How the fuck did this guy get elected to two terms as Governor of California, of all states?
>>10241992California was the bastion of Republicanism until the mid 90s.
>>10242008What the hell changed?>>10242004I don't think immigration explains it fully. White Californians alone are probably the most extreme leftist demographic in the country. Something happened which changed even the white populace of the state into far-leftists.
>>10242008California wasn't ever that red, they just tended to vote red for governors and presidents. Then the Republican party basically self-destructed over proposition 187 and lost its state wide viability. The Democrats, now without any serious political challenge from the right, were allowed to go as far left as they pleased.
California was a libertarian state in those days and during the Cold War it was home to a lot of the defense industry which constituted a major Republican voting block. After the Berlin Wall fell and defense jobs declined, the West Coast was lost to the GOP. San Francisco leftist baby boomers took over the reigns of power in the state from the 90s onward.
>>10242040California voted Republican in 23 of 34 presidential elections between 1856 and 1988. In ten elections it voted Democrat and once for a third party ticket. So I'd feel safe to say that pre-Clinton it was pretty safely red. Upton Sinclair was soundly beaten trying to run for governor in 1934.
Republicans stopped contesting the West Coast because they figured with the South moving securely into their orbit post-1960s, they could win without it.
>>10242066I used to agree with this take but after further research I don't think its true. Cali's electorate is essentially the same as Texas's. The difference is that Cali whites only vote 50% R while Texas whites vote 70% R. Honestly I think silicon valley and hollywood are more responsible.
>>10241992California was still based. What Texas is now is what California was 10 years before becoming faggoted.
>>10242126Well so does everyone else. I mean Cali's voting electorate is only 20% latino. Immigration defiantly hurt republicans there, but the fundamental issue is that california whites are more left wing.
>>10242118Texas is only 41% white. It’s a red state because of the 40% of spics there who vote Republican combined with the white GOP voters who vote overwhelmingly Republican. So actually it’s red because of brown people not white people.
>>10242118Texas culture is bigger on machismo than California's is. Hippie ideals are very alien to Texans.
>>10242148Having said that, California is a blue state primarily and entirely due to rich white people in the tech and entertainment industries.
Pete Wilson was the last "true" Republican governor of California, and he was elected as recent as the 90s. Not that long ago and yet it's impossible to imagine someone like that getting elected today in Cali.Schwarzenegger of course was successful more recently but he ran on a significantly more moderate platform. But even then it's hard to imagine his success being repeated in the current day. Californians seem to have developed an unshakeable opposition to the GOP in the past decade which makes the state a write-off for essentially any candidate running on a red ticket.
>>10242118>50% R while Texas whites vote 70% R.Jesus wtf is wrong with whitesI'm glad that their political power is waning
>>10242202Kek yea whites are fragile to the point of voting against their self-interest and principles because the blue party stopped depriving darkie's human rights. Good luck with those million dollar hospital bills
>>10242229>Bernout thinks he is actually gonna get something more than lip servicelol
>>10242086If Upton Sinclair ran for governor today he'd lose just as handily. You think Hollywood and Silicon Valley would be ok with electing a guy who wants to nationalize everything into Soviet collectives? No matter how many rainbow and BLM flags they upload on their Twitter feed none of them actually want to lose their money and property.
>>10242247>Whites created the idea of not just genociding everybodyHoly schizophrenia Whites were so evil and genocidal that they had to instruct themselves how to be decent humans and not complete psychopaths
>>10242140No I was looking at the data from 16 (2020 isn't out yet) and hispanics are like 23% or something. A lot of them are non citizens, under 18, or just don't vote.
>>10242148Idk, the red spics in texas help, but in 2018 senate they voted in line with national average (like 27% R) and Republicans still won (although it was closer).
>>10242298How about 2018 gubernatorial? That senate race was a fluke, Democrats got raped in every other 2018 Texas race and got their teeth kicked in last year.
>>10242313Yeah Ik. The point is even if the spics in texas don't vote more republican than average, R's can still squeak out a win due to their white vote share, which they can't do in Cali.
