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Friendly reminder that Aztecs :
>had city states, like Greeks but without the gay sex
>had gods that required blood sacrifice to stay alive
>ate bell pepper for breakfast and probably shat fire
>had 351 recipes based on maize, could probably make buildings out of maize if they could
>made artificial island to grow more maize
>found out how to use limewater to improve their corn, which requires very advanced chemistry knowledge
>invented the Purge to regulate their population and feed their gods way before Hollywood stole the concept and made shit movies out of them
>had death whistles, that I use on my neighbours to keep them up at night whenever they fuck too loudly
>had no ore, no blacksmith, and therefore waged war by picking up obsidian and making saw out of them
>had the best music instruments of all time
>are criminially underrepresented in movies and video games
>are sadly mixed up with Olmecs, Incans, Mayas, Toltecs, Tsalamatecs, and other faggots
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>>10206144
I unironically loved Mesoamerican history until I discovered this board
Now I want the Lord to rain fire and brimstone on the entirety of the Americas
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>>10206153
Cope harder you miserable turd worlder.
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>had no ore, no blacksmith, and therefore waged war by picking up obsidian and making saw out of them

Im sorry, is this supposed to be a good thing? Because you’re presenting it like it’s a good thing.
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>>10206144
Oh no, mesobros! How can we handle this?
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>>10206144
>>had death whistles, that I use on my neighbours to keep them up at night whenever they fuck too loudly
okay I need a source
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>>10206144
>are sadly mixed up with...Incans
Incans were far more advanced than the Aztecs
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>>10206646
Incans had a curious writing system of woven threads, the aztec and maya at least had fucking writing
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>>10206144
I thought they had very basic bronze and gold smithing
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>>10206144
Do you not know what a bell pepper is?
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>>10206595
I need this now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sw0VCtZs-g
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>>10206144
Based and razapilled.
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>>10206144
Shame they couldn't beat the Spanish. Easily the coolest in America
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>>10207298
I mean the Spanish got lucky as hell with various Meso-American city states allying with them against the Aztecs.
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>>10206144
>had the best music instruments of all time
best how?
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>>10207345
Considering how the Aztecs behaved it's not luck that the Spanish were able to gain the help of every neighbouring tribe, it was only a matter of time.
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>>10207345
why didn't anyone do that before the Spanish did it, then?
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>>10206526
It's good because it's a big handicap, but it didn't stop them.
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>>10207389
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>10206947
Why does she have horns?
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>>10207739
????
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>>10207742
https://youtu.be/i2WepRdaYLs?t=278
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>>10207742
https://youtu.be/I9QuO09z-SI

Best instrument ever.
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>>10207741
satanist
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>>10206774
Very basic smithing, then. My bad.
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>>10206852
Nope. I mistake all the peppers. The bell peppers are the small red one that burn you, right?
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>>10206144
>video games
18+ website
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>>10206144
Muh stone weapons using wheel-less sail-less paddle powered canoe using hunan sacrificing kangz were so much cooler than the ancient Greeks because they had veeeeegetables!!!!

Ok you’re... dumb. To say the least.
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Imagine believing Spanish propaganda that Aztecs were retards.
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>>10207817
Anyone is cooler than the ancient Gay-reeks. Seethe harder fag.
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>>10207832
Don't feed it attention, you'll only encourage it to shitpost more.
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>>10206144
>had city states, like Greeks but without the gay sex

Yes, though city-states go back in Mesoamerica much, much earlier then the Aztec: the Zapotec city of Monte Alban is often cited to be the first formal political state in Mesoamerica as of 500BC, 2000 years prior to the Aztec being a major thing, and by some definitions/arguements, the earlier Omec La Venta (900BC) or San Lorenzo (1400BC) sites would qualify, with writing also goiing back to 900BC and San Lorenzo haivng rulers, class systems, large scale archecture, etc.

>ate bell pepper for breakfast and probably shat fire
IIRC the most common breakfast thing was Atole.

>made artificial island to grow more maize
Chinampas were used for more then just maize: Crop growing of all kind in general, making more land for construction of buildings, etc. It also may predate the Aztec though i'm not sure of that.

>found out how to use limewater to improve their corn,hich requires very advanced chemistry knowledge
Nixtamalization ABSOLUTELY predates the Aztec, at least to around San Lorenzo's heyday if not earlier.

And you don't need particularly complex chemistry to figure out something like that by chance, it's not like the Aztec had a working knowledge of molecules or states of matter or anything...

...they DID, however, have a highly developed set of medical and especially botanical science, with botanical gardens where plants were bred and tested for medical and other properties, sorted into formal taxonomic systems, and had a variety of model medical procudres europe wouldn't adopt for centuies.

>invented the Purge to regulate their population
The sacrifice overpopulation theory is bunk. I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head, since I haven't dug up the sources for it in a while, but IIRC the Valley of Mexico wasn't even close to at it's carrying capacity yet, I believe only halfway there.

1/?
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>>10208260
>IIRC the most common breakfast thing was Atole.
Yeah, I read about it. Maize grounded into water (or milk) to make some caloric drink. Apparently very tasty, sometimes salty, sometimes sweet. Sounds delish!

>And you don't need particularly complex chemistry to figure out something like that by chance
I don't know, I tried to read about limewater, it isn't exactly simple. It's not "pick these plants and let them dip", it's a bit more complicated than that, and I find it really, genuinely impressive that they figured that out. The fact that it predates the Aztecs only impresses me more.

>The sacrifice overpopulation theory is bunk
Yeah, but that part was added for drama. They still had a religion based on feeding gods, through some versions I read say that sacrificed victims don't only feed the gods, but their souls also serve them.
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>>10208260
cont:

>had death whistles, that I use on my neighbours to keep them up at night whenever they fuck too loudly

Death whistles are a tourist thing AFAIK. There are some whistles found, but they don't make screaming noises (more like wind blowing) nor were they used in battle for intimidation as reported, though other sound making devices and techniques were used for iniitadtion in battle.

I have seen ONE potentially promising source about whistels making screaming sounds, but I haven't checked it yet an evberywh else I've looked inciates it's BS

>had no ore, no blacksmith
The Mesoamericans smelted gold, silver, copper, and tin and arsensical bronzes.

>Tsalamatecs
???

>>10206153
Why?

>>10206595
>>10206947
see above

>>10206774
They did,though "basic" is underselling it, they had some pretty developed techniques, they just didn';t use it for weapons or tools much

>>10207478
>>10207345
>>10207298
>>10207482
>Considering how the Aztecs behaved it's not luck that the Spanish were able to gain the help of every neighbouring tribe, it was only a matter of time.

Aztec rule, like most large Mesoamerican city-states, was actually fair hands off, and subjects generally kept their rulers, laws, and customs as long as they paid up in taxes of economic goods and other basic obligations. (sacrifices weren't demanded as tribute).

