Yume Ultra confirmed pos !!! Avoid!!

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Asking again because I got a bunch of you retards just giving me sarcastic "it's all the same chinese budget crap":

Looking for purchase advice under $50. I've narrowed down my options to:

- Thruthear Hola
- Linsoul 7Hz Salnotes Zero
- Tangzu Wan'er

I know there are other great budget options (specially from Tin Hi-Fi, Tanchjim, Blon, Kiwi Ears and the KZ/QKZ/CCA conglomerate) but those brands aren't available in my region at my budget.

I don't really care about tuning (I use system-wide tuning on my PC, phone and PMP), so I'm really buying based on:

- Build quality (specially the cable)
- Technical performance
- Quality assurance
- Comfort

And I don't even care much about shell material, just good comfort. For the cable though I want it to be as sturdy as possible, and hopefully you guys can enlighten me on the quality control/assurance history of these 3 manufacturers. Thanks in advance!

I terms of technical performance, I mainly listen to heavy music (rock, metal, grunge, punk, and their subgenres) but I also love all kinds of other music, so something generally good would be nice.

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Rusbum kept badmouthing the original Yume, saying it distorts in bass. It was all lies as corroborated by measurements

This raises the question - why is Yume considered so bad "technicality" wise?

>>93656643
The FR looks good.
Still $220 is too expensive for 1dd+2ba, would be killer at $100.
Let's see how much Kara will cost.

>>93656983
>The FR looks good.
no it doesn't

treble looks as whack as yume:midnight and yume ii

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Possible culprit: inverse polarity. Why do fucking chinks keep wiring their iems incorrect?

>>93656896
Click on the third harmonic, you'll see it's dominating. That means the BA is playing all the way into subbass and eventually it clips. Hexa has the same problem.
>>93657016
Many "technical" IEMs have inversed polarity.

>>93657047
Third harmonic is dominant in every BA iem, it means nothing because <0.44% thd is inaudible

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>>93657047

Here's a graph with one of yume DD drivers broken. You can clearly see how BA is inaudible in bass in a working unit

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How are these in 2023?
What uses are they for?

>>93657100
>How are these in 2023?
pos
>What uses are they for?
tinnitus speedrun

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Does anybody know how to interpret this graph? The right the worse? Yume seem to be uncannily bad in non-tonal errors, whatever they are

>>93657066
>>93657095
When BA reaches clipping it'll distort all frequencies via IMD. All because they haven't high-passed it. 94dB is nothing for subbass. Even 110 doesn't reveal audible issues sometimes.

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>>93657201
https://www.hypethesonics.com/minihype-technical-capability1/
Still not very clear.

>>93656759
>technical performemes
all 3 are 1dd and hence have similarly good pr/distortions, also none of the 3 are known to have qa or build quality issues
that aside, in your case, I'd strongly recc against 7hz zero because shells have retarded shape, cable is pretty bad and treble is unsalvageable even with eq
of the remaining two I'd chose hola over wanker because their shells are more comfortable to me

My S12 Pro just arrived. Do these really need some extra amplification? Honestly I was expecting more from a planar

>>93657309
Thanks, I thought the meme shell of the 7Hz would be a problem but nobody who I've talked to about them seems to mind. It's really interesting how subjective things get at these margins.

>>93657302
https://www.hypethesonics.com/tanchjim-darling-minihype/
>It’s rare to find an IEM this good at any price. The Darling easily competes with, and in some ways exceeds, the current best IEMs. It does this at a fraction of the price, making the Darling an easy recommendation.
They seem to be full of shit

>>93657514
They talk a lot about phase in >>93657302 but headphone people talking about phase never address the elephant in the room - speakers. I wouldn't pay them much attention either.

>>93657622
Still they measured Yume to be worse than competitors in some metric they can't even explain properly. It's phase response seems to be ok aside from being inverted

>>93657647
>Still they measured Yume to be worse than competitors in some metric they can't even explain properly
And by that metric we're meant to buy linkbuds s. Bruh.

>>93657795
I think I began to understand what they mean by non-tonal error
It's a total sum of deviation from ideal impendence, thd and impulse response flatline
so it's just a useless aggregate

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Poorfag here, want to get into DAPs. HiBy R2 II or Shanling M0 Pro? Is the extra $40 worth it?

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Is there any sleeper iem’s? As in cheap item’s that sound quality rivals really nice ones?
Or maybe leave room for upgrades? I don’t know- just spitballing.
I wanna dip my toes in iems. Something to replace my headphones. Something I can wear for long periods of time and rival a good pair or over the ear’s.

>>93657882
Do not spend over $20 on iems until you can __PERFECTLY__ visualize your preferred FR on a graph, and have a black belt in PEQ'ing

>>93657849
Save up for a couple of extra months, buy R3 PRO Saber and solve DAPs for ever.

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Another reminder that $20 is endgame territory.

>>93657951
Chu sounds like hot garbage

>>93657928
What makes the R3 Pro worth it?

>>93657882
Not really a sleeper but one true endgame - Clear Concept Audio CRA is being brought up rather infrequently lately.

>>93658013
Because it's been stealth revised.

>>93657995
Dual SABER DACs, top tier battery life (19hrs unbalanced playback), small but good looking touchscreen, awesome build quality (feels solid in the hand), and the most important IMO: infinite (up to 2TB in practice) microSD storage expansion, and a snappy OS to go with it (won't lag as soon as you have more than 1000 songs, I have a 200GB 30.000+ song library and it's as snappy as always).

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>>93657915
How do I get to that point, anon?
>>93658013
>Clear Concept Audio CRA
Are the comfy for long periods?

