In the 90s, some social scientists studied interviewing, to see if behavioral interviewing really worked. They had interviewers write down their initial impressions of people and then go through an interview process, and then write another assessment. Some interviewers were trained in behavioral interviewing and some weren't. What they found was unexpected: almost all of the time, people didn't change their assessment from their initial impression, no matter what interviewing technique they used.

As described in the May 29, 2000 issue of The New Yorker by Malcolm Gladwell in "The New-Boy Network: What Do Job Interviews Really Tell Us?", researchers at Harvard and the University of Toledo found that people size up strangers in just a few seconds, and rarely change their opinions after that.

If "it's all over in 30 seconds," then spending a lot of time interviewing people and stressing them isn't contributing to the decision process, though it may have other purposes within the team.

>>93674005
Well yeah no shit retard.
Did you really need a peer reviewed harvard study for that?
It's just common sense.

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>>93674005
I can look at a person and in a few seconds instantly tell their policitics, whether I view them as attractive or not, and probable likes and dislikes

>>93674005
So instead of grinding leetcode I should just looksmax?

Suppose the Ringmaster in the movie Dumbo says, "say, the little elephant can fly, and he's holding a feather. Let's get feathers for all the big elephants so they can fly too!"

This is changing the sign to attempt to alter the signified.
It doesn't work.

Some managers attempt to apply Capability Maturity Models this way. Do not dishonor this fine work by using it backward.

Melanesian 'cargo cults' believed that if they built imitation docks, landing strips, and warehouses, the spirits of their dead would bring cargos of modern goods for the cult members. They believed that if they adopted the signs of prosperity, painted their faces white, wore castoff uniforms, and threw their money in the sea, the goods would be delivered.

This is changing signs to attempt to create the signified.
It doesn't work.

If they'd had a checklist, they would have tried to get everything marked off.

>>93674178
It's very tempting to try to measure aspects of the programming process, and to correlate these measurements with quality. People espouse

Style grading by automated source inspection
Program complexity measurement
Mutation testing and fuzzing

The common approach here is to stuff a big load of programs into the blender, puree, strain out the semicolons or whatever, and weigh. In other words, to try to learn something about a big system of programs without actually reading and understanding them all.

This is changing the sign to attempt to alter the signified.
It doesn't work.

The hidden assumption is that "one line of code is like another," or "one programmer is like another." That is, maybe they're not homogeneous, like gravel, but their properties are similar enough to be averaged, and their difference will cancel out in the mass. There is no evidence for this; repeated failures using this theory suggest that it may not be true.

I've been sucked into blender management, and then figured out that I was doing it, and moved on, several times.

>>93673004

Being able to handle people is quite an important skill as an engineer anon. As you grow up and get more experience you will realize that in order to do your job you will have to track people in the company down, ask them for information or to do something for you etc. Usually juniors aren't given this responsibility as much but it's definitely something HR looks out for.

I can't really judge how you are as a person, so my estimation could be way off and this is not at all the core problem. But Its important to remember that when they say you lack experience they often aren't talking about your tech skills but about other skills. All I can advise is, regardless of how dumb itself, try to be chill, give people honest answers (very often admitting you can't do something but being open about it is better than pretending you can) and just in general "be yourself".

It's definitely unfair but that's unfortunately the way having jobs be assigned through a market.

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>work from home
>team lead constantly giving me shit in code reviews and requests changes that simply overcomplicate everything
>start doing the absolute minimum and care less about quality, since team lead will always look for something to criticize anyway
>employer still hasn't fired me
>they have started with subtle remarks in conversations though

>>93674253
>Being able to handle people is quite an important skill as an engineer
It wasn't, until you zoomzooms killed tech. Since it "became important", tech immediately died. Cohencidence I'm sure.

>>93672520
>Do you HAVE to be there 8hrs?
I have to be there 9 hours, because lunch break doesn't count towards our hours, but it does mean I get home really fucking late.
>If these days your boss plans are random and don't really have any activity until the end, can you come in after work for a half day?
I tried, boss mentioned I shouldn't make a habit of that.
>Does your office not have a garage or are you autistic and won't park your car in the city?
Office doesn't have a garage for everyone, we're supposed to rent a spot from the owners of the office building, but it costs more than a train ticket and would be for the full week, so I'd waste 2.5days/week on unused parking.
Also, driving to the nearest train station and taking the train is still faster than driving the entire thing, because traffic jams.

>>93674124
Unironically yes.
The halo effect is very real.
Even getting expensive plastic surgery is very worth it most of the time just because it boosts your career.

>>93674272
Don't bother replying to NEETs anon. Just laugh at their posts and move on.

>>93674260
You did it wrong. You're supposed to do nothing at the beginning so that doing next to nothing looks like a major improvement in productivity. This way you're still really doing nothing but they give you a glowing review anyway.

>>93674264
not exactly. This became a thing when programming became easy enough (with Java and docker deployments) that large organisations could completely digitize their processes and suddenly a large enterprise was no longer one or two applications but thousands. Before you had "the IT department", now you have hundreds of IT departments scattered around the company and you need to do a long search to find the person who owns a particular api so you can call it to build your own application.

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>>93673947
Based Endless Monday enjoyer

>>93674292
I'm the guy he replied to. I'm in the office right now lol. Just wondering if he has any flexibility.

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Will the man in the glass be happier if I climb FAGMAN and be known as social butterfly technocrat or just be a gamedev and contributing here and there to the indie scene?

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>200k layed off engineers roaming the streets
>plus 65k new grads every single year
IT'S FUCKING OVER

>>93674469
You can't ask us, you have to ask him.

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So the pajeet wants my email address to send me the information. The years have made me deeply skeptical of their antics, so I am curious what their angle is here, why do they want my email address?

>>93673947
>craptop connected to the monitor as the pc while having an exec tier xbox hueg table
>bluescreen on auxiliary screen
>sockets a football field away from craptop
>table completely fucking empty
>woman in high ranking position not having shitton of jewelry
whoever drew this needs to kys

>>93674763
what kinds of engineers have been laid off?

