016; Currat and Excoff-ier, 2011).
>>10246825>Neanderthal genes are broadly selected against>this includes their sack genes>'heh guess they were all sterile'Youre a fucking retard lolHere is the actual study, dont cite a book sized PDF.>https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12961Neanderthal males were breeding human females. Modern Humans being more human in their balls says nothing about Neanderthal males.What says a lot about Neanderthal males is they were never cucked, there is not a single shred of evidence then or now of Human male x Neanderthal female.
>>10246825>>10246845>>10246890its worth noting, Sankararaman cites this phenomena in animals as evidence for reduced fertility/sterility.Yet this phenomena is not seen among Homo groups archaic or not.
>>10243196it is, if you ask Varg
>>10242762god damn normies are retarded, the internet was a mistake, what is the point of mountains of information if you can't think properly
>gracile this, gracile thatyou guys sound weirder by the day
>>10246890>>this includes their sack genesEspecially their sack genes.>>'heh guess they were all sterile'No, the male "hybrids" were sterile, or had reduced fertility. I'm not disagreeing about Neanderthals having likely fucked human women at some point, but more providing an explanation why their Y chromosome lineages wouldn't be retained at all in modern humans. If their hybrid male offspring had significantly reduced fertility, it'd be harder for there to be an intact direct male lineage.
>>10246964>Especially their sack genes.and also the genes for their brains.> Significant downregulation of introgressedalleles in the brain is particularly remarkable given the previousobservation by the GTEx Consortium that brain-expressedgenes show less ASE overall, a finding that was attributedto reduced levels of genetic diversity in this gene set (GTExConsortium, 2015).>Similar to brain-expressed genes, testis-expressed genesexhibited significant downregulation of Neanderthal allelesrelative to genes expressed in other tissues I don't think this has any significant implications other than Neanderthals being inbred by the time they were raping humans and humans having to refine Neanderthal introgressions.It could also be explained with Neanderthal male offspring being looked after by other Neanderthals or killed by humans while infants.Whereas hybrid females, humans would spare, and Neanderthals would just absorb, and they would eventually go extinct, their hybrids with them.Only hybrids living among humans would survive, humans probably killed the males and raped the females.
>>10247078Sure, there are alternative explanations, but the one I provided more or less makes enough sense as a possibility to discuss.
>>10247115I would agree if it didnt seem like special pleading for Neanderthals.Though being inbred contributes to sterility. But other homo groups do not have these issues of sterility as a result of mixing, and its only observed in some animals.
>>10242522>night visionare you serious?
>>10247219>I would agree if it didnt seem like special pleading for Neanderthals.Is it? How much do we know about introgression from other species? Seems to me like Neanderthals are just the most studied.
>>10246740>Human remains found cannibalized by neanderthals.You mean Neanderthal remains found cannibalized by neanderthals. The first evidence of h sapiens being cannibalized doesn't show up until tens of thousands of years after the last of the manlet species died off.
>>10243113Neanderthals are just adult version of the real humans.Modern domesticated form of humans never reach true adulthood because of neoteny process
>>10247423neanderthals ate the bones as well bro
>>10242522>still got fuckedSure it's over, we won
>>10247588Then why didn't they eat the bones of other neanderthals?
>>10243669what about slings?slings>bows in tribal warfare
>>10242522It's over for them maybe
Glad to see the threads on ancient humans can’t escape BLACKED autism either
>>10243839>Humans are naturally pale greyish brown, like chimps.Not Homo sapiens, you idiot. The genes for extremely dark brown skin were around 500,000 years ago. We already varied a lot in skin color before we left Africa.
>>10243854Dude we locked the world down to save a generation that has already retired.
>>10243810It wouldn't have been Homo erectus, considering that they're more likely to have split 2 million years ago. Case and point, the common ancestor of Neanderthals and Denisovans (Neandersovans) interbred with a species that was almost certainly Homo erectus, due to "superarchaic DNA" being found.
>>10244010Probably something similar to the Sima hominins.
>>10244220It's not fair. From the neck down, she's a pretty fit woman, nice muscle tone, good thighs, slightly perky breasts, but from the neck up, it's uncanny valley time.>>10244241I hadn't realized Homo habilis was so fucking puny.
