>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped>NEWSRTX 4060 Ti 8GB (AD106, $400 MSRP) RELEASED, REVIEWS LIVERX 7600 (Navi33, $270 MSRP) RELEASED, REVIEWS LIVERTX 4060 Ti 16GB (AD106, $500 MSRP) and RTX 4060 (AD107, $300 MSRP) slated for July>!!ATTENTION!!All Zen 4 CPU classes and all motherboard vendors have an issue with burnt sockets+CPUs. Update to the latest non-beta BIOS ASAP and check SoC voltage. https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?t=2210 [Open]Make sure that a 12VHPWR connector is fully seated in its socket, otherwise the connection can melt. https://youtu.be/ig2px7ofKhQ?t=1345 [Open]>CPUS**HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105Gaming: i5 13400, i5 13500; budget: R5 5600eXtreme gaming: R7 7800X3D; existing AM4 board: R7 5800X3DMulticore: R9 7950X; budget: i5 13500**Existing AM4 board with an old chip? A Zen 3 CPU is likely the best option>GPUS1080p: RX 6700 XT; budget: RX 6600; ultra budget: used GTX 1660 Super1440p: RTX 4070; RT: RTX 4070 Ti2160p: RTX 4090; budget: RTX 4070 TiAmateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090>RAMDDR4: 2x 16GB 3600 MT/s CL18DDR5: AM5/Zen4 - 2x 16GB 6000 MT/s CL30; 13th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 6400MT/s CL32>COOLERSStandout: Peerless Assassin 120https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/>PSUSAim for 50-75% PSU utilization at full system loadNot worth buying a new PSU unless it's ATX 3.0 complianthttps://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/>SSDSStandout: WD SN770, Kingston KC3000Avoid: Outdated Samsung 970 Evo Plus, cheapest NVMe SSDshttps://ssd.borecraft.com/>MOTHERBOARD INFO:AM4 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature advisable with Ryzen 5000LGA1700 B660/Z690 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature required with Core 13th gen>GAMING MONITORShttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4DPrevious: >>93658731
remember to buy several 4060ti's right now, the more you buy the more you save!
Explain yourselves, aymd fansisters
Should I return my 7800x3d/4090 build for a 13600k/4070?I have more money than I know what to do with but I didn’t accumulated it by spending like this. Also I’m not sure I’m really going to use all this power, I was intending to test training some LLM models for certain tasks but I’ve gotten too busy. Also, Intel and the 8-pin 4070 both avoid the house fire issues the 7800/4090 have.Right now I just have a high refresh rate 1080p monitor (or 4). Would need to get a new display. Still need to finish a backlog of games from the 2000s.
>>93665494yes but buy a chromebook
What are these washers included with my case for? There are 8, so I guess they could be used with the mobo screws, but are these things really necessary?
>>93665477Explain what? Why Nvidia's stock went up after their latest earnings call?Because investors expected their quarterly income to decrease by 70% this quarter, but it only decreased by 50% instead.
>>93665494the 7800x3d, yesthe 4090, keep iteven if you don't use the ML capabilities, its a fucking great gpu to haveif we had a proper 4080, that had close to the same capabilties except a little less vram or something, then i'd advise to go for thatbut right now, its either 4090 with a ad102 chip, or a ubercucked "4080" on ad103, with nearly half as many cores... oh, and get new monitorsi'd suggest 1x neo g7 miniled as a main monitor, flanked by 2x 32/4k/60hz ips, dealers choice on models, doesn't matter too much
>>93665494I would say keep the 7800X3D if it's already assembled. Too much work to rebuild. Just return the 4090 for the 4070 and get a good 4K HDR monitor
>>93665553actually their income increased this quarter, picrelit was the datacenter market that saved them, but nevertheless it increased. gaming cards are still selling very poorly tho, but the market doesn't care yet.
>>93665477There was a hearing in Congress about how to regulate "AI" and "investors" heard about it and think they're smart for getting in early when nobody else knows about nvidias domination in the "AI" hardware space.
>>93665589Revenue is not income, and that's still a decrease anyway. Quarterly income and revenue statistics are calculated year over year, not quarter to quarter.
>>93665625i kneel, econ-sama
>>93665625but dey r gonna buy TSMC even tho buying ARM got blocked :DDD
>spent an hour looking for reasons my cpu was running so hot>flash forward>realize I was looking at F and temperatures are usually in CYou got me, MSI. Got me good.
>>93665589>2q22 6507>2q23 6704I mean it's more, but only by 3%.
wot should I upgrade?
>>93665738Maybe monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, mic, mousepad, etc
>>93665738Get some 3600C14 b-dies or the 5800x3d
>>93665767I don't really play video games anymore, wouldn't the 5800x3d be a downgrade? I got the 5900x cuz c0res since I do work in unreal engine and other design software
>>93665738wot about your current performance leaves you wanting?
the motherboard i am looking at doesn't have integrated wifi, what wireless adapters should i be looking at? pcie ones? usb?
The final installment of the Red Magic Saga….I have decided to keep the monitor. It’s significantly better than my VG27AQL1A, even with the terrible matte coating. FALD is just too good to give up. The HDR on this thing is incredible too. Turns out my boot issues were due to a bad DisplayPort cable. I don’t understand it but using the included cable instead of a third party one fixed my issues. I still get black screens when alt tabbing out of some games, but this is an Nvidia limitation. Overall I think this monitor was worth the money. It was $869 bucks with no tax or shipping. Much better than any other monitor in this price range.
>>93665789It's a downgrade if you frequently use more than 8 cores
whats the best bang for your buck gpu + cpu combo? 5600x & 6700xt?
start buying from ebay
>>93665835Buy one with integrated wifi, dummy.>>93665836>but this is an Nvidia limitation.I'm not so sure about that. I'd rather blame the monitor's SoC>$869 bucks with no tax or shipping. Much better than any other monitor in this price range.I don't think there are any other substantially different 27" 4K miniLED monitors, so it's not like you have a choice between panel type or refresh rate, etc. Other close in price monitors are the Neo G7, 42" C2, or PG27AQDM, all with their own pros and cons.>I have decided to keep the monitorEnjoy, anon. I'll join you in HDR nirvana soonTM>>936659846600 is the best value. Anything above that is the "it fits my personal sense of value" value option. 6700 XT is fine at 1080p, but at 1440p, the 4070 is worth the extra money. And to me personally, 1440p is better value.
Once it’s built what do I need to update?flashed the bios alreadyObv windowsThe graphics card driversthe chipset drivers?what else?
>>93666061>6600 is the best valueit's 180$ on newegg right now, can't really beat that
>>93666061>4070 is worth the extra money.6700xt is capable doing 4k 60fps. 4070 is 2x the price but with 30% increased performance. thats not value.
>>93666061One last update. This is what the monitor looks like up close. Apparently, this is not because of the matte coating. It's because of the miniled array.
>>93666025>buy from ebay>get scammed and lose everythingno way fag
>>93666103Your 3 different rgb customizer software
>>93665738hold until Zen5
>>93665720Yes they use a measurement that actually makes sense.Maybe ameritards should follow suite?
>>93665738What car do u drive?
>>93665625>Trying to explain money to current year Nvidia fanboys.I appreciate the effort.
>>93666061>4070 is worthIt's the worst value, like any Nvidia card except 4090 at the moment
>>93665835Pcie. Wifi 6/bluetooth 5.4And has a seperate antenna that can be mounted anywhere, not the gay little duck ears that just sit at the back, they suck>pic relatedSomething like that
>>936657675900x>5800x3dDo people really ??
>>93666103Just go to the mobo website and dl everything in the driver sectionDone
Is getting a 3060 a bad idea? My GPU is like 7 years old and still mostly runs the games I like, so I don't think I need to break the bank on a GPU since basically anything modern is an improvement.
safe to assume rdna2 will keep dropping in price? mainly looking at 6650xt/6700(xt).