>>93673947
>>"I'm a self-taught dev/went to a bootcamp and have no degree, how do I get a tech job?"
>You're fucked.
I did courses on excel (from bottom to VBA), Power BI and DAX, now I'm doing MySQL and Tableau. I had to pirate the courses because I'm a thirdie and poor. I'd like to work as a BI analyst, data analyst, or a database admin. Or maybe a data scientist, I'm ready to learn more.

Am i really fucked? I can't afford any of the certifications (nor can I buy one anyway, I'm Algerian) there's gotta be another way to prove my skills

do you have a backup plan if you get fired and are never ever able to find another job in tech?

>>93674333
No. For a long time even after that, this still wasn't a problem.

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>>93674998
fagman-tier software engineers!
How am I supposed to compete!

Its over.

>>93674998
Anything from juniors who started a month ago to seniors with 10 years of experience. Generally real devs rather than diversity hires, but there's a mix.

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>>93673947
>be me
>working a contract at a mid sized after meta layoff
>company has intermittent outages for a month
>dba in group chat links LTT videos, pic rel
>chuckle to myself and my boss that dba is a noob
>RCA comes out for service outage
>dba installed an eval version of mssql ontop of the prod instance
>eventually license expired and dbs were offlined
>they need to procure emergency licenses for latest version of sql to bring it online
>dba is still employed
I forgot how clown shoes IT is outside of the largest tech companies.

>>93675041
Kek I always chuckle whenever I see this exact fragment from OP cited
You're fucked bro

>>93674998
the bad ones and everybody knows

they keep the good devs of course

>>93675624
>i always chuckle
NEETs larping as successful people on the Mongolian throatsinging forum is sadder than my own situation

>>93674073
I can't guess the politics of women but I have an easy way to guess the politics of men

ugly or short or unsuccessful = left leaning
tall or handsome or successful = right leaning

>>93675202
>>93675227
>>93675634
why though

>>93673947
she looks exactly like me ( •̀ ω •́ )

>>93673947
Bouta become a tech worker in a few days. What am I in for, southern Yurop btw. But for a central yurops big multinational, all in english. The little I've seen from them is that they yryna keep it bleeding edge. I like that.
Front end tester job btw.

Changing jobs and will probably have to give back the herman miller mira chair my current employer provided me. Unfortunately new company wont provide chair (or any stipend), what are some good chairs for home office / gaming? I want something that has or can have a headrest.

>>93675827
Bro ease off the cope and learn to wield

>>93675944
>southern Yurop
what country

>>93676006
Spain

>>93674072
I wouldn't necessarily say looksmax, more like looking the part.

>>93676060
my friend who relocated from spain said that the jobs are chill if you get paid nothing but if it's a good job they will grind you to the bone because there are so few good paying jobs the good ones have way too much competition

>>93675993
>wield
kek eat shit neet

>>93676089
Interesting.

>>93676168
its said in my company that the offices italy, spain, and germany have the worst wlb by a lot. italy and spain because there are no other good jobs so the competition and work hours are way too high. germany because they're overworking autists who expect each other to work themselves to death. germans are despicable.

scandi countries and amsterdam have the best wlb by a lot, then london and brussels and austria are about the same. I don't know anything about the french offices. I hate the french. they are annoying and I would prefer not to know anything about them.

the offices in poland, greece, and portugal I also don't know anything about but they seem cool. switzerland I have heard mixed things. I know for sure very high salaries based on internal spreadsheets and sometimes I hear bad wlb and sometimes I hear ok wlb. maybe depends on team.

>>93675894
All of tech is on hiring freezes + layoffs. Where have you been?

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brehs..... its friday

>>93674873
We get it anon you're so smart and interesting

>>93676153
If everyone responding to your posts critically or negatively is a NEET then why did you even come to this thread? You want a pat on the back? Neck yourself

>>93676311
not in yurop :^)
we straight up coolin here

>>93676273
French have the best wlb. There are even laws that say if you receive an email at 5:01pm, you can just act as if you had never received that email. Also one's own time is very highly prized here, and the typical French WILL drop whatever he's doing, even if it's almost done, or if it's in the middle of something, when the clock strikes. "Vacation is sacred".
Despite that they still manage to make some impressive shit, and that's even though they're handicapped by craptastic investments, tech training, and infrastructure.

>>93676311
middle east is hiring like crazy right now. if you are young and want to earn a downpayment head to dubai for a few years. no income tax and right now there are more jobs than can be filled.

>>93676365
No one that ever worked for anything would make fun of someone trying to get work. And besides, I'm only replying to one guy who's pretending not to be a neet, you're probably him. What do you do for a living anon?

>>93676378
In yurop, too, but depends where. South and eastern are not affected. France is on a rise, rather than cooldown. Rest was shit to begin with so it's merely shittier now rather than catastrophic like in canada or the us.

>>93676429
Yeah, but middle east tech is the worst in the world by a wide margin, even worse than pajeets. The problem is likely mostly education, but their top professionals have an understanding of technical concepts (regardless of area, can be tech or biology, can be research or engineering, etc.) that is on par with the average western middle schooler's, without exaggeration.

>>93676485
nobody goes to dubai expecting to do serious groundbreaking work. you go there because right now there is infinite money that can't find an outlet and you pay no taxes. middle east is the most active market in the entire world right now and they literally can't find places to put all their money.

>>93676529
Why don't they accept remote workers yet?

Is there any language ecosystem with a semi good job market that is stable without having to learn a new meme framework all the time?
I've heard that webshit and java are both hell.

>>93676429
Is that really an option? Do they speak english? What are they looking for and do they pay good?

>>93676311
i quit my angular gig in october last year, im going to be a shop clerk. fuck offices.

