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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)
State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped

>NEWS
RTX 4060 Ti 8GB (AD106, $400 MSRP) release date May 24
RTX 4060 Ti 16GB (AD106, $500 MSRP) and RTX 4060 (AD107, $300 MSRP) slated for July

>CPUS
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105, R5 5600G
Budget Gaming: i3 12100/F, i5 13400/F
Gaming: i5 13600K, R7 7800X3D, R7 5800X3D
Multicore: R9 7950X; budget: i5 13500, i7 13700

>GPUS
1080p: RX 6700 XT, RTX 3060; budget: RX 6600; ultra budget: used GTX 1660 Super
1440p: RTX 4070, RTX 4070 Ti, RX 6950 XT, RX 6800 XT
2160p: RTX 4090, RTX 4080, RX 7900 XTX ; budget: RTX 3090 (Ti), RX 6950 XT
Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 3090, RTX 4090

>RAM
DDR4: 2x 16GB 3600 MT/s CL18
DDR5: 2x 16GB 6000 MT/s CL30 (Zen4) 6400 MT/s CL32 (13th Gen)

>COOLERS
Standout: Peerless Assassin 120
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>PSUS
Aim for 50-75% PSU utilization at full system load
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>SSDS
Standout: WD SN770, Kingston KC3000
Avoid: cheapest NVMe SSDs
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>MOTHERBOARD INFO:
AM4 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature advisable with Ryzen 5000
LGA1700 B660/Z690 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature required with Core 13th gen

>GAMING MONITORS
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4D

Prev: >>93665400
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Literally no one wants to buy Nvidia’s RTX 4060
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>>93672430
It's over in taiwanese
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>>93672430
how bout now
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Is Nvidia ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 V2 OC Edition for 219$ worth it? I'm upgrading from Nvidia Gefore GTX 1070 Ti.
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Day 51 of waiting for A620 ITX mobos. Will Computex finally answer my prayers?
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>>93672445
taiwan is a lie
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>>93672482
12gb yes 8gb no
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>>93672558
It's 12GB, I somehow missed to add that. Isn't the other model better even if it has less memory?
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>>93672590
Idk that. I remember amd unboxed shitting on it so I thought it was bad. Tpu puts it at same performance so who knows.
Regardless my recommendation is based on the extra vram at 219$
If it's 8gb you should either get the 7600 or w8 for the 4060
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1440p, mostly CPU intensive MMOs, occasional triple A but don't mind scaling down or lowering details. RTX 2060 died, any reason not to buy an Arc A750 for 200€?
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>>93672672
I would get the arc if it was actually that cheap
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>>93672710
I can get it for 240 €, then VAT refund (19%) meaning I'd effectively pay 201.69 €
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I have a home lab/media storage PC that I need to buy new drives for and maybe an aftermarket cooler for. Specs:
>CPU: intel i5-3550 @ 3.30 GHz (stock cooler)
>Ram: 16 GB DDR3
>Mobo: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX
>Storage: Only 1 small intel SSD with win 10 on it right now

I think I want a mix of HDDs and SSDs. I want to do some virtualization for learning/testing purposes. I think my ram is OK but I'd be interested in a 32GB kit if I get really into it. And Mass storage for tv/movies etc on a separate drive most like. Any recommendations?
Wildcard questions:
Video/Sound/Wireless card? Are these at all useful for what's going to be a media box? If I get a decent wireless card I can throw it in a closet too. Just thinking aloud.
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>>93672461
>slap 16gb vram on 4060 of all things
why not 4070? fucking nvidia can't do anything right
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>>93672763
Because 4070 has a 192 bit bus
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>>93672316
A) 900$
i9-12900F
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4
Ram 32GB G.Skill Aegis 2x16 Dual Chanel, 3200MHz CL16 1.35v
SSD M.2 Samsung 970 evo plus 250gb
SSD M.2 ADATA LEGEND 1tb, PCIe Gen 3x4
Cooler ARCTIC AC Freezer i35 A-RGB, 158 mm
Seasonic B12 BC-850 850W 80+ Bronze, OPP, OVP, OCP, SCP
FSP CMT211A RGB TG Mid-Tower, Black.


B) 970$
PC Ryzen 9 7900X Am5 + Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB AIO RGB
Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16 ) DDR5 5200MHz SPECIAL AMD EXPO
GIGABYTE B650M DS3H
Corsair RM750 750W 80 plus Gold
Corsair 4000D Airflow Alb


C) 800$
i5-12400
nVidia GeForce MSI RTX 3070 Ventus Gaming 2X
Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 mHz
ASUS H610M-K
250GB NVME M.2 + 1TB Hard Disk
Case: Aquirys Wezen Black
Power supply: Corsair VS650W


D) 780$
Ryzen 9-5900
Asus Prime B550M-K
Ram 32Gb Corsair
-Ssd M2 Samsung NVME 512GB;
-Video GTX 1060,3 GB
- nJoy 500W;
Case Rampage 3 vent. RGB;

E) 1300$
i9 12900k
Gigabyte rx 5700 8gb
Gigabyte z690 ud
Kingston fury 64GB ddr4 3600mhz cl 18
SSD m.2 Kingston 500gb gen 4
Aerocool Lux, 80 PLUS Bronze, 750W
I9 12900k 64 gb ram rx 5700

F) 1410$
I7 11700k
rtx 3090 asus tuf gaming
32 gb ram corsair vengeance
1tb ssd nvme
msi z490 a pro
case deepcool gamer storm
8 fans rgb
240mm liquid cooling

ALSO WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING IN THE OP?
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>>93672792
What's stopping them from pulling a 3.5 again with mismatched bus and memory, other than consumer awareness?
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>>93672871
nothing, and probably they would even get away with it because nvidia shills would gobble it up
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>constantly look at hardware but never buy or upgrade because cheap + autism
>only thing that can force my hand is legitimately hardware flat out dying
>the ride never ends
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is it time to upgrade yet?
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>>93672316
Why the fuck are all cases with optical drive slots, 4+ 3.5" hdd slots, frontal mesh panels for airflow OUT OF STOCK?
Both the Corsair Obsidian series 750D or the Cooler Master MasterCase MC500 or CM694 would be perfect for me but they've been out of stock since 2022. Are they cracking down on archivoor niggas like me?
I need it for my home server by the way.
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>>93672871
>970 with 7/8 busses with direct memory access
>choice between 192bit bus (3gb) or 256bit bus (4gb) due to arch reasons
>choose the latter
>???
>get lawsuited
they probably thought consumers were dumb fucks who don't deserve anything good from that point forth
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refurbished storage for non-important uses, stupid or smart?
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>>93673155
>optical drives
lol
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>>93673200
I do need one optical drive because I have a lot of DVD's laying around and I need it for my project. Plus it's good to have one on my homeserver.
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>>93673155
if you want a proper nas style case, check out silverstone. the cs381 is quite pog, but expensive imo

another option would be some large full tower, but then you give up external hotswap bays (probably fine since you won't be swapping HDDs often...)
the meshify 2 XL can fit an ungodly number of HDDs if you buy and fit all the brackets it can take. like 20 iirc.