>>93666323If the 4060 had 12G of vram I'd tell you to wait for the 4060, but it doesn't so I don't know.
why do you buy a worse product when nvidia gpus are right there
>>93666125>6700xt is capable doing 4k 60fps.Don't make me laugh. By that logic, a 1660 Super is capable of 4K 60FPS.>>93666126What am I supposed to see here? Speckling?>>93666244Right now there's a $60 difference between the last gen featureless space heater known as the 6800 XT and the nextgen 4070. I can't imagine how poor you'd have to be to see that difference and think losing DLSS (both super res and framegen), decent RT perf, decent drivers, etc, etc is worth it to save a measly $60. Too poor for a "midrange" graphics card, for sure>>93666362All graphics card prices are falling right now. We're probably near the floor on the cheapest products like the RX 6600, as at much below $200, no one's making money. I would expect the 6700 XT and above to keep falling until they start to run out of stock, and I wouldn't expect the 7600 to hold its MSRP for long. Even the MSI RTX 4070 just got a $40 coupon code>>93666323I would pick a demanding game that you want to play and see what graphics card will give you the performance you want. A 3060 isn't terrible, but it's not great next to a 6700 XT for the same price. Personally, I'd much rather have an Nvidia card
>>93666275in more than 6 core loads, but not in games however that anon >>93666323if you're not planning on getting into the AI meme then get a RX6700 if you can still get it for $270, however everywhere I look they seem to have gone up to $300.>>93666362nah these are stock clearing prices, once its gone the RX7600 replaces the 6600-6750XT until the RX7600XT (Navi 33XT) comes out and replaces the 6600XT/6650XT/6750XT. I really hope AMD is paying attention and only offers a 16gb 7600XT.then eventually the 7700XT Navi 32 will replace the 6700/6700XT/6750XT>>93666367if the 4060 had 16gb even without uplift for $300 AMD would be in serious trouble. however it will still outsell the RX7600 when it releases.
>>93666220I drive a 2019 honda civic sedan sport in blue. unironically love the car lol
Okay, the unironic nvidia shilling is funny at first but now it’s getting tiring.
>>93666457>>93666485You need to stop
>>93666275>>93666485>in more than 6 core loads, but not in games however that anon*that anon seemingly is using it for multithreaded loads.let me add more, they could go to 13600K/13700K/13900K or 7900X/7950X/7950X3D but I think its really not worth upgrading from the 5900X yet.Zen5 8950X or RL-R 14900K is probably when he would want to upgrade.>>93666510ew, I'm not the mass replier nvidia shill.
>>93666323if your previous gpu was a rtx 2060 6gb or a 1070, it's a bad upgrade. You basically have a fine 1080p 60fps gpu. a 3060 is basically the same gpu but with more vram.if you got a 1030 or 1050 or 970, then a 3060 is a big upgrade, but most people would pick the 3060 ti in exchange for more fps less vram.prices are kind of fucked up, you might find a used 6600 XT (note the XT) for a great deal locally, but the used market is pretty aggressive sometimes.honestly if you want 5 year future proofing you can get a cheap used 3090, it's not the best bang per buck, but sorry, your upgrade isn't in the bang-per-buck price range.
>>93665477>buy alot of nvidia stock a month ago>mfw seeing this
>>93666566>can get a cheap used 3090stop trying to sell your roastie cards minerfag
>>93666294If the mobo one is different to the one on the AMD website should I get the amd site one?
>>93666687I would use whichever is newer
Went to nvidia and intel subreddits for curiosity and read few entire threads. It’s worse than the memes about reddit spread around here… “do you have some academic blind peer-reviewed research to back up that factual claim” – “bro here you go all the tools, do the research yourself, complete spoon-feed” – “ah but that’s not a real-world case”.On threaded discussion above resolves an issue then the next one below in the same thread contradicts it.It’s obvious that it’s full of kids that are autistic or something on top of that. No sign of coherence, abhorrent rhetoric, logical fallacies all the time.4chan’s /pcgb/ is not a paradise, it’s infested with trolls but none of the above are problems in average across 2 – 3 threads, even newcomers read the entire thread or at least the relevant discussions and make their own mind. Active posters influence each other with ideas over threads etc.
>>93666598brand new 6600 or 2060 is like $300 (personally for my local area, 2060's are only 30% cheaper than store prices with taxes accounted), meanwhile 3090's on ebay are legit dirt cheap, nowhere near msrp.are you seriously telling me miners are killing 3090's that only came out 3 years ago, and mining was basically non-profitable due to asics during that time too?
>>93666457>DLSSAny supersapling technology makes games look worse.>framegenFramegen is as bad as dlss 1.0, maybe even worse, can't even cope here like with current dlss.>decent RT perfAlso useless technology since devs barely make any games that actually utilise it to its fullest. Like 2 or 3 since 2018, should wait for ps6 with RT cores to start considering this technology.>decent driversTrue, Nvidia has way better drivers and services, can't deny that.>is worth it to save a measly $60You are missing the most important part here- vram, it has more vram and thanks to that vram it can outperform it's better value. Even framegen is against low vram cuz it stores frames in it, so if you are out of vram it won't help, it will even make things worse.
>>93665563>good 4k HDR monitorat least 1200 usd.
Any AMD card way cheaper than a 4070 that can do native 120 fps 1080p?
>>93665738you mind telling me how you got this visual? I'm trying to get together my specs as well
Any 6900XT owners here who have installed the new AyyMD drivers (23.5.1)? I'm getting black screen flickers with it.
>>93666730>>93666457I'll make it more clear here
>>93666717>mining was basically non-profitable due to asicsyou're definitely a minerfag holding onto a bag full of used 3090s or clueless>>93666795hwinfo64
>>93666730>Any supersapling technology makes games look worse.Also adds latency.
Does such a monitor exist?>27 to 34 inches>glossy>HDR600 or higher>Under $1000
>>93666844Also not curved, please.
>>93666844You can effortlessly remove the coating panel to 90% of older monitors. I think the producers started to put some fucked up coating after that became a trend and now you can hardly do that with newer ones.>HDR 600Not worth it.It's not even 25% of dog shit quality HDR and at that point you're just playing SDR at hundreds of nits like a retard, searing your eyes forever.Everyone should learn to game at 100-120 nits. Only excuse to go above that is if it happens that you play in direct sunlight but at that point you should not game in that situation for extended periods of time, you can always add a monitor hood and simulate a dark room in plain daylight.Over 90% of IPS monitors are not curved, over 90% of the VA ones are curved, including the only ones worth buying the Odyssey series.
>>93666730>>93666802>memes about vram>posts a benchmark where 12gb cards perform worse than 8gb cardsAnon, at least try to find a benchmark that supports your argument. Pic related. VRAM != performance. Never has, never will.>Any supersapling technology makes games look worse.Absolutely false. Many games have bad TAA. 90% of Unreal games look better in DLSS Quality than full res TAA, and you get a 30% performance boost. Not only that, you can use DLSS in combination with DSR or DLSDSR to get cheap super native image quality.>Framegen is as bad as dlss 1.0False. Most people who have used framegen (including me) would disagree with you>Also useless technology since devs barely make any games that actually utilise [RT] to its fullestAlmost every new game comes out with RT. I've post plenty of screenshots of Portal RTX and Metro Exodus Enhanced, both path traced (or basically path traced in the case of Metro EE). Not worth buying a graphics card that can't into RT>>93666752Yeah, but after returning the 4090, he'll have money burning a hole in his pocket
>>93666835You lied to me.
>>93666926>after returning the 4090Then he won't have good fps at 4k.Might as well buy the best possible 1440p monitor at 27 inch since there's no difference between that and a 4k one due to anti-aliasing and even DLSS smoothing out things over that ~109 ppi, just how our vision resolves details, a human trick you should abuse.
>>93666931not my fault your playing games that require a 4090 to run
>>936669829 out of 10 games in that test do under 90 FPS while the 4070 does 100-120+0jg_CjeYijonow going to watch 2 more videos to confirm it
>>93666993As expensive as 4070. I only go AMD if it's way cheaper with same performance.
>>93667013oh yeah, I assumed you were in the us where the 6950XT and the 4070 are the same price.in the US its $100 cheaper
>>93666810you pick new 6600 for $300 (CAD), you get:8gb of vram1080p performanceyou pick used 3090, $1000, you get:2.4x more performance based on userbenchmark24gb of vram (3x more)4k 60fps, 1440p 200+fps, max settings.VR capablefuture proof for at least 5 yearsTechnically speaking 3090 is not the best bang per buck, since the 6600 is new and 3090 is used, but for me the used 6600 aren't cheap enough to make it worth buying (save $100 to lose return period and 3 year warranty, not even a noticeable upgrade for many older GPU's).Also I don't know what I am missing, did miners actually use the 3090 for mining? China already banned crypto in 2021, what happened recently with crypto (implying that they were even using 3090's because the cost of electricity to run them were more expensive than the value of coins, and ASIC's exist).
>>93666836DLSS generally improves latency, because the framerate is higher.>>93666844>glossy>monitor form factorBasically doesn't exist>>93666947He said he's mostly playing old games, not that they have HDR.>>93667034>in the us where the 6950XT and the 4070 are the same price.4070 is $40 cheaper, and overall better.