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Yume Ultra graphs are out. Like I said, pos is putting it lightly

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descent into madness

>>93658060
Shit, the battery life is a big thing for me. I just looked it up and it's on sale right now too. I think I'm gonna jump on it. Good looking out, bro.

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aful p8 but had to normalize at 2k because of elevated mids
i've heard people say flat is justice

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>>93659139
nice 10dB soundstage dip bro
experience open air concert standing 300m away from stage

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I’m about to buy CCA CRA’s as my first IEM in an attempt to replace 770 pro headphones.
What am I in for?
note-
I’m aware they probably won’t be amazing, but I have no idea what I want in graphs. Idk how to read them even.

>>93659439
don't buy that pos, it got stealth revised and is now shit, though been great once

>>93658060
Quick question, I notice there's a 2022 version that's out of stock alongside the regular one that's on sale. Is there a big difference between the two? Should I go with the old one that's on sale or wait for them to restock the new one?

>>93659439
You're in for another shit purchase because you can't read.

so you were just a troll the whole time, huh... dammit anon. 9/10 you really had me from the jump

>>93659500
The 2022 is an update over the regular. The regular has dual ES9218P DACs and the 2022 has dual ES9219 DACs, the power circuit is 20% stronger in both unbalanced and balanced modes, and it has Dual-independent crystal oscillators. The battery life is also marginally better, and it looks a bit better, but it's basically the same device with some marginal updates.

Really the only update worth mentioning is the power circuit's, and it's only relevant if you're running like 120ohm+ headphones.

>>93656624
What's the catch with Truthear Hola?
I just came to this thread to check some shit out and admittedly I don't really know too much about in-ear monitors.
Only $20 seems weird though.
It's so cheap I'm having hard time not just spending extra money thinking there's something that's going to be fundamentally fucked up or something.

>>93659482
>>93659496
KZ ZVX
7Hz Salnotes Zero
?

>>93659886
Shiroi-chan is a tsundere siren who will succubus your life away when you realize ultimate fidelity audio experience married with harmonious genre-versatile sound signature is available at only $18.99. Hear the truth through bunny ears.
*. (tm) (*rabbits can hear up to 49,000Hz, like Shartur)

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Got the Kiiboom Evoke and am kinda disappointed with it, the mids are subpar and half the highs are non existent.
I like everything else, though. But it's not much of an upgrade over Aria.

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>>93660166
can't be that bad
try this

what are the actual best iems at the moment?
are the $20 ones really not much worse than the kilobuck deals?

>>93660194
Alright, will give it a shot. Thanks.

>>93660271
different anon but i'll just add: if you have wider bore tips, try them. [/spoiler]and if you have a silver cable try it[/spoiler]

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At this point, I’ve heard so many different opinions, idk where to start with iems.
Ask where to start, someone says this-
About to buy- someone says it’s a bad idea-
Ask what to do then- nobody answers. Why are there so many bots in these threads?

>>93660332
you suffer from indecision
>shop for car
>one dealer says one thing, one friend has favorite brand, other says different
>shop for tv
>ratings at best buy are 4.8 but amazon is 4.2 and rtinga says it's garbage
nigga you have to learn to research, assess credibility of sources, and committ to an informed choice. you've had people helping you from post one. yes, i'm tired of you as the boy who cried "idk how to spend muh pocket change."

>>93659203
That is right, 3kHz resonance peak is accentuated in smaller ear canals like women and children, thats why they are so sensitive to the shouts, which is also true for shrunken head brainlets.
P8 is a very mature tuning for 6,5+ males, any questions?

>>93660450
>any questions?
why do you shill that pos bro

buy a snickers, buy a twix, buy some bubblegum. do you look to other's opinion for every little decision you make in life? live a little. and also, recognize we all have individual preferences. the fuck does it matter if i proclaim to you "Dove chocolate is the best." and you hate chocolate??? try some shit, settle on what you like. it's a journey. nobody is handed their end game on a silver platter

>>93656896
you guys always put your great minds together to figure stuff like this out but an answer is never found. i wonder why.

>>93660474
>>93660424
I already told that lil nigga to buy holas and learn to eq, he seemed to ignore it so let him suffer, he'll be unsatisfied with his first purchase either way

>>93660424
There are more than 5 people here anon.
>i'm tired of you
Too bad, the world needs more love. Love you, anon. <3

>>93660539
shove a pos up your ass and hear that tranny. ur ears are prob useless from using dt770

>>93660474
You know, if you click someone’s number, you can actually (you) someone. How long have you been using 4chan?
>>93660519
That’s a pretty bad way to look at something like that man, I’ll pray for you, friend.

>>93660623
He doesn't know what he wants so he can't possibly buy something that suits him
not hating, just hard truth

here's your (You) dumbass hoe. if i ever catch you in the streets wearing some gay pos i'll knock your head and take it to sell on headfi. *spits on you*

>>93660652
> if i ever catch you in the streets wearing some gay pos i'll knock your head
poor rusbum

>>93660573
You know man, at the end of the day, I do genuinely hope you find happiness.
You’re on 4chan keeping track of who posts what, projecting so much hate.
>>93660652
If you ever catch me irl, I hope you do come up to me so I can give you a hug. <3 Jesus loves you man.

unironically make some gay poll thing if you are so indecisive and have autism so you need numerically significant abritrary rankings to make decisions for you since you lack any self-fulfilled agency or critical thinking

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>>93660207
you don't need anything else

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>>93660650
I mean just because idk what I’m looking for and have problems deciding doesn’t mean anything. lol When I know nothing about iems, and I hear a ton of different answers, how can I not have difficulty?
That’s the truth.
>>93660750
Hey that’s a great idea! Thanks anon. I’ll go make a thread in a little. :) I hope I see you there man. I’d love to hear your opinions again!