>>93676437
>No one that ever worked for anything would make fun of someone trying to get work.
you took it a bit too personally, no one's laughing at you retard, I'm laughing at the fact that every fucking thread there's THIS guy who comes and tries to squeeze water out of the stone.
Just fucking apply and fuck off.
>What do you do for a living anon?
I have a comfy nepotism job where I rewrite old shit in .NET and write new shit in Flutter

>>93676661
According to glassdoor, their pay is a completely joke:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/dubai-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,5_IM954_KO6,23.htm

>3 day weekend
feels good bros

>>93675041
Yes you fucking retard. Unless you secretly have a PhD.

>>93676661
>>93676713
there's great jobs in dubai and there's slave jobs. if you look at the average salary it's bad but if you look at the average salary in major companies for western immigrants it's very good. if you have a degree from a recognizable school and a western passport you are in very good shape.

>>93676713
remember that you pay no tax over that
6k per month on average net is pretty good

you're not comparing yourself to the average engineer though, are you anon?

>>93676801
Give examples because I can't find any from a quick search. Also what do you mean by recognizable? Ivy league only?

>>93676816
No, it's bottom of the barrel absolute trash. I get twice that post tax as is.

>>93675140
Bump

>>93676816
Pay never has and never will be distributed as per talent or quality of work.

>>93676914
>t. too afraid and spergy to demand boss for more pay/promotion

>>93676885
>american
no country is beating american tech salaries

>>93676959
And they never will.

Learn flutter.

>>93676959
Yes. Some can get close enough, including germany, netherlands and switzerland, although taxes drain some of that in the former two. But the problem is that dubai barely or doesn't give me a higher post-tax salary than I'd get in a low-paying country like france or austria despite lower quality of life and no chance to work on something meaningful, which does matter in the long run, all the while making future travel forever harder because if you ever go to any middle eastern country, most countries mark you as a potential terrorist (except if you go to israel, then you get marked by every muslim country as a persona non grata).

Learn Cobol.

3 hour daily commute and no home office
I am so fucking done

>>93677064
That's a meme. The only cobol jobs are for senior cobol devs and above, and they pay like shit even by entry level standards.

>>93677095
what's going to happen when those cobol seniors die and they can't find replacements because they never hired juniors?

>>93677152
systems will be rewritten in some other boomer tech like java

>>93677049
the only country that even comes close to american tech salaries is switzerland, germany and netherlands are below half

TGIF, amirite fellas?

I'm a terribly lazy as shit intern who can't even keep on top of shit.

>>93677351
lule

>>93677235
Germany salaries on average are just half, but there's a MASSIVE gap between the well paid roles and the average role, which is how german salaries can in fact be equivalent to american ones.
netherlands is similar, but with the additional caveat that only a native dutch is allowed to have those well-paying roles (they're very xenophobic in that regard. Good for them.), and it doesn't go quite as high. Still high enough to compete with tier 2 US states.

>>93677420
its less than half and the taxes are higher. if you want to compare only good jobs then the us salaries are 3-4x higher, and more after taxes.

>>93677486
High-end dev jobs in germany give you a tc of €184,470. That's $197,853.30 at the current low exchange rate, more when the EUR goes back up relative to the USD.

>>93677521
high end dev jobs in the bay are 500-600k.

Why do you need so much money anyway? American salaries are the exception not the norm
>inb4 cope

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Any of you have to deal with 42Crunch or am I alone in it on /g/

>>93677558
free healthcare costs 400k in yurop

>tfw wife is american but she doesnt want to move back
>could be rolling in $$$ right now

>>93676712
Sorry for taking it personally. I just worked so hard and it's literally the only reason I'm going at the point, to stop being a poorfag and start fucking living

Was thinking of doing a portfolio on PBI and Tableau, get a data set in SQL, connect it etc then model it and voila, a report. I'm not paying 80 dollars for a certification i can barely afford gym

>>93677521
according to levels.fyi top 10% income in germany for a swe is $116K. in the bay it is $408K. in the netherlands it is $149K. in seattle it is $350K.

>>93673947
Are you supposed to nail every technical interview question? I think i got like 17 out of 20 questions right. But on those 3 I failed i just did not know what to say at all. It was a bit awkward. Hopefully they'll ignore it

>>93677635
switzerland top 10% is 305K. as I said, the ONLY country that comes close to american salaries.

>>93677558
Not in normal circumstances. Bay area jobs usually get you 175k-250k.

>>93677654
kek what kind of technical interviews are you getting with 20 questions? nigga here doing a whole midterm exam

>>93677682
Can you read he said high end

My company is implementing Dells and I'm responsible for the project. Nice.

>>93677654
If your test isn't leetcode, then inperson leetcode, with an unhealthy amount of hr and other commies all around, you already failed.

>>93677682
in normal circumstances in germany you get less than half of that. anon just claimed that in germany you actually earn 200k even though the average is 80k. if you want to compare averages, germany is less than half. if you want to compare top 10% germany is less than a third. if you want to compare top 1% germany is less than one fifth.

>>93677712
High end != single tippy top company. You can also get 480k euros in germany if you use this metric.
https://techpays.eu/europe/germany#

feels good not giving a fuck about money

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r8 resume, please
4th year cs students with internships, did 2 years of full time work before uni

>>93677809
that's why you look at income quantiles to compare like to like. I guess this is beyond your average german's mental capabilities.

>>93677818
Don’t put Anon at the top, put your full name.

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If I take a job just to get a few weeks of paid training in Kubernetes and AWS, then just quit once it's finished, would it be better to just not list that on my resume afterwards, and say I was still "job searching" during that time?

>>93677818
woah you know agile scrum you're hired

>>93677818
I really like how it's formatted. Are you having issues finding work? I thought the millisecond you added "React" to your resume, companies would be itching to interview

>>93677818
why do you have internships after a 2 year full time position

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>>93677895
w-what if that is my real name?

>>93677920
Started uni after the 2 year position, after 2nd year got into my schools co-op program, so it was one term study, one term work. on my last study term before graduation atm

>>93677835
Ironic

>>93677699
I dont know man. This was very awkard. Interviewer had his webcam turned off and I showed up with mine on. He gave the driest answers and basically no feedback too. I was really uncomfortable and i think it showed. These were sysadmin/devops questions, i could answer most of them.