>>93667041>I don't know what I am missing, did miners actually use the 3090 for mining? China already banned crypto in 2021, what happened recently with crypto (implying that they were even using 3090's because the cost of electricity to run them were more expensive than the value of coins, and ASIC's exist).definitely a 3090 mining farm ownerdid you miss the entirety of 2021 and early 2022 GPUs being 2-4 time MSRP because of Ethereum mining?you're either stupid or pretending to be retarded as you own cards and want to get rid of them because you're advising people to buy a used 3090 that was likely abused and then hosed down to sell on ebay.buying used 3080s is dumb because a new 4070 or 6950XT is $600 buying used 3090s is dumb because a new 7900XT is $760.
>>93667095>DLSS generally improves latency, because the framerate is higher.It adds latency by default, you might reduce the total latency if you boost the FPS by a lot.youtu.be/osLDDl3HLQQAnything AI related that uses extra chips on the GPU will add latency to your tasks gaming or not.
What are the best 4TB SSDs? Or is 4TB too unreliable? I want to populate my mobo's gumslots
>>93666926>Pic related. VRAM != performanceIt is when stressed enough, as we can see 6800xt beats it.>Absolutely falseAbsolutely true, in motion DLSS will kill everything. Webm shows it pretty good.>FalseTrue, in motion it's very bad, especially when you see certain types of lights.>Almost every new game comes out with RTYes, but almost all of them have very bad implementation that isn't working properly, even path tracing is still in pretty bad shape and pretty much worthless unless rt will become the main thing in games.
Is mass replier nvidia poster /g/‘s very own barry?
>>93667095>4070 is $40 cheaperI am not seeing that on PCPP>overall better.not really, the 6950XT beats it by a hefty amount in raster and has more Vram. the main downside is that the 6950XT is power hungry like the 3090.DLSS 2.3 quality is better, but DLSS 3.0 adds latency and the visual quality isn't much better than FSR 2.06950XT will have FSR 3.0 eventually and I'm pretty sure XeSS is getting good now too.your argument is true about the 6800XT vs the 4070 but the 6950XT's only downside is if you don't have a 750W PSU its better to get the 4070.basically when the 6800XT is $100 cheaper than the 4070 get the 6800XT.at the same price as the 6800XT, get the 4070 every time.when the 6950XT and 4070 are the same price, get the 6950XT unless you have a power supply under 750W then get the 4070.I thought we already settled all of this at the start of the month.
Why are all of the sideways cases so old?
Looking for some decent, mid-tier upgrades for this budget build I've been on >MonitorsAcer SB220Q and Dynex BBY LCD TV (both at 60hz)Based on some recent research and estimates, I'd say I'm willing to pool together around 1-1.5K (USD) overtime as a working college student. I'm looking to make a reliable upgrade so I don't have to worry about overloading shit in the future even if my work and gaming are considered low maintenance. Better safe than sorry kind of dealAs for the monitors, I'm working with about 43.5 inch of space on my desk, so anyway I can escape 60 FPS hell without running out of room would be cool (think I'll just look for these on my own though)
>>93667134Hello /v/ friend.No it's not comparable, he's not a being of chaos.
>>93667129>It is when stressed enough, as we can see 6800xt beats it.That's not because of the VRAM, dummy. 3080 10GB is better than the 6800 XT in that title.>in motionOften better than full res TAA. Funny that you use Portal RTX as an example, as full res is pretty bad in that game. Jaggie as hell.https://imgsli.com/MTc1OTMzHere's a shot of RDR2 in motionhttps://imgsli.com/MTgwNTAw/2/3But generally if you have to zoom way in to see some artifact (or the reconstruction come apart), you've already lost, as that's not noticeable during general gameplay.>worthless unless rt will become the main thingYou're paying for RT with Radeon. Not worth paying for such bad performance when, like I said, all new games come out with RT effects. Even the Dead Space remake had RTAO>>93667112Did you even watch the video you posted?https://youtu.be/osLDDl3HLQQ?t=683
>>93667280>upscaling using a dedicated chip does not add any latency at the exact same FPSPlease, never reply to me again you subhuman mass quoter.
>blow my load building the best computer i can>unplug my headset so I don't feel restricted>5 minutes later it beeps telling me its dying>check battery>10 minutes remaining>plug it in>2 minutes later says its fully chargedI can't afford a replacement battery, let alone a new headset. Why is life like this.
If I already built a computer and have been just using the processor's integrated graphics, can I just pop in a GPU and have it work or do I need to reinstall the OS?
>>93667305Just install the driver for it.
>>93667201>I am not seeing that on PCPPnvm, found it.yeah that makes the 6800XT vs a 4070 a harder value, but the 6950XT is still a better buy against the 4070.if the 4070 drops another $20 and more cards drop under $600 then yeah the 6950XT will become harder to recommend.>>93667234desktop cases went out of fashion in the mid 90s because boomers wanted desk space even though the monitors were already taking up desk space
>>93667122If you don't need NVMe, I'd go for 870 Evo.
>>93667201$40 discount code on the MSI 4070.>has more VramWho. fucking. cares. Irrelevant.>beats it by a hefty amount in rasterOnly by turning the 6950 XT into a housefire, and even then, it's slower in RT, which is where you actually need the performance: demanding new games.>adds latencyYou are retarded. 99% chance you weren't using Reflex, you're just looking for a way to convince yourself framegen is sour grapes. 60FPS --> 90FPS using framegen was much more pleasant for me in Portal RTX. If you want to read W1zzard's comments on it:>For the testing below we picked a difficult scenario--gameplay at 1080p, so it's easier to see small differences, and running at low FPS, which makes the difference between frames bigger, so the Frame Generation algorithm has to work even harder. NVIDIA made it clear to us that you'll get the best Frame Generation results when doubling FPS rates of 60+, and that artifacts at very low FPS rates are not unexpected.>It's really hard to spot any differences, even at reduced playback speed. The barbed wire on top of the walls is challenging for DLSS 3, and some minor artifacts are visible behind moving car in the background, but nothing you'd notice during normal gameplay. Movement appears MUCH smoother due to the higher framerate, especially when the wall is in foreground.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/35.htmlThe kicker is that framegen is "MUCH smoother" when latency is already good enough.>basically when the 6800XT is $100 cheaper than the 4070 get the 6800XT.First of all, it isn't, and secondly, not worth. You don't buy last gen (especially Radeon) for a small discount
>>93667343>T. 4070 owner tells you why the 4070 was a good buy for himOkay
>>93667292Sent>>93667249Enable XMP in BIOS and then repost. I'll show you how to match RAM>1-1.5K (USD) overtimeLG 42" C2, RTX 4070, another 2x 8GB RAM. That C2 will be nice when you have girls over>>93667326>the 6950XT is still a better buy against the 4070.I can't get on board. No one wants a 350W+ housefire at his side. There's just no way any of the 6950 XT could ever be a reasonable purchase
Is it worth getting a 7800x3d if i have a 3070ti or should I get a 7700x/7950x? Want to upgrade to AM5 but not sure what cpu to get.
He keeps rambling about Portal Ray Traced on a loop...>I had a blast therefore you all should use RT in all games because of this use-case of mineHe's good at repeating solid points from other people but never let mass quoter think or produce original ideas, those would be abominable. So always ask for a source when you engage him, for a proof.
>>93667469check for deals, like a microcenter combo
>>93667280>That's not because of the VRAMI was talking about 6800xt vs 4070>PortalYou are posting screenshots rather than actual gameplay, in static scenes it looks ok, but everything falls apart after >RDR2 in motionHere it also is worse than TAA even>But generally if you have to zoom way in to see some artifactYou don't, I zoom in to reduce webms size and make it more obvious as well. DLSS is just a way to cope with low FPS by making your games visually worse. And sadly it's very noticeable.
Nvidia reflex doesn't do anything beyond what a framelimit would - it doesn't magically reduce total latency beyond that so at 60-90 fps you're till way above 50 ms total latency which is abominable, you're basically watching a movie.
>>93667465>No one wants a 350W+ housefire at his side.cards went out of control with power last gen and thankfully only the 4090 and 7900XT are 350W+ this gen.thats why I added the qualifier, if you don't have a 750W or higher PSU choose the 4070.you seem weirdly uncompromising about this which is why people call you a shill.