The Spanish got allies not because Aztec rule was oppressive, but the opposite: the hands off political system meant that subjects retained effective indepedence and political interests, and if one stayed indpedent as a subject, one had nothing to lose by pleding yourself to another state to help them take down the current top dog, at which point you'd be in a position of higher standing in the new kingdom you helped prop up

2/?
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>>10208296
>Death whistles are a tourist thing AFAIK
...oh. Well that's disheartening.

>The Mesoamericans smelted gold, silver, copper, and tin and arsensical bronzes
But no iron or bronze.
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>>10208296
>>10207478
>>10207345
>>10207298
>>10207482
cont:

Opporutnistc rebellions and secessions like that were very common, and that's what was largely going on that allowed the Spanish to get allies: Note how all the states that particpated in the siege of Tenochtitlan, bar Tlaxcala (which wasn't even an aztec subject, but an indepedent state the aztec empire had been blockading and invading for years) only joined Cortes AFTER Moctezuma II's death and the outbreak of smallpox in Tenochtitlan among other things, AFTER it was vulenerable.

You also see tons of other, non aztec states allying with conquistadors to take ouit their political rivals in subsquent campaigns over the next few decades, too.

See:

- This about Mesoamerican political systems and how/why it allowed the Conquistadores to gain allies: pastebin.com/VqW97h93 (this link is busted RN but you can get it via the waybackmachine)
- These delving into why the Conquest of Mexico as a whole was a lot more luck based and contigent on early flukes enabling subsequent exponential snowballing desuarchive.org/his/thread/5526254/#5526329 and archived.moe/v/thread/441551507/#441565260
- Like the above more but moreso focus on Cortes speffically: pastebin.com/9vrEi1aE
- like the above, but moreso focused on the disease element: desuarchive.org/his/thread/8187886/#8189822
- Like the above, but more specifically on what the Aztec would need to do to "win"/only get indirectly imperialized: desuarchive.org/his/thread/9543560/#9549778 (this is probably the most relevant one

see also my base resource directory for Mesoamerican stuff pastebin.com/p42q14Ff, and pic related, which is th conquest section of my WIP mesoamerican reading chart I and some other people are working on

3/?
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>>10208317
>>10207478
>>10207345
>>10207298
>>10207482
>why didn't anyone do that before the Spanish did it, then?

as I note above, that 's a little incorrect,: subjects DID often try to rebel against the aztec or secede when the Aztec empire's influence waned, and really only tlaxcala joined the conquistadors out of hate for the Aztec (others incidentally may have had greivences, especially Huetozinco/zingo and Texcoco, but even they only joined after Tenochtitlan was crippled), but:

1. While the conquistadors were vastly outnumbered by the armies of medium to large Mesoamerican cities, and couldn't hope to overcome them alone, they still had superior military tech and the Tlaxcaltec recgonized them as potential useful allies to change the tides

2. Tlaxcala was on it's last legs and would have fallen to Aztec invasions within a year or so anyways, they had nothing to lose to try allying with them and assaulting tenochtitlan

3. Perhaps most imporantly, The appearance of a strange, foreign force that claimed to represent and unknown king and empire gained the interest and curisotiy of Mesoamerican kings, icmluding Moctezuma II, and Cortes and co being around therefore gave the tlaxcaltec an opportunity to get close to Tenochtitlan they would not have otherwise had, via accompanying him (Moctezuma straight up allowed Cortes and his men and such inside the city)

4. Once smallpox broke out and Moctezuma II died, things that woud have otherwise not happened had the conquistadors sahowed up, the geopolitical status quo shifted and Tenochtitlan was viewed as a prime target to take down to further their own ambitions by other ruling cities in the Aztec empire like Texcoco or key subjects like Xochimilco, Chalco, etc.

4/?
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>>10208342
cont:

>>10207817
Getting into a pissing contests is dumb, but I could just as easily shit on the greeks for not having formal taxonomy or as developed medicine or sanitation as you can shit on the Aztec for using stone and not having wheels.

You're also, you know, overlooking their cities , water mangement and hydrlauic systems, political and legal systems,. their poetry and philsophy (see pic) etc

>>10208310
>...oh. Well that's disheartening.
As I said, there is one potentially source I wanna look into more, but i'm about to sleep and don't hgave time to explain that, if you really care you can email me at saintseiyasource@gmail.com, but I can't garuntee I'll reply anytjime soon

>But no iron or bronze.
I mean, I said bronze, but no iron, yes

5/5 for now
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>>10208296
But what bout the small clay skull whistles found with the headless bodies aztec anon? :(
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>>10208358
I'm tempted to, but frankly, hearing that about the death whistles is really disheartening.
I'm still curious about Aztec culture, I'm just bummed that death whistles are a tourist trap. I ordered one, you know, and it bothers me that I'll get a "fake" one. And also that every discussion about them seem to immediately turn into how they fell. I wanna know how they lived, what they ate, what music they listened to. I don't want to hear how they were wiped from history.

>I mean, I said bronze, but no iron, yes
Yeah, I missed the part about arsenicated bronze. But apparently bronze is fairly easy to smelt, and doesn't require a high temperature, unlike iron.
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This is still the best documentary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCt3_WB38hU
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>>10208374
i'm litterally gfalling alsepe at my keyboard, but check out my resource directory in >>10208317: there's tons of dumps i've done, links to an art and book drive (though both need to be updated), further links for more resources, etc.

there will for sure be stuff you'd be into there
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>>10208414
I'll definitely check it out.
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>>10208414
>captial
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>>10208414
>pastebin is blocked at work
There goes my hope to watch something fun.
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>>10208842
serves you right for contributing to society
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>>10206272
Mexikang wewuzer
>>10206153
I agree but don’t feed these insecure idiots, they’ll just insult you and ignore any rational argument or at best bury you with copypasted walls of text
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>>10208850
I'll just read a Wikipedia article about Aztec cuisine or something. All the documentaries l can find are about conquistadores.
>working in retail
Can l rip my customers' hearts and skin off for Xipe Totec?
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>>10206144
They were pretty nice lads
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>>10209014
They had the best pajama parties.
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>>10209073
Only the persians could match them
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>>10209139
>bows and javelins
Weird, I always though bows ended up replacing javelins, it's weird to see them both at once.
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>>10209173
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any nahuatl language books recommendations?
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>>10209405
Didn't Roman hated bows?
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>>10209437
prefered pilum.
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>>10206144
where's the fucking proof that the mesoamericans had mathematical works comparable to euclids elements or written, epics or philosophical treatises of the same level of complexity and enduring influence as the illiad or the works of aristotle? where's the fucking proof of any of this?
>it was burned!
how fucking goddamn convenient, so you leftist pieces of shit can just freely claim that the mesoamericans had intellectual traditions superior to europe with absolutely zero proof.
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>>10210054
meds
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>>10210054
You'll never be a woman.
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>>10209437
no
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>>10210201
They bring up a good question though, why do trannies live rent free in your head?
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>>10210201
>losing control and becoming emotional and irrational
Take your meds, you're having a tantrum.
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>>10208358
Damn just gotta say I appreciate all this, and will definitely look into those books you posted.
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>>10209173
That's just not how things work.
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>>10209437
why would they hate bows
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>>10210054
>look at history in an objective way
>leftist