>>10244530>And that's not even taking into account the vast majority of morphological diversity in Homo sapiens is extinct, especially most of the robust early forms.What a fucking shame.
>>10246727>>Paranthropus could have coexisted with rhodesiensis/heidelbergensis in AfricaWhat? Source? I thought they were extinct by 1.3-1.8 million years ago, that's well before the based rhodesiensis/heidelbergensis clines.
>>10245536>Homo sapiens>barely a chin to speak ofPathetic.
>>10247973It's a damn shame.
>>10248264Swartkrans remains that date to as recently as 0.6 mya
>>10243196Its meme pseud theory that some autistist is forcing each day
>>10248257All of it gone
>>10248781Post the better one.
>>10248781How far back can you go and still be considered homo sapiens?
>>10248876Neanderthals are occasionally classified as 'progressive' (less pronounced typical Neanderthal features) and 'classic' (more pronounced typical Neanderthal features). And genetics confirms heidelbergensis in Europe are pretty much proto much Neanderthals. As far as I know nobody ever did like this for early sapiens remains so the dividing line between the beginning our species and other African hominids is blurry. The distinction between clades within H. sapiens is even harder to pin down, if you want to you could make grade taxons for AMH and more robust archaic H. sapiens which in itself can arguably be split even more into earlier less neotenized forms like Iwo Eleru and later less neotenized forms like Jebel Irhoud.
>>10248876>How far back can you go and still be considered homo sapiens?The time when our lineage split off from our closest related sister species, probably rhodesiensis or some African ghost hominin we haven't found remains of, it could even be both since we could have more than one sister species. Every human that split off after this date would be able to produce fertile offspring with us. That would make our species 500,000 years old by some reports, which is incidentally around the same age as this hominin fossil in Morocco.
>>10242522How much neandertal DNA do you think Vendramini has?
>>10248991More than average
>>10248252The size difference in that picture is exaggerated since habilis was likely more sexually dimorphic than erectus and it's already smaller than erectus to begin with
>>10249011Probably less than average.
>>10249023Italy was a refugia in the ice age and one of the places where neanderthals persisted the longest in
>>10248991Neanderthals gangbanged his prehistoric italian great grandma and he's been seething ever since
>>10248876It was me I was the first homo sapiens
>>10246740>except for Neanderthal DNA in humans coming exclusively from males.Hehhttps://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/y-chromosome-from-early-modern-humans-replaced-neanderthal-y-67963
>>10243196>literally have a harder time passing as a women because my ancestor got raped by a neanderthal 50,000 years agogoddamn, i'm glad we fucking genocided them all
>>10248991He's deeply ashamed of his neanderthal roots.
>Analysis of this cranium appears to confirm suggestions from earlier finds at Vindija that this population of Neanderthals there were evolving a more "gracile" anatomy - less sturdy than classic big-boned Neanderthals.>Vindija cranium, Ahern, Journal of Human Evolution>The partial skull has a high forehead and small brow ridges>The skull's supraorbital torus - an arching, bony ridge above the eyes - is not as thick and projecting as in other Neanderthal remains. The specimen also has a higher braincase than is typical in Neanderthals.Neanderthalbros...
>>10249351There were light skin and dark skin neanderthals too. They're not one dimensional arhcetypes.
>>10249351More like neandetwinks
>>10244772Why do people make parathropus look so scary in reconstructions? It actually looks like the meme reconstruction of neanderthals.
>>10248815>>10248781What would this hypothetical LCA of Homo sapiens look like when reconstructed?
>>10249078Based Male Sapiens>>10249369Pic related.
>our fossil record of erectus morphotypes is more complete than our fossil record of sapiens morphotypes
>>10249466It's because they had a humanoid appearance, but looked even less human than other members of the australopithecine genera.
>>10249488That's what the red skull in those pictures is supposed to be iircBut I personally believe our species is older than 300 kya so our LCA would have more primitive features than that with a thicker brow ridge and larger face like Rhodesian man but our LCA would probably have something resembling the beginning of a chin.
>>10249502The crazy part is that these are all from the same country: Georgia. I'd love it if someone made one for all the different regions Homo erectus lived in, from many spots in Africa, Asia, Europe, etc.
>>10249466I like all of Yevseyev's reconstructions desu
>>10249518Something like this?