>optical drive slots
yea, not a thing anymore, sorry
buy an external usb drive enclosure and join us in the 2020s, gramps
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i have a gtx 1650
I can sell it for about $130 and buy an rtx 3060ti for $300. What do you think? I'm a poorfag
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>>93673206
you know there's external optical drivers? just buy a dvd-drive you plug in the usb port
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>>93673235
6700xt instead
should be fairly close in price
them 12gigs of vram will really help with longevity, 8gb is already problematic now, never mind in a couple years.
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>>93673206
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When does the new AMD gpus come out? I'm hoping the 6000s series prices will drop then.
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>>93673290
25th may
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>>93673275
I've heard that amd GPUs suck at console emulation (yuzu)
I don't know if it's true
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what's the better brand for a gpu asus or gigabyte?
>>93673290
in my country they did the moment the 7600 launched, 20-40 less on some cards
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>>93673369
both brands have made terrible amd cards not too long ago since they treat radeon as an afterthought and reused nvidia coolers
go with sapphire or xfx or powercolor desu
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>>93673059
I'm justwaiting for a worthy upgrade for my monitors for over 10 years now. Literally everything below $1000 is in some ways a downgrade.
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>>93673349
per some quick googling i just did, its fine as long as you use the vulkan renderer
there are still issues, but there are still issues on nvidia too
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>>93673155
im still using my corsair 650d thats like 12 years old because of that. its got this sweet hot swap bay on the top too that cases never have anymore. and i can fit like 15 hard drives in this bad boy
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>>93672710
a750's were sold for 172€ here recently, not him
>>93672818
never recommend anyone to buy an F sku intel
also what is this
>>93673146
does it do the thing you want? if not....
>>93673155
old fractal and install a bazillion hdds
>>93673349
if you dont wanna fafo for a wide variety of emulators nvidia is the only option, atleast thats what the good old gamer told me
>>93673404
sounds like you should have upgraded already, 10 year old monitors are ancient
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>>93672672
>Arc A750 for 200€
Absolutely worth it at that price
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Nvidia bros, our sponsored games are…. Shit?
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>>93672316
what CHEAP mobo for R5 7600x? all i can see are aorus or msi expensive models
only cheaper model for AM5 is B650M?
maybe i pick R5 7600 without x but with integra?

also no gay leds and no asus
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>>93673531
get the gigabyte b650m ds3h
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>>93673471
>10 year old monitors are ancient
Yea but the image quality is still too good and I don't give a fuck about refresh rate.
I have tried multiple mid-high tier monitors recommended here over the last 3 years and all of them had various significant issues.
Guess I need to bump up my price range and try some pro tier and/or oled next.
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>>93673658
700-1k buys you a 42"-55" 120hz-144hz 4K WOLED/QDOLED
I refuse to believe that is not purely better than your 10 year old shit
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>>93673531
how cheap?
Asrock x670e pg lightning is probably the best and cheapest midrange board
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>>93673513
what's wrong with it? that looks perfectly good to me
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>rtx 4060 ti
>rx 7600
>A750 price drop
Is it fair to say intel won?
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>>93673658
either 4k/high ppi or true HDR (oled/miniled) (or better yet, both) are going to be massive upgrades for you

4k by itself is quite cheap. you can get 27/4k/60hz panels for <300 shekels. around 400 for 32/4k/60hz
if you also want high refresh, 27/4k/144hz goes for 500-600, and 32/4k/144hz for 600-700

oled/miniled will push you to ~1k, but that is acceptable considering those panels are the pinnacle of current tech

my advice, decide if oled is acceptable depending on your use cases (ie will burn in be a concern or not)
if not, get a c2
if yes, get a neo g7 miniled
either one will be a MASSIVE upgrade over what you have now, guaranteed.
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>>93672316
Did they really just copy Jiushark?
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This is a website of poor neets yet in these generals every single one of them that doesn't buy hardware but spends all day long reading about it recommends 2k+ oled monitors, 4090 cards, premium water cooling and insist that this is the norm and not even 1% of gamers 75% of those not even showing in any relevant chart or competitive game as they spend just because they can spend or retardation, not for a purpose.
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>>93673677
>>93673728
My priorities are text and image editing >>> anime > space 4x games.
Which makes tv oled panels and va undesirable.
Gaming IPS all suffer from backlight bleed, glow and/or shit uniformity.
I do want a 4k 27-32" but the ones I tried had worse colors. Not really surprising considering that my current monitors are studio tier with $800 msrp on release.
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>>93673645
>>93673691
is this build going to be good?
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/podzespoly-komputerowe/plyty-glowne/plyta-glowna-gigabyte-b650m-ds3h
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/podzespoly-komputerowe/pamieci-ram/pamiec-ram-kingston-fury-beast-32gb-6000mhz-1
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/dyski-i-pamieci/dyski-wewnetrzne/dysk-wd-black-sn770-1tb-ssd
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/podzespoly-komputerowe/procesory/procesor-amd-ryzen-5-7600x
https://www.amazon.pl/Speedster-SWFT309-RX-67XTYJFDV-Karta-Graficzna/dp/B08YKCC8XD/ref=asc_df_B08YKCC8XD/?hvadid=504407607319&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17048620143240343855&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1011388&hvtargid=pla-1263565791758&psc=1
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>>93673795
I recommend waiting for battlemage to save the midrange segment
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>>93673799
get the neo g7
it won't be as good in space games as oled, but it'll still be WAY better than solid single backlight monitors.
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>>93672745
I'd recommend you chuck that piece of shit in the bin and go buy a nuc
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>>93673802
yea thats pretty much my current build, i got the asus prime b650m tho which was a mistake. you might try getting a cheaper brand ssd with more space for the space price like the solidigm whatever the fuck 2tb
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>>93672792
Then how did they figure out how to put 2 extra gigs on the 3080 12g? Magic?
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>>93672818
Dude stop posting that shit
No on fucking cares which shitty prebuilt you buy
Go look up the parts yourself lazy fucker
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>>93673888
they swapped from a 320bit bus to a 384bit bus.
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>>93673859
nah shillnigger
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>>93673146
Yes
That's shit
Substantially weaker then a series x
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>>93673799
>Which makes tv oled panels and va undesirable.
people are literally video editing and color grading and shit on oled tvs, sounds like a (You) problem
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>>93673179
Depends of its really that much cheaper
Renting some cloud storage is straight up easier...unless you have cp
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>>93673799
All your problems in life can be solved by reading/watching an in-depth review about the panel you want to buy, even an IPS and buy one with no blacklight bleed.
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>>93673235
Who the fuck is buying 1650 for $130 American?
But yeah like other anon said 6700xt.
Id also look at the 6700xt non xt if it's available
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>>93673400
My 470 is an xfx and the pcie contacts started peeling, it still works but I don't have a good impression on this brand. Unfortunately only those two brands are available for the 6650. the asus dual and the gigabyte with 3 fans but I couldn't find any good review other than showing fps and in that regard they seem to perform fine.
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>>93673369
>>93673400
Asrock amd cards are Unironically pretty good to
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>>93672461
>>93672763
The 16GB shit is going to be a paper launch.
You know that right?
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>>93673513
Being a sponsored title means ficka ll anyway.
You think nvidida is sending programmers to Daedalic to input code during development for them?
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>>93673727
Idk, I still would never recommend to idiot friends, but id be ok messing with it
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>>93672430
Nvidia is utterly fucked.
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>>93673914
So...what you're saying is...they could do it...they just don't want to
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>>93673802
looks fine to me
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>>93674018
>paper launch.
And demand will be paper thin to compensate
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>>93673936
I'm not doing video editing, only working on LaTeX and html documents. And shitposting. Lots of shitposting.

>>93673939
I don't want 1440p, and good 4k are above the initial budget. Otherwise a $1200 27" 4k oled would be perfect.