MAGA!!!!!
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>>10210213
cause they come here to spam marxist propaganda on 4chan. luckily they're mentally unstable to the point where when you tell one of them to kys, they might very well end up doing it.
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>>10210247
zero proof or reason to belive there ever existing something equivalent to the works of aristotle or euclid in mesoamerica prior to colonization tranny.
COPE
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>>10210252
>>>/pol/

Go be mad about trannies somewhere else retard
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>>10210247
Typical loser at work. Ignore and report him.
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>leftists are fragile to the point they start crying for the mods to protect their feels when you dispute their absurd fantasies of mesoamerican superiority
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>>10210261
who said there was?
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>retard brings up politics
>whines when he get torn to pieces
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>>10210308
leftists claim this constantly.
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>>10210333
go to the threads where they do so and sperg there instead then
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>>10210348
But he'd have less (You).
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Tlaloc is monitoring this thread
btw what the fuck happened with the lake I made
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>>10210348
it's here.
we're discussing the mesoamericans.
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>>10210371
All recent posts are so low iq I wouldn't call it much of a discussion
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>>10210371
who said anything about something equivalent to the works of aristotle or euclid in mesoamerica prior to colonization in this thread before you?
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>>10210367
Bless the rain!
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>>10210054
>>10210252
>>10210261
>>10210305
>>10210333
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>>10210367
It will come back, as soon as Mexico City finishes sinking.
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>>10210389
Absolutely nobody, he's just literally insane.
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>>10207736
Sure didn’t help agains the Spanish.
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>>10210498
It was just bad compatibility. Like, the Maquahuitli were scissors, but the Spanish were stones.
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>>10210054
Actually Amerindians demonstrated a higher development rate than europeans.
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>>10210671
Oh no no no.
You triggered his autism.
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is he really gonna resort to samefagging
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>>10210684
How is posting historical facts, triggering for people?
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>>10209948
>>10209948
>>10209948
I wonder why he didn't just answer my question >>10210389
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>>10210696
Because he associates everyone who disagree with him to "leftists".
See >>10210709, that loser basically tried to hijack MY thread when he got wrecked in his own.
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>>10210054
Lad, i assure you that the average leftist knows and cares just as much about mesoamerican history, culture and achievements as you do.
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>>10210826
>objectively worse than the whytebois who were rampaging for tendy spices and faster ways to get to tendy spices
I wonder why.
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>>10210866
who are you quoting?
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>land with 900 men
>collapse the Aztecs

based Spainbros
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>>10210866
>vidyo gamesss

shut the fuck up nerd
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>>10211608
You forgot the hundreds of thousands of native allies and the disease
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>>10211711
No I didn't.
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>>10210879
Me
Hellolebbitor10211659
or what tourist? you wont give me any ebin upboats? (You) withheld for first degree faggotry
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>>10211726
take your pills schizo
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NuhUh10211746
>The tourist is immunized against nearly all insults. One may call him a faggot, basedboy, nu-male; they all wash off him like water on a raincoat. But if you tell him to go back or deprive him of his internet poimts, you will be astonished at how he flinches, how he recoils, how he lashes out. He's been found out.
Seethe some more touristkun.
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>>10211831
Meds. Take them.
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>Meds. Take them.
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>>10211831
>>10211927
No wonder people told me that /his/ is as autistic as /pol/.
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>>10212031
/his/ is /pol/-lite and the jannies are /pol/ loving retards
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ITT: Spanish propaganda
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>>10212290
>tourist can't even greentext
Outing your new like this should be an automatic permaban. Head on back to /b/ until you learn how to post, faggot.
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>he thinks I was trying to greentext
Back to /int/, retard
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>>10212031
/his/ is more autistic than /pol/, in the sense that more posters here have autism than on /pol/. deny it if you like, ask around here and you'll see i'm right.

>>10212041
nah, this board's low quality is the fault of its posters, not le infiltrators. if people are attracted to shit threads, it means you are boring and unfunny.
t. /pol/
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>>10210054
>WHAT YOU DON'T CONFORM TO BE BLACK AND WHITE VIEW OF HISTORY? YOU'RE A LEFTIST!
Why don't you go kill yourself and spare yourself the pain of seeing Zion Don leave office?
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>>10210054
>>10210252
>>10210261
>>10210333
No matter how bad life gets, I take solace in the fact that I will never be a mentally traumatized /pol/ reject who sees trannies everywhere he goes and screams about leftists on boards that have nothing to do with contemporary politics.

Go seethe avout trannies and niggers and whatever you closeted faggots are currently obsessed about. You will never have an ethnostate.
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>>10210371
>we're discussing
No you /pol/ tranny. WE were discussing Mesoamerica. YOU came in here screeching about trannies. Talking at the same time over others isn't partaking in a discussion. Now go back to looking at mutilated dicks.
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asads
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anti-Spanish bump
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Did the mexica worship Tonatiuh like other nahuas or was he replaced by Huitzilopochtli?
In fact, how did patron deities in mesoamerica work? How different was worship of Quetzalcoatl in Cholula different from other cities? Did the mexica never feel bad for burning their enemies' temples?
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>>10208342
no, most importantly, the appearance of a brilliant tactician with superior weaponry caused them to realize that they were being commandeered. so they fell in line, like good soldiers.
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>>10206144
>but without the gay sex
Why even bother building cities then
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>>10215130
>source : /pol/'s ass
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>>10206144
>had 351 recipes based on maize, could probably make buildings out of maize if they could

My fucking sides I laughed more than I should
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If Native Americans had metallurgy this world would be so much different.
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>>10208414
How the fuck do you build all of this without metal tools?
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>>10216205
They did have metallurgy, they just didn't use it for weapons or armor
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>>10216246
Not mesoamericans that is, andeans did sometimes, but it was still not really the norm as far as i know
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>>10216257
And I think mesoamericans also used metal axes as weapons from time to time as well, but if they did it was an even rarer occurrence than in the Andes.
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>>10210107
>>10210247
>>10210395
>>10212647
>>10212679
Well, where's the fucking proof?
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>>10216896
where is the claim that the mesoamericans had mathematical works comparable to euclids elements or written, epics or philosophical treatises of the same level of complexity and enduring influence as the illiad or the works of aristotle?
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>>10210671
No, they didn't.
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>>10216917
yeah they did
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>>10210054
You will never have sex
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>>10216932
Prove it.
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>>10216905
He probably means that part in the OP.
>had city states, like Greeks but without the gay sex
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>>10206144
i've never seen aztec warriors recreated come to think of it, no reenactments, no movies, nothing, only time i've ever seen things like jaguar warriors is in artwork and video games
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>>10208387
based
inca and aztec are the same if we say so
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>>10212597
>/his/ is more autistic than /pol/
Retarded and wrong
>fault of its posters, not le infiltrators
Never said we were being "infiltrated." Most /pol/tards like history and they come here also. They are retarded about history as they are with everything else, and they dumb down the board's overall IQ level
>t./pol/
>>>/pol/
go back
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>>10217427
You can see Aztecs in the movie Apocalypto.
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>>10217468
I didn't pay attention to it at the time. Did based mel get into much trouble for vividly protraying what mexicans still to this day glorify?
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>>10217468
it's cool but not a full jaguar warrior outfit like we usually see, movie did a great job of portraying them though
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>>10217468
Apocalypto is about maya, not aztecs, and the warrior's outfits are painfully inaccurate, like most of the movie.
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>>10217468
>Apocalypto
>Aztecs
Mayans
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>>10217626
>>10217634
They were Aztecs. You can see the Spaniards arriving at the end of the movie.