>>10242340All states do, they just seperate hispanic as an ethnicity, which is still only a quarter of the electorate. Like dude I hate beaners as much as you do but Cali's electoral problems are more complicated than just amnesty.
>>10242284must be weird being so wrong
>>10242187>Californians seem to have developed an unshakeable opposition to the GOP in the past decade whichTrump was pretty damn popular here whereas nobody gave a shit about Hillary or Biden. Sure, people loved Obama but then everyone across the nation did in 2008.
>>10241992You do realize California only turned blue because of excessive gerrymandering by Democrats and using many immigrants as possible, both legal or illegal, to change the demographic of the state just for the sake of political expediency right?
>>10242387Also true of Bush as nobody much cared for John Kerry either. Californians don't like elite East Coasters by and large.
>>10242443Well fuck them and their shitty Bear Republic
>>10242017It literally is immigration. There are parts of Southern California that are completely indistinguishable from Mexico. Regan granted amnesty to illegals and the state flipped blue.
>>10242476Reagan signed an amnesty measure. I don’t know why you would say he didn’t.
California was once good.
>>10242387>Trump was pretty damn popular here whereas nobody gave a shit about Hillary or BidenEither this is a lie or Californians are really that cucked
>>10242510He's right though. Why would a silver spoon New Englander like John Kerry be appealing to West Coasters?
>>10242158Austin looks like the exception
>>10242514actually Massachusetts presidential candidate is basically always the kiss of death. the one time it worked they needed a Texan to help get the vote out and it was decided by under 300k votes.
>>10242549>actually Massachusetts presidential candidate is basically always the kiss of deathWhy is that though? Serious question.
>>10242564Massholes have always been extremely pretentious and smug people since colonial times and are highly unmarketable to most of the rest of us. Yes, Calvin Coolidge was popular but he was really a Vermonter anyway.
>>10242564Nobody likes Ivy League, country club investment banking snobs.
>>10242017It's not just *foreign* migration, San Francisco becoming a gay mecca (plus gay rights becoming a partisan issue) and Silicon Valley tech workers also moved democrats in.
>>10242564Their elite class is more like Europe's traditional elite than anywhere else in the US. Rich Texas oilmen can still appeal to the common man, rich old Southern Wealth can still appeal to the common man, rich New York businessmen can still appeal to the common man, you get the picture. Massachusetts' elite might as well be 18th Century French Parisian noblemen trying to relate to farmers from Occitania.
>>10242647>rich New York businessmen can still appeal to the common manNot if they're Michael Bloomberg. (^:
>>10242197Religion. A lot of whites are evangelical Christians, and it's not a coincidence that the states where democrats win the white vote are also the most secular in the country.
>>10242066Hmm, that's actually a good argument for a popular vote system anon. Then reds in blues states and vice versa wouldn't have their voices worth nothing.
>>10241992Outside of the big cities and especially up north, California is rather conservative. Mojave is all cowboys for fucks sake.
Here's the six MA presidential candidates who've actually won electoral votes.>John AdamsWin election off his predecessor's coattails back when only property owning white males could vote, still only squeak by with 3 EVs, lose four years later to his more populist opponent.>John Quincy AdamsWin election with 33% of the vote because it got deadlocked and went into the House to be decided, lose big-time four years later to guy who killed a bunch of Brits and redskins.>Daniel WebsterWas only on the ballot in a few states, won just his home state. Walking stereotype of an elite New Englander.>JFKSee >>10242549. Also he was at least charismatic unlike all of these others.>Michael DukakisLose to (ironically) a carpetbagging New Englander in Texas, run with a Texas VP, still can't overcome his image as an elitist New Englander.>John KerryLose to son of carpetbagging New Englander in Texas, the ultimate smug, douchey walking stereotype of a Massachusetts richfag.>Mitt RomneyLooks like a stereotypical Gordon Gecko businessman, loses to dudeweed cool sort of but not really black opponent.
It's important to remember that Trump got more votes from California than any other state in 2020.... the issue is that he still lost the state by >5mil votes.
>>10242758Romney, unique among all of them, also shares the unfortunate distinction of not even being able to carry his own state.