>>93659967
So the trade off is having my lifeforce drained by some bunnygirl succubus?
Sounds like a good deal desu

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it arrived bros.
overall, quite normie friendly. big bass, relaxed treble. but still a nice set for hitting play and enjoying the music.

>>93660975
kz house sound vibes

Are there any 2-pin cables that have an actual good in-line mic? I want to only need to bring one edc set of iems for both calling and music, but all of my chink earphones have awful mic quality.

>>93660975
d-do you hear the acoustic engineering meme-ery of wood body? does it even seem like real wood or synthetic/composite/fake?

>>93660975
Impressive, very nice.

>>93660784
i do
i need comfort

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on tangent of anon's wood kbear pos, i thought this was interesting when i saw it. ofc wood = cardboard = paper which has been a diaphragm material for a while, still, uncommon to see in IEMs

and honestly idk what chang means when they talk about bio-cellulose bio-fiber bio-composite diaphragms and whatnot. could very well be similar to wood/paper/plant fibers/material

>>93661429
some bio-cellulose diaphragm like in the sony mdr-r10 which many consider the greatest headphone

>>93656624
Budget: Around $20
Use: Calls, music, gaming, some hobbyist sound editing that doesn't need to be super accurate.
Sound signature: I'm not very picky. Something somewhat neutral or v-shaped.
Past gear:
-KZ EDC: Sounded reasonably balanced, though female vocals were a bit muffled. Pretty clear sounding mic. Mic broke in a few months.
My main concern is durability. My last pair went bad near the 3.5mm jack. Others went bad near the mic or earpiece. I may be asking too much for around $20, but I'm kind of a poorfag and don't want to spend more than necessary. If it's impossible to have this around 20$, how much do I need?

upgrades from the s12 pro? max $300, doesn't need to be planar, can be a hybrid.

>>93661429
it's a specific preparation of cellulose grown by bacteria. if they're not misapplying the term.

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KiiBOOM Allure 1DD $99
I remain skeptical about similarities between Allure and older brother, Thieaudio Elixir, similar to Olina vs. Oxygen debate. I cannot make comparison, I have not heard Elixir. I can say that Thieaudio's writer is better, and their description of Elixir is far more "alluring" (haha) than KiiBoom. For Elixir's description, Thieaudio emphasizes consistent themes:
>spirit and emotion
>natural tonality
>analog texture
>vintage and lush sound
>luxurious listening sessions rather than stage performances
And I agree that these are descriptors I would use for KiiBoom Allure. I enjoy Ouranos as an IEM presenting warm, lush sound, and Allure is in the same vein. There is a nice sensation of depth and weight to the Allure, which I attribute to some mid bass bloat (and potentially the acoustic engineering). There is roll-off on both ends of sub bass and upper treble. Funny enough we meme about cavernous soundstage, Allure sound is like listening in a dark cave. Not a complete "under water" sound the way some IEMs are negatively described, no, better. The sound can be tweaked with wide bore tips like TRI Clarion, which don't enhance the bass as much as the stock tips. Ouranos has more "complete" upper mids and treble extension, whereas Allure goes even darker and more relaxed. For me, it's a sound I enjoy, and it's definitely staying in the pos box. To echo Thieaudio's own words, I'm just chilling for a luxurious IEM listening session. I'm not an audio engineer critically listening, needing every cymbal ting to ring in my ears. Allure is for smooth listening, not the detail seekers or high-clarity lovers.
Speaking briefly about packaging and presentation: piss poor and laughable. I kid you not, the IEMs came tangled up WORSE than my attempt to recreate in my picture, and that's how your $99 presented to you in the biggest IEM box ever. Laughably confusing. Otherwise quality of all components is acceptable and nice.

>>93659925
zero if you want nobass, low T tuning (can easily be fixed by just 2 peq filters)
otherwise, zvx, but get different tips once the included foam tips start to disintegrate after a month or two. check OP's rentry link for recs

IEM with decent balanced sound that will last a lifetime? Can sound like a Tangzu Waner, 7hz Zero, or Ety ER2, but I want something that will easily last 60 years and I'm willing to pay whatever it takes to get that.

>>93662681
Anything that doesn't have an EST driver, if you take care of it. Even coomdrop would last, paint aside.

I hate women so much it's unreal

iem for this feel?

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>>93662527
I don't see the similarities?

>>93662776
A lot of IEMs use glues. Give glues a couple decades and they tend to degrade enough to no longer securely hold parts. I'd also like something with similar durability to the MDR V6 known for withstanding decades of heavy use and some degree of abuse. If my IEMs get yanked out of my ears and flung on the pavement I want a new cable to be all I need.

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the wood is real, and it feels of quality. has some weight to it and the grain feels hardy. it uses an 8mm single dd, lcp diaphragm that is imported from Japan. this is a set for those looking for a relaxed sound. i would recommend these for those into edm or any basshead. they are quite boomy, even more than the KZ ESX. im gonna definitely keep them in my rotation, i enjoy the relaxed sound. surprisingly good wood they user here. zoom in and have a look

>>93663579
what's the model name
wanna find fr for that wood pos

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>>93663593
kbear kw1, no graphs yet but I'll ask the bossman for one.

kiiboom anon, don't reply to the graphcel, he's baiting you into ruining another thread

>>93663612
holy based

>>93663579
damn all i have to write is 6 sentences vaguely praising a pos and i get free shit?