I don't remember anyone saying that the Mayans did the sacrifice of taking the heart out and all of that.
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>>10217713
Synopsis of the film:
>The Mayan kingdom is at the height of its opulence and power but the foundations of the empire are beginning to crumble. The leaders believe they must build more temples and sacrifice more people or their crops and citizens will die. Jaguar Paw (Rudy Youngblood), a peaceful hunter in a remote tribe, is captured along with his entire village in a raid. He is scheduled for a ritual sacrifice until he makes a daring escape and tries to make it back to his pregnant wife and son.
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>>10217604
How accurate is this?
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>>10217427
Apocalyptico, I guess.

>>10217443
Well, Aztecs don't have curses.
A shame, that thing gave me nightmares as a kid, a movie centered on explorer telling spooky tales of Aztecs would be baller.
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>>10217713
They spoke the yucatec maya language, their city had maya architecture and maya glyphs all over the place, they prayed to a maya god and during the sacrifice ceremony you could see the four chacoob, a maya practice. They were maya.
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>>10217722
It isn't. A maya warrior would wear padded armor, wield a shield, and use a whole lot more body paint and jewelry than that.
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>>10217713
>>10217731
And the aztecs didn't live in a jungle and there obviously was no lake around the city, so they couldn't have been aztecs. And if the movie was about the aztecs, the warriors' outfits would have been even less accurate
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>>10217722
It's as accurate as a WWII American soldier going to a fight dressed like Pennywise.
The Tim Curry one.
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>>10217721
But did the Mayans do the same sacrifices of the Aztecs?
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>>10217945
The maya did adopt sacrifice by heart extraction from central mexicans at some point before the spanish arrived, so yes.
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>>10217989
But I thought the Mayans were gone much before the Spaniards arrived.
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>>10218066
No, that is a common misconception.
What really happened was the following: Around the 9th century AD, maya civilization goes through a collapse, not THE collapse, A collapse. It was not the end of Maya civilization, they did not disappear nor revert back to primitive tribes, they quite simply abandoned the cities in the Central Yucatan and moved to the Northern Yucatan and the Guatemalan Highlands, swelling the size of the previously relatively irrelevant cities that already existed there before the collapse and creating new ones.
When the spanish arrived, maya civilization was still fully functional, they still lived in cities and built pyramids, it's just that they now used a different set of cities and those cities usually had less people in them.
The very first mesoamerican city sighted and visited by spaniards was maya, the infamous Malinche was gifted to Cortez by the maya king of the city of Potonchan, all surviving maya manuscripts are from after the collapse, and so is the most famous maya city, Chichen Itza.
If you want to see what maya cities looked like at the time of the conquest then look at stuff like Mayapan, Zaculeu, Iximché and Tulum (pic related).

tl;dr: Yes the maya were still around when the spanish arrived, it's just that they were using a different set of cities from before and the cities had less people in them.
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>>10218215
Did the Maya had relations with the Aztecs?
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>>10217744
>>10217773
i'll give the movie this though, it's a very entertaining one even though there's tons of inaccuracies but things like set design, character design and the language do immerse you in the world
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>>10218270
Yeah, they traded with one another often, as i said, the spanish got La Malinche from a maya king who had received her from Nahua traders.
And the aztecs conquered the region of Soconusco, which had a significant maya population, the aztecs were also likely planning to expand eastwards some more before the spanish invaded, which would inevitably cause them to clash with the maya more often.
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>>10218310
So the Aztecs were the Chads and the Maya the virgins?
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>>10218487
neck yourself
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>>10218487
Nah the totonacs were the virgins, they were weak and cowardly. The maya on the other hand were the longest lasting mesoamerican civilization whose last city was only conquered in 1697
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>>10218554
Aztecs vs Maya who won more battles?
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asasdads
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>>10206144
based
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>>10207813
bro eat healthier please
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>>10206773
>Aztec had writing
Citation needed.
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>>10207772
I have one of these, it's pretty neat. My mother thought it was cool as fuck despite how Dad and I tried to scare her with it. I do not recommend blowing one in a residential area, because it will summon police.
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>>10207736
>but it didn't stop them.
See pic
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>>10216265
>I recognize the mace head in the center of the bottom row fifth from the right between the two star shaped mace heads

The metatron on youtube had a replica of it made out of brass and tested it out against steel helmets. Shit was cash.
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>>10206144
>had city states, like Greeks but without the gay sex
Huemac is proof they had deviantart tier fetishes instead.
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adaads
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>>10221042
Imagine having successes for centuries but all kids remember about you is how you fell. I pity these uncultured children.
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>>10222104
yea success against fellow underdeveloped retards isn't a bragging point
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>>10222104
Similar to post-WW2 France.
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>>10222201
Kids are just pathetic. They never watch history in its entirely.
>hahaha it fell
Every empire ended up falling, kid. Why do you worship Grossgermanium and yet shit on the Mayans? They survived way longer than Dodolf's private pleasure camp.
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>>10217713
Mel Gibson added the Spaniard bit for dramatic effect.
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>>10222747
There's nothing wrong with spaniards and maya at the same time, if the maya didn't look like classical period maya and the city was smaller it would be fine
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I have corn flour here. Should I try cooking me some atole?