>>10249524>North AfricaDamn, this must be old if they still thought Jebel Irhoud was a Neanderthal.
>>10249519Shame Kabwe's lower jaw wasn't preserved or found. Finding a chin or the absence of one would really seal the deal on if it was a part of the lineage leading up to us.
>>10249526>>10249546Rhodesian man lacks a prominent canine fossa found in modern humans but then again, that might have evolved within our lineage much like how a globular skull shape evolved in our species after it originated. Jebel Irhoud has a skull globularity index outside the range of modern humans but Jebel Irhoud does seem to have pronounced canine fossa so this feature must have evolved in sapiens prior to ~315 kya and rhodesiensis is the same age as that so...
>>10249519This might satisfy your needs.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.10399
>>10249526So an archaic sapiens would basically look like a heidelbergensisesque form with a chin and prominent canine fossa? Essential irhoud but more robust and with thicker brow ridges and more of a sloping forehead for a bigger face.
>>10249647See >>10249575Based on what we know so far the sapienization of the face goes in this orderflatter face w/ less prognathic jaw > development of canine fossa/chin and smaller face tucked under the brain case > increased globularity of the cranium and atrophy of supraorbital ridges > near disappearance of the brow ridge in most populations
>>10249669what is the earliest instance of a disconnected brow ridge? can be the formation of glabella groove in center or the disappearance towards the edge of orbits.
I bet you fucks touch yourselves while looking at these skulls
>>10249687Irhoud has a brow ridge that sorta merges into the forehead at the center, unfortunately due to the lack of more basal sapiens fossils from the African MSA I can't find any earlier examples.
>>10247699sling require the same lateral rotation as throwing
>>10249744 You think that will stop him?
>>10249707For some reason I thought it would be later, but yeh>On Irhoud 2, the torus is less projecting and a modern pattern can already be seen, with a clear sulcus separating the two arches.
>>10249761 Skhul is very robust. More robust than most of the skulls (even from Neanderthals) I have seen. I wonder if his tribe left descendants.
>>10249760The neanderthal/modern human LCA had a fairly flat face with an almost disconnected torus. Looks like antecessor's condition which is supposed to have a face similar to sapiens.
>>10249779There's a small chance they might not have died out without passing on their genes to Papuans.https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/ancient-trace-in-papuan-genomes-suggests-previously-unknown-expansion-out-of-africa
>>10249502Erectus subtypes based on apomorphisms in the cranium, supraorbital torus and body size>Javan erectus (skull)>Northern Chinese erectus (skull)>Georgian erectus (smaller size)>African erectus (thinner cranial vault thickness)Anymore?
>>10249508Sagittal crests would've made them look like coneheads
>>10249779Skhul IV isn't far off from Amud 1 (a progressive neanderthal morphotype) in terms of robustness.
>>10249703Nah dude, I'm just here for the kino paleoanthropology discussion. It's not like we're doing that lame phrenology crap.
>>10249848Southern Chinese erectus like Yuanmou that distinct? I always thought the remains weren't complete enough to tell.
>>10249894These things are becoming regular enough to be a general.
>>10249905Might as well be an encompassing paleo-anthro general. Some of it even verges on the line between Paleolithic and Neolithic, what with Papuans possibly living side by side Denisovans as recently as 10-12kya.
>>10249944>what with Papuans possibly living side by side Denisovans as recently as 10-12kya.You mean red deer cave people right
>*blocks your path to North America*Nothing personnel homos
>>10249956No, I meant Denisovans. The RDCP were up in China (though who knows, maybe they were part Denisovan) at the time.https://www.newscientist.com/article/2198349-we-may-have-bred-with-denisovans-much-more-recently-than-we-thought/
>>10249983Reminds me of the theory that short faced hyenas fed on erectus individuals that died in caves. Hyenas were probably our longest lasting nonhuman competitors.
>>10249983Booooo fuck cave hyenas. Denisovans and maybe Neanderthals could have had a chance of survival in the Americas if it wasn't for them.
Does anyone knows a good book or even a scientific papers explaining in good detail how the migration of the first humans happened and that is also up to date? I got a sudden desire about the topic but i heard that since last year the current belief is that we got 2 mass migrations, so most books are probably wrong now
>>10250020Huh. I wonder why denisovans outlasted neanderthals then. Being less inbred might have helped.