>>93677818
Only way you could do better is if you had fagman for your jobs in there, really. Even if you cut the 2 years of work you managed to do before you went to school (nepotism?), it would still be as good as it could get. If you didn't have such a basically perfect resume, you could stand to add github and personal projects, but at this point it will just be bloat.

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>flipped a coin to see if a should order a pizza or not
>lost the flip
>still want to order
I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOM!

>>93678005
It was not a real interview, they just did it for the form because they had someone in mind they wanted to promote internally.

>>93678055
That's what i thought kek. I thought, maybe the interviewer is also an autist like me, or maybe this is already decided and i'm wasting my time.

>>93678044
shut up faggot

>>93678044
You have to abide by the rules of the coin, anon.

>>93678044
in the witcher 3 there's a line that says when you flip a coin and feel your desire while it is in the air you know what your true choice was all along

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>>93677919
I only recently started applying, atm aiming for 3-5 applications a day. Kind of a weird timing for me since I graduate in the fall rather than in the summer like most, so not seeing as many new grad postings.
Applying mainly on LinkedIn

>>93673947
>friday
>meeting with seniors and testing for some issue
>we might have to scrub everything
>2 sprints of changes to the trash
Im so fucking tired, I've been doing the minimum for 2 years now, the company just layed off ~200 last month and somehow Im still here kek.

>>93673947
How much do you work on your skills in your free time?

>>93678331
0% until last week.
Started working on an online store project for a cousin.

>>93678155
3-5 isn't bad at all. I come from a cybersec background so I can't say specifically what you're missing, if you're not getting any bites, but if you want my opinion on some goals to work towards, look into exploring some AWS shit. Stephane Maarek has some good learning material on Udemy if that's your thing. He's not a street shitter either so you'll be able to understand what he's saying. HR will ask why you spent so little time at your 3 most recent companies and why there are gaps in your employment (I am assuming those are just the internships,) so I would be prepared for that at the very least. If you don't have a good answer, or if you were fired or something, just say you had to take an extended sabbatical to care for a sick family member.

I want a remote job that gets me into tech but I don't even know where to start or what to learn. Where should I even begin?

>>93678487
What's your degree?

>>93678504
I have a high school degree if that counts.

>>93678487
best of luck to you, I have a relevant BA, several certs, and 6 yoe and I still can't find anything remote for what I want to do - you'd better have an impressive portfolio if you're talking about getting into SWE

>>93678546
you're FUCKED

>>93678546
Please read the op >>93673947

>>93678546
Well you're the same my boat. Just make a big ass portfolio with many skills and you'll be set

>>93678193
oh no not the heckin sprinterinos and shit code

>>93678487
Start by getting a CS degree and 5 years of experience.

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I have a remote job with only 1 year of experience get on my level

>>93678732
inb4 for $10 an hour in the czeck (these digits) republic.

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See I told you AI would replace the easy jobs first instead of the high paying ones!!!

>>93679053
I can't wait to have a chatbot tell me my input violates input guidelines

>>93673947
Anyone here has experience working as front end QA for a big company? Junior role.

>>93679132
yes, what do you want to know?

>>93679132
QA was my first job
miserable reptitive work, for hours on end
you're basically a factory worker

>>93679147
>>93679214
How do I get a girlfriend? Preferably one who is always horny and thinks of nothing except satisfying my cock. Please give your advice strictly from the perspective of working as front end QA for a big company in a junior role.

>>93679147
Everything I should know. I would like to ace this and transition to back end in .NET/PHP/Spring asap.
Note, I'm very scared to not make it past the n months trial.

>>93679233
I'm sorry, but as a large language data model I'm not allowed to answer inappropriate questions. Is there anything else I can help you with?

>>93678450
I'll check him out anon
I've been thinking of transitioning to cybersec, as general software eng is very saturated, how difficult is it? any other resources you'd recommend for it?

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tech market heating up

>>93678769
Actually I am in sri lanka and it is more than enough money here

>>93679355
investors love layoffs

it seems like most of my rejections come after 1.5 weeks. after that most jobs ghost.

if i get a callback it's within 3 days of application.

that resemble anyone else's experience?

>>93679355
we're so back

>>93679359
Called it lmao

>slack huddles
>scheduled messages
it's like every day, my boss discovers a new way to annoy me

>>93679387

I got my current fagman job after waiting for a callback for 3 months. Sometimes it just takes time. WAGMI

>>93679431
>scheduled messages
>message wagies every 2-3 hours randomly to keep them on their toes
unfathomably based

>>93679387
Yeah, that's about the same for me.

>finished cs during covid start
>started working full stack, total 4 years of experience
>currently a lead dev on startup in fucking europe
>team is 3 junior developers that ask million of questions
>their pull requests always get rejected because of shit problems like bad thought functions or queries that will blow up our servers
>bosses keep complaining that we don't pump out enough features
>product manager complains that we're not productive
>shit salary
i'll either leave or kill myself at this point

>>93679456
the problem is, i do more, higher-quality work than both my poo colleagues combined. i don't need (((daily standups))) and random unscheduled meetings throughout the day, especially not for 75% of my market value. it's just annoying and insulting

>>93679518
>it's just annoying and insulting
yeah but what is some mediocre middle manager going to do to look like they actually work otherwise

>>93679552
he's a lead developer who can't code, who loves to talk and doesn't know how to read diffs. the amount of times i've been cut off trying to explain some simple concept, because an impromptu meeting where i share my editor screen and narrate the code is somehow preferable to just reviewing a PR, is astounding. the worst part of these shitty little meetings, is that is takes 15-30 minutes for him to explain nothing and say, "i dunno man, just trace the code back from here"

>>93673947
bros I think I will move to Switzerland
Their fucking salaries are insane compared to slavshit I live in
wtf they are basically as high as in USA and the taxes aren't high
I gotta learn German or French fuck this shit

>>93679703
what makes you think you're good enough for switzerland?

>>93679728
Ummm I have a PhD?

