>>93662977
The powers that be have chosen wayland. It will replace X and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

>>93663644
There is something, someone can do, maintain X.
Nobody is interested in doing that though.

Xorg now gets barely any git commits at all. It's dead.
If I were in the "Wayland sux!" camp, I'd be seriously looking at forking Xorg right now but nobody is willing to step up to do that.

>>93663724
X does not exist in a vacuum. The entire ecosystem will move to Wayland. No point improving X if no software is written for it anymore.

>>93663788
Yes, that's why the Wayland hate brigade needs to step up and do some actual work.
They'll see X11 disappear forever otherwise.
If they actually do some real work (which none of the former developers that are now Wayland developers want to do for obvious reasons) then maybe they can save it.

There's too much wrong with it in my opinion though, and there's nobody that knows the code well enough and wants to improve it.

>>93663818
I think that right now we are in a point of no return. Xorg enthusiasts had 15 years to improve Xorg and now that Wayland caught up they just cry more.

>>93663953
I agree but they seem pretty adamant that Wayland is shit.
If they actually maintained Xorg or forked it they could present a case that "X is back!" and talk about all of the exciting features and functionality they're adding to it.

They won't though.

Every failure of X11 traces back to a deliberate design decision. You can't fix it without making something fundamentally new and we're already going through that change now with Wayland. Nobody is going to want to do it again even if your technology is technically superior.

>>93663953
wayland still feels weird to me, an idiot ubuntu user that treats it like windows with a package manager. Xorg for whatever reason things work more as I'd expect them to. like copy and paste and other things, although it's good to see OP's pic because wine is my main issue with it

>>93664014
Copy & Paste works fine.
The issue of it being weird is actually because of older applications still using XWayland (compatibility layer for X11 apps).

When everything uses Wayland, the clipboard works well and as you'd expect.

When some things use XWayland then sometimes you end up with clipboard items in the XWayland clipboard that aren't present in the Wayland clipboard. This is weird, but perfectly normal.

>>93662977
>have no software
>build a compatibility layer to run the competitors software
>taking off
lmao loonixfags are delusional

>>93664014
The only problem with "copy-paste" on Wayland I have is with middle-click. It sometimes works or not work within Xwayland apps.

But actual clipboard always work fine.

>>93664062
There are now more Wayland applications running on a typical Linux desktop than legacy applications running via XWayland.

All GTK apps support Wayland
All Qt apps support Wayland
Electron apps that actually get updated and aren't literal walking security threats have support for Wayland

What's left is literally Steam and Java apps, and the crappy toys like Xeyes that were built to demonstrate X11 features.

>>93664090
I'm talking about Wine you dumbfuck

>>93664043
linux clipboard is a disaster under X
>copy something out of app
>close app
>go to paste it
>nothing there (??????)
did they finally fix that on gayland?

>>93664144
>did they finally fix that on gayland?
Yes.
They didn't make the stupid design decision that the clipboard belongs to the application and disappears afterwards.

>>93662977
>I thought that Wayland was a meme and Xorg would just remain because Wayland wouldn't take off!
never listen to /g/

>>93664137
Then replace Wayland with native Linux apps and it still stands.
We do actually have a lot of software.
We're missing alternatives for some software (a good Photoshop alternative comes to mind) but for the most part most of the software you'd use on Windows, likely has a Linux alternative.

Most people are only using Wine to run games or productivity software. There's a few professionals that use it for audio software (e.g to run Windows VSTs and effects) but for the most part you don't need Wine.

Pain points of Linux for me are basically:

-Autocad
-Photoshop/Aftereffects

For Autocad I have another laptop from my old company when I need to see something really important, and I'm using Photoshop with Wine.

>>93664144
This can be fixed in userspace under x, whereas in wayland its completely up to the server to do, or not do.

>>93664245
>whereas in wayland its completely up to the server to do, or not do.
As is the correct thing to do. It should have been up to X to do in the server too.