>>93673830
Guess I should look up some more reviews of it. Thought VA makes star backgrounds strobe when scrolling.
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>>93672501
go back to /pol/ you retard
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>>93674180
Your post seemed dumb af but you're also a mass quoter.
Get fucked retard lol.
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>>93674031
You think they give out sponsorships like a charity?
Kek, Delusional.
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>>93674134
No retard, 3080 10g had 64 bits of the GA102 memory bus fused off, 12g had the full bus, basically it was a better bin
AD104 in 4070 has a 192 bit bus in the top configuration
They would have to nake a AD103 variant of 4070 for more memory
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>>93674214
Sister, I'm shaking right now, that chud is here... bigotry will spread.
Trans rights! What's your twitter, you sex haver!
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>>93674156
I like when hamburgers use visual metaphors. So rare, all they do is food analogies and broken English.
>inb4 it's actually a Brit.
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>>93674219
Are you a bot targeting THE mass quoter of this thread?
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>>93673059
build a DDR2 period piece
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>>93673938
everything about this answer is repulsive
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>>93674237
Ok then tell me what exactly being sponsored means?
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>>93674238
>They would have to nake a AD103 variant of 4070
Ok..so what you're saying is....they could do it....they just don't want to
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>>93674255
Australian. But Ty for trying
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>>93673059
literally me >>93672745
my gaming/main rig's GPU has been dying for over a year now but I can play most stuff fine so I don't care. And I just bought 2 refurbished HDDs because I need storage but FUCK spending money on shit I'll barely use brand new.
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>>93674274
You first :^)
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>>93674270
I'm sorry buddy I'm not going to give you advice on mass storing your cp collection...
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>>93673677
not that guy but I have the same mindset, if I spent 1k on a monitor I'd feel like a retard.
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>>93674180
>Guess I should look up some more reviews of it.
yes

>Thought VA makes star backgrounds strobe when scrolling.
strobe? no
with regular VAs, the starts would kinda dissappear in fast movement, and re-appear when you stopped moving
not ideal, obviously, but not terribly annoying/eye catching either
samsung VAs, like the one in the neo g7 should not have this issue
the main complaint with the neo g7, as with all minileds, is haloing
but the fald algorithm is pretty competent, so you don't have to really worry about it too much
its the best you can do, currently
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>>93674311
It means fuck all retard. Games get programmed on the same hardware for a console standard.
Nvividdidi isn't sending sponsored devs super magic code sauce that makes game x run extra extra good on a 3080.
But feel free to share any evidence of contrary
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>>93673677
damn i got a $750 55" 4k tv a year ago that doesnt have any of that stuff
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>>93674357
nviggier literally developed dx11 and 12 with microsoft
this is why when it comes to pure rasterization, nviggier cards are often a bit behind, but once you start selecting additional graphics options they start to massively outpace ayyymd
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I have Asus MG279Q, is there a single monitor significantly better than mine under $900?
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>>93674343
>samsung VAs, like the one in the neo g7 should not have this issue
All VAs have but the samsung one mitigates a bit of the smearing, stars still disappear.
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>>93674443
get ultra wide oled 8k, poorfag.
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>>93674357
>Nvividdidi isn't sending sponsored devs super magic code sauce that makes game x run extra extra good on a 3080.
Nobody in the thread claimed that.

Sponsorships do have certain strings attached to them though.
All of the AMD sponsored games for example lack DLSS, and this is done on purpose.
Sponsorships are about money hatting the game so it runs better on your brand of cards and possibly, maybe, perhaps, gimping your competitor’s cards *wink wink nudge nudge*
So calling a sponsored game “An AMD game” or “A Nvidia game” is definitely still somewhat apt.
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>>93674440
>nviggier literally developed dx11 and 12 with microsoft
anon, are you stupid? AMD did most of DX12 work because xbox runs on custom dx12
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>>93674462
>ultra wide
do I look retarded to you?
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>>93674481
You post on this site, so yes
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I wanna build the most overkill gaming pc I can for a 6k budget. This is what I have so far. Any tips or revisions would be appreciated.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZmPMb
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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7600-drops-to-e259-in-spain-just-one-day-after-launch
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>>93674500
can get "better" PSU I guess
also, stop buying windows.
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>>93674529
Any recommendations on a better PSU?
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>>93674467
AMD didn't do shit, xbox runs custom dx12 because its a microsoft product
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>>93674523
BASTARD MY PERF/$ DROPPING STOP IT KINDLY
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>>93674443
>Asus MG279Q
yes, the asus pg27aqm
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>>93674466
>All of the AMD sponsored games for example lack DLSS
TLOU is AMD sponsored and has DLSS. RE Engine is AMD sponsored and MH Rise has DLSS. FSR is just way easier to add on the developer side than DLSS.
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>>93674574
>AMD didn't do shit
>because I said so
so you are stupid, you didn't follow how vulcan was made and subsequently push for dx12 from AMD, did you?
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>>93674573
check OP
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>>93674613
AMD didn't make Vulkan and they stole ideas from Mantle which DICE made.
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>>93674596
>burn in
>over $900
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>>93674481
Oh an Nvidia user then, my respect.
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>>93673901
Fuck you, don't tell me what to do.

A) 900$
i9-12900F
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4
Ram 32GB G.Skill Aegis 2x16 Dual Chanel, 3200MHz CL16 1.35v
SSD M.2 Samsung 970 evo plus 250gb
SSD M.2 ADATA LEGEND 1tb, PCIe Gen 3x4
Cooler ARCTIC AC Freezer i35 A-RGB, 158 mm
Seasonic B12 BC-850 850W 80+ Bronze, OPP, OVP, OCP, SCP
FSP CMT211A RGB TG Mid-Tower, Black.


B) 970$
PC Ryzen 9 7900X Am5 + Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB AIO RGB
Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16 ) DDR5 5200MHz SPECIAL AMD EXPO
GIGABYTE B650M DS3H
Corsair RM750 750W 80 plus Gold
Corsair 4000D Airflow Alb


C) 800$
i5-12400
nVidia GeForce MSI RTX 3070 Ventus Gaming 2X
Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 mHz
ASUS H610M-K
250GB NVME M.2 + 1TB Hard Disk
Case: Aquirys Wezen Black
Power supply: Corsair VS650W


D) 780$
Ryzen 9-5900
Asus Prime B550M-K
Ram 32Gb Corsair
-Ssd M2 Samsung NVME 512GB;
-Video GTX 1060,3 GB
- nJoy 500W;
Case Rampage 3 vent. RGB;

E) 1300$
i9 12900k
Gigabyte rx 5700 8gb
Gigabyte z690 ud
Kingston fury 64GB ddr4 3600mhz cl 18
SSD m.2 Kingston 500gb gen 4
Aerocool Lux, 80 PLUS Bronze, 750W
I9 12900k 64 gb ram rx 5700

F) 1410$
I7 11700k
rtx 3090 asus tuf gaming
32 gb ram corsair vengeance
1tb ssd nvme
msi z490 a pro
case deepcool gamer storm
8 fans rgb
240mm liquid cooling
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>>93674523
Wouldn't buy it for 100€.
Also, it's at the same price as a 6700 non-xt here in the rest of Europe while performing worse and having 2 less GB of memory.
Fuck this generation.
I hope nvidia and amd both go out of business.
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>>93674647
with AMD, idiot, you can't make the damn API without the hardware part.
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>>93674440
Sweet you got actual examples or sources for any of that?
>>93674466
Same to you buddy boi, feel free to share any sources that back that up.

Or just talking out your arse...
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>>93674658
Shut up you cock munching plague rat double faggot
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>>93674650
*meant x/pqm
one is a 240hz 2k with dedicated gsync
the other is 270hz 2k without
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>>93674679
DICE did all the heavy lifting on the software side. All AMD did was provide the free GPUs and release driver fixes in case something broke.
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>>93674574
>AMD didn't do shit
>xbox apu is semi custom amd part...
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>>93674628
I would do the ROG Loki but I was hoping for something around 1300W+ for the OC
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>>93674742
>>93674724
are we just going to ignore the fact that nigvidia solely developed tessellation, hairworks and gaytracing while AMD kept fucking off to do their own shit instead of adding on to DX and instead developed vulkan and mantle?
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>>93672316
Is this a good passive m.2 cooler? There's also thermalpaste between the copper plate and the heatpipe.
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>>93674672
For 100 I would, even 150.
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>>93674888
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>>93674888
if you need that then you're almost certainly using an ssd that you don't need
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>>93672316
I built my cousin a gaming PC a few years back. His kids are trynna play Roblox, but they told me it's unplayable, wtf.
>Ryzen 5 2400g
>16GB RAM
>RX 570

Little boy told me he can't play BlackHawk Rescue Mission 5 (idk how roblux works) because he getts only 8FPS. Should I build them a new PC optimized for (i can't believe I'm sayin this) Robux? If yes, what hardware should I get?
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>>93673960
I live in Russia and it costs about that much
6700xt isn't the best choice for me due to bad emulation performance :(
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>>93674672
>Also, it's at the same price as a 6700 non-xt here in the rest of Europe while performing worse and having 2 less GB of memory.

which europe are you that you can find non xt 6700 at that price?

i have searched everywhere for one and nobody sells it below 300
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>>93674979
Lmao @ ruzdogs.
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>>93674999
>t.
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>>93672461
That won’t unfuck the 128bit memory bus width.
The bus width needed to have at least 192-bit.
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>>93674997
Only spain has a 250€ 7600.
Everywhere else, it's 300€ for both the 6700 and the 7600.

