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Let me tell you a story about the one of the biggest shit shows on the Eastern Front
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>Be Alexander Marinesko
>Soviet S13 submarine commander during WW2
>a notorious drunk and whoremonger
>his conduct gets him court martialed and only way for atonement is trough heroism in battle
>January 30, 1945 he spots a German ship
>it's MV Wilhelm Gustloff
>crowded with over 10 000 German soldiers and refugees fleeing East Prussia
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>over 9k dead with one torpedo
amazing. It's more than germans deserve.
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scene on Wilhelm Gustloff:

>multiple captains on board
>Merchant navy captain Fredrich Petersen is in charge and insists on taking linear course in deep waters
>veteran U-boat captain Wilhelm Zahn is opposed, advising zig-zag course in shallow waters with lights turned off
>Petersen agrees to take zig-zag course but turns on navigation lights fearful of collision with incoming German minesweepers
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>>10240126
it was 3 torpedoes, technically
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>>10240136
shut up nerd
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>>10240120
Cap Arcona was worse
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>>10240122

skip to Soviet submarine:

>Alexander Marinesko spots a huge slow ships with navigation lights turned on
>easy_target.jpg
>immediately orders torpedoes fired
>First torpedo nicknamed "for the Motherland"
>direct hit on port side
>Second "for Leningrad"
> hit on ship's drained swimming pool, dislodging the pool tiles at high velocity, ceramic shrapnel instantly kills hundreds of people stationed at swimming pool.
>Third "for the Soviet people"
> direct hit on the engine room, disabling all power and communications.
>Fourth "for Stalin" *gets jammed in torpedo tubes*
>oh_shit.jpg
>has to be disarmed
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>>10240120
>incoming ships were able to rescue 1252 of the survivors
> 9,343 men, women and children drowned in freezing water
>all four captains from Wilhelm Gustloff survived
>Marinesko deemed unfit for the Hero of the SU medal
>later ended up in prison for embezelment
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>>10240120

Honestly the only reasons the sinking of the Gustloff and subsequent vandalizing of the wreck didn't blow up in the Soviets' faces were the death toll being overshadowed by Dresden mere weeks later and Stalin having the foresight to have Marinesko sacked on completely unrelated charges rather than make a hero out of him.
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>>10240144
the torpedo labeled "for Stalin" jamming in the tube is the most heavy handed symbolism I've ever seen. Who writes this shit?
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>>10240158
The Gustloff should've been marked as a hospital ship, but it was not. It had AA guns, and for all they knew was purely a troop transport.
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>>10240158
true dat
>Cap Arcona's final use was as a prison ship. In May 1945 she was heavily laden with prisoners from Nazi concentration camps when the Royal Air Force (the pilots not knowing of the nature of her passengers) bombed her, killing about 5,000 people; with more than 2,000 further casualties in the sinkings of the accompanying vessels of the prison fleet, Deutschland and Thielbek. This was one of the largest single-incident maritime losses of life in the Second World War.
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>>10240186
>The last word is that the RAF has sealed all records connected with the attack on the Cap Arcona until 2045.
inb4 they actually knew what the ship was
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>>10240208
I highly doubt it I think it just the eternal Anglo being the eternal anglo
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>>10240184
>It had AA guns, and for all they knew was purely a troop transport.

They should have been able to inference it from the fact that virtually everyone in East Prussia was fleeing the Soviet advance but yeah, that's why the sinking is classified as a "legitimate" act of war rather than a heinous crime and was allowed to be swept under the rug. Unlike most /pol/tard accounts of Allied atrocities, this one actually was the subject of an extensive coverup
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>>10240150
You forgot the best part about the T-36 torpedo boat coming to rescue the survivors and dropping depth charges killing dozens of survivors.
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>>10240282
I don't think that holds up though. Usually civilian and hospital ships are marked, this one was not. Just because people were fleeing East Prussia doesn't mean this particular ship with no markings and military weapony aboard was not filled with the remnants of a Wehrmacht division as opposed to civilians. They had to make a decision, and they made it.
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>>10240226
>I highly doubt it I think it just the eternal Anglo being the eternal anglo
So them NOT knowing what the ship was carrying and therefore not being malicious in its destruction?
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>>10240186
>>10240351

lmao I actually came up with a subplot of the pregnant Anne Frank timeline where the Confederate Navy sends a detachment of UDTs (Underwater Demolition Team) to seize the Cap Arcona, thinking that they'll capture the SS leadership, in an attempt to one-up the British.

[spoiler]It turns into a total shitshow that results in the rescue of the prisoners, Confederate fighter jets and British Typhoons dueling it out in the skies, the city of Lübeck being burned to the ground and thousands of German civilians being killed in the process.
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>>10240351
Yes,they couldn't have known who was on the ship considering the prisoners were belowdeck.
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Who gives a shit? Germans never once considered the lives of Soviet civilians, why would the Soviets care for theirs?
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>>10240425

Obviously the Soviets did because they decided the bad PR was not worth the celebration of the sinking and they did everything they could to make sure it was forgotten
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>>10240425
Maybe because they didn't sign the geneva convention?
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>>10240445
>Maybe because they didn't sign the geneva convention?