>>93664202
what's the state of wine for gaming? I still have windows installed for gaming only. worth risking playing cracked games under wine? can that fuck with my linux system?

xorg is old. xorg is still alive because gay nvidia wont make their drivers any better

>>93664269
Couldn't be better thanks to Proton.
Some stuff still doesn't work because of DRM/anti-cheat but most stuff works.

Check out ProtonDB:
https://www.protondb.com/

>>93664269
>worth risking playing cracked games under wine?

I found funny that Empress fixed her crack one time to make it work better on Wine/Linux.

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>>93664154
wow
1 problem fixed, 5 others introduced

>>93662977
Wayland has been default on the 2+ biggest Linux distros for a year or more now

fuck guys i've been using dwm because i thought it would never go obsolete what do i do now. sway is bloat.

>We do actually have a lot of software
Hahaha so why brag about wine? oh now it's cope how you dont need it anymore
have fun taking off with 0.8% marketshare

>>93664399
dwl

https://github.com/djpohly/dwl

>>93664281
I can't afford to waste any frames, how's the performance compared to running on windoze

>>93664351
Give it (more) time. Unlike X11, they're actually slowly but surely fixing the issues.

>>93664445
Depends on the titles. Sometimes the performance is better on Linux, other times it's worse.
You can't really make a general statement. Benchmark and find out for yourself.

>>93663818
>needs to step up and do some actual work
Do what exactly? It already works fine for me. People aren't going to randomly drop X11 code anytime soon. We're at least a full decade from that happening if not more.

>>93664621
>It already works fine for me
For you

>>93664640
Right now, X11 still supports more usecase than wayland. At some point this may reverse, but it's been 15 years.

>>93664260
It was/is though. Every issue people complain about with X could have been fixed by the server. But nobody dared touch it, because they were scared of breaking anything, paradoxically

what are the alternatives? is there a third option? makes sense to properly develop wayland at this point.

>>93664689
Arcan.
It makes more sense to properly develop Wayland though. People don't want to go through yet another display server change.
(in Arcan's case they just added Wayland compatibility to it)

>>93664658
Those usecases are getting fewer and fewer every day.

Right now it's down to:
>You want your whole desktop to tear all of the time instead of just for fullscreen applications
>You need limited/subpar colour management support for professional applications
>(the support X11 has is better than Wayland but not good enough, we can and should do better)

>>93664729
Password managers that autofill field don't work. Embedding foreign windows also still doesn't work. There's more. Yes, there's less gaps than a couple of years ago, but it's there's still a long way to go.

>>93664768
>Password managers that autofill field don't work
That can be done with the text input method protocols.
You could have something like the way 1Password works on macOS (going from memory, it's been a while where I last used it), where you type a global hotkey like Ctrl+/ and it opens up a little widget, you select the account and then it autofills the password.

Global hotkey support is iffy right now but that's being addressed.

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>>93662977
>Valvedevs submit bugs to Wayland shitters
>Wayland shitters have a shit fit over it not fitting their way of thinking
>Valvedevs win in the end and are just merging in their own code from Wine now to make Wayland actually work properly

>>93665432
It's funny, because originally the Wine developers were insistent that Wayland support could not be done.
As in, it was flat out impossible for the model of Wayland to fit Wine's usecases.

>>93663724
>maintain X.
maintain what, its feature complete

>>93664043
Everything will never use gayland until they improve their nvidia support.

>>93664815
>support is iffy right now but that's being addressed.
story of waylands life, ready never ever

>>93664658
Nukeland forever

>>93662977
>hopefully by next year's
Maybe in another 10 years Wayland will actually be usable! Collabora found the perfect revenue shark.

>>93663724
>now gets barely any git commits at all. It's dead.
Spoken like someone who hasn't written a single line of production code in their life.

>>93664445
>I can't afford to waste any frames
then dont add a translation layer

>>93664090
>All GTK apps support Wayland
Darktable does not support Wayland.

>All Qt apps support Wayland
Krita and KiCad do not support Wayland.