>>10242775California is like the South in the 1910s where elections are essentially banana republic tier and set up to ensuring the ruling party never loses no matter how shitty and unpopular their candidates are. If they had a legitimate system, Bush would have probably won the state at least the second time and Trump quite possibly both times.
>>10242825He was also conveniently enough the only one who wasn't part of the majority party in the state when he ran for president.
hope this faggot is burning right now
>>10242017Jews. No one wants to say it but it’s Jews.
>>10242340Do they? All states did a while ago.
>>10242119Blacks vote blue because the GOP tolerates white nationalists.
>>10242140>differs from state to state.It doesn't, retard.
>>10242284I mean you're not wrong
>>10242775>Trump got more votes from California than any other state in 2020That's simply because California has the biggest population by far.
>>10241992>"These hippies have hair like Tarzan, dress line Jane and smell like Cheetah."
>>10241992Republicans unironically used to be left wing and Democrats used to be Right Wing. Kennedy and Carter both carried Texas and the entirety of the south.
>>10242017They aren't far leftists though, they're still by far mostly liberals. You go to San Fransisco and look around a bit you'll see shit like anti-homeless furniture (spikes, boulders) painted rainbow colors and shit tons of homeless people around regardless. They're all fairly wealthy white liberals demanding radical purely social change while taking as little from their wallet as possible. They aren't leftists, they're just retarded boomer liberals.
>>10245168>>10242246They're not really Marxists or leftists, they're bourgeois who want to normalize their degenerate behaviors.
>>10242387>Trump was pretty damn popular here whereas nobody gave a shit about Hillary or Bidenthe latter two won the state by >60% of the vote
>>10246886Was covered in >>10242841 and I live in this state and realize just what a favela it truly is.
>>10242246Sinclair was proto-demsoc not a Sovietaboo you dipshit
>>10245161Um, no they didn't.
>>10241992By not being Trump. Bwahahaha!
>>10246939>NOOOOOO PEOPLE CAN'T JUST DISAGREE WITH ME AND VOTE FOR CANDIDATES I DON'T LIKE>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>10242657yes and you saw how far he got in somewhere that was not jew york
>>10241992California used to be mostly White Protestant Republican. It's reputation as "Gay college student leftists" is a recent development.
>>10242040>California>far leftYou're really oversimplifing things here
I think another thing that is not taken into account for left voting whites is the amount of transplants that move here. Most transplants are lefties to begin with and carry their politics with them. Here in LA, we are relatively more conservative than the Bay area, but mostly all the people that live in the Hollywood Hills to Laurel Canyon to Pacific Palisades are wealthy but vote liberal, but it's a combination of Jews and film industry people. I'm not sure what the politics of the Palos Verdes Peninsula is though, since those guys down there are the actual rich people of LA.
>>10242754>Outside of 80 % of the population, California is rather conservativeWhy are you retards like this? If you remove Paris or London from their respective countries, there's no France or England standing anymore!
>>10249356>Here in LA, we are relatively more conservative than the Bay areaI know. NorCal has always been more left-leaning than SoCal, it's closer to Oregon and Washington politically and culturally.
>>10249356>but mostly all the people that live in the Hollywood Hills to Laurel Canyon to Pacific Palisades are wealthy but vote liberal, but it's a combination of Jews and film industry peopleUsed to be that they leaned heavily Republican, it was only since Clinton that...
Republicans just stopped seriously contesting the state in presidential elections by the 90s because they realized the South and Midwest were enough to win most of the time. And now the Rust Belt is becoming a Republican-dominated region for the first time since the 1920s so there's still very little reason to bother with California.
>>10241992He's that TV guy! Boy it sure would be neat to see him in office!
>>10241992Didn't the GOP have a large centrist/liberal faction that persisted until 1980? Reagan was much more liberal in 1966 than he was when he was president, given his amnesty and no fault divorce while governor.
>>10250441>Reagan was much more liberal in 1966 thanBeg pardon? In 1966 he was a fringe Goldwaterite libertarian who wanted to dismantle Social Security.
>>10250463Wasn't the backbone of the party still New Dealers and organized labor?