>>10222839
This. Mayan were still around, they were just a minor power. Like Greece right now.
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>>10217327
>europeans
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to solutrean:10000 years (30000BC-20000BC)
>from aurignacian-antelian to start of crop development: 9000 years(30000BC-21000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 10500 years (21000BC-10500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to 1000ºC copper furnaces: 5000 years (10500BC-5500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to bronze metallurgy: 6000 years (10500BC-4500BC)

>Amerindians:
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to clovis: 5500 years (16000BC-10500BC)
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to the start of crop development: 5000 years (16000BC-11000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 7000 years (11000BC-4000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to 1000ºC copper furnaces: 3300 years (4000BC-700BC)
>from neolithic revolution to bronze metallurgy: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)


-"2003a. Tiwanaku Period (Middle Horizon) bronze metallurgy in the lake Titicaca basin: A preliminary assessment. En Tiwanaku and its hinterland, T 2. A. Kolata, (Ed.), pp. 404-434. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D. C."
-"1997. El bronce arsenical y el Horizonte Medio. En Arqueología, antropología e historia en los Andes: Homenaje a María Rostworowski, R. Varón y J. Flores E. (Eds.), pp. 153-186. Instituto de Estudios Peruanos, Lima."
-"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";;;;;;;;
-"Historia de América Andina: Las sociedades aborígenes"
-"https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02859340";;;;;;;;
-"http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";;;;;;;;
-"http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";;;;;;;;
-"https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";;;;;;;;
-"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";;;;;;;;
Therefore Amerindians demonstrated a higher development rate than europeans.
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>>10222996
Sweet mother, thanks for all the readings!!
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>>10223008
it's not my text but yw ;)
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>>10223025
I'm not ironic, by the way. I do like getting stuff to read, aztec-history is too short.
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>>10223067
Me neither. Text was made by a local autist from this board, though it is still completely valid.
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>>10223382
All the stuff about atoles and corn makes me hungry.
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>>10206144
Homo sex > child sacrifice and drenching your cities in the blood of thousands every month.
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>>10206144
one thing to consider too is that they were practically a stone age civilization, they had no metal tools, no wheels and not even the help of quadruped animals like incas had. despite all of this they built some of the most beautiful and majestic ancient cities in our history.
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>>10223982
>not even the help of quadruped animals
That's what slaves are for.
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>>10208358
>>10208342
>>10208317
>>10208296
>>10208260
It’s another essay of cope about how a handful of Spaniard OTVMBA BVLLS raped an entire continent LMAO.
>native allies (so it wasn’t the Spanish who genocided you? Ok so Spanish aren’t at fault)
>wewuz diseased (so the Spanish are biologically superior due to their superior immune systems?)
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>>10207736
This post is completely meaningless. Didn't stop them from what, waging war? No shit retard, if God came down and prevented people from being able to use weapons of any kind, people would still wage war with their fists. There is nothing even a little bit impressive about that.
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>>10223923
Bathing in blood is good for skin, though.
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>>10224022
Which one then? Are whites genociders or cowards?
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>>10224439
Both.
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>>10206144
Always thought Mayans and Aztecs were the same thing?? Like saying Native and Iroquois.
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>>10224719
Not exactly. It's kinda like Greeks and Romans : the Mayans were here first, but they slowly declined over time, and then came the Aztecs, who took a lot after the Mayans.
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>>10224735
Not really the case, the aztecs and other nahuas got most of their culture from the union between their chichimec ancestors and the native central mexican city-states, which in turn took most of their culture from Teotihuacan, they also had some influence from the zapotecs, mixtecs and huastecs.
As a matter of fact there are more central mexican influences in maya culture than the other way around.
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>/pol/ is leaking again
Shoo, shoo, cowards.
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>>10225024
>whites didn't fight
Alright, they were cowards.
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coz mutts prefer to worship blacks for some reasons
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>/pol/ is leaking again
Shoo, shoo, cowards.
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>>10207736
Amazing they had no blacksmiths and were still able to sacrifice each other in such great numbers.
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>>10207742
I think he’s imitating their death whistle.
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>>10210671
If that’s true then why are their descendants so dumb now?
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>>10226042
>they had no blacksmiths
You made this part up
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>>10226175
True. They had mesosmiths. Blacksmiths are African.
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>>10226160
>If that was
There is no "If" here, no conditional being debated. Amerindian higher development rate is a historical fact.
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>>10226160
Spanish admixture
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>>10223982
Mayas knew of the wheel and had metallurgy
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>>10220957
Just look up nahuatl writing wh*toid
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>>10226160
I think that the American pandemics had something to do with it although I can't prove it
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>>10228166

This is made up https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2011/12/111205-native-americans-europeans-population-dna-genetics-science&ved=2ahUKEwjKmurg3JXuAhUbJDQIHXCUAPIQFjAWegQIbxAB&usg=AOvVaw0wl8jR4dnQ9spkzR1XC86C&ampcf=1

One previous study did find a decline in population size among Native Americans but inferred the time of the decrease as around 1,000 to 2,000 years ago, [which is] hard to reconcile with what we know about Native American history," he said.
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Nigga that's baby shit, you didn't even mention the coolest parts of Aztec society:

>cities were so well planned and so well kept that the Spanish thought they were literally entering paradise on earth when they reached Tenochtitlan, especially compared to the rat-infested shitholes of European cities at the same time
>had a philosophical system that rivaled the Hindus and Chinese allowing them to organise mass societies with inferior technology, and was only suppressed because of Catholic autism and the Spaniard's desire for total religious dominance
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>>10228203

>This is made up
You own study proves it, jesus christ.
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>>10228364

But dumbly, its obvious that smallpox didn't genocide the native americans and theres no way that would work. Native Americans and Chinese are same genes.
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>>10226160
India could theoretically invade Japan and colonize the whole country. Now replace India/Japan with Europe/America

Everybody would still agree that Japan had a higher development rate and potential.
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>>10210671
How? They never discovered metallurgy.
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>>10228405

The brazilian amazon charcoal remains suggest the amazon was more developed under natives than europeans.
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>>10228242
Do you actually believe that?
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Sorry for not replying in the past few days anons, frankly I'm still pretty busy now tho and am heading to bed, but I'll try to reply to the rest tommorow too

>>10208374
So, I already directed you to check out my resources in >>10208414, but you might want to also look into Micheal Smith's research. He's an expert on Mesoamerican urbanism, but has increasingly focused on excavated and documenting everyday commoner residences in both larger cities and smaller towns and villages, and has an entire book (with another coming out) on that topic.

Also, looking into some good Mesoamerican media might help. There is, frankly, not a ton, especially for everyday stuff, but there is some. My writup/list (which isn't in that pastebin yet) of Mesoamerican media I reccomend is here: desuarchive.org/co/thread/119651972/#119695404 . Of what I suggest there, the Aztec Empire comic, while showing the conquest, does show a lot of "downtime" in Aztec, Maya, Totonac, etc cities and towns too. I haven't read Zotz's comic, Codex Black, or the others, but they should have some of what you wnat too, I imagine. Kamazotz/Zotz's and OHS688 and Rafaelmena's art in general shows a lot of everyday stuff, and obviously I have similar stuff in my art drive.

Also Onyx Equinox, what that thread is about, has some scenes of downtime in some cities, though not a ton. Highly reccomend it though, it's very well researched, and can be watched for free without an account on CR's site.

Also, considering reaching some primary sources? For example, Duran's History of the Indies of New Spain (see pic) is a few hundred pages of history from Aztec sources and can be bought for like 20$. It was compiled post conquest so there's some distortion/bias issues, especially for the hapters describing the conquest, but still. There;s plenty of other books/sources likethis, especially if you read spanish

>>10208926
Check out the book drive when you're home and download some and load them on your phone, maybe?