>What's left is literally Steam and Java apps, and the crappy toys like Xeyes that were built to demonstrate X11 features.
Cadence Virtuoso, Maple, Mathematica, Matlab, and a lot of other commercial software that supports X11 do not support Wayland.
Other software like Blender is of alpha quality.
Then there's software like Sublime or anything based on Chromium that requires special flags or environment variables because of all the bugs and blockers they still have on Wayland.
And other software like emacs that "works" by falling back to slow software rendering instead of using xrender.

>>93667551
its funny, wayland will be 30 years old before it becomes usable, we can start on its replacement right away

>>93664275
That's a funny way of spelling worse.

>>93662977
X is dead anon. It's been dead for a decade. People have been using a rotten corpse. It's time to move on. Stop being a retarded conservative clinging on to outdated trash. X is dead and we are better off from it. The old ways are OLD for a reason. No longer relevant. Toss them into the trash where they belong and progress to the future. Wayland is that future.
Nice thing about open source is that we don't have to worry about being chained down by a bunch of conservative minded retards. There are no chains. We can leave you in the dust and let you die.

Ding-dong! The Witch is dead
Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding-dong! The Wicked Witch is dead
Wake up you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead
She's gone where the goblins go
Below, below, below

>>93667640
you'll reach the age where you realize that using the last release of the old major version is better than the first release of the new major version is better eventually anon

>>93667640
>poorly formatted rambling post interjecting politics where none was present
you need to go back

>>93667693
You can make thread after thread complaining about Wayland but it won't change the fact x11 is dead. You are clinging into an outdated pile of shit. Luckily we are not shackles to you conservative minded people and can leave you in the dust were you belong. Wayland is the future, with or without you. Sooner or later things will stop working and you'll be faced with two options. Embrace progress by moving to Wayland or left to wander in your own suffering. The choice is yours anon. The rest of us will be enjoying Wayland like the same, rational people we are.

>>93668500
>doesn't work on half the graphics cards
>clinging
How about fucking make it work, retard?

>>93668540
>Capitalist company refuses to adopt communal open source standards
>>Noooo it's Wayland's fault for not bending over to enrich a capitalist company
Why are liberals this retarded?

>>93667640
>>93668500
least schizophrenic wayland supporter

>>93668578
Sounds like you should've been working on nouveau and/or corporate espionage instead of gayland, retard.

>>93662977
> What is happening, bros?
The whole FOSS community couldn't care less about Wayland.
Additionally Wine devs think porting Wine to Wayland is completely retarded because all you will do is reinvent X11.
Collabora consultant paid by anonymous source: "I'll do it anyways".

It's clearly not a community effort, so who is funding this shit?

>>93668593
We do work with nouveau but nouveau can't progress any further from Nvidia encrypting their firmware. If you care about freedom, which clearly you don't since you don't support communal work, you would ditch Nvidia for more open alternatives. We will not be shackles to the whims of a single capitalist company. Just like we won't be shackles to the whim of backwards minded conservtards like yourself clinging onto a dead corpse called x11.

I understand you hate change and progress but luckily open source allows us to leave you filthy behind. We are not stuck to your outdated practices.

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>>93668628
You could have written a WDM loader and all of the kernel hooks in 1/10th the time you've been working on Weyland, faygola.

>>93663724
> Nobody is interested in doing that though.
There is plenty of interest in maintaining X. There is just no funding.
Wayland on the other hand has plenty of funding but zero community interest.

>>93668640
Perfection takes time. We are not capital focused so we don't have to hurry up and rush buggy things out. We are building a foundation to last into the next century. Not producing something for quick capital regain now. Wayland IS the future and because of that it has to last into the next century and beyond. A stable foundation with protocols designed to allow it to adapt to future technologies. Without the need to duct tape and glue on hacky ways new things like was the biggest problem with X11.

We are striving for greatness. Not short term gain.

>>93667640
>>93668500
IBM finally gave up on outsourcing third worlders and is now resorting to chatbots for the shill campaigns.

>>93662977
to install wine you need more than 500MB
windows xp needs like 600MB
you're better off using qemu with xp than wine

93668671
>Everything I don't like is a chatbot
The never ending cope of wester, liberal retards.