Hi guys. I enjoy making experimental videos and playing premiere pro like it's a video game, my old 2016 macbook isn't working hardenuf for me and I want to make my own pc build with a 1.4k budget that will make all my RAM and rendering problems disappear. problem is that I am a real retard with no idea where to start on bulding an idea of what is most relvant to these needs. Ive heard ryz AMD is the way to go, but have also heard that i7 is friendlier to mac information...really, no idea. Has anyone got any advice for me? Any direction would be greatly appreciated, tysm :)
>>93667280>>93667490>You're paying for RT with RadeonYes but the price of RT is still lower and I get more actually useful things like VRAM and raw performance.>RT effectsThat are half-baked and actually break immersion when you are trying to experiment with it, like your character's reflection missing, incorrect light reflections, incorrect tracing and etc. It's better to save FPS instead of using something that is barely working. Should wait for ps6 as I said, right now it's kinda meh
>>9366754413600K + 4070 is probably best for you
>>93667477>my own experience>is actually other people's pointsNope, I'm just smarter and more experienced than you>>93667490>I was talking about 6800xt vs 4070That's called an out of context cherry pick. It doesn't support your position. You can see that VRAM isn't a problem in D4 >>93666926I'm using the latest DLSS DLL in RDR2. Performance and image quality is improved. I guess you're complaining about a small amount of ghosting with the old version of DLSS? TAA has its own flaws. Look at the upper railing in the closest right buildinghttps://imgsli.com/MTgwNTAw/0/1It's honestly hard to tell from your webm what's not just a compression artifact. but I appreciate the attempt.>>93667521>weirdly uncompromisingIt's not just the power consumption. There are so many compromises with Radeon. I just highlighted the power consumption because it automatically removes the 6950 XT from consideration
>>93667550>actually useful things like VRAMDLSS is way more useful than VRAM will ever be
>>93667618the 3070 is proof this isn't true.
>>93667544Intel works better with adobe products and Nvidia GPUs also accelerate faster there.>>936675894070 is overkill for him, second hand 3060 12gb would suffice
>>93667637I guess you can believe HWUB hit pieces, or you can take two seconds and switch from the raw Ultra textures to the identical quality High textures. Over the last 2+ years of the 3060 Ti / 3070's life (and generally into the future), DLSS and the other Nvidia features have outweighed any increase in VRAM, relative to price competing Radeon products. There might be one or two edge cases where the 3070 could provide better performance under playable settings, but generally the card has enough VRAM for its performance. TLoU runs well with very good image quality on 8GB cards, and the RT in REm4ke is worse than no RT, so it's not an example of anything except that mindlessly setting Ultra is dumb. The only game where I've seen actual VRAM complaints is Hogwarts Legacy, but even then the 6700 XT is sub 60FPS at equivalent settings from what I've seen, so you're still forced to optimize settings. And of course Hogwarts has both DLSS and FSR, and DLSS is massively better than FSR in it
>>93667752Nvidia shills are really desperate.
>>93667773But Nvidia users aren't poor, and it's poor people who reek of desperation
>>93667602>That's called an out of context cherry pick.Nope, it shows that 6800xt just has more overhead in both situations- pref+vram.>I'm using the latest DLSS DLLIt doesn't matter, when you move dlss just becomes way worse in pretty much any game across pretty much all of its versions.>small amount of ghostingThis is pretty much huge amount of ghosting since I notice during freeroam.>TAA has its own flawsYes but those are random at least, some games introduce different issues, DLSS is pretty much always unstable image during gameplay, so I got tired of it pretty quickly.>Continues to post picsWell, proves my point>not just a compression artifact.Selective compression artifacts? That's just copium at this point.
>>93667658>4070Thank you both, its interesting to hear the recommendations. I am writing it all down in my diary. Out of curiosity, why recommend the i5 13600K over an i7? is it to do with the budget?
>>93667786Nvidia shills are third worlders who get paid 10c per post
>>93667786nvidia is the iphone of graphics cards. even poor people have them, and poor people are overrepresented in owning them
>>93667809runs hot, requires an all in one or undervolting on a very big air cooler
>>93667809Because it's cheaper and just as powerful roughly speaking, the increase in cost for i7 does not translate in productivity scores on benchmarks in any meaningful way and they're identical at gaming.Software encoding anything above 8 threads is asking for trouble unless it's vp9, so even beyond that edge case you just don't see benefits from say the extra multi-core perf of the i7.Besides lower price which keeps going lower it's also a more efficient CPU, especially if you bother to undervolt it.
>>93667465>Enable XMPI forgot I disabled that while tweaking with shit
>>93667618>DLSS is way more useful Well, if you like to decrease image quality then yeah, could be true. I prefer good quality and high FPS, rather than bad quality and high FPS.
isnt the 3060ti around as powerful as the 1080ti? why do people say that only a 4090 is viable for 4k which is like 3x that
>>93667836Oh cool I see. Thanks for explaining pragmatically. And which Nvidia gpu would be best to go for? Do they tend to be more expensive.
>>936678664k might require above 8gb of vram for high quality textures, 4k displays tend to have high ppi so YOU DO NOTICE the difference between high and very high and even ultra.In terms of the chip otherwise being fast enough for 60 fps 4k, sure, it is.
>>936678744070 is the best for your usecase and even intense gaming if you want to buy new, but you can get away with a 3060 12gb model if you buy it second hand, people sell them extremely cheap nowadays
>>936678664k is a moving target with new games that are ever harder to run
>>936678664k what? war thunder?
>>93667801This artifact never happened in my playthrough. Just a problem with an old version of the game. Are you clipping youtube videos or your own gameplay? I'm doubting that you have access to DLSS.>NopeYep. You definitely have laser focus on a comparison that gets disproven if you look anywhere else in the chart>doesn't matterYou're just bullshitting now>>93667820>>93667823Come on, rajeesh. The only argument anyone in here can make for Radeon is """"saving"""" the $60 they need to eat for the next two weeks>>93667862That's not DLSS, retard. That's a screen space reflection, and if you don't like SSR, better pony up for RT.>>93667866>why do people say that only a 4090 is viable for 4kDepends on the games you're playing. New games, high quality (RT? can't even enable the setting with a 1080 Ti), the 1080 Ti will be struggling.
>>93667866i play at 4k on my 3060 and massively rely on dlss and reduce settings.max settings is a meme. people are playing zelda on 720p blurry blown out shit and love it.
>>93667862that happens in games all the time with the old way reflections were drawn, since its based on the players line of sight, which some objects sloppily obscure and create effects like youre seeing there.
>>93667915>Come on, rajeesh. The only argument anyone in here can make for Radeon is """"saving"""" the $60 they need to eat for the next two weeksiphones are high quality devices retard. poor people are willing to pay more for a better product.
>>93667752>HWUB hit piecesStopped reading right here. If you disparage one of the very few good technical reviewers, odds are you're either mislead by a shill or a shill yourself. Whatever the case may be, it's definitely misguided.>>93667786Doesn't Nvidia have, like, 60% market share or whatever? Can't achieve that without tons of poor people.
why is AMD's stock rising?
>>93667786>But Nvidia users aren't poorI am after buying an Nvidia product.
>>93667968adoredtv's leak about their AI chips
>>93667915>retardSomeone is getting angry, kekBut I'm already starting to kek at RT, since Exodus was posted and I already proved how bad DLSS actually is.
>>93667944The vast majority of the poor people of the world have an Andriod phone. Third worldies do not use iPhones.>>93667964Oh yeah, HWUB never puts out hit pieces on Nvidia or Intel, unfairly disparages them, or shills Radeon constantly. Sorry, that's in the parallel universe I come from.
>Nvidia's stock just reached a new highNo more cheap GPUs from Nvidia, it's over
oy vey they knowquick pull up the cyberpunk raytracing benchmarks before they figure out they dont need to upgrade
>>93667986not talking about 3rd worlders. nvidia is the iphone of graphics cards. they make a high quality product that costs more and people buy it because it works and a lot of influencers use them.you act like iphones are a bad thing.
Should I buy a replacement battery for my decaying headset or get a new one?I've been using the g933 for years cause it's comfy on my head, but the faults are starting to annoy me.
Intel better have something competitive for 2024 or they're going to continue bleeding money
should I wait for 7700xt or just buy 6700xt now?6700xt in my country is slowly becoming cheaper option than even a weaker 3060, not to mention 3060ti7600 is out and it ist a complete joke - around 20% more power draw and 70$ more expensive than 6600 for like 10 fps more in games so I'm really worried for profitability of 7700xt when I can buy 6700xt already for cheaper price than 3060or maybe i should say fuck it and just buy 6800xt for 100$ more? 16 GB VRAM seems like future proof idea for next couple of years
>>93668036If you do that you won't even bump the steam charts by 0.001%, does AMD even show up with at least 2% on any card?
>>93665738go for an Arrow Lake CPU in 2024, and a Blackwell GPU in 2025
>>93668036wait for the RX 7800 XT
>>93668059If arrow lake will use the chiplet architecture it'll be garbage.
>>93667992nobody here cares about datacenter prices bro
>>93668084Arrow Lake is going to bring anywhere from 30-40% IPC increase from Alder Lake. Intel's MCM is not going to have the same latency problem that Ryzen suffered from
>>93668095the vast majority of people on /g/ want Nvidia to official drop prices on their RTX 30 and 40 series GPUs, and return to Pascal pricing.