6/?
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>>10224342
Liz Bathory pls go
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>>10229525
No!!
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>>10206153
seethe
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>>10228405
>amerindians never discovered metallurgy
are you retarded?
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>>10208414
somebody that knows shit about the subject ? holy shit, the end times are near...
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>>10228242
Name one Aztec philosopher or make me a quick rundown of their main theories.
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>>10228438
>believe
more like Know (from the accounts of both parties)
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>>10206144
Did the Aztecs have their own equivalent of Barbarians? The Romans/Greeks had Germanics and Gauls and the Chinese had Turks and mongols. When uncivilized horror kept the Aztecs up at night?
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>>10232787
The fear of the gods ending the world and starting a new one because they weren't fed.
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>>10232743
Nezahualcoyotl
>>10232787
They had chichimeca. The aztecs, together with all other nahuatl speakers, were themselves just chichimeca nomad tribes who managed to integrate into the local settled civilization and subjugated the local oto-manguean speakers.
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>>10232787
>barbarians
They were too closely related.
And I don't think the Comanches/Yankees travelled all the way down at all.
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>>10222996
Then how do you explain this?
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>>10233060
I thought the Incans survived a lot longer than the Aztecs, and just diminushed rather than being exterminated?
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>>10233060
>Then
Incorrect use of "then". There is nothing to contest in the truthpill related to your image.
>explain
Explain what?
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>>10222880
yes
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>>10232818
Chicimecas werent actually that barbaric. not as advanced, but they werent marauding savages
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>>10206144
The truth is they are hated with a passion by ignorant people.
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>>10233861
The development of the European civilizations is more accelerated.
>Incorrect use of "then".
I guess it should be at the end of the sentence. My English is imperfect, since I've been learning the language for six years. We can speak in Spanish, if you can speak it.
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>>10210671
then how did they get so thoroughly btfo, i think its cope
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>>10228397
but the spanish in spain dont act as shit as the spanish-native mix in the americans
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>>10226332
it is also a cope for not actually developing as fast
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>>10234298
You posted an Egyptian town, not an Aztec one.
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>>10234607
What the fuck are you talking about? That's a reconstruction of Montezuma II's palace at Tenochtitlan by Scott and Stuart Gentling.
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>>10234766
Whaaaat? Was is so good-looking?
I guess Serious Sam's portrayal of Palenque weren't that far from the truth, then. I always assumed they exagerrated.
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>>10234550
1. they're not spanish-native mixes. They're spanish-native-nafri mixes.

2. modern mestizos are overwhelmingly descended from only a few native groups

3. hunter gatherers are evolutionarily different from post-agricultural people. You'd need time for them to evolve into agropastoralism
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>>10234792

Why would they look like ruins when still in use? They had plaster, dye, stones, paintings, furniture...
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>>10235091
...good point, it was stupid from me to assume it looked like ruins.
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Aztec and meshica are the same thing? Why there are 2 names for the same people?
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>>10234487
>European civilizations is more accelerated
Incorrect. See>>10222996
>I guess it should be at the end of the sentence
It shouldn't be anywhere of the sentence; a better post would say "By the way, how do you explain this?", as your post doesn't contest at all Amerindian Higher Development Rate.
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>>10206541
>Hola
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>>10222996
My theory: their lack of extremely divergent Basal ancestry meant lower selfishness and lower inequality. Which resulted in less expansionism because everyone was satisfied.

>>10234077

If you keep tabs on eurasian history you'll find out that literally every expansionary people/lineage was associated with Basal ancestry. Today all Eurasian nations with the exception of East Asia are Basalized. And you'll see within Europe a pretty clear association of increasing inequality with higher Basal ancestry--with the least Basal Russians being the home of communism (and also contributing the least to modern invention)
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>>10235709
>como estas
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>>10228242
>Aztec philosophy
Do faggots and trannies even read the shit they write
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>>10206144
>>had city states, like Greeks but without the gay sex
The Aztec warrior caste was super into buttfucking eachother though
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>>10236442
Citation needed, projecting faggot.
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Tanik took ool!
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>retard posts offtopic shit
>offtopic shit get deleted by based janny
>retard cries
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>>10235257
Aztec is a recent, meaningless term and no one in history actually called themselves that, it comes from the myth of Aztlan, the homeland of the nahua tribes. Some people use it as synonymous for the mexica, some for the triple alliance, some for all nahuatl speaking ethnic groups.
>>10236438
What's wrong with that? You angry just because someone did some actual research on the region instead of being retarded?
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>>10232433
He's been posting massive dumps for a few years now. Sometimes he hijacks threads on /v/ and goes full autist.
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>>10237783
I'd say he's pretty based, myself.
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>>10235601
>Incorrect. See>>10222996
Incorrect, see >>10233060.
>It shouldn't be anywhere of the sentence; a better post would say "By the way, how do you explain this?", as your post doesn't contest at all Amerindian Higher Development Rate.
Oh, so you were not correcting me because it should be in another part of the sentence; you are correcting me because you are retarded.
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>>10206144
How white are you that you think bell peppers are spicy
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>>10206153
the Lord brought about a more efficient end to the mesoamericans
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>>10237813
>see
Second post of pointing at the picture, still not a single specification of what part contradicts what; ergo, irrelevant.
>ad hominem
Try again, subhuman.
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>>10238749
It's been days and i still have no idea what you two are arguing about
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>>10206144
*cough cough*
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>>10238749
>nitpicking grammar and failing at it
>mistaking insulting for making an argument ad hominem
>using ergo
Woah there we have an intellectual here.
>Second post of pointing at the picture, still not a single specification of what part contradicts what
The picture shows a faster development for the Europeans.
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>>10238874
>>nitpicking grammar and failing at it
>>mistaking insulting for making an argument ad hominem
>Woah there we have an intellectual here.
>The picture shows a faster development for the Europeans.
Already addressed/irrelevant. See>>10222996
Last chance for you to specify where does it contradict the truthpill.
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>>10239218
It contradicts by showing faster development for Europeans, which contradicts what you posted, which shows faster development for Americans.
>from neolithic revolution to bronze metallurgy: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)
Why does it stop at 700AD? Is it because progressist anti–white disingenuity allows you to plain ignore 800 years because if you don't then you cannot say that they developed faster?
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Even if the diseases or other things wouldn't have helped the Spaniards I think that they would have sent more and bigger armies and finally they would have defeated the Aztecs. There were too much difference in military technology and strategy.
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>>10239639
Amerindian Imperial Incan Army literally BTFO'd spaniards till diseases and reinforcements came later.
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>>10236438
Aztecs taught their philosophy in their schools. It was basically dialetical monism with a cylical view of space and time. They also taught ethics and aesthetics
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>>10239664
>and reinforcements came later.
That is my point. Yeah the Inca or Aztecs were more numerous but eventually Spain or other European country would have sent bigger and more prepared armies and they would have won.
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>>10240001
There would be no point to send armies to the new world, if there were no stable settlements there. The only lands that would have been actually safe if diseases didn't ravage the population (95%death rate) would be southern cone of south america or the northeastern coast of north america. Sooner or later tribal warfare would have been a great burden same as it happened in africa, so europeans would focus more on a similar treatment to the new world.
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>>10232743
Read this

https://www.amazon.com/Aztec-Philosophy-Understanding-World-Motion/dp/160732461X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1522695438&sr=1-1&keywords=james+maffie&dpID=51QrHi8EnqL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch&linkCode=sl1&tag=80800088-20&linkId=67953e703f23c22d8cb82a97de3e26f1