>>93663724
>maintain X.
the people who do that made wayland
/thread

>>93668687
If it quacks like a duck...

>>93663976
> Every failure of X11 traces back to a deliberate design decision.
You spelled Wayland wrong.
All Design decisions are absolutely retarded. It starts with forced composition, two mandatory buffer swaps and ends with idiotic and opinionated ways to force a specific render loop design.
Also programs can't now their position on screen because "muh security". WTF.
Wayland is rotten to the core and can never be fixed.

>>93662977
Wayland is garbage, full of random bugs, random white pixels is xwaland even worse is also full of bugs, xorg just works and isnt completly broken

93668698
>Noooo it's a chatbot because he won't shill for my outdated pile of trash called x11
Cry some more you backwards ape.

>>93662977
using /g/ as your only input for forming an opinion is a very bad idea

>>93663724
I'm fine with maintaining xorg. But it already works perfectly for me and in my use case I'm not missing any features, so there is nothing to do. It's already complete for me.
>but others will abandon X if you don't maintain it for them as well!
I dont care. I write my own software from scratch>>93663788
, I'm not dependent on anybody else.

>>93668722
>I'll just single handley make my own display server and compositior
>>I'm Mr big hot shot man who needs no collective to strive
Yeah, please, by all means try. Try to make something as complex as a display server and compositior all by yourself you independent individual who needs no community.

Let's see how long you last by yourself. Your selfishness will be your undoing.

>>93668670
> Perfection takes time.
You mean deliberately broken policies ensure a relentless stream of consulting gigs.
Who is funding you btw?

>>93668755
I've already done it, did it years ago and I started at the same time. I'm just waiting for Faeland to finish so I can release it and mog them.

>>93668715
Oh you're definitely shilling for X11. You're just too stupid to realize it.

>>93668755
And needless to say if you actually have talent you could be contributing to Wayland to benefit the community at large instead of being selfish only thinking of yourself and your desires. But no, to spite Wayland and the overarching community you are going to cling onto dead x11 and then go your own way instead of joining the community to further progress Wayland.
Then you whine about Wayland not having X or Y. You whine about Wayland but do nothing to join the community in further improving Wayland. You are like Gretta thunberg with:
>We are not here to provide solutions
>We are here to demand solutions
>>For something we have no desire in using
You are a waste of oxygen.

>>93668786
His mom with hotpockets. He started out as a teenager and his mom is trying to push him to get married and move out because he's 30 years old now but he keeps screaming
>NOT NOW MOM I HAVE TO FINISH GAYLAND
and that's where he'll sit, in stasis, until it has to be renamed grayland.

>>93668814
>you could be contributing to Wayland
No you can't. There is severe gate keeping and everything that prevents Collabora and Igalia from getting more consulting gigs will not be merged. This has been shown time and time again.
E.g. try to make a standardized Wayland protocol for clients to find out their position on screen. It won't get merged because it's against "muh philosophy of perfection".

> You are a waste of oxygen.
Again, who is funding you? Why don't you tell us?
If it is Microsoft as means of sabotage I wouldn't be surprised. Wayland is *that* shit.

>>93668814
Epic own!
Include me in the r/Linux screenshot.

>>93668814
>be 0 years old and fresh set of eyes: create playland
>be 15 years old and nursing buttpain: create gayland
>be 30 years old and experiencing morbid obesity: create weighland
>be 45 years old and still not done: create nayland
>be 60 years old and it's all over: create grayland
So when is wayland going to be finish?

>>93663788
Wayland hasn't had anything of value written for it ever. It's RedHat's walled garden consisting of a few ports and clones of already existing X software.

>>93668814
>muh contribute to the COMMUNITY CHUD
>What do you mean you don't want to
Why freetards are like this?

93668856
93668880
93668881
93668919
In the end you already lost. It gives me great satisfaction to know x11 is dead and we killed it's funding. "Enjoy" your x11 usage as much as you can. You won't be "enjoying" it for much longer.