>>93668099I'm fine I'll go with the monolithic design. You go beta test their new garbage because you have such strong blind faith.
>>93668084oh anon, they're not chiplets but shapely tiles!totally different!
>>93668105Nvidia will just raise datacenter prices and segment their lineup/lock down AI on gaymen GPUs, 5060s or whatever next gen wont cost $2000, they're enough of a blunder at these prices already
>>93668172Just read an entire thread about latency and other issues and an intel engineer said that he agrees with the issues people point but that the chiplets allow them to save money and to retarded shit like as TSMC for a more powerful GPU tile, put some AI accelerator and so on.
>>93667842Seems like you have 3000MT/s 16 - 18 - 18 - 38. Most RAM with those timings is 3200MT/s. Run thaiphoon burner as well, as it'll sometimes give you multiple XMP profiles. Personally I'd find a local place that has a customer friendly return policy to the buy RAM, as I wouldn't bet on getting the right sub-timings on the first try. RAM is only advertised by the primary timing. You can also just try to pick up a used/new kit of identical RAM. A RAM capacity upgrade isn't really necessary at this point, it's just a nice to have.Here's a link for 3200 16 - 18 - 18 - 38 as an examplehttps://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=16384002&xcx=0&sort=price&TT=160-180-180-380&page=1>>93667984>Someone is getting angryI'm shitting on you, for sure. I'm mostly amused that you don't even know what you're posting>dlss is badDefinition of sour grapes. It's bad because you're stuck with FSR
>>93668175if they lock down the AI capabilities on the gaming GPUs then DLSS would not work anymore. Unless they come up with another rate limiter that is able to detect stablediffusion, chatgpt, etc
>>93667915Oh, didn't get mine (You)>This artifact never happened in my playthrough>Old version>I'm doubting that you have access to DLSSWell, I guess that's just another piece of copium because you can't really save this poor dlss.>anywhere else in the chartLet's look... Oh, even 6800 beats it, kek.I actually feel sorry for you, 4070 is just a meme and you unironically bought it.>You're just bullshitting now>Issues literally the aame through versions and gamesYeah, I guess there's a secret dev build and that just alpha version, two more weeks and it will be fixed.
>>93668079This. 7800xt will force Nvidia to refresh 4070 16GB especially if its cheaper than 4070 by MSRP.Waiting for 7800xt whether you are team red or green is the correct choice.
>>93668036wait for the RX 7700 XT and then decide if its worth it over the RX 6700 XT/6800 XT
>>93668024I think it depends on you. Probably ask in >>>/g/hgp>>93668030Intel is fairly competitive currently in desktop, even on a worse node than AMD.>>93668036VRAM is completely irrelevant for gaming if you're already considering 12GB or more. Do you want AV1 encode? That's one of the bigger differences between generations. Also there AMD has added some tensor core type blocks to RDNA3, which will probably allow for much higher quality upsampling in FSR3.>>93668256So you don't have access to DLSS. Makes sense why you're trying to convince yourself it's sour grapes.>secret dev buildNope, just a drop in DLL upgrade. Even little Timmy says DLSS is better in RDR2 when using the latest version.>feel sorry for youI don't think about you at all, except to shit on you in /pcbg/.
>>93668054i don't give a damn about steam charts and this whole battle of amd vs nvidiaalso i don't need rt and dlss and i'm not on this whole a.i. craze so it is natural for me to get stronger amd card for cheaper thant nvidia counterpart>>93668079is there any roadmap for premiere of each amd 7xxx series cards? is 7800xt going to premiere this year?
>>93668275Nvidia is not going to use the AD103 die for an RTX 4070 refresh, they will not cannibalize the RTX 4070 Ti. The current 4070 (AD104) is on a 192-bit bus and it allows for 12 or 24 GB of VRAM
>>93668315>i don't need rt and dlssYou don't need a car, either. You can probably walk everywhere you need to go, and you probably do.
>>93668181yes, AMD gambled with chiplets and won because it allows you to mix and match nodes and effectively turn a processor into an SoC of sorts and its scalable, eg threadripper using the same CCDs as Ryzen.it improves margins and maximises die efficiency by not using 200mm2 of TSMC N4 on cache when 250mm2 of TSMC N6 or Intel 7 does just fine performing that function.
>>93668342Sucks for latency dependent tasks such as real time interactions with financial transactions, gaming etc.Useful to scale tasks that no consumer needs scaling for tho.
>>93668319Then I’m going to buy 7800xt 16GB from my 2060.
>>93668319>Nvidia is not going to use the AD103 die for an RTX 4070 refreshThat's an unknown. It's certainly possible. The 2070 Super was the same die as the 2080 (TU104), while the 2070 was a lower die (TU106)
>>93668226>I'm shitting on you>Getting angrierIdk even, but seeing you instantly shutting up about RT kinda shows how bad the situation is for you.Should I give you some time to heal your wounds? >you're stuck with FSRFSR is shit as well as DLSS, as well as xess or whatever intel has, that's just common sense
>>93668244at the driver level its possible I think, they do that to gimp Geforce on professional applications right
>>93668226did some research and checked around, I guess I am a bit under huh? Could I just go into my BIOS and adjust the timings or anything to get it back up or should I just leave it and look for new sticks?
Nvidia could launch the RTX 4090 Ti 24GB on AD102RTX 4080 Ti 20GB on AD102RTX 4070 Ti 16GB on AD103
>>93668319>Nvidia is not going to use the AD103 die for an RTX 4070 refreshthere is a lot of performance between the 4070 and 4070ti, they could easily do a Super refresh.the 2070 Super was only 7% behind the 2080.the 2080 Super was 10% behind the 2080ti.Nvidia could easily do a 5/8th die AD103 which just underperforms a 4070ti but has 16gb of Vram.
>>93668394>FSR is shit as well as DLSSThis is what all the luddies in denial say. Meanwhile in reality, DLSS is often better than full res. That's why AMD tries to keep it out of their sponsored titleshttps://youtu.be/wPeC7QiG6Ig - AMD sponsored title, DLSS has both better image quality and better performance than full res TAA (FSR is a joke; it just amplifies TAA's problems)And of course there's the latest analysis of Cyberpunk from TPU>All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solution. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-xess-1-1-vs-fsr-2-1-vs-dlss-3-comparison/>>93668431>I am a bit under huh?It's not really about that, it's just about being easily able to match another 2x 8GB kit. If you can't match speed and timings, very slow JEDEC speeds will probably be the best you can do. Probably not worth buying a new kit of RAM if you can't just match the old sticks.
>>93667041>did miners actually use the 3090 for miningYes. I'm 100% sure the 3090 I got was an ex-mining card. Go on ebay or whatever other marketplace, and you can see people selling multiple 3090's.Still, mine is performing very well with no problems. After it arrived, I stress tested it and it passed everything I threw at it, only with temperatures a bit on the high side. After a repaste and repad, it's been chugging along fine.
>minor issue in game>think it's probably one of the hundred thousand settings I tweaked in the BIOS (they all ended up as the default anyways)>spend half an hour throwing shit at the wall to see if it works>start up game>issue persists>didn't even bother to see if it only happened with just that game (it did)
There is a huge gap between the RTX 4080 and the 4090, they have to address that first with the 4080 Ti. Also there is a huge gap between the RTX 4070 Ti and the 4080, so an launching an RTX 4070 Ti with 16GB makes sense. Then the AD102 die tops out at 144 SMs, yet the 4090 only uses 128 SMs. This means that an RTX 4090 Ti should be out by 2024.
>>936670413090 didn't even have MSRP iirc, it wasn't just used for mining, it was practically SOLD for mining
Nvidia could launch three GPUs, one is between the RTX 4070 and the 4070 Ti, and another one between the 4060 Ti and the 4070. The third GPU is the RTX 4050
>>93668598two of those shit values, one of those prolly just plain shit
4070 ti for 696.26 Euro.Buy or wait?
>>93665494>Should I return my 7800x3d/4090 build for a 13600k/4070?why? just buy a decent motherboard you moron either gigabyte or msi
>>93668685There's no telling what the future will hold. Buy if you need it / want it. Don't if you don't.
>>93668727If I buy it I become a gaymer. If I don't I don't become a gaymer and no suffer as a result since I've been off those since 2018.I could live only with the iGPU for everything else.