I haven't had a salary review for over 2 years, should i just move company

>>93679728
I have no idea if I am good enough, I am an EE and only 2 years experience so I am not in a hurry
but after few more years of experience at least I can try

>>93679233
tinder or an active mixed group of friends (guys and girls)

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>>93679703
yeah but be prepared to pay 4x the price for things

>>93679703
>slavshit
are you eu?

>>93679862
>4x the price
>100x the salary
What's not to like?

>>93679862
>2016
different world since then. wonder what it's like today.
>numbeo
also wonder what it's like if it used real data.

>>93679236
hmm
youre gonna manually click around in the web app but you probably also will be required to write automated frontend QA tests - i used selenium and then i switched to webdriver because it was more fitting to the project.
for the manual stuff, look into:

equivalence class partitioning
boundary value analysis
state transition testing

also make sure you are familiar with scrum stuff

>>93679874
yes
>>93679862
doesn't fucking matter, the salaries in my profession are literally more than 5 times higher than here, and the tax percentage is lower overall
>>93679878
this

>>93679310
Honestly it depends on what you want to do and where you want to work. If you're interested in cybersec, your programming background would suit you well. You'll have to learn some administration but you should be able to pick up on scripting pretty easily. You'll need a 10k foot view of how data travels from client to server, networking knowledge would also help. Once you're in, you can optimize the environment and kind of relax - most of what I do is remediation patching and vulnerability scans, it's pretty relaxing.

>>93680055
poland I guess? good luck to you bro. as a slav living in north and west europe I always felt like an outsider. I think it helps when my hair is a bit longer and I don't have that short hair slav look. swiss definitely look down on us. but you can have a good life here. you can get by with just english in zurich, especially at the better companies.

>>93680105
>be Algerian
>want to move to Poland and escape Algeria
>be Polish
>want to move to Switzerland and escape Poland

I speak french but I'd still rather die than be surrounded by western europeans

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>>93673947
Happy Friday to all my RTO bros

reminder that the west sees slav engineers as the pajeets of europe

Do any of you work in a non SWE job in IT?

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>coworker from another team asks me a one question yesterday
>answer it on team
>she shoots me a question every hour now on my WFH day today
Why are THEY like this? Even if I ghost and don't reply she'll keep shooting questions.

>>93680234
just put on mute and close the lid
literally what is the problem???

>>93680184
I was on a flight from cph to gva a year ago and was talking to this danish woman about her travels in europe recently. I guess she thought I was american or something from my accent and was just trash talking poland the entire time. she had gone to some event in katowice and was laughing at how she said everyone in denmark sees poland as the armpit of europe and how she found out it was true but actually understated. I have so many memories of people speaking poorly of where I grew up. western euros really do look down on us slavs. it kind of hurts my soul but ultimately I left the east so what can I stand on.

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>>93680250
THEY are gonna rat me out to my manager that I'm not a team player. THEY (another person) did it before.
So fucking annoying.

>>93679491
Program less, manage more. Try to make them feel accountable for the lack of output. Make them work with you on real objectives. Negotiate with the facts that you can't fix a junior team and they are an investment for the future. Proudly lead a team into a better version of themselves.

Or just leave for a different place. 4yoe should find decent opportunities, idk the country but I'm southern eu and am doing fine (I'm still a junior but I think I am half decent).

Or

>>93680283
its a dog eat dog world out there, americans look down on us western europeans

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What kind of "relevant experience" is equivalent to a PhD?
Will a publication and 6 months as an RA do?

>>93680037
roger, thx pham

I think I'm just gonna give up and leave the industry at this point, the only people hiring are globohomo and the industry is flooded with le FAGMAN resumes

>>93680287
>>93680234
gettin' some mileage out of that cat reaction image there

>>93680321
my experience is americans love western euros and assume that western europe is a paradise with no problems and the same salaries of america.

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My manager is leaving and for some reason, since I have the most experience with talking to external and internal teams and clients, they're making me acting manager.

The thing is though I hate my fucking team and I've been just carrying the work through sheer tenacity of hoping my manager would fire the deadbeats. How the fuck am I suppose to manage people I have no respect or expectations for?

>>93680287
rat you out on what? just tell them youre busy, you need to set boundaries anon.

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>>93680404
I don't know why they do it but they don't accept "no" as an answer and fuck I wanna put my foot down. If I fucking say no I'm busy. Don't fucking ask me the next day to do it. Go ask someone else but NOOOOO. I swear to God they're like lemmings. If nobody spoonfeeds them they'll drag you down. What's THEIR problem?!!!

>>93680367
you clearly havent posted in /twg/ long enough

>>93680333
one more thing from the top of my dome

many companies use the atlassian web apps - confluence and jira. since you will be part of one of the software teams, jira will become your friend. try to get your hands on a jira tutorial on the web. especially look into scrum boards and creating tickets because you will be creating lots of bug tickets into the scrum board of your team. i had to write bug tickets like this:

1. step by step click path to the discovered bug
2. describe the false web app behaviour
3. describe which correct behaviour was expected

>>93680180
- Why?
- Why don't you stay there then?

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This month i started to work for a European company. Man, it's just strange how things are different here wtf. I've worked for American and South American companies before and i can confirm that European companies are the best.
Everything is so damn well organized here, it's really different from all the companies I've worked before.

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Why is this fucking site so diverse? It annoys me for some reason. 4chan belongs to North Americans only.

>>93680515
this website is literally owned by a nip

>>93680330
No. They would expect 4-5 years of actual research experience, can be industry or academic research (which typically will never happen without nepotism or actually having the PhD or going for a PhD and then dropping out of it). RA does not involve research (even though there's research in the title and some of the tasks you may do could be related in some obtuse way, depending on where specifically you were an RA, but good luck making anyone believe this). "A" publication also doesn't get you anywhere, the most minimum standard for a PhD is 2 publications as first author in journals having an IF of at least 3 in most STEM disciplines (in CS, it's often in high-impact conferences instead, and usually 3 publications as first author).

>>93680544
For North Americans. Not for dirty fucking European scum.