>>10241992"Muh demographics"Fucking retards. The GOP would have much more success nationwide if they didn't keep alienating Hispanics as much as they have. Economically, all the GOP has to do is keep on their common man rhetoric and expose the Democrats on their woke PC bullshit. Whenever the GOP tries to win over minorities, they fuck up constantly. After Hoover lied to the black population about rebuilding after the Mississippi flood, they switched parties; When the GOP in California pushed Prop 187, it killed any chance of a white-hispanic coalition in that state.
>>10250509This is not true
>>10250504>Economically, all the GOP has to do is keep on their common man rhetoric and expose the Democrats on their woke PC bullshit.Trump tried, too bad most of the party consists of guys who think Mitt Romney is the ideal one must aspire to. You can lead the horse to the well but you can't necessarily make him drink from it.
>>10250504>When the GOP in California pushed Prop 187, it killed any chance of a white-hispanic coalition in that state."After all, in Latino Voices, a compilation of Latino National Political Survey data revealing panethnic perspectives on a variety of political issues, 75.2% of Mexican Americans interviewed agreed that there were "too many immigrants." In fact, the percentage of Mexican Americans agreeing that there were too many immigrants was higher than that of Anglos (73.8% ) (de la Garza et. al.,1992: 101).2 "http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/pub/eres/BLPR102_PIMENTEL/latinos187.html
>>10242841If democrats lose California then they're fucked for ever
>>10250576Nah the electoral map always balances out. Losing the South starting in the 60s obviously didn't doom them.
>>10250576good thing the gap has been widening for the last 3 decades
>>10242004>The last fart of conservative Californ-
>>10241992Believe it or not, once upon a time California was a state in which humans lived.
>>10250606>>10250613>>10250629Jesus, I was just making a pointAlso if you think a state can forever stay one party let me introduce you to the Solid Blue South
>>10250644Love it, makes me think of LA Noire as well
>>10241992Calinigs elect people they've seen in movies.It doesn't help that California has a lot of Low IQ immigrants like Latinos and Filipinos who literally vote people just because they're famous. Look at the Philippines where they elected a dumb fucking champion boxer as a senator despite the fact that said cunt didn't even finish high school.
>>10250651>Also if you think a state can forever stay one party let me introduce you to the Solid Blue SouthEven then the South got that way due to fraud and voter intimidation so it was next to impossible for anyone to even register as a Republican there.
>>10242548What caused people to become like this?
>>10250677>Implying the North didn't do the exact same thing when both sides were a single issue partyAll possibility of rational discussion ended here.
>>10250647Trumpers resemble Nazis more then traditional conservatives.
>>10250644What were the Perfect ethereal beings whites doing as its steward?
>>10250767>Trumpers resemble Nazis more then traditional conservatives.Man the retarded shit that comes out of the mouths of progressives.>What were the Perfect ethereal beings whites doing as its steward?Que?
>>10244966This is absolutely false.Just look at the history. Even Jimmy Carter was still a "Southern Democrat" with the racist white voting bloc behind him.Blacks all vote Dem because acting as a coherent voting bloc gives them more representation. It doesn't matter if the Republican Party bends over backwards for blacks, they will still vote Dem.Any attempt to appeal black voters is basically seen as a "divide and conquer" strategy against the black community.Thus it has essentially become a meta strategy for them. Similar to why America has a two party system.
>>10242540>Austin looks like the exceptionTexas will be blue in 10 years.
>>10242387>Trump was pretty damn popular hereWhere? Maybe some of the wealthier areas of LA and maybe parts of central Valley. Even Orange County went blue both in 2016 and 2020 which is extremely telling as it usually goes red and is one of the richest counties in all of the U.S. Trump being popular here certainly wasn't my experience outside some upper middle class wealthier types I know.
>>10251037Maybe ten years ago this would be true, the black vote is trending more red since Trump perhaps because they're finally starting to realize that voting based on a Democrat president signing civil rights legislation almost 60 years ago doesn't have much relevance in the 21st century.
>>10251084>Maybe some of the wealthier areas of LA and maybe parts of central ValleyPretty sure all the richfag in CA are Democrats.
