>>92422090
>make a full tower
>call it a mid tower
I hate this meme

Reposting
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2ZqFbK
Made this for a friend around a year or two ago but he never got around to building it. Recently though, he told me he wants to build it with a budget of 1500$, but not only does he want to use it for gaming but to also run his guitars through it like an Amp. I'm not sure about the last part since I don't play music, so I was wondering if you anons could help me improve this list. Also he already has a monitor and storage

>>92422129
let them cope for not being micro atx chads
itxlets need not apply

redpill me on the 7900 xt. Why does this one have so much more vram than the 4070ti when they're the same price?

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>>92422289
new games need the vram.
here's a free amd sponsored game that comes with ryzen/radeon products.

>4090
>7800x3d (or 7950x3d if doing productivity work)
>OLED display
Why do we need this general anymore?

>>92422311
I think the 7800X3D will still be better than most for productivity.

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another amazing amd sponsored game

>>92422310
console tier fps better turn it down to 1080p and cope

>>92422289
Nvidia is trying to pull a fast one more or less, relying on fanboys, and saving some money.

Though I am not sure how real the VRAM problem is. i.e if the problem is VRAM amount or it is lazy devs that have stopped optimizing. FSR, DDLS or whatever makes it easier for developers to get away with shit like this.

>>92422289
amd paid off the whole video game industry in a conspiracy move to btfo nvidia by increasing vram dependancy before nvidia could react, whatever they tell you dont believe the amd shills

>>92422158
Sorry anon, I am clueless about music stuff, but it looks pretty good if you ask me. Maybe get a CPU better suited for production than 5600 if he wants to record and do stuff with his music.

One question, how much storage and what kind of storage does he have?

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>>92421485
>>92421498
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TbQwd9
13600K build is also possible for $20 less.

okay guys, right now I have video card, ram and monitor
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/bHZWFg
Build for 1080 gaming; I have a 4k 144hz tv as second monitor but I don't really care for 4k gaming.
no more than 1k for the missing parts
country, italy
If it's possible I would like to fit everything into a mid tower for space, but airflow is more important. About the case, I don't care for flashing lights, I'm a sober anon

>>92422484
>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/bHZWFg
>4x8 gb on daisy chain mobos
who told you to do this insanity
pick 16x2 like every other sane person giovanni

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my computer has wheels. it weighs 150lbs. it is resistant to handgun calibre gunfire. if i put it in the road it'd total a F350 diesel. it has a i9-13900KS and a evga K|ngP|n board. it has a server rack mounted car radiator. i'm delidding the soldered cpu for direct die cooling. the case is a 1995 government emission analyzer. this morning i rubbed androsterone in vitamin E into my testicles, and took a drop of thyroxinone. i feel like i'm on fire. my 23mm holesaw arrived from amaon - mass casualty event averted. threw my 24 mm holesaw across a field. i am a threat to society. headed to ACE hardware to get 32 screws and 32 nuts.

>>92422387
>game runs better than consoles but we're going to nitpick about shit like the resolution changing if you dont hover your mouse

>>92422387
AMD Garbage

>>92422449
Thanks, do you have a specific cpu in mind? Also I know he has at least 2 tb and an ssd, forgot what size that one is but I know it's decent

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Holy shit if these rumors about 4060 and 4050 are anywher close t otrue they're pretty muhc DoA and will be torn to shreds in the reviews.
6 to 8 GB VRAM, fuckhuge RayTracing Cores' branding on the box, and we fucking well know taht cards under 12 GB pretty muhc shit themselves if you turn up teh textures.

So what does NV want? Idiots that buy 'RT' cards and then play with 'RT on' at medium textures in HD?
Probably with DLSS3 turned on to keep the 'framerate' somewhere close t o60 while the game actually ends up feeling like a 2012 30 fps console title?

I just don't know anymore. If AMD was in any way, shape or form in shouting range of intelligent they'd grab this as a free win in the mid segment of the market.
But I'm sure they'll just fuck up he pricing and get scathing reviews on release because their marketing is less appealing than German industry ad videos.

ANd if you thiught 'maybe intel can use this, just forget it. Arc is literally in a medical coma for at least another year in thei vague hope that they can somehow use black magic tro fix their drivers.

>>92422599
Cant help you there, sorry. someone will hopefully see your post

>>92422618
Anon, you ate the problem

>>92422618
clearly nvidia wants the 1080p audience

>>92422484
this is not a good way to buy ram as corsair puts whatever in their kits
but here u go
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NxMXDq

>>92422528
it's a piece I already got, if it has some performance problems I can buy another ram

>>92422708
its fine as long as you dont overclock the ram, which isnt worthwhile anyways so whatever

>>92422618
You're supposed to use the Fake Frames ™ AI ® technology.

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>>92422537
>t.

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>>92422537
are you OK

>>92422618
nvidia's fuck up in the midrange just means they're going to keep their midrange prices high

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How far can I undervolt a 4090? Can I get it to run stable on a 750w psu?

>why the fuck would you want to do that, anon?
I want to fuck around with AI stuff and need the VRAM, but ALSO need a solid card for my graphics-based job making assets/animations/etc. I figure the 4090, even undervolted would probably perform at least as well as a 4070.

> why not just get a better PSU

Because I'm an SFF cuck and the only 1000w PSU that will fit in my case is the silverstone one and I hear that fucker sounds like a jet engine even when it's idling.

> You want to spend $2000 just so you can fuck around with AI a little even though it's not your job and you could get similar performance for $800?