A) 900$i9-12900FMSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4Ram 32GB G.Skill Aegis 2x16 Dual Chanel, 3200MHz CL16 1.35vSSD M.2 Samsung 970 evo plus 250gbSSD M.2 ADATA LEGEND 1tb, PCIe Gen 3x4Cooler ARCTIC AC Freezer i35 A-RGB, 158 mmSeasonic B12 BC-850 850W 80+ Bronze, OPP, OVP, OCP, SCPFSP CMT211A RGB TG Mid-Tower, Black.B) 970$PC Ryzen 9 7900X Am5 + Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB AIO RGBKingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16 ) DDR5 5200MHz SPECIAL AMD EXPOGIGABYTE B650M DS3HCorsair RM750 750W 80 plus GoldCorsair 4000D Airflow AlbC) 800$i5-12400nVidia GeForce MSI RTX 3070 Ventus Gaming 2XCorsair Vengeance Pro RGB 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 mHzASUS H610M-K250GB NVME M.2 + 1TB Hard DiskCase: Aquirys Wezen BlackPower supply: Corsair VS650WD) 780$Ryzen 9-5900Asus Prime B550M-KRam 32Gb Corsair-Ssd M2 Samsung NVME 512GB;-Video GTX 1060,3 GB- nJoy 500W;Case Rampage 3 vent. RGB;E) 1300$i9 12900kGigabyte rx 5700 8gbGigabyte z690 udKingston fury 64GB ddr4 3600mhz cl 18SSD m.2 Kingston 500gb gen 4Aerocool Lux, 80 PLUS Bronze, 750WI9 12900k 64 gb ram rx 5700F) 1410$I7 11700krtx 3090 asus tuf gaming32 gb ram corsair vengeance1tb ssd nvmemsi z490 a procase deepcool gamer storm8 fans rgb240mm liquid coolingRate them overall, are they decent or utter dogshit?
>>93668292>you don't have access to DLSSWhat's that aggressive amount of copium? If you repeat it more times all of my Nvidia GPUs disappear or what?>drop in DLL upgradeIt won't help since the issue persists across games and versions.Like in this situation you can see that dlss is still unstable like it was in previous versions, although in this game TAA Introduced ghosting, but that's the implementation itself that's wrong.>Even little Timmy says DLSS is better in RDR2He's comparing it to the previous versions, do you even read your own text? Next he's saying that it could be equivalent or better, but again I proved that's it's not the case.>I don't think about you at all, That's just a lie, you have to think about me in order to answer. That's how angry you are.
>>93668477Found out what was going on. My DRAM frequency in BIOS can't seem to be set to the proper number listed on my RAM sticks (3000) So it's undershooting
>>93667983this has being known since amd talked about amd dnn
>>93668477>better image quality>than TAAWrong, it literally misses details, you aren't even watching your own videos, that's how stressed you are, kek.>better performanceTrue, because it reduces image quality. You could also lower setting and get about the same result.I guess I should give you some time since you are starting to fail so miserably, heh.
>>93668569So it takes nvidia to put 1 more SM on the 4090 per month, interesting...
>>93668738>If I buy it I become a gaymerDo not buy it
>>93667986>4060ti replaces 3060tilmao nvidiots are trully a blessing they defend this shit like retards
Hello Frens. The dragons dogma 2 announce finally made me want to upgrade my computer. Here are my current specs:Intel Core i5-9600k CPUNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB16 gb ramI was thinking of just getting a 3060 Ti. Am I going to need to upgrade anything else to make use of it? I dont really care to much about getting the highest 4000p 300fps mega graphics or whatever the highest is now, but being able to play some older games at 1440p 144fps would be nice
>>93667886>4k is a moving target with new games that are ever harder to runthis is a great point
>>93668749>>93668797>What's that aggressive amount of copium?It means you're poor and have no personal experience with the technology, and therefore your actual copium that DLSS is bad is just a laughing stock for the thread and an opportunity for me to teach people how good DLSS is>He's comparing it to the previous versionsWrong, he's comparing it to full res TAA. You really are retarded>That's just a lieYeah, when you cherrypick half my statement. Typical for AMDronesCreating a delusional narrative because you're losing so bad just means your meds are wearing off. Are you sure you can afford them this month after you bought that expensive $200 Radeon card?>>93668865Funnier still that the 4060 Ti is less shit than the 7600 but Radeonfriends like you can only deflect to the 4060 Ti to try to save face>>93668871Wait on the actual release of DD2 unless you just want to upgrade your PC for other games now. You wouldn't get a 3060 Ti at this point. 4060 Ti has replaced it.
>Massreply fag cherrypick results>Gets mad when he gets counter cherry picked>Arguments in /pcbg/ is throwing cherrypicked data at each otherAs a waitfag, this amuses me.
>>93668940He gets particularly antsy when you recommend a 6950xt over a 4070 since he bought a 4070 himself
buying used is rarely worth it despite what ebay shills say
waitfags, soon we can stop waiting
Whats a good brand for graphics cards? It seems like ASUS is the most abundant>>93668865uninformed cuck here, what makes the 4060 so bad?
>>93668915Man, you can't even greentext anymore, is everything ok?>Gets assblastedUhhh, you need help? Are you sure you are winning?>Wrong, he's comparing it to full res TAA>Tells about native only in the next sentenceNope, it was about 2 dlss versions.>PicThe guy himself tells that native produces better image and yeah, some people like you prefer worse image for FPS since very often low-tier cards like 4070 can't handle stable FPS without it. The screen just proves my point once again.Again, due to hard stress you don't even read/watch your own material. It feels like it's personal to you, I guess that 4070 wasn't easy to get for you, which is once again sad. You could ask me how if performs before wasting money.>Gets assblasted once againLmao, it's sad and funny at the same time.
>>93668971I think buying gpus off ebay is okay because of their buyer protection but there's absolutely no way you should buy an obviously mined on used 3090 for $700 when there's new 7900XTs for $759 or a new 4070ti for $799
>>93669031It's 0% gen on gen improvement makes it bad for upgrooders.If your new builder or upgrader from pascal or before there's nothing wrong with it
>>93669031each generation of -60 from both amd and nvidia use to replace the previous -60 gen and also give perfomance identical to the older -70 gen and in some cases surpass it now each -60 only replaces the previous -60 at the same price on the same specs you basicly get the same card
Is everything actually okay? That's like -2/3x FPS but RT still shits itself. What's Nvidia's next move to fix this?
>>93669120yes, that is worth $2000the more you buy the more you save
ok Im usre this is a retarded quest but im a retard. Are triple fan gpus worth it over dual fan ones? I want to upgrade but my case wont fit a triple
>>93669120increase ray bounce by 2x and half the 4090's fps to sell the 5090 duh
>>93669152Triple fans for better thermals. If you don't have the room, then either change your case or change the GPU—be that by getting the two fan or something else.
>>93669040You probably need an emergency dose of xanax>it was about 2 dlss versions.No, ESL, little Timmy is talking about DLSS vs native>>93668292. Dropping in the new DLSS DLL give DLSS the win over full res in image quality, to say nothing of performance. You're delusional and rather low IQ. Makes sense that you can only afford Radeon.I'll leave you with the last nugget of wisdom: DLSS is always better than turning settings down. It's better than full res about half the time, but even when it's not, it's always better if you have to choose between settings and DLSS.>>93669152Depends on the card. A low power card like the 4070 only needs a two fan. Not really about the fans anyway, more about the heatsink as a whole. Often weight, length, or passthrough airflow design are better indicators of cooler quality
>>93669031>uninformed cuck here, what makes the 4060 so bad?The 4060 is a negligible improvement (arguably even a downgrade) over the 3060. It's absolute insanity to buy the 4060. Almost anything is better. Hell, Intel's ARC A750 is about the same, if not slightly over performing for around a $200 price point. The only trade off would be having to tinker with things here and there as their drivers aren't as mature.
>>93669218>downgrade>when it's way more power efficient>more performant on average>has framegen>and av1 encodeYou fags really are stupid
>>93669245Perf/W doesn't matter when you're pulling <200W and are stuck at 40 fps because the gpu is igpu tier. Its a first world problem for high tier gpus like fan noise is.
>>93669276It's at least 4x as powerful as hd 770 and 85% above rtx 3050.Why do we have so many retards here that always talk in skewed extremes and make claims that are so wild and wrong that you're tempted to go as high as possible in the conversion and hide it all recursively to have a better thread experience.
>>93669290Anon, have some self awareness. Your replies are the stupidest in this chain of comments
>>93669245wow the RX7600 is only 2% below a 2080? and only $269? what a bargain!
Is there a program to control the lighting of my gpu? I got a gigabyte 4090 and I want to turn the lights off, but the gigabyte software apparently doesn't work well on w11 and constantly crashes.