It's a fucking masterpiece
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>>10240165
Look at what happened in North America for example. There the natives even learned to ride horses and use firearms. They even allied with the French. But eventually they were all defeated an conquered.
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>>10239639
>>10240001
>>10241165

Actually the spanish government didnt sent armies to conquer the aztec or incas. They were basically rogue armies privately sponsored.
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>>10241165
The natives of north america were already decimated by disease. If they weren't killed by disease their numbers would have been at least 10* of the encountered numbers and their settlements would have been similar to south guatemalan/north ecuadorian settlements in terms of demographic density, and most sedentary.

Keep in mind that the epidemics weren't a single event of a few years. There was a constant mortality rate for a long period that somehow managed to let like 5% of natives alive after a century.
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>>10241414
They were allowed by the king of Spain. They went there in the name of the king of Spain. I think the soldiers and weapons were paid by the leader of the expedition but they were there in the name of the king.

>>10241671
Bro, no matter what. The Europeans would have conquered all America. In fact Europeans conquered the whole fucking world.
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>>10217427
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>>10217468
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>>10236442
Homosexuals were put to death by Aztecs.

Greeks were the gayest ancient peoples. Cope.
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>>10236438
>muh anything that isn't my /pol/ loser ideology is trannies
Do you read anything outside your echo chamber?
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>>10234766
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>>10232787
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>>10228438
Spaniards themselves wrote that Tenochtitlan was the largets marvel they had ever seen. You're just another butthurt retarded cracker smothered in ideology. Read some actual historic sources for once.
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>>10224022
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>>10242585
Based. The ancestors and the Sun smile upon you
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>>10210367
blessed post

in ancient mexico it was customary for priests to draw blood from the tip of their penis in fertility rituals. they used stingray tails to pick the skin.

i read that in Michael Coe's pretty based book on pre colonial mexico
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>>10232787
The Aztecs WERE the barbarians. They were the Germans we wuzzing in the valley of mexico after the earlier Mexicans (Romans) were gone. The Aztecs had no idea who built Teotihuacan when the Spanish asked them about the ruins.

Traditionally ancient Mexico had a ruling power(s) in the Valley of Mexico region who had large cities. Northern Mexico was filled with the barbarian Chichimeca.

The barbarian Chichimeca of the north used bows and arrows, lived in caves and lean-toos and hunted lots of small game

The civilized Mexicans lived in the Valley of Mexico in cities/towns and used atlatls. The brow and arrow was the weapon of "savages".

t. read Coe's book
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>>10206144
>had the best music instruments of all time
Is there any confirmed pre-hispanic music present that is confirmed and not larp?
Alsoo is anyone familiar with modern latin music and how much is derived from the natives? European and especially African rigins are alwaysedtalked about, but the natives have the most prevalent blood and SOME of their habit/culture has had to be prreserved.
I once heard a shaman (amozonic or andean) chant, and it reminded me of some latin american music. Like huapangos huastecos or something, Maybe I'll try and search it up
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>>10222206
>Every empire ended up falling, kid.
America won't because capitalism is eternal.
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>>10243482
>t. Tyrone Martinez Johnson
America wasn't the first empire built on Capitalism, my retarded mutt friend.
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>>10243432
Pice related is one instrument we know of that has existed since Pre-Columbian times a long with a few bone and wood flutes.

There are no preserved notes of any in kind in Nahuatl or Spanish so technically any "Prehispanic music" today is a LARP post-colonial invention. Despite the obvious influence Iberian style musicians may have taken from the indigenous people I doubt there is any real derivative of Prehispanic sound in today's LatAm traditional music. Even the natives are entirely Christianized in their ancestral cultural practices like danza.
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>>10243698
It literally was. Also, the US is more than that.
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>>10242778
Why did mesoamerican priests and warriors do the whole black body paint thing? The amount of pseudohistory created from depictions of it in murals and codices by afrocentrists and schizos who don't know anything about the region is pretty amusing.
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>>10244079
No idea. Don't bother with those type of people. They are smothered in ideology. If you exhaust all of their bad faith arguments they just claim your sources are "brainwashed white man science" and "do your research". They're just butthurt niggers who can't accept the fact that they were gracelessly enslaved and don't have the same pop-culture image that the stoic and brave Amerindian has.
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>>10243073
>The Aztecs WERE the barbarians
Literally anyone that wasn't Roman was a Barbarian, so you're not helping.
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this thread made my eyes wet. such a wonderful world destroyed forever. fuck
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>>10244574
The earth is a wonderful place with many cultures so unique that they might come from different planets.
I'm not completely sold on the whole "cut your penis to sacrifice blood for the gods or pierce your tongue with a barb if you're a woman" thing, though.
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Finally caught up holy shit

Hope all you anons I'm replying to are still here

>>10228666
cont:

>>10208861
I'm always down for rational arguements, hit me.

>>10209417
Sorry anon, I don't speak read it, so not really. Actual 16th and 17th century Nahuatl documents is always an option, though, and some published translations of them also includes the Nahuatl transcriptions. The English translation of the florentine codex does, for example

>>10210054
>>10216896
>>10210252
Firstly, I'm not sure where you're even seeing the claims you're addressing here. Charles Mann does say the corpus of Nahuatl literature is on par or perhaps greater then Greek literature in 1491, but that's mostly just in the sense of the amount of surviving writing in the language, not of it's complexity or significance. He does also compare them in terms of intellectual worth, but he doesn't claim that they're even or that Aztec is greater, just that they both had intellectual traditions (which is true, though "written" is where we'll have a hangup) and the Aztec were perhaps on their way to a similar intellectual revolution as what was in Classical Greece.


There's also >>10210671 but that anon is being dumb and you should disregard them for the most part.

Anyways:

>he mesoamericans had mathematical works comparable to euclids elements

I'm not sure they did. Most Mesoamerican books deal with astrology and calender's,or political histories. There's not really evidence for there being ANY mathematical treaties in a written record. We do have a few documents dealing with non-astronomical math, though, such as tributary/tax records and land ownership documents. There's an Aztec land survey (see pic, it was technically made post-conquest but within the first few decades and reflects prehispanic methods/conventions) which shows they could calculate area, but suggests they didn't have trigonometry, due to the errors it has, for instance.