Correct. Money isn't a huge deal for me. So can I undervolt it to run stable or not?

Other components: 7950X, 64GB RAM

>>92422618
>>92422677
>>92422727
Nvidia ships less vram because they want you to use DLSS.

>>92422748
by most reports, AMD is selling their last gen cards by the warehouse
ANd if the prices for the upcoming NV launches are close t otrue, they will flop harder than the 4080.

>>92422695
thanks anon, but why there is a compatibility warning?

>>92422808
dont undervolt, just power limit it to 80% or something
Mine runs fine stock on a 850W supply but I pl to 90% don't loose any performance

>>92422808
You can power limit a 4090 well below 400W and still outperform a 4080 let alone a 4070Ti. The stock power limit is frankly excessive.

>>92422808
>How far can I undervolt a 4090? Can I get it to run stable on a 750w psu?
>750W PSU with a 4090
Enjoy your housefilre sir.
As for the undervolting just watch this and do the same : https://youtu.be/kh1QsSCt4Xk

>>92422090
is there a list of cases with fans from below somewhere? i'd like to make a positive pressure case from which an AIO 360 coolers blows outward (so my gpu gets cool air too), which means 3 fans at front and 3 fans at bottom would work wonders

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IPS Monitor duel!
XG27AQ(£550) vs G273QF(£300)

which one would you go for?
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/rog-strix-xg27aq
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g273qf

>inb4 qdoled
im too poor right now and stuck at 1080p with a 4080

>>92422823
nvidia ships less vram because they want you to buy a new gpu sooner.

>>92422808
Wouldn't 4000Ada be better in this usecase?
t.notknower

>>92422808
Just set the power limit to soemthing like 70% with one of teh usual tools.

But seriously, if you do that you can just save half your money and buy a 7900 XTX, unless you specifically need CUDA cores for drawing your AI porn.

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>Why your PC port runs like shit

What do you do if your discrete GPU stops working and you dont have a integrated GPU?

>>92422866
>>92422855
>>92422847
>>92422932

I'm a dumbass and didn't know the difference between undervolt and power limit. Thanks for the answer guys.


>>92422924
Not enough VRAM for big LLMs, which is what I'm most insterested in.

>>92422965
short term, you buy a new gpu
long term, you learn a valuable lesson

>>92422965
take PC to local shop and borrow gpu there

>>92422986
What is the lesson? Always get a CPU with iGPU?

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>>92422727
i think what nvidia really wants is to force 3 tiers of 4060 1080p, 4070 1440p and 4080 for 4k by restricting their ram so u cant skip tiers by lowering details, with the 4090 basically being the joker card that will last for more than one generation
people hold on for too long to their gpus and nvidia wants a piece of that smartphone goodness where people keep upgrading their phone every generation to enjoy the newest gimmicks while establishing easy to understand prestige tiers so consoomers will always try buy into the highest tier they can afford instead of making intelligent choices that suit their actual needs
>>92422823
thats just feature they implemented to evade criticism when dumb consoomers that didnt get the memo bought a 4k monitor for a 4060 tier gpu and leave negative reviews (just turn on dlss goy and buy better tier next time)

>>92422887
If you have a samsung shop for support nearby I'd take my chances with a g7, it's a steal if you win their shitty QC lottery.

>>92422966
It's cool. You could try undervolting it instead (or as well) but you will have to verify the stability if you do. Not really advisable for a work machine where minor instabilities can cost major money.

>>92422289
Nvidia is testing the waters on how much people will pay for less.

>>92422966
>big LLMs
my brother in christ, "enough VRAM for big LLMs" is measured in 100s of racks of 8x80GB A100s with a very serious interconnect between them

>>92422996
correct

>>92422942
modern games really do be like this that's why I can't take this sudden vram hunger serious

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>>92423014
>nvidia wants a piece of that smartphone goodness where people keep upgrading their phone every generation
Do people actually?
I've had the same Samsung xCover 4 for 5 years or so. Still not planning on upgrading.
Hopefully the sales fucking suck and we'll be back to good cards with the 50 series.
Alternatively Intel actually gets their shit together and they release some good cards for once. Maybe AMD will finally get a driver too.

>>92423062
get used to those screws, thanks to nanite artists have no incentive to optimize.

>>92422289
nvidias business model is to gimp the vram so you're upgrading every few years

>>92423057
How much would you say a iGPU is worth? It seems like there are very few CPUs with iGPUs these days. 5600G maybe

>>92423083
It's the most retarded thing. You can't even interact with the motherfucking objects. What happened to making geometric blocks and skinning them with textures?

>>92422996
It's worth the additional expense. I spent 1.5 YEARS without a fucking PC because Haswell-E has no support for iGPUs, and my GPU died during pandemic scalping. I will NEVER buy a CPU or motherboard platform without iGPU support again. It's not worth having a completely dysfunctional, unusable machine.

>>92422618
the whole scam is to get people to use gay tracing on the lower end cards to try and convince them they need the higher end models for it to run better

>>92423067
theres always that point where companies hit a wall where they cant make the hardware any better than previous generations but still need to sell new product to consoomers to keep profits flowing, thats when u start shilling features nobody asked for and trying to convince everyone that they need them anyway, seems to work pretty well in the smartphone space and certainly already gaining traction in the pc hardware space now too

>>92423062
Isn't this what LOD is supposed to prevent? I can't imagine that screw rendering at that detail unless you've got your camera planted in front of it.
But then again modern devs are retarded pajeets.