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the pecker is the final bird name theyre giving to an iem. i have one suggestion before they totally stray away from bird name ideas.
>>93663665
if you're in the US and can get things from amazon.
the pecker is the final bird name

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honestly if you're not going to use EQ then this is the best you can do

>>93657361
>>93662355
put some effort or just buy from rentry bud. what don't you like about s12 pro? what do you want to hear differently with next pair? point to parts of FR? any more info

>>93663571
You are looking for something that doesn't exist

>>93663713
Why doesn't it exist in IEMs when studio headphones have been made to that standard for decades? Has their acceptance as a better monitoring option just not caught up to the kinds of slow development professional equipment has?

>>93663612
i fucking kneel

>>93663571
i have done that slamming thing on the concrete with my fd5. still working.

>>93663753
Studio headphones sit on a rack and you grab a pair and throw them on, nobody wants to grab some iems off the table somone else was using and sick those in their ears. Also consistency is important in studios, they will use specif monitors that everyone agress sound bad just because they are so common and everyone is used to them. You can't have everyone bring in their own personal pair of iems with different tuning and then try to make a recording together.

>>93662044
Try out Hola. KZ ZVX is fine but it's similar kind of cable that you had issues

>>93662452
>Chang mystery bacteria lab-grown diaphragm
uuuhhhh bros idk if i want that or the spent nuclear fuel rod waste beryllium....

>>93663687
Is it really as easy as that?

>>93663975
inb4 it's just a vinegar mother

are there any other combo DAP/DAC players on the market like the FiiO M5 or Shanling M0 Pro?

>>93656624
Looking for a small, good looking DAP with physical buttons under $100. Going to be using it for casual listening on budget IEMs.

Any recommendations?

>>93663579
They look cool

Anyone tried SednaEarfit MAX? I am thinking about giving those a shot.

>>93665666
i have them
the earwax guard is cool and they grip pretty well but be careful what size you get
only m were available but i usually get ms and ms wouldve been better but m works fine

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>>93664859
>>93665463
threadly pmp image post

>>93665691
Yeah the size thing has always been an issue for me since what size I need is pretty variable depending on the tip/set combo so I am always hesitant to order tips that only come in 2-3 pairs of the same size but they have multi packs of the max now so I think I will give it a shot.

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>>93666666
devil's sextuplet checked
tips do be wildin' and finicky at times. although you lose some cost-effectiveness with multi-size packs, it does usually "guarantee" one size fits rather than none.

>>93666666
six sixes
satan get

>>93656624
Chuchads, how are we holding up?

>Budget
700
>Intended use
Replacing Stax SR-L300 with closed backs because the sound leak bothers me and they're so fragile that it's making me nervous
>Sound signature (or genres you like)
As clean as possible without treble peaks like the 1770
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Stax SR-L300 - the best sound I've ever had but quite cumbersome
Hifiman Ananda - the second best sound, less cumbersome but broke down
HD6XX - comfy, but not good enough sound

>>93657361
We warned you it's worse than $20 1DDs bro. But you didn't listen

>>93667614
DCA aeon closed RT or X (they are the same) Love mine, they have a balanced sound and I have found them work well with any music. Also they have great isolation and are very comfortable.

>>93667825
These seem really good, but alas they're not sold in Finland. Only the regular Aeon 2 which are a 1000. There are some Focals for sale, Celestee for 699€ and Elegia for less. You have experience with Focals?

>>93657361
planars usually require some juice

im paranoid about preserving my headphones from any damage. if my amp has a muting circuit, should i power off the amp, plug in via the unbalanced jack, turn the volume knob to minimum, then turn on the amp?

>>93668380
That is unfortunate, also I have not tried any Focals nor do I really have other suggestions for closed since I generally prefer open and am pretty satisfied with these as my only closed back.

need some prog metal recommendations
only stuff I have heard is dream theatre and porcupine tree.

>>93669462
fucking tool?

>switches
>impedence adapters
how about an iem that doesnt need extraneous shit to function properly? an iem should be plug n play

>>93669572
oh yeah, forgot about them. Have heard tool too.

are there some good high resistance iem cables?
need it to lower the noise of an output with digital volume
impedance plugs are not comfy to use

>>93669593
Whistles and bells for audio noobs who can't PEQ

I wake up
still no non pos iems in sight

i was using an electric flyswatter while wearing my pos, when i press the switch there's this high pitch noise in my ears, is my pos fucked?

>>93670216
your pos is not grounded

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>>93656624
which onahole at aliexpress is best for 7 inch penis and deathgrips your dick the hardest?

i am asking for myself

>>93670680
fuck i posted in the wrong thread

>>93670680
>>93670697
truthear red is for your sir

>>93657112
>tinnitus speedrun
explain please

>>93670680
Moondrop nekocakes is exactly what your looking for

>>93657100
I redeemed a pair a couple years ago because they looked cool. They're not good. For me they're just beaters that I sometimes use for listening to asmr in bed. I keep my 7hz Zeros in the case that came with them. The nobass tuning is fine for podcasts or whatever but not music

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joyodio pos finally here
64 FLAVORS

>>93656759
Hola is more cozy, wanker sounds better

>>93662847
Something with niggerbass

>>93662847
Any moondrop

>>93671842
oh kz
>too expensive for LATAM teenagers
>kz pos so any serious audiofool avoids
>8 happy meal toy switches to eventually fail
it's confusing when chang makes low-volume niche products, but i suppose it's their way to release something, anything new every month

redeem vidos
>>93673544
I usually root for KZ these days because their latest products are -ok- and they don't care about waifu faggotry, but this I don't understand. Why even bother selling that pos, just send a few as engineering sample to some people and call it a day.

>>93675206
How can one post be this fucking awful.