>>93669276>the gpu is igpu tierShow me the iGPU with 4060 Ti graphics, little guy. Oh that's right, the 4060 Ti is way better even than the giant APUs in consoles. The 4060 Ti is substantially and noticeably more power efficient than a 3060 Ti or 3070. A 50-75W power improvement is noticeable.>>93669290This is /amdg/. They live in their delusions. The real world is too painful
Does it matter what manufacturer i buy for gpus? Any i should look at or avoid?
>>93669338Not massively. The model is more important than the brand. The only universal with brands is to avoid Chinese domestic market firms but you have to go out of your way to find those in the first place.
>>>93194582Do not reward criminal behaviour for example, MSI had backroom deals with miners.
>>93669196>half of the text is filled with butthurt Bruh>in image qualityIn the next sentence he says that it's "equivalent or better", then he says native delivers "better". It's funny that you can't even process your own material and keep failing over and over again.>DLSS is always better than turning settings downIt's equivalent pretty much, both ruin your image quality.>It's better than full resPretty much never.
>>93669338The ones with good RMA in your area
Oh wow, 40xx means 4 meters draw distance for this new fancy 'path tracing'?
>>93669327>way better even than the giant APUs in consolesThis is stretching it a bit. The coonsoles are 6700 afaik. I do consneed that it's more power efficient than coonsoles because of N5.
Finally got my new setup mostly in place. Too sleepy to continue, but can't wait to spend the weekend tidying up the desk and cables.
Nvidia's generational gain is pretty good. Just for some reason they mislabeled and mispriced cards, but increase from 3060Ti to 40"70"Ti is pretty good.
>>93668510Miners made the 3090s better by adding thermal pads to the backside VRAM so they run cool (and get more hashrate, there is literally a 3090 thermal pad tutorial on nicehash). This plus better ventilation makes mined cards better than gamed cards.
>>93669390>then he says native delivers "better"Wrong. You're illiterate. https://youtu.be/O5B_dqi_Syc?t=1277Here, you can listen instead of read. I'm such a nice guy, helping the illiterate.Perhaps (and this is just a guess) an improvement in your literacy would provide better employment opportunities, and then you wouldn't be so poor.The rest of your post is delusional garbage, so I'll take my leave. Enjoy turning down those settings on your last gen Radeon card. Continue to nitpick >>93669438 in an attempt to pretend DLSS and RT aren't goodPath tracing: https://youtu.be/a0UQTYmQUuA
>>93669438everyone knows that nvidia just wanted to bring "path tracing" out because amd is gonna use xillinx matrix cores on their gpus from now on..vivado is literally the top of the top so far
>>93669490Next year is our yearhttps://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-execs-detail-AI-powered-technologies-that-could-be-implemented-in-the-upcoming-RDNA-4-gaming-GPUs.696391.0.html
>>93669466Depends, it's always a crapshoot. You can get a card from people who knew what they were doing and took care of the cards to keep them running at peak hashrates, or it could have been absolute retards who chucked the cards in a random corner and called it a day. Same thing with used gaming cards for that matter. You can only tell after you get and test them. In any case, it seems I got lucky on that front.
>>93669547At least you admit your fanboyism
>>93669468Buy you already provided the thing that proved my point >>93668915 . It's kinda tiresome to just watch how you are slowly proving my point time and time again.>you wouldn't be so poor.>4070That's not even funny, it's like trying to flex with iPhone 8 today.>so I'll take my leaveBecause you understand that you can't handle the conversation due to total loss, you could do that earlier though.
I don't see any ai accelrators amd sisters... did mommy su lie to us?
>dlss looks better than nativethis claim makes me laugh every single time
so my friends are Nvidia cucks which means im one too because they taught all the computer stuff I know. What AMD cards are comparable to the 3000 series? Any actually worth it? Why is amd seen as inferior?
>>93669547This just means they'll slap an AI tasks accelerator on their chiplet GPUs.Phones already had those for years.
>>93669694The biggest AMD shill on youtube made a video apologizing that he bought a second hand Nvidia and that he's sad that no one buys AMD but they're so superior.
>>93669673on the far right compute unit above 2nd gen RT accelerator
How the fuck do i get my psu light to turn off when my computer is off? Its facing my face while I sleep.
>>936664576700xt actually is capable of 4k 60fps. a simple benchmarks prove you wrong. stop huffing nvidia cope farts. i know its impossible for fanboy retards like you but even try.
bros im brain dead whats a decent card if i want to run shit at 1440p 120 fps
>>936699476800 XT or 4070.
>>93669947Depends on the game. Multiplayer, 4070. Single player, maybe a 4070 Ti or 4080
>>936699674070 can barely run 100-120 fps at 1080p.
>>93667544Used M1 Pro Macbook 14"The M1 is really a fucking beast at your workloads. I don't even touch my 3090 rig anymore for professional stuff, and there's no way 1.4k is going to part up something better from scratch.
>>93669987Gay, homosexuality, dick in the ass.
>>93668871>I was thinking of just getting a 3060 Ti. 6700/xt/50xt are better choices>4060 Ti has replaced it.Hahahahaha
>>93669981Just shut the fuck up.
>>93670035https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rtx+4070+1080p+after%3A2023-04-01oh no no, reality is hurting you feefees
>>93669152Depends on overall coler design.A well built duel card will out perform some shitty chink 3 fan
>>93668871>The dragons dogma 2 announce finally made me want to upgrade my computerWait until after release retard. Are you born yesterday?
>>93669327>4060 Ti is way better even than the giant APUs in consoles. No it isnt retardIts marginally better.The xbox one x apu is similar to 6700xt. Which is around a 3060ti...which is pretty much 4060ti
>>93670068why are you so angry?
>>93670097he got burnt by dragon dogma 1. devs promised amazing graphics at the beginning but the end product was massively downgraded
>>93668744F is the best gaming rigA, B or D for a cheap professional machine without GPUC is a good low-mid res gaming machine, but it's too expensive IMOThe only option that has any upgrade path is B
>>93670097I am a neet subhuman without tendies.
>>93670041looks ok to me
>>93668871Listen to >>93670068WAIT until it releases, or we're closer to the release at least. The companies are in panic mode right now with GPUs, and DDR5 platforms are still all messed up.
>>936696943060>6600/50/xt3060ti>6700/xt3070>6750xt3070ti>68003080>6800xt3090>6950xtAll are worth because they are cheap as shit on used market. Nvidia equivalents are still way to expensive used or new...
>>93670136Not being able to pull 120 stable on ultra on games released within the past 12 months and even some 3 years old exceptions like cyberpunk and rdr2 is not that good.Sure in totality, if you account for ancient games and not demanding titles and even Esport shit that runs at 200 fps on igpus yea wow it's wow.. such high fps, much score
>>93670014It's totally straight and cool to spend extra for worse performance, crashes, workflow, and do it all on a crappy monitor. Free yourself my nigger.
>>93670165Made up issues that no one has.Windows 98 era is long gone.Meanwhile you're on ecosystem lock and h homosexual.Freedom to be retarded is no freedom at all.
>>93670068Wise. I built a whole new rig for Vtmb2, 2 years ago...
>>93670180You obviously don't do any of this stuff, even as an amateur
> nvidia caught cheating for many years> manipulates resolution rendering for higher fps benchmark and marketing> now become features for shillsgive me free 4090 now jensen
>>93670275Sar you can redeem the 4090 for $1600
getting eyes checked and prescription glasses is the biggest upgrade any gamer can have in terms of picture quality.
>>93670533so true. im on 1080p and when i got glasses a few years ago i was shocked at the difference.
>>93668744Press F to pay respects.
what's even the point anymore.games aren't as fun as they use to be.I'm only upgrading cuz;VR- dead and gaystreaming - gay and retardedai - retarded and retardedultra settings graphics - retarded and gaywhat i'm gonna magically start creating content, or start coding again?why am i upgrading again?I dont even have homies to play with anymore, they all bought houses, got married, have kids, or became a gymrat playing exclusive console pleb.i don't enjoy anything anymore, all i do is work my 9-5 and then walk my dog and watch anime or 1-2 streamers. I have a car i only use for groceries and some dumb e-btich sending me nudes to get my rocks off.my life is so empty, that for the past 6 years ive been waiting™.my 480, 4770k is a mf beast, somehow running my 1440p monitor with all the shitty old games i still play. why the fuck am i even upgrading, what am i waiting for, everyday there's news how fucked up everything is, fire starting cables, exploding psu, techtuber shills, everything is bad value, nothing's getting better, buy used, dont be a poor fag, etc etc. idk why i use this stupid imageboard, cuz everywhere else sucks or just as bad.
>>93665400If I upgrade my CPU, am I going to need a stronger power supply as well?From a Ryzen 3 to a Ryzen 5 in specific.