>>93680515
It's 4channel.org, not 4channel.us.

>>93680573
where does it say that

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>>93680608
>>93680578
I fucking hate Europeans. Rip and tear.

>>93680544
white pig go home

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i know this may be a silly question but i'm an autistic retard who keeps to himself (ie no friends) and am pretty new to all of this. but does this board accurately reflect the state of affairs in the tech industry? you guys seem to clown on selftaught devs and IT noobs with only an A+ or all of CompTIA's trivium, but does the industry really think feel the same about these type of candidates?

>>93680435
twg is one of the very few places I have seen people understand the drawbacks of living in europe. your average american doesn't understand europe any better than their impression on their vacation and some idea that healthcare is free and everything is nice. americans simply do not understand that their salaries are unusually high and their cost of living is low.

>>93680367
Your experience is obviously exclusive to redd!t. Speaking of which, GO BACK.

>>93680515
you're literally ESL fucking nigger

I don't know how tf I pulled it out, but in an technical interview I managed to pull a "rematch", they gave me a list of topics to refresh and I'll have a new interview about them lol
I must have been in the very edge between fail and pass.

>>93675041
get off 4chan
go grind your skills
create real projects
be able to speak about them
get hired in your home country or one close to it
also data analysis is being automated away as we speak

>stupid ESL fucker trying to go into data
I hope you seriously die.

>>93681045
All dataniggers should die anyway. The only data-adjacent niggers that should get a pass are statsniggers and MLniggers.

>>93675600
Is there no change control? How the fuck could he install eval license and not real one?

>>93680732
Tech is high risk high reward. If you want a cushy well paying remote job, it's very achievable after a few years and good luck getting anywhere close to as good in any other field lol.
But you're gonna have to hustle and go through a brutal job search at the entry level to get there.

So this board is partially true, but it also partially self-selects for ppl who are struggling. I know I wouldn't be spending my time on here if I already had a decent job. So you'll hear all the horror stories, but not what the average person goes through.

>>93681095
tech is really not high risk high reward. it's low to medium low risk high reward. high risk high reward is trading or trying to break into high finance or working at startups or shit like that.

>>93675041
You are fine DA jobs are piss easy.
You need to be able to do two things:
1 understand numbers
2 explain numbers to retards in management

Here is how to get there:
1 Get a non analyst job office job in med/large Corp
2 Wait for boss to ask I need some numbers about X
3 offer help
4 deliver numbers
5 repeat until you are defacto analyst
6 ???
7 profit

>>93681122
Idk. At the junior level it definitely feels that way rn.

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Is there anything beyond A+ you need to know for a helpdesk coordinator position? My soft skills are all good

>>93680234
Incompetent people will grab on every straw they can.

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>>93673947
It's 5 o'clock on a Friday,
I should be out screwing your mothers.
But there's one big left in the backlog,
And I'm not going out until it's done.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jxi0ETwDvws

>>93681327
How good are you at eating pussy?

>>93681134
This is an 18+ site, kid. Your delusions from not being through with highschool yet are not welcome here.

>>93680430
Don't say no, just ignore chats. You can answer two days later. Being busy is a thing anon.

>>93675865
jokes on you i'm ugly and right leaning

>>93680732
Dude it's 4chan, it's a catchment of social retards. We are absolutely not representative of the industry.

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>>93674447
Where does this meme about bartenders talking to you come from? They usually get creeped out by me or something and give me shit service and just serve girls. I don't even go to bars because of this. Were boomers just nicer to each other?

>>93681372
Fag, I am a senior data engineer.
10+ years in data industry.
Getting a data analyst job is possible easy. They give those to any retard who can explain what numbers mean to.boomers in management.

>>93681444
Boomers really were nicer to each other, but it was still always a huge meme. You are too much of a retard to have ever realized that though.

>>93681068
Ha ha !
You clearly don't know that without data warehousing you company will company will gring to a fucking halt and MLniggas can't do shit without someone cleaning data for them.

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>>93681500
>You are too much of a retard to have ever realized that though
That was uncalled for

>>93681444
boomers come from a society that was 90% white and people stayed closer to their hometown.

>>93681516
>>93681483
>>>/r/eddit/

>>93681444
If you are regular, then it may be more okay than if you are just some rando.

>>93681525
Just calling a spade a spade, anon. Nothing personal.

>>93681327
You can try:
Generic call center -> SaaS support -> General helpdesk

SaaS support are basically helpfedk for like a single service.

good night sirs, see you on tuesday and enjoy your long weekend :)

>>93681541
Cope faggot.

>>93678044
1) Dough
2) Ball of mozarella cheese
3) San marzano tomato sauce (pick the most expensive can)
4) pepperonis / ham / pineapple, whatever you put on your pizza
5) roll out the dough, put sauce on it, break up the cheese and put it all over, toppings etc. put it in the oven at 400 for like 30 mins idk. Incorporate garlic for the best pizza of your life.

>>93680557
>RA does not involve research (even though there's research in the title and some of the tasks you may do could be related in some obtuse way, depending on where specifically you were an RA, but good luck making anyone believe this).
This is such bullshit.

Is there anyone that says the word "fresher" that isn't poo?

>>93681678
Most "RA" positions involve doing shit like entering purchase info in the schools' bespoke expense software, updating the lab website when a student's status changes, sitting in an interview to help the prof form an opinion on the applicants by letting him bounce ideas off you, inventorying and downloading data and experiment results, and other administrative tasks completely unrelated to research.
If you're very lucky, it will be one step closer to research by involving doing things like writing scripts to automate analysis pipelines, writing scripts to download data, writing scripts to clean up, analyze or otherwise process data, etc.
If you're in the top 0.01% of RA jobs, you will be allowed to be the prof's little bitch and do menial manipulations in the lab: pipette this, pcr that, measure this, write a library for that, etc. That's still not research, though. That is, as the title indicates, research ASSISTANCE.

>>93680321
i don't think about you at all

>>93674873
Craptop is powered by The usb-c connection to the monitor. The monitor draws power from the desk.

This is just the new normal.