>>93657849
>HiBy R2 II
It's shit.
>The song title and cover art load slowly.
>There's no 'Sort By' settings, the 'All Songs' list is sorted alphabetically/
>It doesn't read the lyrics from the tags – a quick google search reveals you need to have an .lrc file for each track and with the TIMESTAMPS no less.
Poweramp on Android provides a much better experience, it's not even funny.

I don't own M0 Pro, so I can't say anything about it.

hey kiiboom evoke anon
how is your pos faring

>>93675350
tell me what triggered you ^_^

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>>93660784
>doing chest flys
>one side of dumbbell goes through cable while going down
>getting it up gets caught and lose stability
>26Kg falls on head
>all because some cunt told you wired is enough

why are all these pos so boring
give me fatfreq maestro SE tuning for under $200 and I'm out of the game for good

>>93675835
Also those cheap Sony earbuds are literally the same rebranded chinese shit you can find on Amazon for $5. One month into using them one of the drivers will start getting quieter and eventually fail, if you haven't teared off the shitty cable by then.

>>93660975
What is this?

>>93676310
Okay, I'm just blind.

kbear wooden kw1 anon here
metal sounds great through this set, boomy drums, non-fatiguing highs, driver is quite capable of handling busy tracks. planning to mmcx mod this set. kbear claims to have the prototype resin printed, wooden shell made overall sound warmer. still waiting for a graph. but damn, they need to make more wooden iems. this rosewood feels premium

>>93676875
How's the fit? Do these manage to stay in ?

>>93676875
don't wait for a graph just run a sine sweep and tell is how many treble peaks there are

>>93676980
fit is great. although the cable is quite microphonic as expected. just the average bullet fit.
>>93676999
will do, at work atm. gonna go in the shitter where its quiet and do it.

i wonder how as16 pro anon feels

>>93676999
treble peak is around 7k and kinda falls off after 8.5k. but there's still noise in the shitter so may need to do more sweeps later. but 20hz-50hz, ultra thick bass. 200hz-500hz could use a little less.

>Got Galaxy bud bluetooth earphones
>Drop one on a dirty carpet
>Clean it with a disinfectant wipe, just wipe it with the plastic part still on
>The one I cleaned is now EXTREMELY quiet
What do I do
I tried the earphones on two devices, disconnecting, unpairing and trying again too
Help please

>>93677939
Get real IEMs.

>>93677691
what about from 8.5k to whatever your hearing extends
if you don't hear a peak at 14-15 then it means the upper treble is heavily subdued

>>93677939
why did you drop that pos bro
try sucking air out of the nozzle and then blowing back several times

>>93678074
I feel so fucking retarded. I did try blowing into it etc but not sucking air out, which just solved it
I love you anon
>>93677963
These were a gift, I'll get better ones when I can though.

>>93678058
theres too much noise in the steel fab shitter i work at. but like i said before, this is meant to be a normie headset, so treble must be normie friendly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_Ynj78F5o

it's fucking over cringeacle sisters

my nigga dave always keeping it real. yikes, we'll see about it. i might still give it a try once there are domestic warehouse units that ship quick via amazon but my expectations sink ever lower

>>93679007
do not buy the Red pos dear saar
not only they sound mid they also fit horribly

I don't buy anything until daddy Akros has reviewed it

>>93657361
Ikr, they just don't sound as good to me as my older 7Hz Timeless.

>>93676059
>why are all these pos so boring
Take Penon and ISN pill

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>>93679444
checked
>crank up volume 200% to hear
>"Ok hi guys, and uh welcome to this review..."
comfy af

>watching reviewers
Ngmi

>>93679888
Sorry mate, can't afford all the testbuys and so far everything Tony said about pos I have matches what I hear myself.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVZ2KYs1kW8
hmm P8 seems to still fit well like P5, given it's just slightly thicker now. fits this relatively small woman well. i like the copper cable

>>93676059
some guy on headfi claims that these pos dont even have the bass like the graph implies. it wouldn't surprise me either.

>>93679945
I can hear 20 hz in my Olas
I can't hear 20 hz with my speakers

babe wake up new pos just dropped

>>93679962
Delete this before anyone else read your post. It's embarrassing af.

>>93679962
You need a $600 sub to hear 20Hz.

>>93679984
why

>>93680001
Check the box or back of that speaker

>>93679999
I know
You need $20 iems or $300 sub to hear 20hz
so what is >>93679945 all about
>>93680010
my 2.1 pc speakers start at 45hz and my pair of monitors start at 52hz

>>93680026
So why do you expect to do them things they are not supposed to do?

>>93680042
Never have I stated that I expected them to play 20hz

>>93680052
>>93679962

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>>93680065

>>93680081
>my product advertised to do thing does it
>my other product advertised to don't do thing doesn't do it
what the fuck is the point of that post?

>>93675372
sometimes my consooming mind thinks I need a PMP
but then I think that the app musicolet on my smartphone is already peak listening experience for my iems and if a buy an pmp I will just regreat that I wasted money on something that wont improve in any meaningful way

>>93680106
what's the point of >>93679945

the wooden kbear pos can play down to 13hz
WUB-----WUB------WUB

Reminder that it's KB Ear and not K Bear

oh fuck, it'll go to 1hz if i turn it up more

>>93680226
you're not hearing 1hz you're hearing harmonic distortion from driver shitting itself trying to play something it can't

>>93680224
this changes everything
what does kb mean though?

>>93680319
kilobuck

>>93680264
well ill be damned

what are some all rounded iems that won't cost my entire monthly salary? judging by the graphs there are some not so bad sounding ones even at $20, but they seem shit in every other aspect

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I did the CCA CRA cotton mod and it sounds like shit now. The mids are even more recessed and the subbass extension (formerly the best part of that earphone) is nonexistent. A bit of the cotton leaked into and around the driver housing in one of them, so I'm not even sure if it's possible for me to fix them now.