>>93670790Anymore dumb questions? Specify exactly your CPU, Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 can be anything from gen 1 to gen 7.How weak is your PSU? GPUs are the ones that take up the most watts.
>>93666457>specklingYes, there's a very heavy grainy layer that looks pretty bad. Almost looks as if someone rubbed grease all over the screen.
New toms kino chartNow with 4060 ti
>>93670744A geepeeyou cannot help you brother
>>93670941>Losing to 3070>Just about losing to 6750God
>>93670744it do be like that
>>936709414060 ti is a real beast
>>93671240No it's not, 4060TI should be hitting 4070TI performance, they cut down all the cards.Everyone is getting scammed.
>>936709416800xt is that much faster than the 3080 huh? Seems like amd finewine drivers aren't a meme
>>93670744it seems like you followed a default path without thinking and finally picked your head up. other people did the same. value and need is relative and it can help if you know where your values are and what you actually need and not judge yourself solely by other people's standards. gpu shills behave much like console war kiddies. they got what they could and try to base their self worth around it, or spent extra and get pleasure out of show boating.if you are happy with what you have, the experiences it provides you, then there is no need to upgrade. upgrading for the sake of upgrading wont put a smile on your face, none of us will even know or care, and nor should our opinions or anyone elses matter. only yours.
>>936712786800xt is the best card you can buy until 4070 drops down to 500 (never happening) or when next generational leap happens
>>93665494Your call. 1080p is kind of a waste, though. Either go 1440p high refresh or 4k 144hz+. Go 1440p 240hz if you end up going to the 4070 13600k.Also consider if returning all that shit and rebuilding is worth ~$1200 of your time
>>936712786800xt is a weird case. If it’s 50~ dollars difference in your currency then 4070 would be better.But in my country, 6800xt is 200$ cheaper than 4070 which makes it a braindead pick, there’s a reason why 6800xt here is going sold out while 4070 is almost untouched. Maybe it’ll sell once 6800xt is out of stock.
>>93671384>>93665494Also live life a little. Your boomer dad probably bought all sorts of retarded shit he didnt need. Sound systems, new cars, putting a bathroom in his garage, power tools used twice. You'll definitely use the computer, even if you dont go hard into machine learning stuff. As long as you didnt bankrupt yourself or some shit just work harder and get more money if you really need it.
>>936714264070 is worth the extra $200 for DLSS, Raytracing and AI research.
My 1070ti just died.What can I get to tide me over until the next generation of cards?I don't want anything too expensive since it's a holdover card. But my best bet seems to be the 6700xt and that thing is still 370€ where I am, and that's a little steep.I worry about 8gb cards now with all the fud, otherwise, I'd just pick up a 6650xt for 250€.I could venture into the used market, but I hate it here. It's nothing but sketchy shit.
>>936716354060ti is the best value budget currently on the market.
>>936717267600 is technically but its amd
>>93671726I'm over here complaining about a 6700xt for 370€ and you want me to consider a card that performs worse, has less vram and costs 450€?
>12 GB>AI research
>>93671726Strange days when we can call the best budget card an entire ripoff.
>>936716354060ti is the perfect card for you
>>93671635you should wait for 4060 Ti 16gb to come out so you can buy it on day 1
>>936716354060ti is an amazing card.
>>936716357600>6700>4070ti>4070>>>>>used 3080 12gb>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gtx 480 (can also cook ur eggs while playin gayms>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4060ti 16gb>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4060ti
>>93671828stop trolling anon4060ti is the ideal card for him
>>93670941its fucking nuts how good the 1080ti was
How much is Nvidia paying to shill? I’d happily shill Nvidia for 20 cent a post
>>936718514060ti is gimped dogshit that should be bought by no one. You are a million times better off getting a used 3080 and trying your hand at the used lottery than even thinking about a card so bad that it almost makes the arc cards look decent.
>>93670877>Specify exactly your CPURyzen 3 1200 Quad Core. I've been thinking about a Ryzen 5 3600 at least.>How weak is your PSU?Got an approx app500LITEB01,500 W max power>GPUs are the ones that take up the most watts.Got an NVidia GeForce GTX 1650 I am kinda satisfied with it though, maybe one day in the future I would witch it to an 8 Gig, but frankly cannot see myself doing it.>Anymore dumb questions?Is coffee good for you? Thanks anon.
>>93671796>4060 Ti 16gbBut at that price point wouldn't a 4070 be a better deal. Especially since they occasionally have those 100 dollar game vouchers.
>>93671923a fucking 2080ti found from a dumpster is better than the 4060ti, its insane
You just haven’t realised the absolute value that is 4060ti with DLSS.I pity you fools.
>>93671923>wouldn't a 4070 be a better dealIt would. NVidia wouldn't cannibalize 4070 by releasing a slightly cheaper and marginally slower card with +4 GB VRAM. They're greedy but not actually retarded.
>>93671978any sku above the 4060ti is better value and has dlsslol
>>93671944>2080ti found from a dumpsterCan you share your dumpster location. I'm jealous.
>>93671854I'm still using mine with an OC. Almost as good as the 3060 Ti.
>>93670877>>93671899Neverfuckingmind, i can just not be a caveman and look up the power consumption difference between the two models (allegedly, there is none)Thanks anon.
What's the MSRP price of these suppose to be?A) 900$i9-12900FMSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4Ram 32GB G.Skill Aegis 2x16 Dual Chanel, 3200MHz CL16 1.35vSSD M.2 Samsung 970 evo plus 250gbSSD M.2 ADATA LEGEND 1tb, PCIe Gen 3x4Cooler ARCTIC AC Freezer i35 A-RGB, 158 mmSeasonic B12 BC-850 850W 80+ Bronze, OPP, OVP, OCP, SCPFSP CMT211A RGB TG Mid-Tower, Black.B) 970$PC Ryzen 9 7900X Am5 + Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB AIO RGBKingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16 ) DDR5 5200MHz SPECIAL AMD EXPOGIGABYTE B650M DS3HCorsair RM750 750W 80 plus GoldCorsair 4000D Airflow AlbC) 800$i5-12400nVidia GeForce MSI RTX 3070 Ventus Gaming 2XCorsair Vengeance Pro RGB 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 mHzASUS H610M-K250GB NVME M.2 + 1TB Hard DiskCase: Aquirys Wezen BlackPower supply: Corsair VS650WD) 780$Ryzen 9-5900Asus Prime B550M-KRam 32Gb Corsair-Ssd M2 Samsung NVME 512GB;-Video GTX 1060,3 GB- nJoy 500W;Case Rampage 3 vent. RGB;E) 1300$i9 12900kGigabyte rx 5700 8gbGigabyte z690 udKingston fury 64GB ddr4 3600mhz cl 18SSD m.2 Kingston 500gb gen 4Aerocool Lux, 80 PLUS Bronze, 750WI9 12900k 64 gb ram rx 5700F) 1410$I7 11700krtx 3090 asus tuf gaming32 gb ram corsair vengeance1tb ssd nvmemsi z490 a procase deepcool gamer storm8 fans rgb240mm liquid cooling
>>93671988Wrong. >>93671944>>93671881>>93671851>>93671828>>93671774Your king amdrone gave away the game. It's either 4060ti or amd. Which way cis man
asus or gigabyte for an amd card?
>>93671978>value that is 4060tia more expensive 3060ti?
am i crazy or does fps per dollar literally not matter at alli am trying to target a specific frame ratenot be a jew about the value of each frame lol
>>93672232Then just ignore everything below your target framerate you muppet
>>93672249I already have a card. I just don't understand why you'd ever use that as some sort of metric when buying a new one.
>>93672260What else would you use?
>>93671851>Anon doesn't want to spend 370€ for the 6700xt>buy the 470€ 4060ti!are you retarded?
>>93672260Most people don't have a "target framerate," it doesn't even make sense. Saying "I want a card that can do 4K/60" is meaningless: what game, what settings, what longevity.What people do have is a somewhat flexible "target budget". What is the best card they can buy for, let's say, ~$300? That's where price/performance comes into play.
>>93672500>"I want a card that can do 4K/60" in these specific games"does make sense though and it's literally how i've always gpu shopped
>>93672172Only one card out of the top 7 can run at a stable 60fps. How is that a good deal? Maybe I should just run an IGPU for an extra 30 dollars. It would top that chart at 1 dollar per frame.
>>93672172why isn't the rx 6700 not-xt included? I don't think they've ever acknowledged it
>>93671626you can use 4070 to research how 6800xt is a superior choice and then swap to thatif you really care about ultimate graphics settings like ray tracing you would be getting 4090
>>93673812This is a troll, google steam charts and check for AMD.