Germany did though.
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Butthurt wehraboos seething that Marinesko did nothing wrong
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>>10240399
God this makes me hard
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>>10240120
Disaster researcher Heinz Schön concludes that the liner was a military target and its sinking was not a war crime, as:
ships intended for the transport of refugees, hospital ships had to be marked with the appropriate signs - a red cross, could not wear camouflage colors, could not go in the same convoy with military ships. They could not carry any military cargo, stationary and temporarily placed air defense weapons, artillery pieces or other similar means on board.
"Wilhelm Gustloff" was a warship, being assigned to the naval forces and armed, which was allowed to climb six thousand refugees. All responsibility for their lives, from the moment they boarded the warship, lay with the respective officials of the German navy. Thus, "Gustloff" was a legitimate military target of Soviet submariners, in view of the following facts:
"Wilhelm Gustloff" was not an unarmed civilian ship: it had weapons on board that could fight enemy ships and aircraft;
"Wilhelm Gustloff" was a training floating base for the German submarine fleet;
"Wilhelm Gustloff" accompanied by a German naval battleship (the Lev destroyer);
Soviet transports with refugees and wounded during the war years repeatedly became targets for German submarines and aviation (in particular, motor ship "Armenia", sunk in 1941 in the Black Sea, carried more than 5 thousand refugees and wounded on board. Only 8 people survived. However, "Armenia", like "Wilhelm Gustloff", violated the status of a medical vessel and was a legitimate military target).
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>>10240455
Sure didn't act like it during the war
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A pity, but it was war.
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>>10240509
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>>10241758
creepy post
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>>10240399
You sound like a fag and your shit's all retarded
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NOOOOOO, EVEN THOUGH WE MASSACRED AND SLAUGHTERED OUR WAY THROUGH THE EAST YOU CANT SINK OUR SHIPERINO!!! WHAT ABOUT THE HECKING CIVILIANS(even though we slaughtered yours)
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>>10242179
why is the russian using a c96?
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>>10242367
>c96
stole it off a dead chink
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>>10241781
sometimes he will literally reply to himself to make it look like he is having an actual conversation. he's been doing this for years, it's very sad desu
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>>10240158
>No sign or note its carrying civvies
>Soldiers and weapons on board
>Escorted
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>boat sinking
>don't jump off
>don't swim out a porthole
>don't swim out the missile hole
>over 10k people do this
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>>10242398
>sometimes he will literally reply to himself to make it look like he is having an actual conversation. he's been doing this for years, it's very sad desu
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>>10242179
>WHAT ABOUT THE HECKING CIVILIANS
There is no way the Soviets could know they were civilians. Wilhelm Gustloff was armed and dangerous. Nothing indicated that it was a hospital ship evacuating refugees. To any outsider, it was another German warship.
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>>10240122
>Alexander Marinesko
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>>10240144
>For the Motherland!
>*BOOOM*
>For Leningrad!
>*BOOOM*
>For the Soviet people!
>*BOOOM*
Kino
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>killing women and children is based because a bunch of drunk war criminals under the leadership of a pedophile burned down villages in belarus and poland
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>>10243782
>>10243982
>Alexander Marinesko's diving cruise to the bottom of the Baltic sea. Sponsored by Soviet Navy

This needs to become a meme
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>>10243997
1. It was far more systematic than just Dirlewanger and everybody knows it.
2. It's based because technically it wasn't even a war crime, go cry about it.
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>>10242676
It's the baltic sea, in january, at night nigga, where you gonna swim to, and you're just some pleb onboard, you don't even know how far the coast is
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>>10242676
>Jump
An option of last resort. The worst place you want to be during a sinking, besides trapped in an elevator with the power failed, is in the water. Especially the freezing waters of the Mid-January Baltic sea. Most victims of the Titanic didn't drown, they froze to death, and it took minutes. Water is always colder than you think. If you jump, you better hope there's a nearby lifeboat to climb into.

>Porthole
They're not really that wide.

>Explosion hole
Not the first option our monkey brains would think of, especially with the above advice to stay out of the water. Besides, you'd probably have to swim through the ship in near total darkness, and you might take a wrong turn and be lost. Or you get snagged on a piece of twisted ship from the explosion and pulled beneath.
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>>10240186
>RAF Pilot Allan Wyse of No. 193 Squadron recalled, "We used our cannon fire at the chaps in the water... we shot them up with 20 mm cannons in the water. Horrible thing, but we were told to do it and we did it. That's war."[32]
For what purpose?
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>>10244523
anglos truly are brainless hylic automatons.
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>>10243997
Yes.



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