/iemg/bros, when was the last time you fell for a schizo from this thread?

>>93680452
Moondrop Variations

>>93680468
stop putting lipstick on a pig

>>93680452
>but they seem shit in every other aspect
Like what.

>>93680452
>but they seem shit in every other aspect
It's why TKZK Ouranos is the usual, repeated actual "budget" rec ie you're not an utter poorfag who needs dirt cheap $20. Wan'er/ZVX fine sound, build, package accessories issues. Cadenza good sound (upper mids/treble spice), but a chunkier bulbous resin shell, still issues with below average accessories. Ouranos addresses all of those concerns, while offering a nice quality sound.

>>93680468
literally nobody has discussed that for ages. and also you should have known NOT to do it within the nozzle with cotton. you could have just used ear tips that hold the cotton within to temporarily try it. also cra = tinnitus

>>93680468
why didnt you just use foam

>>93680505
>TKZK Ouranos
that one seems suspiciously similar to the tin t3+ which i already have
is it just the same shell or?
regarding the sound of the t3+: i don't really like it's sound, the bass sounds rather slow and unresolving
also there's something else i do not like about their sound, but i can't really tell what it is exactly, it just sounds weird compared to my speakers and verum 1 headphone (not surprising, considering it's frequency response), both of which sound similarly neutral, but not the iems tuned to v-shape like harman target
might it be that i am getting a bad fit/seal so the frequency response changes dramatically? i have tried various tips and the best sounding ones are those black-red xelastic clones, while almost any other ones sound very muffled
however i like the design and shell shape of these, build quality is great too, though i bought a different cable for them because the default one seemed thin and shitty

>>93680912
It's literally T3+ just in slightly different shell

>>93680468
>cotton mod
what was it?

>>93680912
since t3+, tin released the c3, and their sub-brand is tkzk, which released the ouranos. they can be looked at very much as sister IEMs.
>T3+
The most V-shaped outright. Lots of bass, lots of treble, over-boosted for most taste who prefer closer to neutral
>C3
Slightly more refined, but still a rather pronounced V-shape.
>Ouranos
The least V-shaped, and using a *possibly* higher quality driver configuration and diaphragm material. It presents more neutral and warm with cohesive sound.
ouranos basically beats the other two in all the nuanced aspects unless you are a v-shape enjoyer, in which case you'd stick with t3+ or c3.
the difference is likely not dramatic though, splitting hairs. which begs the question: What are you expecting from a budget 1DD purchase if you already have an IEM like T3+? You are buying a side/downgrade. You want actual increased fidelity or a different FR, you need to narrow it down better.

>>93680994
i just am not sure if the t3+ is good enough, i feel like an iem can sound much better considering how people in this thread praise them so i may be missing out
>What are you expecting from a budget 1DD purchase
could be not very budget, around $350 would do
just not the two grand stuff, can't imagine myself paying that much for an outdoor casual listening device

>>93681104
ok nigga well there is a reason why
How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use
>Sound signature (or genres you like)
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
is at the top of OP so you can answer all of these qualifying questions and we can get straight to giving to recommendations rather than you
>first asking about budget pos
>we talk about budget pos
>then you want an IEM up to $350

>>93681143
it's not that simple
what i am asking is whether there's something much better than the iems i already have, not just marginally and which doesn't cost as much as a full ass speaker setup, and if stuff like the t3+ really any good compared to what an iem could be
because if it's %80 perfect, why bother paying much more for a small improvement?
the thing is, there could be something preventing me from getting these to the full potential at all

blon bl-03 + audiosense s400 tips = you don't need more

>>93681279
>it's not that simple
Cool, and giving you any kind of rec based on your vague circumstances and desires is also not that simple. Audio is entirely subjective. Anons in this thread will decry
>Dynamic driver is best! Low distortion, etc.
>Planar hits different in bass and is higher resolution
>Multi-BA has the best technicalities!
And guess what, each one of them could be genuine in their feeling and justified in their opinion based on what "facts" and "science" you want to consider. I'm not a fucking IEM salesman bro. You spend whatever amount of money you want to spend on this material object. I am not one to state as if it's universal fact and concrete data "X IEM is in fact 225% higher sound fidelity than your T3+ and is worth the cost of $349!" No. "It's not that simple."

comply is arriving stay tuned

You want help based on genre of music, or specific parts of frequency response, that's what the Request Advice centers around. You want to ask about
>something much better
>%80 perfect
>small improvement
>full potential
NONE of those have anything to do with the concrete sound characteristics or frequency response of an IEM. You're talking gibberish technicalities. Go watch a Gizaudio Tommy video if you want that, and buy whatever he says.

>>93681279
IEMs peak at $20 and you're already past that. >>93657951
By going above that at best you get slightly better stock FR but worse distortion, most of the time you just downgrade.

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what does zeos have to say about this pos8?

>>93682157
aful hasn't made a good iem

>>93682157
He'll coom over it and go
>Blaahh I don't even KNOW how to describe the soundstage! Waifu wallpaper link below.
or he'll be unimpressed by his 3 minutes of rigorous testing and he'll go
>Eh it's not that special, just a good studio monitor flat neutral
Nothing in between

Top Gunbros... this song hits diff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2CIAKVTOrc

Did anyone measure Red with higher ohm impedance adapters yet?

>>93682393
squig.link

>>93682441
I don't mean the included 10ohm one.

>>93682495
Neither do I.

>>93682495
>>93682393
nigger

>>93682393
yes. hope you like mud

what do the impedance adapters do?