What do you guys think of the theory archaic humans reached the Americas 130,000 years ago? If so, who do you think they were? Denisovans, neanderthals or someone else entirely?
>>10250077Was that ever fully deboonked?
>>10250077If so they either died out to early to intebreed with us or we wiped them out while not fucking them.
>>10249524What do you think of Gerasimovs?
How did they taste?
>>10250032there was at last 6 migration anon
My pet theory is that future racists will use a time machine in order to travel back 60k years where they tought racism to protowhitoids and helped kill off the more advanced African cultures.
>>10250128Is this floresiensis? If so, probably similar to chimp bushmeat.
>>10250121I prefer reconstructions with fur, hair and skin texture instead of just sculptures. But that's my personal taste speaking.
>>10242762what's wrong with this book? seems good.
>>10250107> we wiped them out while not fucking them.I really doubt something like that would happen. All evidence points to the fact our ancestors would very much try having sex with any other archaic human that looked like them. Early modern humans were horny coomers and they didn't have copius amounts of online porn so they had to vent out their sexual energy through fucking. The only reason we didn't interbreed with the likes of floresiensis and luzonensis is because of physical incompatibility and the fact they separated from us too far back making them appear too uncanny so we could've produce offspring, even infertile ones if we tried.
>>10250196Its pure unfilitered fantasy from a fraud who dropped off the face of the earth a few years ago
>>10250200My answer remains the same then.
>>10250171And then they help "white" neanderthals survive past their extinction date right?
>>10250136Out of Africa? From anatomically modern humans? All the conferences that I've seen so far talk about either a single push (oldest videos) or 2 pushes, and the first one was a "failure" and Neanderthals took their place until the second migration happened
>>10243196Why only in the middle east? Didnt we coexist in europe too
>>10250235They bred them with sapiens, yes
>>10242522>slit pupilsBut why?Did the artist just think it looked cool?
>>10250184Yeah, same here. I wish I could see the flesh properly.
>>10250264The guy who made the theory is a hack who just gave it features based on what he perceived as primal fears of humanity, saying they were all based on Neanderthals while ignoring that snakes, crocodiles, and big cats also exist.
>>10250062>2019Thanks anon but i wonder if it still holds up with the discovery on 2020 that sub saharans have neanderthal genes
>>10250280Why would we be the ones who were traumatised? They were the ones who got eaten.
How strong and smart would a first generation Neanderthal/Sapiens hybrid be? Would it combine the cerebral specialities of both species, retaining the sensory-motor control/superior vision of Neanderthals and higher symbolic thinking/language skills of Modern Humans? Would it have the frame of a Neanderthal on the height of a Modern Human? So many questions.
>>10250289There was an earlier time when the competition wasn't so one-sided. Neanderthals and Sapiens coexisted for some time in the middle east and such.
>>10250299Oh was there? Do you have any proof at all?
>>10250296>interbreed with neanderthals>get none of the good stuff like super strength and night vision>receive the genes for increased risk of type 2 diabetes and schizophrenia instead
>>10250299Nevertheless, sounds stupid on its own. >>10250308Do not interrupt my conversation to be a retard. Shut up.
>>10250308I don't feel like digging through all the articles, but there were instances when Neanderthal remains were more recent than Sapiens in regions.>https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/when-neanderthals-replaced-us
>>10250330>Do you have proof?>How dare you interrupt me with that retarded comment!!!!>>10250348No I meant do you have any proof of any interspecific violence or competition between neanders and sapiens
>>10250296The lapedo child might have been a first generation hybrid based on the mosaic of modern and archaic traits. I don't understand why they haven't tried extracting DNA from it when they did that for a Neanderthal/Denisovan hybrid over three times older.
>>10250376Neanderthals were gone by 37 kya, Lapedo child is too recent at 24 kya to be a hybrid.