Also jewelry is very much a location based thing. Some places women go to work to you know... work.

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>>93676419
Scandis do not need such a law.
The French do...

>>93682090
Scandis love being used like cocksleeves, be it by their boss or government. They do need such a law, but they'd never dare admit, or even THINK of wanting, it.

>>93676419
france hasn't made any technological contribution to society in 500 years

>>93680394
By firing the deadbeats?

>>93682472
2 of the 3 'fathers of deeplearning' are French. I only mention this first because you're obviously tech illiterate.
Other notable inventions include the bezier curve and the hsl colorspace. Datagrams and CYCLADES, the basis of TCP/IP, was also French,
The smart card, and in general any card with a chip on it, is a French invention, as are the programming languages Eiffel, Caml, OCaml, Ada, Prolog, Coq, and countless other notable ones.
Even the camera phone was invented by the French.

Hell, the first microcomputer, the MICRAL, was invented by a Frenchman, in France, as was the modern calculator.

>>93682874
ok? when a field is new it's easy to create "new" inventions in it because everyone is just doing random shit and the same ideas are often shared. Do you want me to list out the "contributions" of india and china too? Because I bet they made their own network and programming languages too.

>>93682956
Kek the backpedal!
You are using French technology to make this shitpost. HTTP and WWW were both invented by French scientists at CERN. The first car was also a French invention for that matters.

>now the EVP two steps away from the CEO is personally invested in my project
why is this happening, I'm literally still in training, sure I got the position because I had a good idea but what the fuck

>>93682991
>Development of HTTP was initiated by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN in 1989.
>he is an English computer scientist best known as the inventor of the World Wide Web.
> Earlier accounts often gave credit to Karl Benz, from Germany, for creating the first true automobile in 1885/1886.

lol lying frenchman. just admit it, the only good thing your country is good for is surrendering and letting in hundreds of thousands of migrants

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>>93683054
>people close to the CEO start remembering your face and name
how do I lay low bros?

>>93683090
Oof, history revisionism as usual by the perfidious anglo. Bet you also think that the wright brothers invented the airplane. LOL!

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>>93683254
look at these indian inventions an indian told me india invented!

>>93683291
Only an anglo could be so hopelessly retarded that he'd fail to understand what it is he is even posting (namely, a misbehaving amerilard algorithm's epic fail in data mining and machine reading comprehension). A veritable self-own far beyond the meager brain capacity of the burgeristani.

>>93683252
Whatever you do don't be standoffish. If you don't like them, you need to move positions or companies. Maintain your reputation though.

Software engineers, what do you guys wear to virtual interviews? It's common knowledge that tech interviews are very lax in terms of dress code, but does that mean you should just wear a hoodie because you can? I've done a lot of interviews in that last year and a half, and I've worn a hoodie for most of them, but I think I get better results when I don't. I have no metrics to support that, it's just a vibe or whatever bro. What do you think? I'm more comfortable in a hoodie but it when I think about it, it seems like I obviously be wearing a button down.

>>93683450
I like dressing up just a notch. It shows whoever is interviewing me that I'm taking the role seriously IMO.

>we need you to work on weekends

What do I do?

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2 1/2 months after being laid off and I finally got a job. It's contract to hire and now I'm making $15k/yr more. Thank Christ I'm out of this gay ass market.

>>93683450
It depends on the company and sector more than anything. It's actually WORSE to overdress than to underdress (within reasonable limits). "he came in wearing a suit, what a tool!" kind of deal.

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its over for typescriptsisters......

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Give me the diagnosis, am I hosed? Was having a FAANG job a requirement to get senior level positions? I just want a senior level position at a publicly traded company.

>>93684278
>8 years
>not senior
wtf.....

>>93683921
based PHP, kill the planet!

Any else notice indian niggas always say "double #" when reading out a string of numbers? Like instead of "five five" they say "double five"

>>93684608
yeah they do do that

>>93684278
fix the typos

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>>93683921
wtf is wrong people linkedin people

I take the ccna in 2 weeks. How hard is it and what should I really know? I know IPv6 multicast addresses, eui-64, and some other bs

>>93684825
hope you got gud at subnetting

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What do I put on a resume if I have literally never had a job before? I don’t want to have to make a family member or friend fake being a past employer either.

>>93684897
Subnetting is the easiest part for me since I already knew binary and what ANDing is

>>93684898
Relevant projects

>>93684898
>I don’t want to have to make a family member or friend fake being a past employer either.
Sissy bitch

>>93684713
What typos!?!

>>93684278
You should have made senior years ago with this. Your resume isn't all that well written but it shouldn't matter that much. You should actually apply for lead roles or management at this point to try to skip senior because for all you know you're having problems turning senior because you're 'overqualified'.

>>93684296
The currentl company I work for does not do promotion like that. I've got Sr level responsibilities but no title or pay to match that.

>>93685132
>isn't all that well written
Is it really that bad?! I got a ton of interviews the last time I was applying for jobs so i figured that style was fine. I recently started applying to staff/principle roles, I guess I can add lead/manager to the pool.

>>93685115
How hard can it be to open Word and hit the F7 key?

>>93683875
No one is talking about wearing a suit, retard.

>A button down is definitely not overdressed, but a hoodie has the potential to be underdressed, so always wear a button down, if you don't want to make a bad impression

I've been wearing hoodies to all my interviews but I'm starting to realize that might not be the best idea, and I'm looking for people to tell me that the reason I keep failing interviews is because I'm wearing a hoodie, fucking retard

>>93685202
I don't have MS word. I copy/pasted that whole thing into a google doc just now and it did not highlight any typos except for ones in the commented out notes.

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>>93685279
If you say so.

>>93685360 Yeah fine, the apostraphe is awkward. Blame wall street for calling it plural by default. I'll rephrase that to avoid the situation.