>>93668960
It is an easy way to justify rewriting stuff in rust.

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93668963
>Uses an open source project
>Benefit from communal means of production
>Rejects communal collaboration
Why are liberals this dumb?

>>93668755
I have already done that before, but why would I? I can just work on xorg since it works fine. I have modified xorg before so I know how it works. I have also worked on chromium, gtk, mpv, mesa, so I can make changes fine.

>>93669007
Like I said. Conservative minded person who has to be reactionary to new technologies. To progress. Clinging onto an old, outdated relic of the last without a card in the world for the rest of the 99% of the community who would like to move on to something more modern.

This is what the Wayland vs x11 debate boils down to. Those who want to stay in the stone age because they dislike change for whatever reasons and those who embrace progress.

>>93668991
Yep. Why would I waste my time on something YOU want? I take what I need and leave.
I bet your cuck ass also seeds torents

>>93669062
it's nice that you can be proud of yourself for being a nigger but you should know that behaviour like that isn't going to inspire admiration in most people like you seem to believe

>>93669036
Wayland is not progress it is a deliberate regression. Paid by Microsoft as means of sabotage.

>>93669036
That's your assumption. Wayland core principle is fundamentally broken, which is why you can't make any significant wayland application. If you want to make real wayland software you have to use kde/gnome/wlroots/gamescope/weston/etc specific api. This is by design, unlike x11. I rather use arcan than wayland if I want something "modern".

>>93669036
>appeal to novelty
waytard pseudoskepticism is so predictable these days...

>>93669036
>Wayland is old enough now to get a girl pregnant
>still not finished
Better hurry up - another 15 years of this and you won't be a hipster anymore.

>>93662977
They can push it as much as they want, but does it actually work?

>>93668689
Yes, but they weren't the ones who built X.

>>93663724
Nobody wants to "maintain" X because it works. Software doesn't magically stop working just because it doesn't receive commits.

The fact that Wayland still hasn't reached feature parity with X11 despite the latter not receiving commits just makes Wayland look even worse.

>>93664043
The problem is, a significant amount of applications will never ever move to Wayland as they're too old and not maintained anymore, they will be permanently stuck with X11 despite being very useful.

>>93670127
They'd cope by stating that xgayland is a thing.

>>93664144
>>93664154
>>93664245
This design was done for a good reason. The clipboard is not only for text, it's for anything. If you copy a large image or even a video, then you dont want to unnecessarily use tons of ram when it's not needed so x11 applications stream the clipboard data to applications that request it. Just run a clipboard manager if you want clipboard text specifically to be saved when an application closes. This is why wayland is slow actually. I got a bug report from a wayland user that used a program to save an image in clipboard and then tried to paste it into my program and the image was corrupted. Turns out that it takes a few seconds for the image to be copied to clipboard on wayland, o he was pasting in an incomplete image. On x11 this is instant since it doesn't copy image data to x11 server when you "set" clipboard.

>>93663953
>they just cry more
>>93663976
The xorg maintainers are retiring or dying. It's that old, seriously. The code dies with them.

>>93670046
>>93667389
>hurr durr it works
there are plenty of inefficiencies in the program. It can always be improved. Why is it that windows xp's window manager is faster and smoother than even openbox?
Clearly there are some optimization techniques which have not been used yet

>>93670012
no

https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2021-February/181338.html

>>93670476
>This is why wayland is slow actually. I got a bug report from a wayland user that used a program to save an image in clipboard and then tried to paste it into my program and the image was corrupted. Turns out that it takes a few seconds for the image to be copied to clipboard on wayland
so? this is a problem that's been solved for DECADES on windows. I have been copying and pasting images for years and not once have I encountered any kind of slowdown.
Typical case of linuxtrannies cannot implement basic features so they just throw their hands up, say it's impossible, cite some bogus performance problems and just use a half baked solution like "haha just erase the clipboard when you close an app!"

>>93671077
> linuxtrannies cannot implement basic features
This is a Wayland problem not a Linux problem. Also Wayland is funded by Microsoft.

actually wayland does the on-demand streaming clipboard thing, wtf are you guys on about?