I guess they're aiming their marketing to dyslexics.
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>>93672672
How did the 2060 card die? It’s not powerful enough to draw crazy currents.
Which manufacturer model?
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>>93675005
You appear so brave hiding in bunkers from drine strike. Lol, hide you head, Ivan
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bros wtf is VRAM and why is 8gb absolutely unacceptable? I want to upgrade but do i really need the 12 gb when i dont care about playing shit at ultra 4k 200 fps or is there some other reason for it?
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If I wanted to splurge and switch to an UW setup, then the AW3423DW seems like the best bet right now, no?
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>>93672672
>any reason not to buy an Arc A750 for 200€?
the only reason you should buy it is for av1

if you dont care buy a used 6700xt from ebay
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>>93675047
go back to plebbit lmao
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>>93675064
Its ram that is dedicated to the gpu to use and is much faster than system ram but available in smaller amounts
Running out of ram will result in massive stutters and unplayability even if the gpu itself is capable of pushing 4k200fps
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>>93675083
Amd you should go back to your bunker, like a cockroach
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>>93675047
>lashing at some russian poorfag who doesn't control putin because le ebil russia was programmed into you by media
go back to plebbit you NPC
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>>93672818
These options are all pretty lousy.
If you need a PC with a video card, get option C.
It’s not a good time to be buying a 3070 video card unless it’s used though.
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Should I wait for the FE to be back in stock or just get the TUF 4090? I don't like the way the other ones look
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>>93675102
yeah did you cry about ukraine today, hohol?
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>>93675069
assuming your use cases do not conflict with oled as a monitor, its a good choice

but personally i think the c2 is a way better option
its significantly cheaper and its 4k so its better for media
also, if you really like the ultrawide form factor, there is an option in its menus that allows you to run it as a 3840x1600 ultrawide

really, the only advantage the ultrawide oleds have is a slightly brighter panel with slightly better colors, and you wouldn't notice a difference in real life use
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>>93675131
Get the FE, gigabyte vision or gigabyte gaming oc unless you're at an advanced age and can't hear coil whine
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>>93675131
>FE coming back in stock
not happening
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where can i get some proper cpu gaming performance comparisons? everything on youtube is done by brainlets with 99 gpu utilization
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>>93674238
So they could change the bus and memory
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>>93675091
ok so lets say hypothetically im sort of a cheap bastard. would it be worth it to get a 3060 with 12 gb of vram of a 3060 ti?
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>>93675186
literally just youtube mmo + cpu name here. gamers nexus also has ffxiv in all his benchmarks.
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>>93675207
if the existing die supports a higher bus, but it was fused off for the existing card, they could easily stop fusing it off and give you more of it
but in the case of ad104, you're already getting the full bus it supports
they'd have to give you a larger die, and ad103, in order to increase the memory bus
this would ofc increase cost by a much more than in the 3080 example

mind you, that doesn't mean that a ad103 4070 super with 16g is impossible
it only means it would be more expensive to make than existing 4070s
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>>93673146
How'd you get this image?
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cpu almost never matters for games, but when it does its usually

7800x3d > 13900k > 13700k > 5800x3d > 13600k

with the x3d chips pulling way ahead in anything that benefits greatly from the cache. You're better off trying to find out what games in particular you want to make the best possible purchase for, but either way anything I listed will be plenty most likely
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>>93674881
Vulkan and Mantle are good things.
PC gaming shouldn’t be limited to the Windows ecosystem.
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>>93672316
She cute.
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>>93675303
yeah I agree, my point was that nvidia has been involved with developing the directx ecosystem as well as optimizing hardware to use new features, and AMD has been more focused on developing alternatives.
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>>93675151
I'll take a look and compare/contrast the LG C2 for sure as I haven't seen that one pop up as a recommendation. The big thing is really just switching to a one monitor setup from a two monitor for gaming, the display can be whatever. Thanks for the advice!
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>>93672316
Which chair should I buy under $300 ?
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>>93675354
depends, how fat are you?
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>>93675069
new QDOLED UWs are being announced soon, 34" and 49"
maybe 240hz on them?
>>93674500
Drop all the overpriced dogshit mobos and cpu and buy a 7800X3D and a B650, or a 13900k regular and a cheap z790
and buy a single 4TB nvmeme instead
thats about it but without tuning 7800x3d will probably beat it, and adjust ram to 6000 if doing so
dont think you need more than 1kw psu either, and you dont need a 300 dollariodoo cooler for a 7800x3d either
but your choice
spending so much for worse performance
>>93674443
120hz 4k oleds has been like 700
>>93674361
just buy a B/C2 LG or samsung S95B/C on sale, simple as
>>93674180
>I'm not doing video editing, only working on LaTeX and html documents. And shitposting. Lots of shitposting.
cheap 4k TVs are literally made for productivitycucks
>>93674268
but I just left ddr3
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>>93675322
Based Sapphire Pulse.
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>>93675354
Used Herman Miller
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>>93675177
Wait why? They've had multiple restocks
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Acquaintance wants a big render workstation with dual 4090s

From what I've seen, dual 3.5 slot cards barely works, but it works. With a small gap between them. I don't expect them to run at 100% for prolonged periods anyway and hopefully the airflow is good enough within the case to account for any potential heat issues. If I went this route I'd do dual Gigabyte Gaming OC.

But then if one wanted comfier space, I figured why not use two liquid cooled cards? The O11 will have plenty of space for all three of the radiators.

>RAM
6000 @ CL30 is still ideal here or would something change for non-gaming application?
Also, any differences between running two vs four dimms? I imagine he'll want 128 GB, so I'd fare with 4 x 32.

>Case
I don't see many other options besides the O11 XL. Maybe the super tower by Corsair 1000D. beQuiet 802 if the PSU shroud is removable, but even so the PSU placement might not be ideal for the bottom card. In this situation I'd prefer the exotic placement in the O11.

>Fan config
In the O11 I'd mount one of the GPU radiators on the front (side) plus one more as intakes? Bottom GPU radiator as intake, CPU triple radiator on top as exhaust and one last exhaust fan in the back.