>>92423118
All 7000 AMD CPUs come with integrated GPUs. The last desktop gen only had 5600G and 5700G which ran like the 3000 line. It's only good for 1080p/60fps AA games, you can't play AAA reasonably on them.

>>92423118
nigga basically every single CPU comes with an iGPU these days, you're thinking of an APU

>>92423143
Except that Nvidia can absolutely make better cards for an appropriate price, they just refuse to.
Again, maybe Intel will save us...

>>92423118
i dunno, like 50 shekels max?

how much would it cost to buy a bare minimum dedicated gpu, used, and keep it in your closet for emergencies?
about that much, maybe a bit more, for the convenience of not actually having to install/remove the spare gpu

and maybe a bit more still, since there's some cases when you can use the igpu even while your main gpu is still fine (eg using quicksync for streaming, or having it run your desktop while you passthrough the discrete card to a windows vm running on a linux host)

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>got a 4070ti for 750

How did I do?

>>92423170
>Intel looks down upon you from their finally functional fabs in 2030 and says:
"GNU"

>>92423155
bullshit, the f versions without integrated cpu are selling way better than the ones with igpu on intel side, not sure how its on amd side because their integrated igpus are actually worth a damn and at least 50% better than the intel shit, but intel sells way more cpus so u can bet a lot , if not the majority of consoomers lack an igpu cpu

>>92423183
it's already obsolete so terrible

>>92423183
Still 200 more than I'd ever be willing to pay for it.

>>92423170
>maybe Intel will save us...
correct, its our only hope
amd is very obviously colluding with nvidia, and i have little hope that the cousin CEOs will end up in jail as they should.

>>92423188
>F versions are selling better
you just made that up

>>92423127
Are you functionally retarded? You could have just bought a GT 710/730.

>>92423188
this is what I thought and was why I asked the question. It feels like non-f or k are so rare

>>92423182
You are making some good points. What about this: You buy a lower value CPU with an iGPU to swap out if your GPU bricks?

>>92423204
every retailer, including amazon ALWAYS has the f versions in stock, the non f ones are always ordered on demand, because nobody is going to pay 20-30 more for an igpu that sucks absolute balls (on intel)

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>>92423186
>GNU
I'm already learning and testing Linux on my school laptop. I already know the switch is going to be inevitable due to how shit Win 11 is and the fact Win 12 will be even more dumbed down, have integrated AI shit bloatware and be more cloud base (more spyware).
Thankfully Win 10 LTSC lasts until like 2032.

>>92423120
Forcing gamers to buy AMD is cheap (but unethical) paying artist to bake normals is expensive

>>92423249
>igpu that sucks absolute balls (on intel)
intel igpus are fine
they do what they're supposed to: run your desktop, decode video. and they do it well
they're not supposed to be used for gaming

>>92422965
bro, your old gpus?
I have a gtx 750, a 1070 and a 2060 (but I'm looking to sell this one along with my old pc) for backup gpus

>>92423249
so you once again prove you have literally no evidence except for what you think you see on Amazon
the fact of the matter could simply be that they're out of stock because they don't make them, since people don't buy them

>>92423183
>12GB of skimped VRAM
got Ngreediaded

>>92423295
Hard to have when this is my first PC

>>92423311
Dude you don't need VRAM DLSS makes everything look even BETTER than native.

>>92423293
i specifically bought one with their best igpu available (770) and its barely enough to browse the internet honestly, im not sure how well the new amd igpus are doing but you can actually use them for light gaming, intel has no excuses really

>>92423249
Those iGPUs are worth it because of things like GeForce Now.

>>92423308
>the fact of the matter could simply be that they're out of stock because they don't make them, since people don't buy them
isnt that just proving his point?

>>92423308
>they're out of stock because they don't make them
could be yeah, but my intuition tells me the non f version all go into prebuilds while the f versions are primarly sold on the parts market, which is ironic because it should be the other way round since ppl who buy prebuilds wont have a clue how to remove a dead gpu or switch to the integrated one in bios to use it for trouble shooting

>>92423331
well if your cpu doesn't have an igpu then you can buy an used/cheap gpu like a gt 710
it comes in handy for troubleshooting or just being able to output to your display while you replace your real gpu

is the Asrock A520M-HVS motherboard good enough for a ryzen 5600?

>>92423420
I will check the price for one of those, could get it used or maybe ask a friend.

>>92423436
>A520
I would rather buy B450 because A520 is just rebranded A320.

>>92423155
APU is what AMD called it

>>92423339
>i specifically bought one with their best igpu available (770) and its barely enough to browse the internet honestly
what in the fuck are you talking about?
its a gpu
as long as it can decode video(and it can, all relevant formats), its doing its job

>but you can actually use them for light gaming
no, you can't
there isn't a single igpu out there that is even remotely acceptable for gaming
which makes sense, amd certainly doesn't want to give consumers a viable alternative to their own gpus.
this was always my main complaint about apus, they had way too much gpu for desktop tasks and way too little for actual gaming

the only situation where an apu made sense was the steam deck
small screen, 720p, optimized AF archlinux based OS, add-in FSR and you can mostly manage 60fps on a lot of older titles with low settings
certainly not what i'd call adequate for gaming by desktop standards, but for a handheld that you use to play rocket league on the shitter, it'll do.

>>92423338
Even with dlss, vram utilization increases.