>>10250386Iberia was one of the regions where Neanderthals lasted the longest, early European modern humans didn't react Iberia until much later in their migration. Besides, if Denisovans can be proven to have survived past their disappearance in the visible fossil record via genetics, what's to say it can't be done for Neanderthals? >>10250020
>>10250354I was using "competition" in a rather loose sense. The first Sapiens migrations didn't replace the Eurasian homos, and Neanderthals sometimes replaced them in regions. This is the time frame the author places his dramatic conflict, supposing it's what led to the full development of modern form and behavior in Sapiens.>>10250330>Nevertheless, sounds stupid on its own.I read the whole book. While it has some interesting thoughts, it's hardly good science. It starts at its conclusion then works backwards. Basic summary, Archaic Sapiens looked and acted a lot more like Murder Gorillas early on, though less predatory, and their conflict transitioned the species into Modern Sapiens as they selected more heavily for the pre-existing features that distinguished their appearances such as thinner fur (as Neanderthals had thicker winter coats), more neotenous features, etc and developed behaviors to combat the Neanderthals. Then they also genocided other Sapiens groups that still looked more ape-like, thus completing the transformation.
Every paranthropus reconstruction I find makes them look like strongfat wrestlers from the neck down. I thought they were only supposed to be robust because of their skull, teeth and jaws. I never heard of them being known for robust bodies like Neanderthals. Are buff paranthropus interpretations even scientifically accurate?
>>10250434And so basically, humanity transitioned from Skhul-Qafzeh type apemen to more Cro-Magnon types by selecting against features that resembled Neanderthals, thus exaggerating the differences in their appearance. That's the theory, in short.
>>10250466Paranthropus has big jaws and sagittal crests like Gorillas, thus I can conclude they had Gorilla like builds. I guess that's the thought process behind that.
>>10250479paranthropus is nowhere near as strong and heavily built as a gorilla
>>10244220I cant breathe
>>10250466>>10250490>falling for (((homo))) lies
>>10247423wrong.>>10247297we know a lot from looking at well bred animals such as dogs and horses.His statement I bet is based on the Mule.Mules should all be destroyed as they mulattos of African (Donkeys) males and Eurasian (horses) females.>>10248193>Not Homo sapiens, you idiot. The genes for extremely dark brown skin were around 500,000 years ago. We already varied a lot in skin color before we left Africa.this is just demonstrably wrong.>>10248222dude! fuck off! lol no one actually likes the lockdown except for sois who feel like theyre doing a good thing by sucking off daddy gov.Look at how human HGs treat their elderly. They sometimes kill them, often leave them to the wayside if they can no longer contribute.The Lockdown was also sold on EVERYONE being vulnerable, not just the old.Neanderthals cared for their elderly to the point of carrying them, while living as semi- Nomadic HGs.Humans wouldnt even do that today.
>>10248991Lots. French, Swiss, North Italians have the most archaic human ancestry out of Afro-Monke men living in the Paleolithic or PapuanBVLLs who havent devolved into the modern world yet.
>>10249078>early modern humans>350kyaNot to mention its talking about shared Neanderthal/Denisovan haplotypes being displaced by a proto-Neanderthal/Human ancestor.Its not human at all.but keep seething homo.
>>10250466Paranthropus is well within the range of body build as Homo (BMI between 20-30), all of whom weren't built like Gorillas. Heck, Neanderthals seem to be more heavily built than boisei, which is supposedly the most robust Paranthropus species.
>>10250662>Neanderthals seem to be more heavily built than boiseiParanthropusbros...Why are we getting mogged by homo weaklings???
>>10249896Hexian H. erectus seems to differ substantially from Zhoukoudian H. erectus morphologically enough to be considered a separate population in another paleodeme. Penghu (H.tsaichangensis) seems to be related to the Hexian H. erectus morphotype, perhaps being descended from them.
>>10250605Neanderthals occasionally cannibalized the ones that were too weak to go on
>>10250605>WrongNo evidence, incelTake your rape fetish somewhere else and quit shitting up the board.
Can someone make a new paleoanthropology thread tomorrow
>>10250200>>10250177>>10250128You are now aware that Homo rhodesiensis might have hunted these poor bastards in Southern Africa.
>>10250259For about 5,000 years, yes. Then they went extinct.
>>10250401Sure would be cool if the last Neanderthals were getting summer tans in Spain before the Younger Dryas event froze Europe over. Again.