>>93663818
do you know some good books to learn graphics programming? id like to maintain x11

>>93671077
It's not a problem on linux (x11). Just have a clipboard manager running, which you already do if you use a DE.

>>93670624
openbox with no compositor (and applicatikns such as thunar) is faster and smoother than windows xp.

>>93663818
>>93663953
>>93663976
I find it weird how Wayland zealots think haters have to "do rhe work" when X already objectively works better than Wayland for the majority of desktop use cases.

>>93670624
Answer the following question: do you think that X.org doesn't already use DRI3?

>>93668682
WINE is a feature-complete compatibility layer which supports even DOS
Windows XP is a two decades old OS that can't run the newest software

>>93662977
fuck gayland shilled by Shit DeShit and other faggots

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>>93662977
Xorg needs to have been stabbed in a dark alley like last decade
This stupid shit is exactly like the initd and python 2 dorks who screamcried because they could no longer hold down the ctrl key and make their PC overheat.

>>93671577
Equal maybe, but I don't see how it could be smoother or faster, since xp was already instantaneous.

>>93673498
>python 2
python 3 strings suck, not everything is unicode. Force converting everything to unicode is bad.

>>93669036
Progress isnt progressive if its lacking historical context.

What are the benefits to using wayland over x11?

>>93673498
> like the initd and python 2 dorks who screamcried
The python 2 to 3 transition was obviously a total disaster in retrospect. Millions of man hours wasted for questionable benefit. The "screamcriers" were right.
The same can be said for the init debate. Systemd is clearly a Microsoft sponsored psyop to disrupt and destroy the FOSS community. Poettering is now working for Microsoft. This should tell you all.
It's still unclear who is funding the whole Wayland propaganda. Maybe you can tell me. Or are you a paid shill as well?

>>93664498
So they need 15 years more?

>>93669036
>new technology
>still half-baked after 15 years in development
Kill yourself.

>>93673597
It's modern

>>93673801
>Doesn't understand making a stable foundation

>>93673654
>muh ebul corporations
Take your 90's boomer schizo theories on the way out with x11. Microsoft has done more for open source than you and the rest of you whiners ever will for the sum total of your lives.

>>93666838
It is though. Features like virtual desktop emulation and such will never work. In fairness, these are cases that most people probably don't give a fuck about, but wine-wayland will be limited for sure.

>>93677133
Explain how virtual desktop emulation won't work.

>>93677158
It requires absolute window positioning which wayland can't do and probably will never be able to do.

>>93677295
Why do you need window positioning. If you badly need these then petition your DE to add this to their compositor. Wayland doesn't need to be a monolithic mess like X11 was.

>>93677366
why can't you read my original post instead of making arguments for no reason? I'm just telling you that wine-wayland won't be 1-to-1 in features with the x11 driver. If you care or not, that's for you to decide.

>>93677366
Waylandfah with goldfish memory can't even remember the post he replied to

>>93677412
If you don't need a feature then it's redundant. I'm sure you can have virtual desktop support without needing to know window positioning

>>93677076
> muh schizo theories
EEE was a conspiracy theory as well and was then confirmed as true in the Helloween documents.
It is clear as day that Wayland is obvious sabotage. Why else would you need paid shills (confirmed) to push this garbage.

>>93667601
>Krita and KiCad do not support Wayland.
kicad uses wxwidgets, so gtk not qt

>>93679224
Microsoft didn't fund not design Wayland you inbred mongrels. Wayland was MADE by X11 developed when they realized X11 was fundamentally broken.

>>93679695
> Wayland was MADE by X11 developed when they realized X11 was fundamentally broken.
Repeating the same lie doesn't make it true.
Wayland was "invented" by a lowly intern at INtel. The only "X11 developer" pushing Wayland and shitting on X11 is Daniel Stone. The guy who makes money with consulting contracts "fixing" Wayland.
The most significant X11 contributors like Keith Packard and Allan Coopersmith never even touched Wayland.