>>92423249
>>92423394
i work at a big online PC shop (EU), as far as parts go we sell 3x more 13600K than KF and almost 8x more 13900K than KF

>>92420766
>Only if you leave timings on XMP + Auto. With tuned timings the difference will be minimal.
>But spondermon is the most extreme example. Yes.
if it doesnt scale with bandwidth and only latency how come ddr4 underperforms even with better/matched latency to ddr5?
have not seen anyone compare 8000mhz ddr5 compared to slower ddr5 with tuned timings yet either

so who tested this?

>>92423575
my dad also works at nintendo but i believe you anon because i kept screening an aggregate site of retailers to track their stock for at least a month

>>92423471
are there any significant differences? because they are almost the same price anyway.
Also is it worth to spend 50€ more for an i5 12400f and mb?

>>92423575
cut my reply short: HOWEVER this isnt true for budget cpus like the 12400f vs 12400 (which makes sense because poor people pinchin pennies while ppl who buy more expensive cpus wouldnt)

>>92423183
It's a garbage card. Current gen pricing is fucked. Return it and buy a used last gen card for half the price that's only 6 mo the old.

>>92423725
>half the price
oh you poor deluded child, where do u live where u can get previous gen cards for half price?

>>92423183
fine
not getting any better for that price

Finally pulled the plug and I am getting a 13400f + 3070, and not the 5600G + 6700XT. Now I can finally go to bed until tomorrow when I will start to doubt my choice and overthink again

>>92422129
Full tower usually has more rear slots than ATX motherboard can fit, to use with internal to external cable adapters (sata to esata etc)

>>92422397
>>92422426
>Nvidia is behind it
>AMD is behind it
Is it both? Which is it. I just need to upgrade soon bros. I don't want to get some meme card

>>92423801
Man, I would have never ever picked that combo.

>>92423801
>5600G
is that a typo? surely u meant 5600x right?
also whats stopping you from getting 13400f + 6700xt? that would be the best combo really

>>92423817
Embrace third option

>>92423839
Intel?

>>92423623
A520 has the worst IO ( less m.2, USBs etc) and bad VRM, you can't OC.
12400f with B660 for only 50€ more? Or are you thinking about H610?

>>92423839
go away intel shill, nobody is buying ur 770 until u lower the price to 99$

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Why didn't they make the connectors parallel to the board? Now you need a case with a lot of space in the back because of the legth of the plug and the cable before it bends down. It would've been such a good idea together with that Corsair PSU that has modular connectors on the side instead of the front.

>>92423825
STOP

>>92423833
I meant the 5600X, but I read too much about iGPUs that I Freudianed

>>92423817
They are not both behind it. If you believe AMD is behind it you have to believe that they are able to manipulate media and game devs into making games that need unlimited VRAM. Surely, that can't be possible, but why does this remind me of 9/11? Oh no, oh no, AMD is behind it after

Ocams razor: Nvidia is just trying to make GPUs that will need to be swapped sooner

>>92423844
yes H610 the B660 is another 20 extra

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>>92423891
>STOP
Don't let my words discourage you. It's your money, so who am I to judge wasteful spending? I'm sure you'll have many happy months with your new hardware.

>>92423868
current mobo desig is completely fucked from what i tried so far, its like these guys actually never put their mobos into actual builds, like theres still boards that put the sata connectors on bottom rather than right side, absolute retardation

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>>92423839
Fuck yeah

>>92422158
12700kf 230$+z690i 159$+32gb ddr5 is all you need for substantially better perf
all budgetfags cpus are doa, 12400 doa, 12100 doa, 5600 doa
the 12700kf is now 230$ I REPEAT the 12700kf is 230$ budgetfag cpus DOA
THIS OBSOLETES ALL CPUS below 7800x3d/13900k
>>92422460
>enermax
enjoy your clogged AYy-Eye-Ohh
>>92422618
if you didnt know the entire 4000 series except the 4090 were doa Idk what to say
>>92422887
>paying above 190usd for 1440p144hz IPS budget tier monitors
really?
>>92423127
>not having spare gpus
ngmi
>>92423155
people shill for KF skus all the time and I call them retarded, but only for streaming or higher end cpus like 13900k, you have to be a legit tard to buy the KF in that case
but look at me now, im shilling a kf after all!
>>92423249
>accelerates encoding and workflow
>can be used for quicksync streaming
>can use as video output
>plays tarkov at 60fps at 720p
>next gen will have av1 encoding
intel has the best igpu, you niggas smokin crack
now amd igpu thats useless shit
>>92423436
avoid 5600 buy 12700kf
>>92423801
you will buy a 12700kf
>>92423833
5600x are obsolete a 12700kf is 230$

>>92423919
>no drivers
based and self compiler pilled

>>92423833
what stopped me was that this is my first PC and I am scared of putting it together myself so I ordered from a place where I could pick some parts, but not all parts can be combined in their web thing. Due to a sale the price difference between the two options werent big

>>92423916
ANON NO. I liked it better when you typed stuff like
>be yourself

>>92423928
do you get ten cents every time you mention 12700kf

>>92423928
do you dream of 12700kfs while you sleep

>>92423928
Dude 12700kf cant even run Total War 3 Kangz

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>>92423928
>5600x are obsolete a 12700kf is 230$
stop lying to me

Why cant the numbers on CPUs make any sense? Higher number should be better. Keep it simple

>>92424025
Dont listen to him and just let him rant. He will tire out soon

>>92423919
no nvidia or amd can claim for first 5.0 gpu title

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>>92423891
>manipulate media and game devs into making games that need unlimited VRAM
It's just technologically bereft AMD sponsored console ports. The only media meming about VRAM are the drone outlets like HWUB

>Ocams razor:
If you have to guess between incompetence and malice, incompetence is the much more likely genesis. The real Occam's Razor is that devs that don't get Nvidia's help (in the recent cases of REm4ke and TLoU) are simply too incompetent to port to PC. Keep in mind that the company that helped with the TLoU port is the same one that ported Batman Arkham Knight, which of course was so bad that Warner Brothers had to withdraw it from sale

>>92423891
>>92422618
>rumors about 4060 and 4050 are anywher close t otrue
>Nvidia is just trying to make GPUs that will need to be swapped sooner
What you don't understand is that the competing Radeon GPUs are also rumored to have 8GB, and that the lowest tier Radeon GPUs have much worse VRAM troubles than Geforce GPUs.

