Will apple finally catch up to the rest of the pc industry with the M3 or will it still lag behind nvidia and amd gpu's?
>>96077507The latter
>>96077507will still be the best laptop now with gaming; rtx/dlss and lasts for days
>>96077955What about in the desktop market?
>>96077969probably nothing changes
>>96077999So the $7000 mac pro will still be equivalent to a mid-range nvidia gpu?
>>96078019probably more akin to amd so same price (or more) as nvidia but worse performance
>>96077507give it 5 years, arm is more efficient and consumers less power. Its just a matter of time. You got the biggest company in the world investing billions into it. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-inks-long-term-deal-220658881.html
>>96079677So apple is going to be behind the competition for the next 5 years? That's pretty fucked.
>>96077507A17 is promising, so if those GPU upgrades go into macbooks i can see the M3 Pro/Max performing in the same ballpark as a 4060 (mobile)
>>96079876The m3 max will be in desktops, so it shouldn't have the performance of a laptop gpu.
>>96079899I'm not going to go crazy, best scenario i think is the top of the line M3 processor might match a 4070 or something, i'm sure mac blogs will cliam it beats a 4090 or some bullshit.
>>96079677imagine if they invested in riscv
>>96077507it's not going to happen, for as good as the memory bandwidth of the M1/M2 is for a CPU, it is absolute shit for a GPU. they would need to double the number of memory channels of basic models for it to have a chance to compete.
>>96079899The max is in laptops stupid
>>96080119oh yeah I was thinking of the ultra. this nomenclature is retarded
>>96080119It's also in the $2000 mac studio.
>Will a passively cooled iGPU lag behind industry leadersGee anon, we can only speculate.
>>96080173It's only passively cooled the same way high performance server cpu's are "passively cooled". The mac pro has 3 massive fans at the front of the case blowing air over a giant cpu heatsink. It probably has more cooling than even the top of the line rtx 4090.
It's largely dependent on whether SVE2 is adopted or not. For some bizarre reason SVE was completely abandoned. Hopefully this will finally be a real happening for ARM FOR REALZY! (tm) this time. Piss poor SIMD performance is the main thing holding back ARM from being taken seriously as a PC replacement. >"Armv9 features the SVE2 (Scalable Vector Extensions) successor to the short-lived, HPC-oriented SVE and widely adopted NEON"https://linuxgizmos.com/arm-announces-first-armv9-cores-including-powerhouse-cortex-x2/
>>96077507stop playing video games, go talk to women and use pc for making money
>>96080446>For some bizarre reason SVE was completely abandoned.Every SVE2 CPU implements SVE.Some of the SVE2 promises like scalable length are not really popular. Even ARM's top Neoverse V2 only has 128-bit length SVE2.
>>96080670>Even ARM's top Neoverse V2 only has 128-bit length SVE2.lol are you saying ARM still won't be able to compete with SIMD performance of AVX2 launched in 2013?
>>96081218Yeah but also, no one has showed that SIMD in mobile can be maintained without making a chip a housefire. The best we've seen it is in x86 laptops which boggles the mind why Apple still hasn't added their own stuff and even with it, it doesn't even hold a candle.
>>96077507Apple does not need to care about anyone, they are a fashion business, they only need to make people believe they are fashionable.
>>96079677>arm is more efficient and consumers less poweryet it barely beats zen 3 on a shittier node
>>96077507Hey zoomieApple has nearly always been Different.They marketed the PowerPC CPUs the same way they are doing Apple Silicon.The only reason they went to Intel was purely for profit margins when they lost all friendly PowerPC suppliers.
>>96079677>consumers less powerDo you exclusively watchers CNN?
>>96082064The powerpc actually WAS faster though and they put competitive gpu's in their products back in those days. Remember when john carmack chose to demo doom 3 on stage at an apple keynote before showing it anywhere else? Now they just gaslight their customers into believing their flagship chips are faster than everyone else's while in reality they're 50% slower than nvidia's flagships gpu's.