>>10250605>this is just demonstrably wrongNo, it isn't. The oldest hunter-gatherers still alive today (San, Hadza, Sandawe in Africa, Andamanese in South Asia) all have varying skin tones, ranging from light brown to extremely dark brown. Very dark skin isn't that recent.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/10/new-gene-variants-reveal-evolution-human-skin-color
>>10250322>>10250296>>10250376Depends on if Neanderthals were genetically exhausted when mixing.The humans who mixed with Neanderthals were mixing with a race that had degenerated over hundreds of generations already.
>>10250904If no one else does, I will
>>10250943I can't tell if that's a congenital deformity or preservation distortion on his nasal bridge.>>10250968And then the magdalenians arrive to replace them in Iberia.
>>10251006It's funny. Any sort of Homo erectus-like human was wiped out during several ice age events in Europe, while proto-Neanderthals may have adapted by hibernating (not the kind you're thinking of). But during their prime, Europe became a lot more temperate (not as much as today obviously), only for more Dryas periods to keep fucking it all up again.
>>10251064It's interesting to think how proto Neanderthals outcompeted and outlasted erectus-like/antecessor-like forms to became the only hominins in Europe only to have it happened in reverse to them hundreds of thousands years later at the hands of Modern humans.
>>10251064Neanderthals probably survived younger dryas tier events before but their numbers to too depleted after the arrival of EEMH pushing them into remote corners of Europe to recover from the last one.
>>10251107I doubt humans did any pushing at all. Neanderthals were contesting territory with animals that hunted humans to extinction in certain regions.Neanderthals degenerated then died off of natural causes.
>>10250979>modern humans >representative of archaic humans Dubious post for a dubious claim
>>10251064>>10251098I bet you they are still alive in some remote mountainous region where people don’t go far from their towns and cities.
>>10251264I think there's a good chance Neanderthals hung on longer in the Pyrenees when Modern humans displaced them. But denisovans seem to be the high altitude adapted human according to genetics. Whereas Neanderthals were cold adapted and built for ambush hunting.>>10251260The remaining Neanderthals in Iberia probably couldn't handle the stress of losing their large game prey items after the younger dryas.
>>10251262Homo sapiens didn't even exist 500,000 years ago, and yet, those genes are that old.
This thread is full of sapoid propaganda
>>10250950Poor little monkey boy.
>>10251367No wonder they went extinct
How long did it take for Neanderthals to disappear from cultural memory? Did cultures that partially show continuity with Aurignacian Europeans that coxisted with Neanderthals like Solutreans and Magdalenian have tales of strange stock manlets or were Neanderthals already gone from oral tradition by this point? Heck, how long did it take for other Archaic humans to disappear from cultural memory?
>>10251293Considering Neanderthals frequently intebred with Denisovans as a result of their large overlap in geographic range and territory it's not too far fetched they received the genes for surviving in low oxygen high altitude environments the same way we got that gene from Denisovans.
>>10251637They probably weren't remembered for long at all. Reminds me of how floresiensis may have inspired the orang pendak cryptid myth.
>>10251903Neanderthals had>high altitude resistance (from interbreeding with Denisovans)>superbreathing>enhanced vision>enhancee strength>hibernation/torpor state>woolly mammoth adipose tissue/fat storage genesHow come they got all the cool adaptations bros
>>10251934Sapiens has>high altitude resistance (from interbreeding with Denisovans)>starch digestion enyzmes>lactose tolerance>malaria resistance >enhanced endurance (longer legs mean longer strides fore more efficient long distance travel)>enhanced caloric efficiency (less food needed to stay alive)>enhanced linguistic capability/capacity for language (can make sounds Neanderthals can't)>enhanced climbing skills (Twa tribesmen can articulate their ankle on par with Chimps)>enhanced throwing ability (greater range of articulation in shoulder for throwing projectiles further)We have good adaptations too, and I don't I even listed all of them. You can find humans with things like tetrachromatic sight if you research this more. I'd argue our adaptations are more practical and ultimately more useful than Neanderthal ones since we survived and they didn't for a reason after all.
>>10251903>it's not too far fetched they received the genes for surviving in low oxygen high altitude environments the same way we got that gene from Denisovans.There is no evidence for this. They have the genomes for both species if neanderthals had that gene and got it from denisovans they would've known it by now.
>>10251982Humans had better language skills because their parietal lobes (essential for complex language processing) are larger and bulged out more
>>10252074Humans also had larger cerebellums which is also another area of the brain associated with linguistic skills and language processing.