>>10251084Oh that's easy. Orange County is full of manicured country club types who might go for a Mitt Romney but simply didn't connect with Trump's working class platform.
>>10251120>Trump>Working ClassMost of the working class people I know in OC didn't support Trump. The wealthier people I know in Newport, Laguna, and Irvine did though. Maybe the lower classes in north OC and Santa Ana just outvoted the rest?
>>10242040As far left as center-right sure.
>>10251138>Most of the working class people I know in OC didn't support TrumpThat's because they're all illegal wetback gardeners and toilet cleaners he wants to deport. (^:
>>10251148>he wants to deportSo why did Obama deport more illegals than Trump then?
>>10250739Have you thought about calling social services on her?This sounds fucked up enough to get her into involuntary treatment.
>>10242229I have literally never paid a hospital bill in my life outside of co-pay. Want to know how much it has affected my credit?
>>10251138they all Bernouts is why
>>10251091>>10251037the Democrat Party is increasingly becoming a party of gentrified richfags like the Federalists were back in the day and gradually losing what used to be the working class/union vote.
>>10242086lol that's because california was white
>>10250025In some parts of the state you can't vote Republican if you want to. Republican candidates aren't even on the ballot in Marin County and you wouldn't want anyone to know you're a Republican there anyway. You'd probably have your car vandalized or some gay dude smears a poop-covered dildo from his prolapsed butthole on the windshield. It's disturbingly like the South circa 1910.
>>10251535>It's disturbingly like the South circa 1910.1870s* I don't know where you tards get this bullshit but the south was not like this past the 1900's
>>10251535this is a load of barnacles.jpg
>>10242841>If they had a legitimate system, Bush would have probably won the state at least the second time and Trump quite possibly both times.Explain. What about the system is not "legitimate"? Are you seriously implying that California is secretly comprised of majority hardcore conservatives and that they have somehow been "rigged" out of winning the state? I'm genuinely interested to hear your argument here.
>>10251535Republimutts want so desperately to be oppressed they make shit like this up
>>10242758>>10242514>>10242443Why is John Kerry so unlikable for Americans? He seems pretty charismatic to me, but I'm not American.
>>10257028Douchebag rich New Englander who looked like Lurch from the Adaams Family.>>10254973Since the late 80s-early 90s, Democrats effectively used gerrymandering, busing around illegal immigrants to polling places, and other measures to ensure their political dominance of the state. Most likely it would be a swing state if this didn't happen.
>>10254973>comprised of majority hardcore conservativesWhat does that even mean though?
>>10257081what is it about rich New Englanders that makes them unlikable? Do they a different accent? Is it their mannerisms? John Kerry seems like an average American to me. Do people dislike him because of his background?
>>10257100not him but the West Coast was always a libertarian-oriented region. the recent turn to leftist Democrat totalitarianism is an unusual development. by "hardcore conservative" you're more likely to mean a state like Oklahoma.
>>10241992Amnesty Act of 1986 made California blue.
>>10257140A common myth
>>10257140Actually the answer was >>10242051 five posts into the thread. I think also the end of the Cold War caused the increased divisive partisanship in American politics in the 90s because the two parties no longer had a common external enemy to be united against.
>>10257153>Actually the answer was >>10242051Proof?
>>10251091The only black votes Trump got were from black Republicans and Hoteps.Trump was very good for the Hoteps, they gained a lot of followers because he represented every negative trait of the white man and gave credence to their philosophy.
>>10257198During the entire Cold War, the state voted Democrat in just two elections (1948 and 1964). After the fall of communism and scaling back of defense sector jobs in the state, it has not voted Republican in a presidential election since. This was true to a large extent in Washington and Oregon as well. The two were mostly red states throughout the Cold War period, though they flipped blue in 88, one election cycle earlier than California.
>>10257221I don't think that's right
>>10257292He's right though. Washington and Oregon voted Republican in 7 of 11 presidential elections from 1948 to 88, California in 9 of them.
>>10242049Seems like it's this. Didn't Arnie get two terms? The fact that he even got one is enough to demonstrate the principle.