>>96082064PowerPC was the time Apple was worth it from a technical perspective, this time in the past now.Speaking of PowerPC, hopefully IBM reverses the self destructing policies a little, at least enough for Power 11 to be fully open so Raptor Computing can finally move the secure workstations to it.
>>96077507Metal is shite
>>96082096I can't believe how many retards fell for the efficiency meme. That idle power consumption of 0.2W is the only impressive thing about them and the reason why they get good battery life and it would be possible with modern x86 cores if AMD or Intel would design such a tightly integrated SoC and locked down machine for it. Problem with x86 laptop is that while the CPU cores alone use very little power, the rest of the CPU die, the SSD, RAM, USB controllers, WiFi card and whatnot add up to 1-3W of extra power usage.
>>96082645Sadly it's mostly because of shitty displays. If you cherry pick the most well designed laptop PCs you'll find 20+ hours of web browsing battery life. Then again apple's choice of mini-LED led resulting in very high pixel response times that results in blurry 60 FPS video playback.
>>96082949yeah bro buy the dell 9510 it has 60 hours of battery life !!https://old.reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/rvaw3b/dell_xps_9510_battery_life_reasonable_expectation/
>>96082949It's mostly because of the processor you retard.
>>96082288seems like open source is counter to how IBM makes its money.
>>96082645finestill can't get pc that will be efficient because they will never fix all that other shit
>>96083177>plebbit>>96083263Nope, most laptop PCs are burning up a few watts of power when the CPU is idling at like 800Mhz. This is why web browsing battery life is similar to video playback battery life even though the latter should be logically using significantly less power. Most laptop PCs will give you around 6-8 hours of web browsing battery life and similar battery life if watching movies/tv shows.Apple figured out that mini-LED was very energy efficient which is why they were able to arrive at 20 hours of battery life playing video but only 16 hours of battery life browsing the web. Problem is mini-LED has high response time and is very unsuitable 60 FPS video playback let alone any kind of gayming.
>>96083516>real opinions>paid reviewsyeah ill go with reddit on this you can go and buy 3 hours of battery life """"portable"""" computers
>>96083616You have to admit that blurry 60 FPS video playback is a pretty brutal sacrifice you make for le ebin battery life.https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Air-M2-Entry-Review-A-very-good-but-too-expensive-daily-MacBook.636637.0.html
Whoops that wasn't mini-LED but this one is.https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-14-2023-review-The-M2-Pro-is-slowed-down-in-the-small-MacBook-Pro.687345.0.html
>>96083675why do you keep quoting me with paid reviews i havent even said anything about macbooks or screens just called you out on the fake battery life claims of dell laptops
>>96077507Lack of support from other companies is what's killing this chip. No matter how good it will get, they need to throw money at other companies or somehow design a super efficient compatibility layer
>>96083806M8 I'm just trying to point out thatMAYBETHEORETICALLYBattery life might now be the bee's knees. Maybe you don't want to watch blurry 60 FPS video. Perhaps you want to experience the most crystal clear motion 60 FPS of your life without getting a headache from a flickering CRT shitbox.https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-9i-14-2022-Laptop-High-End-Convertible-with-4K-OLED-in-Review.617690.0.html
>>96080548OP didn’t say anything about video games you sperg lord.
>>96082645>>96082949>>96083675Wow someone in this site understand how battery management works Latitude have more further battery optimization than other windows laptop its the only laptop series that actually do their research and development for battery life management and optimization like Apple before they sell their laptop unlike other windows laptop manufacturer>>96083177Reddit version are with performance h series instead of efficient u series completely different hardware and skus
Who invited the ESL pajeet?
>>96083909then why would he care about having EVEN MORE GPU power
https://webkit.org/blog/14445/webkit-features-in-safari-17-0/Safari 17.0 adds support for AV1 video on devices with hardware decoding support, like iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max.AV1 WONMPEG SHILLS BTFOCOMING TO M3, M3 PRO/MAX/ULTRA SOON
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