Thoughts overall?
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>>93675354
i got a haworth zody at a thrift store for 5 bucks, so the answer is whatever random decent quality chair you can find that someones willing to just give away
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Should I just get a 4080... I have a 4000d airflow case and I suck at cable management. Or is getting a 4090 in there not that bad?
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>>93675532
4080s basically got the same coolers as the 4090.
That's why you should get the 4080 FE if you have access to it, everything else is beyond overkill.
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>>93675186
Hardware Unboxed is as close as you're going to get. They use a 4090 or whatever the best GPU is to try to get rid of bottleneck, and bench at 1080p, do multiple runs. Or Gamers Nexus maybe.
But!
>>93675240
Any FFXIV benchmark is done with the benchmark tool, which doesn't simulate other players, just NPCs and spell effects.
This is really the problem in trying to find real world multiplayer CPU benchmarks, they never really do them online. I understand why, but it would be nice if someone even tried.
Darktide on later difficulties, double spawns, 7800X vs 7800X3D. Stuff like that, but nope.
And then you're back to googling game + cpu + benchmark.
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>>93675413
Overweight as fuck
>>93675498
Yeah I'll go for a hyken it's within my budget range or pic rel will do the work
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>>93675492
If you want something with at least 4090 speed, just go with threadripper + 256GB RAM + 3x RTX 6000 Ada.
Any consumer CPUs don't have enough PCIe lanes between different GPUs. And RTX 6000 Ada is 2-slot and being a blower card can be tightly packed.
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>>93675588
>Any FFXIV benchmark is done with the benchmark tool, which doesn't simulate other players, just NPCs and spell effects.
Wrong.
There's different scenes in the benchmark that stresses different parts of the system on purpose. There's a CPU scene, GPU scene, and mixed test scene just like 3Dmark. The benchmark is better than in-game testing because it's consistent (good luck getting consistent testing with in-game)and you can compare others scores directly.
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waitchads, once again, have been found victorious
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In last thread I was asking for advice on making a build for video editing for 1.4k USD Someone recommended the 13600K and nvidia 4070. Someone else also said buying an m1 macbook would be a better use of money and that the 1.4k budget wouldnt build anything worth the money. Is this true? Really my goal is to avoid RAM issues and long rendering times that I always run into editing. I need one of you savants to intervene.
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you guys lied to me. my 6950xt is faster than a 4070ti while using less power since i undervolt it.
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>>93675830
>Posting amd unboxed
Anon...
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>>93675804
That guy is full of shit. M1 macbooks are great but are not reliable enough and not verastile enough for serious profesionnal work. The simple fact that the storage is soldered and not expendable makes it a no go for professional applications.

Not to mention storage prices are crashing along with mobo and DDR5 prices. As long as you're not buying a GPU it's a very good time to build a PC right now.

Going for intel is still 100% necessary because there is no quick sync alternative from AMD (yet as it is announced for current gen CPUs) and depending on your choice of software Nvidia is probabaly going to be your only choice. I would reccomend maybe checking out the 3060ti and 3070(ti or not) as they literally just got a price cut.
Unless you need accelerated AV1 encoding these may be worth looking at and you will fit in your budget without much trouble.
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>>93675939
You can always compare the avg. game fps results of these guys to the benchmarks of other reviewers.
Their price is usually lifted off of Amazon or Newegg.
Can't really point to any bias in that chart.

I know these guys have a bias against ASRock and LG monitors, but they can't make it too obvious because their credibility is at stake.
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>>93675718
Wrong, I'm correct, you blow your dad when mom's not home.
Those NPCs mimicking the actions of players is different than having actual players do them. You can start googling as this has been tested vs the real game, and then start weeping, and sucking that dick.
>different scenes in the benchmark that stresses different parts of the system on purpose
Yeah no shit. Still doesn't work like actual players on the screen.
Don't ever reply to me again. Call child protective services instead.
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on lower end card, 3060/6600xt is ray tracing any good? Since I'm about to upgrade I was wondering if it's worth to spend more on an nvidia gpu for better rt. From what I've seen the effect tanks fps which means lower setting but it's worth the tradeoff?
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What would you change to make this more affordable? It's sitting at $2700 right now and my budget is $2500 plus I need to get peripherals and os so realistically the PC needs to be about $2000
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>>93676076
Imo RT experience starts at RTX 4070/3080 or the RX 6800XT.
NVIDIA deliberately gimped the 4060 and 4060Ti.
Radeon cards are behind on RT tech, their hardware needs to brute for RT performance.
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>>93676114
Did you time travel from 2014 or what
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>>93676076
play a game with REAL kino tracing
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>>93675733
True, but that also includes Jensen for he is the ultimate waitfag who'll outwaitfag all waitfags eventually
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>>93676114
>8x ball bearing case fans
Imagine all that grinding ball bearing noise.
Dogshit first built imo.
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>>93675492
Get the cheapest 4800mhz ddr5 ram if you're planning to use 4x sticks since the memory controller will run it at 3600mhz anyway. Alternatively, you could go for 2x48gb (96gb) at 6000mhz if that's enough ram for your acquaintance
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>>93676169
jensen is 70 years young he cant waitfag much longer
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Any recs for a case for a hamhands? I keep cutting my fucking hand on my nh-15 trying to plug in fans n shit
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>>93676148
2011-v3 is unironically the best CPU socket and eATX is underrated imo
>>93676193
I like to hear when my PC is using more resources
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Ive been looking at getting a 3060 ti or a 3070, but im seeing recs for a rx 6800. It seems like I can get one for about 500. Is that a good deal? I havent bought amd before, is there any legit reason for them being seen as inferior to nvidia?
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>>93675008
If it's 192 bits they can't use 16 but 12 or 18, I really hope they double the bus size on this one, there's a too much big gap between 4060 and 4070, it's laughable.
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>>93676351
How much are the 3060ti and 3070?
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>>93672430
It's a great card for full HD, just way too expensive.
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>>93676351
>I havent bought amd before, is there any legit reason for them being seen as inferior to nvidia
if you mean drivers I've been using amd for 7 years, most problems have been solved years ago and the most recent problem was with an opengl game that required older drivers to work
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>>93676397
iim planning on goin to a micro center in la. The 3060 ti i was looking at is 400. The 3070 is 470. Those are both dual fans, but if i go with the amd i will also have to get a bigger case
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>>93676488
Just spend more and get a $600 4070 desu
It's not great but is the least bad option
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>>93675817
people aren't shilling the 4070ti, only nvidia gpt and the pajeet
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>>93676518
both new egg and microcenter have that at around $670. What exactly makes it "not great" or any of the other options bad really? Im not trying to play stuff at the highest graphics possible and i havent touched a modern AAA game in years.
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Imagine if 90% of youtube reviewers turn out to be wrong.
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>>93672316
Ok I’m building a new pc for the first time in 6 years

I have $15,000 budget and plan on going all out, I haven’t bothered keeping up with the newest tech

What’s the latest Intel generation rn, the i9 13900K?

And Ram generation is now at DDR5?

And monitors look like they are finna 4K 144hz HDR, which one should I get tho? And by that I mean which is the highest end best one
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>>93676716
then get a 6700xt for $300 on ebay
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>>93672316
Best budget 1tb m.2 ssd in the market right now? I'm thinking of getting a sn850x.
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>>93676716
Those 30 series cards are too old to be paying that kind of price. You might as well buy used 3060Tis and 3070s.
Maximum I would pay for a new 3070 is around $350 imo.
Check if your nearby Microcenter have any open box 3060Ti/3070/4070 cards on sale.

Refer to the cost per frame chart in >>93675830
It's not biased, the avg. performances are within other reviewer's benchmarks.
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so i finally put my PC togethers and IT IS SO FUCKING LOUD

like seriously holy shit. How do I start diagnosing to see what is causing the issue? I'm guessing it could be either the CPU, GPU, or case fans. Or maybe there is coil whine too?