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This is my endgame from tech working

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>>93685166
It's not bad, which is why I said it's "not all that well written" as opposed to "it's terribly written".
> I recently started applying to staff/principle roles, I guess I can add lead/manager to the pool.
Good luck

>>93685264
>unable to comprehend text except in the most literal of ways
>calls anyone at all a retard
heh

>self-taught?
>you're fucked
if you're seriously looking for a job, and over the stale memes, just go to reddit. although it's pretty cringe every now and then, there are far less bitter gatekeepers browsing their board and an even greater number of entry level workers finding jobs.

but if you're fond of the crabs in a bucket mentality then stick around.

>>93685658
k
dont come back

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I just realized that all of the women my company CEO hired for HR, sales, and other management roles all look the same... Thin, brunette, wear glasses...

>>93678155
konrad group are a bunch of niggers

>>93685688
I'd bet my house that's how his mother looked too.

>>93679734
you have a poopy hairy dog? gtfo

>>93685658
its true. on r/girlsgonewired yesterday there was a post of some girl in some bootcamp saying theres only positions, even unpaid, for at most 10% of the bootcampshitters. theyre not even smart, cs grads have at least been filtered long and through for IQ

>>93685788
oh wait forget that self taught are a different breed than bootcampshitters. self taught are pretty damn smart and self motivated if they make it through. I would take a self taught with original projects over a bootcampshitter any day

>>93685658
lol
>>93685806
Too bad you're not in charge of hiring, child.

>>93683921
C chads, we are winning big

>dont like what im doing
>dont know where else to go
what do i do now guys

>>93685846
bet youre unemployed u shitter. FAANG will never hire you

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>>93683252
this is my situation as well lol. i'm just helping out and somehow i'm on all the seniors radars for no reason and they're all weird and i just want to live a quiet life and disappear and be gone gone gone gone gone quiet silent under the hood. i dont care about politics. i just want a bit more money and not do anythin.g

>>93681345
oh hey that's me

>>93681371
Great
>>93681573
Nah, I mean I have no experience but I was offered an interview for helpdesk coordinator, think it'll fly?

Have (you) worked for the Army Corps of Engineers? My background is in automation controls and I'm considering moving towards maintenance since engineering is beyond me at the current time. I know this thread is more for IT personnel, should I take this to /k/?

I got an invitation to do one of those shitty screening assessments but I have 0 motivation to even look at it. I might as well just keep my shitty job because the one I applied to almost seems equally shitty.

>>93686122
an hero

>>93685806
There's "john carmack programming since 3 years old" self taught and then there's "joe bob works at wendy's and watched a tiktoker saying you can make six figures without a degree" self taught

>>93686887
>"john carmack programming since 3 years old" self taught
Literally me

I haven't been getting any traction on my LinkedIn applications lately and I am not sure why. But, I just remembered that things changed roughly around the time I made my LinkedIn profile picture visible to connections only. Who would've thought my ugly mug made me more of an attractive candidate for recruiters.

>>93687062
If you don't have a picture, it makes you look like a bot or something equally undesirable. Even if you're the ugliest motherfucker on the planet, it's better to actually have a photo.

the real stuff we should talk about here is, it's okay to date a coworker? what's the best way to go about it without making things awkward?

>>93687401
don't shit where you eat, bruv

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CS grad here been looking for a job

how do I learn shit you'd only learn at a job?
like deploying shit on azure and managing code
the closest thing I know is github
obviously excluding shit you learn in classes

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What do you guys do when you don't got anything to do ALL DAY?

>>93687543
buy azure and deploy shit to it,
or free amazon lambda

IDK THE MANAGING CODE PART BUT YUP

>>93673947
So is it worth it for me to go back to college to get my BS in Computer Science with a focus on Cybersecurity? I'm 23 and have been heavily considering it - dropped out of college and landed a job that my uncle got me through connections and then lost the job due to unfortunate events.. Having trouble finding a hire since I don't have a degree.

>>93687720
maybe do paid internships first no one's fucking hiring these days

>>93687758
But where do I even find those, I've mostly been searching on Indeed but their job recommendation algorithm is retarded. I have 1.5 years of experience listed and it always suggests senior level roles.

A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgeon. As she laid her pet on the table, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to the bird's chest.

After a moment or two, the vet shook his head and sadly said, "I'm sorry, your duck, Cuddles, has passed away."

The distressed woman wailed, "Are you sure?"

"Yes, I am sure. Your duck is dead," replied the vet.

"How can you be so sure?" she protested. "I mean you haven't done any testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something."

The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room. He returned a few minutes later with a black Labrador Retriever. As the duck's owner looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. He then looked up at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head.

The vet patted the dog on the head and took it out of the room. A few minutes later he returned with a cat. The cat jumped on the table and also delicately sniffed the bird from head to foot. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the room.

The vet looked at the woman and said, "I'm sorry, but as I said, this is most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck."

The vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill, which he handed to the woman. The duck's owner, still in shock, took the bill.

"$150!" she cried, "$150 just to tell me my duck is dead!"

The vet shrugged, "I'm sorry. If you had just taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20, but with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan, it's now $150."

An old man, a boy and a donkey were going to town. The boy rode on the donkey, and the old man walked.

As they went along they passed some people who remarked, "What a shame, the old man is walking, the boy is riding."

The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions.

Later they passed some people who remarked, "What a shame, he makes that little boy walk."

So they decided they'd both walk.

Soon they passed some more people who remarked, "They're really stupid to walk when they have a decent donkey to ride."

So they both decided to ride the donkey.

They passed some people who shamed them by saying, "How awful to put such a load on a poor donkey."

The boy and the man figured they were probably right, so they decide to carry the donkey.

As they crossed the bridge, the donkey gave a big sneeze; they lost their grip on the donkey, the donkey fell into the river and drowned.

The moral of the story: If you try to please everyone, you might as well kiss your ass goodbye.

>>93687825
Actually FUck that, I"M FUCKED, it requires a degree in progress to even get a paid internship.

I'm applying to college lol

My employer is trying to make me a jr sysadmin since the old one left but I just want to be an advanced service analyst...
I know it's good for my career but I don't want the additional pressure
Thoughts?

>>93688824
>>93688824
>>93688824