>>92423801
>Finally pulled the plug
You were on life support?

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>>92423963
>do you get ten cents every time you mention 12700kf
waiting for a better cpu buy
>>92424019
sure it can
>>92424025
it's only for americans, in eu prices are terrible comparatively

>>92424158
if you made this meme purely to keep shilling the 12700kf in this general you seriously need to consult psychological help

I have 3 sata drives, 1 M.2 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 drive and 3060. Can i add second M.2 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 to b550 motherboard.

>>92424145
>What you don't understand is that the competing Radeon GPUs are also rumored
Interesting, but time will tell.

>guess between incompetence and malice
Yeah, I agree with that, but that can't rule Nvidias greed out. My point was refering to the other anon with his big AMD conspiracy.

>You were on life support?
Isnt it obvious I am braindead?

>>92424158
That is great OC anon, kek

>>92424145
I feel like I've seen a shit ton of these graphs where a AMD card with 20 gorillion GB of VRAM is on part with some 3070 with only 8. I don't understand, I thought more VRAM was better

>>92424267
Obviously VRAM isnt everything and it will never be the sole factor in what makes a good GPU. What is happening now is some goyslop games and shit remakes are eating up more VRAM than usual and that is causing people who play those type of games to panic. Humans want to futureproof and it is hard to not think longterm

>>92423746
Chiraq, it's not hard. Just keep an eye on ebay listings.

https://www.techpowerup.com/306589/cd-projekt-red-and-nvidia-talk-about-upcoming-cyberpunk-2077-path-tracing

amd meme ends soon

>>92423928
Holy shit a 12700kf flew over my house

What are some good sources for information and thoughts on builds? There are so many channels on youtube, but who are actually not retarded? Linus, HardWare Unboxed, JayzTwoCents, PC Builder, Gamers Nexus are just a few names I can recall

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>>92424158
13600K isn't that much more expensive and it's a better gaming CPU. Maybe the platform costs a bit more but if you're buying something better than the midrange 5600 for like $130, may as well get something decent

>>92423183
Decent

>>92423118
They're worth $20, but not at the expense of a worse CPU like the 5600G vs 5600 non-G. The 13600K is only like $5 more than the 13600KF, so it's a no brainer.

>>92422887
Samsung Odyssey G6 / G7
The G273QF is a pretty low tier monitor. Feels bad to pay 300 bongs for it

>>92422830
>AMD is selling their last gen cards by the warehouse
No.

>>92422808
>So can I undervolt it to run stable or not?
Yes, just have to test extremely thoroughly for stability if you're using it for work.

>>92424408
gamersnexus for components
hwunboxed for monitors

>>92424372
>It is worth to note that Path Tracing will be introduced to the game as a "technology preview," Jakub notes, as the developer is implementing this technology with NVIDIA and it is still a work in progress.

>While he was keen to note that you will need "a very high-end hardware to run it, he also calls it "hardware agnostic," suggesting it is not hardware limited, meaning you will be able to test it out on any "brand of the card you have," so it will work on NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel as well. Of course, since CD Projekt RED worked so closely with NVIDIA on this one, we suspect the GeForce RTX 40 series, specifically the RTX 4090, is the way to go.

>Pawel also adds that you will definitely need the GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs in order to use it, mainly, as he says, because they are the most powerful, and they support DLSS 3 with Frame Generation

>While Jakub suggested that you will need very high-end hardware for the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077 Path Tracing technical preview, Pawel also adds that NVIDIA is aiming for a good experience on 40 series GPUs, so it is left to be seen what kind of frame rates will we see from the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti.

lol lmao even

>>92424421
i haven't seen a monitor review from hub in recent memory

>Denuvo killing your fps?
>Just use dlss looooooooool

>>92422090
The pc and games market is garbage right now

>>92424417
>13600K isn't that much more expensive and it's a better gaming CPU. Maybe the platform costs a bit more but if you're buying something better than the midrange 5600 for like $130, may as well get something decent
a cheaper 12700kf for 8p cores and a lil loving and it will be +/-0%
you cant possibly shill for the 13600k at that price
they are both the same platform
>>92424195
name a better cpu for the price, I'm waiting *cricket noises*
>>92424468
*stutters* thanks capcum

>>92424408
Framechasers

>>92424460
there's not a lot of gaming monitors worth reviewing
but they have a healthy percentage of those worth considering at any given point
between hwunboxed, rtings and pcmonitors.info, you should be covered very well

>>92424533
lol

>>92424460
https://pcmonitors.info/recommendations/ used to be in the OP

>>92424514
>name a better cpu for the price, I'm waiting *cricket noises*
counter point is that the 12400f is 75$ cheaper, but is it also 75$ worse for gaming? i think not...

>>92424439
>hardware agnostic
Yeah, sure. It'll just take an RTX 4000 with DLSS 3 to reach double-digit framerates.