Also how do I know if the noise levels are normal for those components or if i should RMA some things or adjust them somehow?
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>>93676795
>>93676805
fair enough, its just that refurbished cards spook the fuck out of me
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>>93676807
Your motherboard comes with software to manage fans. Run the automatic tuning feature on it, then set it to quiet mode.
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>>93676850
will that affect all fans? btw it only gets loud when i'm playing games so i figure there is some thermal stuff involved
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>>93676798
Just get the Samsung 990 one, it’s like $99
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>>93676798

KC3000 probably. Samsung maybe but their reputation took a hit recently.
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>>93676076
RT is still bad on any hardware, you get inaccurate lighting in exchange for a lot of FPS. In 2077 there's rt ultra and psycho- both produce inaccurate lighting and take away a lot of FPS, now they added overdrive/path tracing and it still works like shit but drops even more FPS than before.
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>>93676076
No it's still shit. That's the main reason why AMD makes sense at low end. We'll see if DLSS3 can change that.
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ok fags i have 10k stored up what can that get me
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>>93673146
You should definitely upgrade from speccy.
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>>93673155
What country? Plenty on pc part picker for me.
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>>93675688
You point out something important that I forgot to mention, because I was wondering about PCIe bandwidth as well.
For now, I only know that the guy wants to render using Redshift. I watched a comparison between the 3090 and the RTX 6000 and in smaller scenes they had identical speed. Only in a very complex scene the 6000 was able to do the job twice as fast because of it's VRAM advantage.
I imagine the 4090 will be the best bang for buck for his needs, especially since the RTX 6000 costs 10 grand per card from what I can see in stock.

I'll read up some more on the topic, however from what I've gathered so far, lane bandwidth shouldn't affect the rendering speed too much.

>>93676201
>since the memory controller will run it at 3600mhz anyway.
Are you sure about that? What's the limiting factor? Shit. Another thing I gotta to delve into. I'll try to find out what role RAM plays for his workflow and how much is necessary.
I'm a bit mind fucked by gaming and high MT/s, so it sounds kind of drastic to run it at 3600 instead of 6000 MHz. Then again, I would imagine that for editing you'd rather want to have a lot of information stored in RAM than many small quick transfers in succession.
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>>93676836
There's a MSI Ventus 3 fan 3060Ti model on Newegg selling at $315 after applying discount code.
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-rtx-3060-ti-ventus-3x-8g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137680
It's a reference tier card with locked power limits.
I still think it's a good card, but this isn't for overclockers.
Maybe you can ask your local Microcenter to price match that, or just buy it from Newegg.

Can't beat that price unless used imo.
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>>93677126
* apparently main use will be C4D and Houdini
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>>93676757
nice fake frames you got there
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>your little sister asks you to build her a gaming PC for her birthday
What is she getting?
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>>93676757
>Paying $400 for 720p native gaming in '23
Not for me Clive.
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>>93677386
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...where do you download A620 chipset drivers from?
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>>93677386
need to know budget and design/color preference.
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>>93675830
why no rx 6700 not xt?
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>>93676991
that looks terrible, I've not been impressed by other examples either even though nvidia ads say it should look better than normal lighting.
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>>93677433
It's you're sister and you are paying for it
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>>93677386
nothing, I am poor
I failed everyone around me including myself
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>>93676877
Not your GPU fan. But you can see if there's software for those with your GPU vendor software. Even if it's only with games that doesn't mean they NEED to be ramping up so loud. Set them to quiet. If you thermal throttle then check it out and play with the curves. Basically fan curves are retarded just set it to quiet and be done with it.
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>>93677485
>you are paying for it
Pretty sure I have a z97 board with an i3 stashed somewhere that I can lend her.
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how do I avoid motherboard frying my 7800X3D
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>>93677589
Don't be retarded and unlucky at the same time
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>>93677386
>You don't need a gaming PC to use your Intuos 5 M drawing tablet
>Keep drawing daily or you'll NGMI, aneki
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>>93676991
Holy shit let that game die in peace, why are they trying to hard to make it the go-to tech preview shitbox?!
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>>93677589
dont buy an asus board and you almost won already
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>makes shitty cards
>still makes billions thanks to AI
face it, making gpus for gamers is a thing of the past now
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>>93677136
wow thanks anon something like that is basically what Ive been looking for. Now this is a really dumb question im sure, but the hard drive cages on my corsair carbide case are blocking room for the card. Is it reasonable to remove them and just have my ssd and hardrive sitting on the bottom?
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>>93677589
you can set the soc voltage in the bios to whatever value it was without DOCP enabled. I have an Asus board and had to do this a few times before it stuck. They said they fixed it but it was set to 1.35 after a bios update like a week ago and I was getting crazy temp spikes
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>>93677692
Give Intel your energy bros
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>>93677692
cool, so nvidia will exit the market and there's going to be serious competition between AMD and Intel since they aren't price-fixing
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>>93677692
Income down tho.
Profit down tho hence the cuts.
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>>93676991
All this retarded, illiterate >>93669468 poorfag can do is cherrypick bugs in a tech preview. Meanwhile, people who don't buy last gen featureless Radeon housefire get to enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 in the only way it should be played at this point

https://youtu.be/a0UQTYmQUuA

>>93677692
The gaming segment is still very important to Nvidia. Unfortunately it's only competing with itself. Even so, there's likely to be a super refresh that provides much better value sooner rather than later. MSI is already offering a $40 discount off its MSRP 4070, and the 4080 has fallen $100 off its MSRP. If you don't need something right this moment, obviously waitTM.

>>93677589
If you want to follow best practice, get a board with CPU-less BIOS flash and update to the latest BIOS before ever installing the chip.

>>93677058
A great 4K HDR gaming + AI system.
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>>93676114
Go to bed, John Titor.
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Is there a non meme reason to buy an ARC
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>>93677589
get an ASS ROCK board, it will ROCKK your ASS
I booted mine without XMP, soc voltage was fine. Flashed bios to most recent release, set XMP, and soc voltage has never gone above 1.241v
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>>93677855
I sense subhuman vibrations from this post, didn't read.
It uses the "consider me a ratard" mass-quoting format.
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>>93676807
Undervolt, numbnuts.

>>93676805
>It's not biased
It's from HWUB, of course it's biased. Want to know how? They inflated the street price of most of RTG's low end offerings to make the 7600 look better.

>>93676795
>then get a 6700xt for $300 on ebay
Retarded. You can get them for $320 new

>>93676757
DLSS Framegen is a killer feature; well known to all be the drones in this thread. They're still coping over DLSS Super Res
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>>93676772
#1 S95C 55" (144hz qdoled) (this is a tv)
#2 C2 42" (120hz woled) (this is a tv too)
#3 Neo G8 32" (240hz va)
there are a few more 1440p cuck monitors, but nobody cares about those

7800X3D will most likely beat a 13900k without memory tuning, also

>>93677058
one pc for me and one pc for you and we can play togther :^)
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>>93676351
>rx 6800. It seems like I can get one for about 500. Is that a good deal?
That's a terrible deal. At that price, the faster, cooler, quieter RTX 4070 is a no brainer. You only buy Radeon at the very low end, like an RX 6600 or an RX 6700 XT.

>is there any legit reason for them being seen as inferior
There's 10s of reasons. Nvidia cards don't bork Windows installs for starters.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1529986/rare-amd-radeon-driver-bug-corrupt-windows-fix.html

A good approximation to use is RT performance. Still biased in favor of Radeon, but at least somewhat accounts for all the benefits of Geforce like DLSS or Broadcast or easy and fast Stable Diffusion, or whatever.

>>93676076
>on lower end card, 3060/6600xt is ray tracing any good?
Personally I'd say no. You can use some effects in old games with the 3060 12GB, like reflections in Spider Man, if you optimize settings. The Radeon card need not apply. Mostly I think you'll be forced to turn of RT to get playable framerates. Based on my standards, the RTX 4070 is a good card for RT, generally speaking.
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PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csfvgb

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($60.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($254.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus DUAL GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H7 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2022) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $1470.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-26 14:06 EDT-0400

first time builder, doing some light gaming at 1440
i plan to put anime stickers and figs all over it
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What rtx 3060 should I get? msi gaming x for £320 or asus tuf for £330. not buying amd thx
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>>93678083
4060Ti
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>>93678083
you can search youtube for 3060 tier list
just make sure you're getting a 12gb model, there were some 8gb ones released more recently. don't even think about those.
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>>93678083
Couple models of 3060Ti dropped by almost 100$
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>>93678068
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YT9C3y
improved your list
but at the very minimum dont buy 2x8 thats definately DOA at this point
2x16 is the minimum for ddr5
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discussing gpu is pointless and solved until 50-series arrives
if you're poor, the only card worth your money is 4070
if you're rich, the only card worth your money is 4090
4070 super is still too up in the fair, likely not happening
>bu-
sorry, still a worse price performance than 4070, not even worth an honorable mention
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>>93675817
AMDrone spammer at work

>>93675492
>would something change for non-gaming application?
I would say stability is your main concern for a system like that (an RAM speed/timings don't have an effect on tasks like rendering anyway), so I would go with slightly more conservative RAM. Also of course there's the concern with long term unnoticed damage on AM5 CPUs because of the voltage problems, which less aggressive RAM will help to mitigate

>>93675186
Techpowerup has decent CPU comparisons.