>>93679866
Indeed. Repeating the lie Microsoft is behind Wayland doesn't make it true you incel mongrel.

>>93662977
oh boy I can't wait 10 more years until wine can run natively* in Wayland

*excluding [INSERT CRITICAL FEATURE HERE] because [AUTISTIC IDEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT WITH REFERENCES TO WAYLAND MERELY BEING A PROTOCOL]

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>>93680156
Who funds Collabora then? Tell me!

Also: https://nixsanctuary.com/microsoft-donated-money-to-gnome-lets-remember-how-they-attacked-open-source-before/

wine and wayland are both worthless
i'm waiting for the phoronix guy to come out as trans

>>93680368
wine lets me play eroge so I appreciate the devs very much

>>93673498
>hates xorg
>pyshit updooter
Like clockwork.

>>93662977
I went back to X to see how it was working and it is shit I'm never ever using X again, I was playing Subnautica and the screen saver fucking activated this doesn't happen on Wayland, played an RPGMaker game (Hentai) and every time I pressed Z the screen went blue until it went dark, again it works on Wayland, I played a Unity game on full screen and X change my screen resolution to 480p again Wayland just work because it isolate every fucking window, I'm never fucking using Xorg and you poor fags can keep your shitty stinkpads because that's the only place where Xorgs works (barely too) bye have a good day!

>>93681452
>I played a Unity game on full screen and X change my screen resolution to 480p
I guess this is supposed to be a shitpost but it's really amusing to me that you cited this as a supposed downside. I've played a few really old games that have super low resolutions (something under 480p) and was quite grateful for this behavior. Trying to upscale that to my 4k monitor would have been very stupid and would have looked horrible. The only thing I had to do was set the pixelmonitor option or whatever it was call to preserve the aspect ratio while it was full screen and it just worked. I guess on a wayland compositor, these things would have been needed be run manually or so. Not sure what would happen.

>>93681583
Wayland doesn't upscale anything if you play old games at lower resolution, it just play the game at one resolution and your OS keep the other resolution and if you want to upscale the game you can use gamescope which is wayland only too Xorg doesn't support having full screen apps at a different resolution than the OS so it just lower your desktop resolution to the games and that's a fucking stupid hack

>>93682067
You're literally just making things up in this post. Shouldn't you be ashamed of yourself? Fullscreening an application that is at a lower resolution than the display is always an upscale. This has nothing to do with wayland or not. Your compositor cannot magically make this process not happen. Changing the resolution of the monitor (i.e. a modeset) is the only way around this if you do not wish to upscale and want the application to be displayed at fullscreen.

>>93681452
>stinkpads because that's the only place where Xorgs works (barely too)
Wayland consumes a bit less resources on old hardware too.

>>93682250
>no acceleration on older cards without drm
>no glyph caching
>larger binary than kdrive
>twice the runtime memory footprint from double buffering
>dbus and xdg-bloat-portal-* to get a working desktop
nah

>>93671077
every just werks distro has a clipboard manager built into the DE. have you tried linux, anon?

>>93679695
>Wayland was MADE by X11
No it wasn't
https://linux.die.net/man/7/consortium

>>93663724
X is still being maintained, and most of its performance issues that were considered unfixable have been fixed in the last few years.

>>93684812
>fixed in the last few years
More like 10 years ago really.

>>93680385
I had to use wine to play an old eroge. Couldn't do it on Windows 10.

Using Linux since then.

>>93662977
stop being a gnome-fag

is Minecraft open source?

>>93676947
>foundation so stable no one uses it, has no formal spec, every dev doing advanced graphics stuff like mpv devs or steamos hate it

>>93662977
wayland hasn't taken off, and isn't, and never will. apt install -y xorg ; startx

>>93662977
still using xorg

>>93662977
literally 1 guy works on wine wayland

Wayland is the worst thing to happen to linux in the last decade. Everything used to just work, but now everything is even more fragmented than ever because wayland toddlers HAVE to use shiny new thing instead of just works trustable old thing.

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>>93663724