>tfw too scared to run TLOU1

>>92424587
>playing le movie game
just watch a youtube video bro, literally same experience

how much of an improvement is the 12700kf over a 5600x

>>92424587
It is not worth it. Played it back on the PS3. Overhyped really. Not a bad game, just nothing special

>>92422484
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/zP6Kv3
Still needs a case

>>92422310
>40FPS with nothing on screen
But hey, at least you have VRAM, right?

>>92422158
5600 non-G non-X and a cheaper 6700 XT
Monitor needs to be good; likely what he has is garbage

>>92422289
>Why does this one have so much more vram
It's a marketing ploy. AMDrones see big number they buy

>>92424606
at this point its the best realistic hardware benchmark we got

>>92424587
Your computer can’t run YouTube?

>>92424623
>best realistic hardware benchmark
Unoptimized shit? That is a low bar

why does my game slow down when i have a 4k60 youtube video running on the second monitor

that shit is supposed to be the workload that an igpu could handle

>>92424421
>>92424460
hub's monitor reviews are on monitors unboxed
https://www.youtube.com/@monitorsunboxed

>>92424623
Might aswell test shit in re4 remake demo, if it's still available, 'tleast it's f r e e and like 10 gigs.

>>92424564
it is, you can fully oc and tune the 12700kf to the limit both cpu and ram
it's alot worse actually, a 12400f is pretty much a 12100f in perf
and not evne that can match the priceperf to 12700kf now

>>92424658
what the fuck. they really need to shill that stuff on the main channel like when they do their monthly q and as

>>92424439
>>92424576
Will it be like Portal RTX, where it's "hardware agnostic" but in reality doesn't really use RT hardware in AMD and Intel?

>>92424468
>cpu bottleneck in witcher 3 update because of lazy dx12 implementation?
>just turn on frame gen!

>>92424687
Probably can't be that bad since they're talking about a specific ray-tracing feature. But you can be sure that if you disable DLSS frame generation, your framerate will tank, and if you switch to an AMD with equivalent settings, your framerate will tank even further.

>all this about having enough vram or not
My personal anecdote is never skimp on VRAM. Back in 2012 i remember going with a 2gb card instead of a 4 gb card and i was literally hitting my vram limit within the year. Never doing that shit again

>>92424676
yeah they very rarely mention it, the only reason found it the first time is because I randomly scrolled all the way down hub's channel page

>>92424654
a) You're decoding the video with the CPU
b) The video decoder on your GPU is holding the "main" parts of the chip back somehow (clock synchronization? VRAM?)
Probably A.

>>92424639
>tlou1 currently being the worst optimized piece of shit of pc gaming
im inclined to believe this after having seen the steam page
>>92424672
>you can fully oc
we both know that this gen isnt offering much oc potential while already running on dangerously high voltages, you also need an expensive mobo cooling and psu to pull this off while not really getting a lot more frames than a 12100f on a budget mobo with much lower voltages, so my question is, is it really worth it? i remain unconvinced

>>92424616
>>It's a marketing ploy. AMDrones see big number they buy
I thought that was universally agreed upon but lately I've been seeing people swear by their AMD gpus. Can't tell who's trolling who

>>92424654
You might hit power limit, check power draw for 4K playback on your GPU. But how much slow down are we talking about here and what class of the GPU do you have?

>>92424775
it drops like 90fps to 70fps. gpu is a 3070

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>>92424587
it just works on Ryzen+RDNA2 which is PS5 hardware too.

>>92424616
>But hey, at least you have VRAM, right?
Nvidia cant run this game due to running out of memory

>>92424855
>beard is so detailed every single hair needs 1mb of vram
nvidiacucks will never experience these marvels of technology

>>92424417
>GPU stand for $14
I paid $12 for two, wtf is happening in America?

>thinking about taking the dolby atmos pill
>see this list https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Dolby_Atmos

man, I dunno if it's worth blowing like $600 on speakers alone for a list like this is worth it
it doesn't seem exhaustive because I know returnal supports dolby atmos supports it but it's not on this list but still, I doubt the exhaustive list is significantly bigger

You know i didnt even know Sony was releasing TLOU on PC. What is going on with consoles releasing all their first party games on PC? Are first party games finally dying out (except nintendo)?

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>>92424267
VRAM != performance. The GPU core is what provides performance. It's quite obvious that an 8GB R9 390 can't even play games at 1080p Low with a reasonable framerate anymore. This is because VRAM != performance.

>>92424302
>eating up more VRAM than usual
True, but they're getting eaten by Steam reviews as well. Hopefully this is a hiccup less severe than the shader compilation issues that have been plaguing PC games, which devs seem to be learning to avoid. Regardless of poor optimization, usually following an optimized settings guide (like for DF's for REm4ke) will sort out the problems.

>>92424372
I'm really curious about how good it will look and how well it will run. Seems to me that rasterization is a dead end, in that it's becoming both too resource intensive and too cumbersome to use, e.g., having a high number of shadow casting lights is computationally prohibitive under the raster paradigm as I understand it.

I'm more interested performance and image quality comparisons between hardware Lumen, RTX SDKs, and other techniques; particularly I want to see NPCs casting RT shadows etc

Do you guys do mic recommendations? I just wanna use it for talking with friends over discord while playing games and stuff. I keep seeing a lot of those "gaming" desk microphones and I don't know if I'd like those, and was looking more into a lavalier/clip on microphone.

>>92423917
Why the fuck are front panel connectors at the bottom of mobos???