>>93675069
Definitely a good option, although I would go AW3423DWF if you've got an Nvidia graphics card. No fan noise, user updateable firmware. Radeonfriends are forced to go with the non-F because they can't tweak the EOTF curve on the F, which is ironic because that's obvious a Freesync monitor.
https://youtu.be/vzY7q1bSrWM?t=280

>>93674881
>nigvidia solely developed tessellation, hairworks and gaytracing
Don't forget G-sync, which is essential to modern gaming, and DLSS, which is a godsend. Not to mention the fact that Nvidia solely shoulder bringing RT to the masses. RTG just sits back and copies a few years later
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>>93677959
What do you think of the 4060 Ti vs the recent GeForce 30 series price cuts? The 3060 Ti is $315 for pretty much the same performance as the 4060 Ti.
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>>93678233
>nvidiot drone crying about AMDrone
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>>93678222
still buying A750 and rx 6700 xt
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>>93678222
>700 eur gpus poorfags
if you are poor you are buying a 170-250€ gpu
if you have 700 euro, you have 2k euro for a 4090, unironincally
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>>93675415
building a maxxed out period machine is one of the easiest ways to establish an realizable end goal, rather than there always being something to upgrade.
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>>93678158
>>93678181
ok thanks
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>all these brand loyalist retards
You guys are just fanboys of AMD or Nvidia. You don't give a shit about recommending the best price per performance card, you just care about shilling your brand, because you have an attachment to one of the two companies that have destroyed the industry.
If any of you actually cared, you'd be recommending the A770. You know it, I know it, every person who knows about GPU's knows it. Intel is the only one trying to make things more affordable. And thats sad.

Fuck AMD. Fuck Nvidia. Fuck Asus. Fuck MSI. Fuck Gigabyte.
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>>93675817
> you guys lied to me. my nvidia gpu is faster than Radeon X1950 XTX while using dlss and framegen since i am a shill and love blurry display.
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when will ddr5 become mainstream? How long did it take for ddr4?
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>>93678263
why buy a 4090 when you can get this beauty for much cheaper
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>>93678346
>noctua brown
do austrians really think this looks good
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>>93678210
thanks anon, here's a (You)
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>>93678346
>>93678378
I'd buy a noctua brown gpu but I do not want to pay for features I will never ever use.
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>>93677855
>The RTX Path Tracing SDK accurately re-creates the physics of all light sources in a scene to reproduce what the eye sees in real life.
Idk, Mr. Jensen told us that it's what we see in real life, I guess reflections that are missing main character, missing lighting and making roads reflectivie is cherry picking cuz.... Cuz it just is!!11
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>>93677731
There's hundreds of Corsair Carbide cases.
Check what the owners of your specific case did to fit their triple fan video cards.
If the HDD bays are removable, that's a practical way to make room for it.
Just make sure the HDD/SSD is placed on a flat surface.
The video card's length is under 320mm for your reference.
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>>93676757
>dlss 3
Dude it even looks like shit in the screenshot you took....
When would you ever want latency filled shitty fake frames in an fps?
It's giving me motion sickness just thinking about it
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>>93678309
fuck off intel, go home with your powerbank CPU
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>>93672316
Just picked up a solid side panel meshify 2 for 109 from newegg last week! Wanted this case so badly but didn't want to pay 160 bucks...love this thing!
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>>93677926
Close your eyes and plug your ears, maybe the boogeyman known as the mass replier will just disappear

>>93677898
You enjoy beta testing and tinkering.

>>93678068
Weak memory, small SSD. Otherwise it's fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bknpyK

>>93678222
>4070 super
Could easily be RTX 4080 perf for $800. No one knows, though. Not amazing but it's an improvement over

>>93678242
It's almost a coin flip; I'd probably side with the 3060 Ti. Personally I don't really like either of the graphics cards, but for some people they might be the best option.

>>93678309
Good drivers are worth money, anon. Bar charts often do not provide an accurate description of user experience.

>>93678337
Already is. You can get twice as much good DDR5 for less than I paid for my decent DDR4 a few years ago.

>>93678421
>>93678427
Sputtering luddie poorfag. Just stop posting, or I'll be shitting on you all afternoon. Guess what, video gaymes aren't perfect, but it's pretty obvious that all you can do is nitpick. That means that you're completely BTFO by how transformative path tracing is in Cyberpunk 2077.
https://youtu.be/a0UQTYmQUuA

This is basically your whole shtick: nitpick to convince yourself that those unobtainable grapes are actually sour
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>>93678309
yeah I'm thinking based
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>>93676772
>15000
Get an mi300
Think of all the ai!!
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just got an 13600k, is possibile to turn on/off the p cores while in windows or i have to do it in the bios?
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does anyone else use just one vertical monitor as their setup, or am i crazy?
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>>93677589
You take it back to the store and get 13900k
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>>93678433
Intel has done more with drivers in 6 months than AMD has done in 20 years.
Intel cards are 1/6th of the price of equivalent Nvidia cards and only fall behind in lighting performance but surpass it in everything else.
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>>93678484
Lmao, you can't even counterargument at this point and just sending the same marketing video, I guess that's why they gave you 4070 instead of GPU.
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>>93677855
>before ever installing the chip.
You know you can bios flash with a chip in socket right?
Like...with all those big replies you post constantly...you at least know that...right?
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>No high quality 27"-28" 4K/5K 240Hz+ monitors out yet
>Video card market still in shambles
All those monitors with disgraceful OLED burn-in warranties and horrible quality mini-LEDs don't count.
Still going to wait®.
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>>93677959
>DLSS Framegen is a killer feature
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>>93678275
I dont have much nostaliga I was already there when it happened before
I just need a functional pc
>>93678337
next gen no platform is using ddr4 so
>>93678346
>costs as much a a 4090
thats a joke
>>93678387
how is the original price 1470 but higher on pcpartpicker?
either way, was just placeholder parts but definately not get 2x8
>>93678514
you are crazy yes
>>93678512
you can do that in windows last time i checked
>>93678579
Neo G8 is the best all around 4k monitor to date still even though all downsides
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>>93674608
>FSR is just way easier to add on the developer side than DLSS.
This is false. FSR2 and DLSS require approximately the same amount of work, and if you've already implemented one, it's easy to implement the other, as of course FSR2 is AMD's knockoff DLSS, down to the hooks.

>>93674466
>All of the AMD sponsored games for example lack DLSS, and this is done on purpose.
Not all, but most of them, especially the more recently released ones. Jedi Survivor, REm4ke, Dead Island 2, etc, etc, etc. Very fortunate that Naughty stood up to bad guy RTG and added DLSS to TLoU, because of course FSR2 has pretty garbage image quality relative to DLSS, and DLSS can be easily updated with a drop in DLL, while FSR2 cannot be upgraded. You're stuck with the first shitty implementation.

>>93674443
That's not a great monitor. There are lots of better monitors around the $1000 mark. Obviously if you want to stay with UW, something like the AW3423DWF is a consideration.