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>>93682715

>>93682715
They make sound quieter. However, on IEMs with non-linear impedance they make some frequencies quieter than others. Depends on the IEM.

>>93682812
sorry for not being exact, i know what they do in general, i meant the case with red

>>93682898
>>93682441

>>93682715
They reduce the volume of the signal going in, which includes both the music and the amp's background hiss. You then turn up the music to be a normal volume again. The end result is less amp hiss. You could also get a source device with a better amp that doesn't produce an audible hiss on your IEM, but the impedance adapter is cheaper. It also helps if volume level 2/20 is fucking quiet but 3/20 is fucking loud, though again a different source with a better implemented volume control would do the same but cost more.

The downside is that it adds impedance, as the name implies. If you have a 1DD IEM this won't make any difference. But if you have a multi BA one it will likely change the sound signature, which might be an improvement or a problem depending on the IEM and your preference. To lower the volume without adding impedance, you could get a voltage divider instead, which costs a little more but will have the same advantages without adding impedance. An example of this is the iFi iEMatch.

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>>93675835
>he doesnt know how to fix things himself
ngmi

>>93683146
amps with fully analog volume like mine won't have lower noise because of an impedance plug though

>>93683157
glukadashi iem cavity

>>93679007
>dave
Who?

>>93683208
the guy who mogs monkeyface

>>93683208
Fat retard that "hears" differences between streaming services.

>>93683183
Assuming your volume knob is after the amp in the signal chain, yes.

>>93683242
Yes, anon, lossless does in fact sound better than 128 kbps mp3.

I don't understand what is said about the HD800. I've listened to 4 pairs of them and I don't seem to pick up whatever clarity, detail, or imaging they're talking about. The imaging is nebulous, really. I'm not sure what I'm missing.

>>93683359
>headphones
>2023
you're missing brain

>>93683382
iems are shit lol

What are some of (You)r favourite ear tips?

>>93683832
sednaearfit max
sednaearfit short
sednaearfit light

yooo 4:20 dudeweedlmao
>he doesn't increase soundstage and techs with psychotropic drugs
ngmi

>ugly bright red faceplate
:/
can you take off zero's face plate?

>>93683359
You didn't pay $900 for them, so you werent emotionally invested in convincing yourself you made a good purchase

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>>93684135
it might not be the easiest. i believe it's set a few mm inside the 2nd piece cavity. in other words, there is glue deep into where the faceplate meets the interior notch/crevices. you'll need to dissolve it all away or otherwise dig into & pop out the plate from it's seat.

finna buy some airpods ong, what's a good value bussin model?

>poor itoddler
the worst kind. get the airpods pro 2nd gen or else you straight capppppin b dont be like that

>>93679888
yes anon, blind buy everything

>>93685005
forgot to mention, i need the airpods to be wireless

Bluetooth headphones are better than wired. Wired is old useless boomer tech. There is no advantage to wired.

Should I get the mic version of the KZ ZVX?

Why hasn't the IEM market adapted to USB, the superior technology?

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>imagine the leaking

>>93685392
usb is ugly

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>>93685693
>on-ears
kek do hpggers really?

>>93685392
It has. USB C DAC cables exist. One end is a USB C plug, other end is 2pin/MMCX/whatever plugs to go into IEMs.

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>K-pop

God I hate this faggot. Why do audio reviewers always have the shittiest taste in music?

>>93685288
Do you want a mic?
I'm not familiar with that particular KZ, but all the cheapy KZ, CCA and KBear cables I have come with a tradeoff: Usually the no-mic cable has a chin cinch while the mic version doesn't. For my mic cable I just took the twist tie it came with and wrapped it semi loosely around the 2 wires in a spiral so it can slide up and down easily.
Also remember, KZ stock cables kinda suck and you can always get a better cable for about $10-20. The IEMs themselves are identical between mic and no mic versions.

>>93685874
Tip: IEMs that are good for kpop will also work well for normal pop.

>>93685085
samsung galaxy make some bussin airpods no cap

What's a song with gaping soundstage that I can use for listening tests?

>>93685874
Because they want to listen to gear, not to music

>>93686362
When you're reviewing gear, you want to choose music that makes good gear more easily distinguishable from bad gear, even if that isn't the music you'd choose to listen to on it every day for pleasure.
Same as when everyone was using Ashes of the Singularity as a benchmark for gaming computers because it was a good test of multithread performance and explicit multi-GPU rendering, even though few of them played it much.

Would you rather have
>Gaping soundstage
Or
>Cavernous soundstage
Or
>Hard-hitting Amazon Music(tm)

Is KZ AZ09 good for you?

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kbear kw1

KZ ZVX + KZ AZ09 is $46. Samsung Galaxy Buds2 is like $75. Is it worth the upgrade?

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>>93687900
oh shit mudbros, we're eating good

>>93687959
az09 is terrible dog shit. will HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS in your ears.
buds2 is far better, yes

>>93687900
kbear trying to outdo the rosefinch and i'm here for it

>>93687900
Are you buying them?

>>93688370
>buds2
No option to go wired, cringe. Just get AZ09 Pro. No hissing.

>>93687900
Is this good or bad?

>>93688516
Good if you're a high melanin culturally enriched individual

>>93656624
What are the alternatives/competitors/upgrades to the truthear hola (cheap, warm, good enough bass). Don't mind if it's slightly more expensive

For context I'm used to wearing warm vintage style studio monitors like over ear AKG headphones for production work, but I need some IEMs for traveling and such

If headphones are not noise canceling, they're not worth buying.

>>93689015
good effective passive noise cancellation > all the greatest active noise cancellation

What's a good true wireless IEM for around $70 or less?