>>92424911
pc game sales are strong now and sony realized they can make an assload money selling games they made years ago on pc since the overlap is small and some people will double dip anyway

>>92424919
>VRAM != performance
can you stop copy pasting this bullshit in every thread
we all know how ram works, how storage works, its fine until you run out of storage, ram is no different, and people have been running out of vram with only 8gb, so you can shut up now

>>92424775
I've tried my hypothesis on my shit gpu. And it game me results I expected.
I've lost around 15% of FPS while video playback was enabled, rising power limit clawed some performance back.
Stock settings?
Try increasing power limit in MSI afterburner or undervolting the GPU.
I

>>92424933
I use a jb talk go for everything and people say it sounds fine

>>92424797
>>92424996
Replied to wrong post.

>>92424911
>What is going on with consoles releasing all their first party games on PC?
It's definitely not all for Sony and those that are released, release on a delay. But yeah, Sony wants to cash on the console market and on the PC market.

>>92424158
not spending $60 more for a 13600k makes you a literal retard

>>92424756
nobody is forcing you to run unsafe voltages
an oc'd 12600k is like 5800x3d perf and that is what you get with a tuned 12700k and even better with the pcores and cache
30-60% perf over a 12100
it's a good oc chip for cheap
you pretty much get discount best tier cpu performance currently availible for 230$

12100f/12400f compared to unlocked i5/i7/i9 is not at all comparable in fps, starved in clocks and cache too

only thing compared is the x3d, 13900k and other i5i7i9s again

but you all have been informed

>>92424247
>That is great OC anon, kek
forgot the x3d though

>>92422090
what does /pcbg/ think about 3060 ti for poorfag VR

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>>92424439
It probably requires SER to make it remotely playable, and I don't think Radeon and Intel even have a SER equivalent, and even if they did, C2077's implementation is probably optimized for Nvidia. Having said that, you'd have to be an idiot to buy Radeon if you're even thinking about flipping the RT toggle.

>>92424514
13600K has more cache and iGP for like another $75. If you want to tweak the 12700KF, maybe you can get it close, but the power consumption will be a lot higher and muh cores isn't an argument for gaming

>>92424587
Pirate, mess with it. Or use RPS3 to emulate the original where Ellie was still cute

>>92424611
Substantial in some cases, but personally I don't think it's worth upgrading for general gaming if you already have the 5600X, unless you're running an overpowered GPU for your res or you're mostly multiplayer gaming. You're more likely to be GPU limited

>>92424654
Could be that the browser is fighting for refresh rate control. Also if the video is being decoded on CPU, you could get stutters or decreased framerate

Canuck here. Had a brief thought about upgrading from the RTX 2060 (6GB, non super version and had it for about 2-3 years now), but Nvidia is being a bit jewy especially from what I've heard is going on with the RTX 4060 models.
Would something like the RX 6700 XT be a decent step up? I mostly game at 1440p with higher framerates with DLSS/FSR/Lossless Scaling, and I feel like my current GPU is starting to show its age somewhat in games like Dying Light 2/Halo Infinite. Or is it better to wait and see how the 7000 series GPUs performs in the summer? Because the RX 6700 doesn't seem too bad for $519 Canadian on Newegg...

>>92425070
>it's a good oc chip for cheap
sure but my point is more like, that between your 12700 setup and the 12100 setup is almost a 200$ difference if u factor in all costs, which when playing on 4k would be better invested into a better gpu tier since that would be the bottleneck there
so unless you already own a 4090 that might get bottlenecked by the 12100 on lower resolutions that money is better spent elsewhere

absolutely stupid brain dead question here but is one of those crypto mining GPU risers functionally the same as a external GPU enclosure but less pretty?

Was thinking of giving my old GPU to my brother who mainly uses laptops. Or is external GPU gaming substantially awful?

>>92425152
If your idea of an external GPU enclosure is "GPU but futher away", yes.

>>92425068
costs more for essentially the same perf + -2 p core
this is assuming you are gonna oc though
13600k has more cache but sure
no, 12700kf is really good, still
>>92425103
>for like another $75
and it still cant be beat, its good
peoples copes so far "spend more" for the same perf in another sku that is essentially the same
>>92425123
dont care, just buy the 12700kf the value beats everything still
nobody running 4k should realistically be running a 12100 either

does anyone here actually use their pc as a space heater

obviously it’s inferior to a real space heater but i wonder if it could still suffice given a powerful enough gpu and cpu

>>92425093
Depends on the headset you are going to use

>>92425193
>obody running 4k should realistically be running a 12100 either
why not, from what i saw its literally not until the 4070 that this cpu would start bottlenecking

>>92425210
Index
I have owned HL Alyx for like 3 years despite only having a dell business laptop. 1080p is an upgrade from my 1366x768 gmod machine
12gb 3060ti model btw

>>92425233
It'll be fine, but don't expect stable 144 fps in all games
>12gb 3060ti model btw
Wat

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whats the point in upgrading? everything runs just fine on my 1060 6gb

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>>92424855
>Nvidia cant run this game due to running out of memory
That's just false. Obviously if the game is running far below 60FPS, and you've posted screens of it running at 40, you'll be using DLSS if you're not too poor to have it

>>92424873
The game is actually pretty ugly except in cutscenes. The lighting is especially bad, as are animations outside of cutscenes

>>92424981
You seem to regularly forget this fact. Are you the guy playing TLoU at 40FPS while coping with the thought that he has 16GB VRAM?