>>93674031
>You think nvidida is sending programmers
Often they do, as does AMD. Doesn't mean it happened in that case.
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>>93678233
>>>93675492(You)
You're definitely right about the stability aspect. Thanks a bunch.
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All these RT shills are in the wrong hobby.
The tech's still too early and NVIDIA uses it to promote features exclusively available to new-gen cards.
Might as well wait® for the RTX 50 series exclusive feature.
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>>93678638
>Neo G8
>32"
That's a TV larping as a monitor. Pass.
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>>93678484
Two different people you stupid faggit.
Oh and have you even played cyberpunk yet? Or still to busy being autistic?
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>>93678654
>Often they do
>source: "trust me bro"
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>>93673146
Why do retards still use speccy in 2023?
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>>93678767
I'm not paying $400 for a 1080p video card to game at 720p native resolution.
That card's for suckers.
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poor fag here, whats the difference between a 6700 xt and a 6750 xt. i want to make sure my 10 extra dollars is put to good use
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>>93672316
I'm sad and bored so I want to build my first pc. I've been a laptop user up to this point.

I want something compatible with the amd 5600g APU. I'd like room for upgrades.
GPU isn't a necessity at this point.

I'd like to use this for some moderate gaming using Linux (Arch). Preferably mATX though I don't really go anywhere so ATX is cool too.
I live in Europe so power efficiency would be a benefit.

I want product to make me feel good.
Any recs on components is appreciated :3
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>>93673513
At least they aren't technically inept like 90% of AMD sponsored titles.

>>93672672
Definitely check youtube for other people using Arc for that purpose. CPU limited non-DX12 games do not go well with Arc

>>93672482
>RTX 3060 V2 OC Edition for 219$
Not a bad price. Is that used? In the US, they're $100 more expensive new.

>>93678572
>marketing video
AMDelusion at its finest. That's a just a user highlighting good graphics.

>>93678658
Sour grapes

>>93678687
Not yet. I'm not interested in playing it while it's in tech preview state.

>>93678724
Two easy examples are Nvidia helping CDPR with path tracing in Cyberpunk, and AMD helping Quantic Dream with porting Detroit to PC.

>>93678873
A massive amount of power consumption for about 10% performance. Only get the 6750 XT if you're going to undervolt it
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whos going to be brave enough to use this game in a benchmark?
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>>93678873
Faster vram.
Bout it
Possibly higher quality silicon
If its 10 bucks diff might as well go the 50
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>>93678917
I'll benchmark it right now if it's free
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>>93678915
Dude you need a gf...
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>>93673155
fractal focus g? 2 ODD bays and mesh front and it sells for like 45 dollars
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>>93678917
Why do they insist on raping the corpse of Tolkien?
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>>93678889
Are you really going to feel good about some RAM, mATX board, gold PSU, mini case and 0 dB?
You can choose anything at this point, the only thing I'd look for is what the fastest RAM is for your CPU and roll with that. Bare minimum Gold+ PSU with some headroom. Can't ever go wrong with a B chipset MSI or Gigabyte board. 1-2 TB nVME might be the most expensive part if you need a moderate amount of space.
You could have gotten quads if you didn't type :3
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>>93678346
No thanks, I'll buy the brown 4090 @ $2499
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>>93678915
>>93678920
epic, the 6750 seems to do everything i want. undervolting doesnt mess with the performance or anything right?
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>>93678309
You are correct, especially when cards handle minecraft or fortnite that average consoomer wants well enough.
But I can't recomend these cards because it's like paying to be beta tester. Average user won't be able to deal with problems if runs into them. They are interesting cards though.
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>>93674940
Try upgrading the cpu first? Are they definitely using the gpu and not the igpu?
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>>93679280
Depends on how you want to undervolt. You can shave off voltage and lose no performance (basically, check what the card is boosting to at stock, then make sure it can still hit that boost with your undervolt), or you can lose like 5% performance and get a massive power reduction.
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>>93678889
if your laptop is recent gen and has a powerful cpu (like i5-i7 8th gen+), and has thunderbolt 3 or a unused m.2 nvme slot (don't mix up m-key with b-key m.2 slots), you can get an gpu + egpu adatper + display + psu and just use your laptop like a desktop (you also need to check egpu compatibility on the egpu forums).
I would go for a rtx 2060 or rx 6600 (or whatever deals are better suited, maybe you might find a shitty gtx 970, rx 560 or a 1650 for $30 on local used markets, but it's fine for your CPU or pci-e bottleneck).
The problem is that pcie3 to tb3 adapter prices are fucked up, if your laptop has 2 nvme slots, and you don't mind cutting a hole through your laptop case to run the m.2 cable through, you pay 1/4th of the price of thunderbolt.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005306107085.html
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Well, overclocking graphics cores in Ryzen APUs is pointless and a waste of time.
>RAM running at 2133MHz and graphics cores at 1100MHz
>33 FPS average in FurMark
>RAM running at 2933MHz and graphics cores at 1100MHz
>43 FPS average in FurMark
>RAM running at 2933MHz and graphics cores at 1500MHz
>45 FPS average in FurMark
And that frequency requires voltage to be increased by about 100mV, which makes the APU guzzle power and my VRMs overheat. It's not worth it at all. In comparison, overclocking RAM adds very little power consumption for a much stronger benefit. I could probably get even better results by fine-tuning timings and the like, but my board doesn't have good boot failure recovery so it'd very tiresome.
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>>93678885
Imagine paying $100 for fake frames.
Couldn't be me.
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>>93679373
I've been using an X230 thinkpad for the past 2 years, so no thunderbolt.
My laptop before that was an Asus with a geforce 940m GPU.
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>>93679450
>>93679450
>>93679450
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>>93679413
DLSS is not fake frames.
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>>93679413
>le fake frames

Looks the same. In fact DLSS is starting to look better.
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>>93679413
You're still in cope mode over DLSS Super Res. You'll catch up some day
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>>93679464
The pic I'm replying to has frame gen enabled on the 4060Ti.
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>>93679087
>Are you really going to feel good about some RAM, mATX board, gold PSU, mini case and 0 dB?
maybe. I just don't treat myself or anything so I thought I'd build a pc.
I'm probably overthinking it and should just get the ATX case and go from there.

>You could have gotten quads if you didn't type :3
a painful lesson to learn.
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>>93679474
>>93679484
Two dumbasses that don't know I'm talking about frame generation on the 1440p picture.
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>>93679582
Oh I do, you're just in cope mode. Cope about Super Res, then cope about Frame Gen, then back again to Super Res.

>For the testing below we picked a difficult scenario--gameplay at 1080p, so it's easier to see small differences, and running at low FPS, which makes the difference between frames bigger, so the Frame Generation algorithm has to work even harder. NVIDIA made it clear to us that you'll get the best Frame Generation results when doubling FPS rates of 60+, and that artifacts at very low FPS rates are not unexpected.
>It's really hard to spot any differences, even at reduced playback speed. The barbed wire on top of the walls is challenging for DLSS 3, and some minor artifacts are visible behind moving car in the background, but nothing you'd notice during normal gameplay. Movement appears MUCH smoother due to the higher framerate, especially when the wall is in foreground.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/35.html

Poorfag luddies hate smoothness because they don't have it
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>>93679636
Not enough games to pay $100 for fake frames, you're the one in cope mode.
Some of us play actually good games.
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>>93679654
That's quite a lot. More every day.
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>>93679664
Your favorite Dead Space doesn't even support it.
It's not enough for a core feature, no matter how you want to spin it.
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>>93679693
It shipped with DLSS2. Unfortunate that devs don't put more effort into their games. I have a lot of technical and graphical complaints about the Dead Space remake; personally I wish that they would have waited to remake it until it could be path traced. I didn't ask for a Dead Space remake.
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>>93677415
What is that on the chair and 2 of them on the desk?



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