7/?
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>ate bell pepper for breakfast
So do I.
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>>10245633
Meant chili pepper.
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>>10244748
>>10210054
>>10216896
>>10210252
cont:

In general we really don't know how complex Mesoamerican mathmatics got outside of astronomy: I don't know what sources you're looking at that are claiming they had giant mathmatical treatsies and essays and shit (If you're reading some hyper-woke 16 year old's tumblr page then that's on you), but most researchers I've spoken to will be pretty up front about this, aside from giving the caveat that archectural constructions and enigneerin accomplishments suggests some more complex math then what there's written evidence for, in terms of the precision of angles and making structures that have shadows lining up during certain times of year and such, but there's still no reason to think they had shit like algebera.

>or written, epics or philosophical treatises of the same level of complexity and enduring influence as the illiad or the works of aristotle?

This there's a bit more to, though still with caveats, being "written"

The only Mesoamerican civilization with a complete written language that actually represents the complete spoken language it's tied to is the Maya script, which has a set of syllabic characters representing every spoken sound, alongside a set of logograms a la egyptian hieroglyphs. Other mesoamerican scripts are varying levels of more or less language to pictographic based: Epi-Olmec and Zapotec might also be close to a complete written language, perhaps like some Chinese character systems or hieroglyphs, but niether is fully deciphered AFAIk, nor do we have a ton of extensive written records for them. Teotihuacano we only barely have inscriptions from, and there's debate if it's in line with those or the more pictographic scripts. Olmec we have a single lithograph of and it's not deciphered at all.

8/?
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>>10245736
So you're saying that because the Sp*niards burned everything, the few we could've had is lost forever.
Fucking sp*niards.
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>>10242563
>make erroenous claims aimed at attacking whites
>"you are tranny"
>WTF NO YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT I COULD JUST AS EASILY NOT BE A TRANNY READ A BOOK POOOOOOOOL
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>>10246212
Who are you quoting?
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>>10210715
>>10210684
Are you being retarded on purpose? what does this have to do with development rate?
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>>10228242
>urban planning is philosophy
Urban planning is probably very easy when you have a supreme godking and an inexhaustible source of slave labor.
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>>10217451
>They are retarded about history as they are with everything else
Just like everybody else in 4chin then. why are you so butthurt about those based chads?
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>>10212694
>WE
nah you're a retarded tranny who's simply obsessed with /pol/. get help
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>>10246212
>>make erroenous claims aimed at attacking whites
Kek why do /pol/ trannies constantly cry white oppression? Worse than niggers and jews.
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>>10246254
>>10246212
>no u
Nice comeback tranny. Now go back.
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>>10239493
stop bullying the retard with facts. his maize infused brain would collapse
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>>10246271
not an argument
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>>10228407
Are you literally retarded?
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>>10246326
Cope, seethe, and dilate.
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>>10242585
>Spaniards themselves wrote that Tenochtitlan was the largets marvel they had ever seen.
And you believed it wholesale like a severe retard.
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>334
>no arguments
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>>10211711
>You forgot the hundreds of thousands of native allies and the disease
>hundreds of thousands of native allies
not a single source places them in the hundreds of thousands, not to mention the blatant logistical incapability of a Spanish vanguard and lets be generous a 101,000 man army being incapable of supplying itself in hostile territory.
>disease
Spanish bio superiority :)

Wild and Savage came the yellow bearded men, cutting down their swarthy dwarflike foes, toppling city after city and empire after empire.

>>10212041
>get banned for saying 'negro'
you dont even have to say nigger to get banned, you just need leftoid drones to mass report you saying anything other than "POC of African persuasion" and you'll get a three day ban from the actual shitskin janny who works the board.
He hits you with multiple 15 minute min-bans and then barrages the mod with emails until he begrudgingly hands out a three day.
I would call him a shitlib infiltrator but it is probably some seething pajeet or unironic mutt.
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>>10217451
>They are retarded about history as they are with everything else, and they dumb down the board's overall IQ level
brown claws scribbled this post
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>>10222206
>>10222104
It is because the Aztecs were destroyed in totality.
The Swedish Memepire fell but Sweden is still around.
The British Empire was literally given away to its constituents without a fight (except for America) but England is still around.
The Roman Empire fell in two epic struggles but their legacy is still felt, Turks larp as Byzantines and Italians are still around as a group with a distinct and direct heritage from the Roman Empire.

No one seriously wants to larp as spaztecs.
People do want the legitimacy of the Roman empire.
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Did the Aztecs have any black magic?
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>>10246271
Its funny to me you are forced to use /pol/ language despite hating and decrying them.
They are so effective at making you seethe you have adopted their lexicon, and now apply it, rather poorly.
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>>10239493
>>10239218
its also retarded to use "Europe" as a metric.
Lets look at the development of Northern Europe specifically, they skyrocketed past their neighbors faster than anyone else in the world.
From a Stone Age tech Neolithic people to the most advanced Iron Age culture in regards to boats and weapons in the entire world.
Natives have nothing like that.
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>>10246477
>northen Europe
>technologically skyrocketed
[laughs in Scottish]
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>>10246512
>cites the country with the most scientific achievements per capita
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>>10246460
/pol/fags despise blacks yet they use their lexicon and call whatever strikes their fancy "based". I'm sure your post sounded smarter in your head you fucking queer.
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>>10246447
>no one wants to LARP as spaztecs
>they want to LARP as pedophile sodomizers who were raped by Germans instead
This is your brain on /int/.
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>>10246434
Whites are subhuman.
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>>10246366
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE EUROPEAN ACCOUNTS THAT TESTIFY TO OUR SUPERIORITY
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BELIEVE EUROPEAN ACCOUNTS THAT ARE TESTAMENTS TO YOUR SUPERIORITY
Is this what browsing an anime imageboard does to you? Turn you into a stormfag with no capacity for critical thinking?
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>>10246592
Hey, don't drag animes into this, he doesn't need them to be retarded.
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>>10246563
based isn't a nig word you moron
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>>10246592
>>10246636
Oh the irony of these severely retarded uneducated faggot making this ironic when retards like
>>10207831
exist
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>>10246707
doesn't it come from based god
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>>10242539
I don't think that those flags on the back would be comfortable to fight.

Interesting how the japanese had similar flags on their back. I assume they were to identify the soldiers in the battle.
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In case you're curious, there was a thread on /pol/ that linked here, if you wonder why the thread went from being near dead to being busy.

>>10247155
Don't make this a weaaboo thread as well, please.
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>>10247155
According to an anonymous conquistador, those were strapped to the back in such a way that it neither hindered the warrior in combat and is were so securely bound to them that it cannot be captured unless you cut it's wearer to pieces.
It was used by the generals and his officers, and was pretty important for their organization.
>>10247251
That explains it.
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Another good and based thread ruined by polfags and trannies
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>>10247410
It's impossible to talk about culture without retards barging in.
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>>10247410
>>10247425
no, no it wasn't
threads on this board used to last a month
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>>10242359
I doubt that. European powers conquered other african kingdoms/asian when they already had colonized the new world.
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ITT: whites BTFO



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