>>93683359
hd800s in the bottom 10 pieces of audio equipment I ever heard. Only above genuinely broken garbage like sr-009s or sr1a. Can't handle dense music at all, it's like it blurs all sounds.

>>93689073
>What's a good true wireless IEM
An oxymoron.

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It's over...

>>93689658
they honor their warranties

is p8 really a kilobuck? wtf

>>93689688
Price or performance? Because one G*rman store har it listed for below $400 for a moment, possible leak of final price among that $999 placeholders

>>93689073
Refurbished Galaxy buds pro from Amazon. No other TWS comes close at that price point. It's unironically what I personally use when I leave my basement once a year

>>93683394
>shit
IEMs are best at portability and convenience with amazing price/performance at the low to middle price range.
Speakers give you the absolute best sound, and are completely worth it if you have the space.
Headphones are in this middle ground that no one likes. They don't even become good until the $200 price mark.

>>93689073
anything with a removable cable + FiiO UTWS3

>>93689973
>wearing giant hooks around your ears instead of a tiny dot inside
ngmi

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Yesterday I spent an hour ABing blue Hook and K5 because with the tracks I tried every single one sounded more enjoyable on K5. After that hour, just before I gave up I finally noticed that performance difference - better defined subbass rumble and bass in general, be it electronics or live bass drums, with Hook.
On the other hand I still like cymbals on BA more than piezo/planar (my guess is that piezo because regular planar headphones play them perfectly). Good hybrid is probably still the way to go for universal set.

>>93690009
You think you're listening to drivers when in reality you're listening to FR.

>>93690085
kill yourself along your soundsweeps graphfag

>>93690120
The sooner you learn this simple truth the less time you'll waste on garbage products.

>>93690151
You graphfags are like academic neomarxists - 'communism just works, this time it will be okay, because my thesis says so', except it never fucking works, it crashes and burns and people suffer - exactly the same like when relying 100% on graphs.

>>93688580
B-bump

>>93689904
Neighbours will kill you for bass and especially for subbas that throughout 17 meters, and good bass perception starts at 90 dB. Speakers simply do not make sense if you do not have a separate home in the distance. Headphones are a good compromise and the ability to feel the bass at least with your head and full ears, especially big ≥90mm planars

>>93690376
It works just fine on DDs, you have been warned about distorting meme drivers.

>>93688580
>>93690558
KZ ZS10 Pro X

>>93690773
Except it doesn't. Planar and maybe beryllium handles this sit well. I'm waiting for biodyna which should also manage but that's few weeks into the future, regular single dd measuring the same as said biodyna shits the bed with bass cotrol. And I'm talking real music, not some lab sweeping excercises.

>>93692295
You're still trying to translate your headphone experience into IEMs.

>>93692312
I'm talking 4 different iems here dd+ba, planar+piezo, 2 different dds, only one of them handles lows as god intended - planar.

I have redeemed the Aful and some BGVP W01 ear tips

>>93692357
See >>93690085
If the driver is "too slow" reduce 200Hz. Then a whole new world of audio will be revealed to you.

>>93692392
to what point should i reduce it? -1db seems to have no effect and -3 sounds weird, -2 both sounds weird and has no effect on bass control

>>93689658
If it's out of warranty, see what they charge to do a repair. If it's too much, just scrape what's left of the glue and put new glue. That's what I did when my Shure SE425s finally came apart. The repair cost would've been more than they're worth to me, but a $5 thing of glue got the job done. They're still going strong too.

>>93692392
While this will improve a great many IEMs, no amount of EQ tweaking makes a cruddy driver like the one in SE215 sound as detailed as an actually okay IEM like Fiio FH3.

>glue
what the fuck is this poorfaggotry? everything should be held together by bolts and nuts, or at least screws

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>>93692853
>everything should be held together by bolts and nuts, or at least screws
Based Tanchjim.

in my headphone's manual it says that the max long-term power is 500mw. my headphone amp can max put 357mw into 300ohms. there's no way the amp's power could damage the drivers then, right? even if i played a loud pop transient? just curious!

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>>93656624
What would people recommend if I liked the TANGZU Zetian Wu's sound signature and a price levet somewhere around there ie. 150 or maybe 200 USD?

I have had 2 pairs but the problem has been the quality of the housing where the face plates falls off. Tried to fix in on both but its too fragile.

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>>93693022
graph

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iems like this?

>>93693308 giga-nigga bass >>93687900

>>93688471
im the anon with the kbear kw1

>>93688516
good for edm, metal, or just getting your body moving to the beat. only for high-test niggas. the bass is much stronger than my kz esx.

>>93692383
why did you buy that pos bro
>>93693022
get mangird tea 2, I saw it on ali at below $200
>>93693308
fatfreq maestro mini

>>93693437
Just check out the mangird tea 2 and seems really nice, however I cant find it at any price besides 349 USD

>>93693586
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005003961957039.html
try this

>>93693651
thanks a lot seems like a really nice set for the price

>>93693013
Those ratings will produce sound at lethal levels for a human. You're fine

>take out sony A105 after a while
>forgot display pin code
>there's no factory reset
>there's no fastboot
>https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/digital-music-players-nw-nwz-a-series/nw-a105/articles/00235372
>explicit mention only sony can reset it and charge you
WTF is this even legal?

tfw still no new mangird pos

>>93693796
serves you right for living around untrustworthy individuals you fucking retard

>>93693796
It's been standard for Android for years now, unfortunately

>>93693796
why would you lock your player with a passcode? are you afraid that your friends will find your anime songs?

>>93681961
its good

>>93693796
have you tried complaining about this on headfi? im sure they would help you out more than lousy corporate customer service