>>92425292
buy new product and consoom goy

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>>92425113
At least waitTM for the 4070 launch next month. 6700 XT tier perf is significant over a 2060 6GB, but for 1440p I would say that a 6700 XT tier perf is kind of weak. You'll be immediately turning down settings in the latest games to get a playable framerate, which feels bad on a new GPU purchase

My budget is around $600 and my system is
Ryzen 5 2600x + Geforce 3060

What should I get for an upgrade?

>>92425113
If you are looking at MSI MECH 2X OC 6700XT then check the reviews if you accept the performance of the cooler. 6700XTs with only 2 fans are rather loud and hot.
But in terms of the performance it's great give the price.
7800XT isn't even on the horizon and it's successor of 6700XT because AyMD took note from nV about misleading GPU names.
4060Ti is going to launch by the end of May if leaks are true.
4070 is only 2 weeks away.
But those GPUs will cost far more.

>>92425323
Drop in a 5600, then wait for the RTX 50 series in two years

>>92425208
A regular PC would cap out at about 400W. A super powerful one maybe 700W (4090+13900K). Actual space heaters are around 1500W (120V) to 2000W (220V). It's not a terrible idea if you a) would be using electric resistive heating anyway and b) can make use of the computation in some way (work, mining, folding, etc.). I have a 300W heated airer in my room and it's just enough to keep me from needing "regular" heat in March and April.

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>>92425293
no, im the guy who thinks that one day u will remove all vram and ram from your system and just use one giant pagefile to prove your point because RAM != performance

>>92425292
play stupid games, demand stupid hardware

>>92425272
nvm it was a base 3060 model with the 12gb vram. 3060 tis all have 8gb

>>92425350
Jokes on you, by then I'll have 16GB of on chip cache for both CPU and GPU with 4TB of integrated NAND storage

>>92425292
>6gb
stfu

>>92423917
>>92424965
Sata at the bottom is fine, since most cases these days have drive bays in the basement, but front panel, audio and usb should be top right

>>92425350
Optane is already faster than ddr2 iirc.

>>92425426
RiP Optane.

>>92425347
Does Gen4 x4 NVME and DDR5 worth the hassle? I don't know if getting a 5800x3D and being stuck on AM4 for another 3 years would be a good idea.

>>92425292
When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to have less than 16gb vram

>>92425426
werent those drives prohibitively expensive

>>92425439
S-someone will buy the IP for 3D Xpoint and bring it back with modern controllers and manage to make it economically feasible, r-right?

>>92425493
damn...

>>92425446
>Does Gen4 x4 NVME and DDR5
not until u maxed out all other components
ram and drive speeds will literally yield the smallest gains in frames

>>92424616
thank you for the build anon!
just a question about the cpu,
you chose an AMD Ryzen 5 5600, but another anon chose an Intel Core i7-13700K (https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NxMXDq)
now, your build is very affordable, but what's the difference prestationwise?

>>92425392
>512 mb l3 cache
>16 gb of on-die HBM
>4tb of nand connected through cxl

>>92425446
Depends on what you're using the system for. Considering the GPU is pretty weak, if you're just gaming, the 5600 is a welcome cheap upgrade (as you can just update your BIOS and drop it in), but spending more on CPU would be an imbalance in a lot of cases. Depends on the games you're playing if you're gaming. Same with a Gen4 NVMe drive: you can buy one for your current system even though it's only Gen3 (as you wouldn't buy a Gen3 drive at this point), but no real reason to get a new SSD if you already have one, unless of course you're out of storage or you need a scratch disk.

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>>92423311
I don't play in 4K, don't care. Even at 4K, the 4070ti is still a better overall package than the 6950XT/7900XT.

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>>92425293
>you'll be using DLSS if you're not too poor to have it
DLSS IS for poor people. It's for a bunch of weak graphics cards that need that extra performance. WHO THE FUCK would turn on DLSS if they have a 4090? It makes no sense, you don't need DLSS turned on, because the performance without it is already good. WHY THE FUCK would I choose WORSE graphical quality on my 1000+ dollar 4080/4090? NO it does NOT improve image quality, it makes it noticeably worse. I've seen DLSS, I've used it in real life, that shit was unusable in Warzone. The ghosting was too much. DLSS, FSR, it's all garbage technology. This is no different than your PhysXs, your GameWorks, your TressFXs, basically all "features" meant to sell graphics cards. The ONLY thing you should ever base your purchase on is raw rasterization performance.

>>92425625
coping

Why is the 4090 always out of stock? Who is buying these things? Practically no one has one—the steam hardware surveys show less than 1% of its users own one. That practically able to be written off as a margin error. Where are the 4090s?

>>92425625
>Even at 4K, the 4070ti is still a better overall package than the 6950XT/7900XT
t. it was revealed to me in a dream

>>92425648
prompting

Is GGDR6X like triple the price of GDDR6 or something? Why are Nvidia being such jews

>>92425648
I'm using them to make AI shitposters

>>92425648
>Who is buying these things?
theyre undershipping. blame nintendo for teaching this kind of jewry to everyone else int he industry

>>92425648
4090s are laying on the shelves.
t. youropoor

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>>92425638
>>92425658
It's not a cope. It simply is the truth. DLSS 3 is superior. The card is cheaper than the 7900XT. The 6950XT and the 7900XT both have shit support for rendering and I'd rather not spend 4-6X the amount of time on a scene.

Let me know when AMD cards haver good support for literally any rendering engine.

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I'm sure that usually, a 3 fan variant of a graphic card will run cooler and quieter than a 2 fan variant. However, what if I have a compact mATX case in which a 3 fan card will only be an inch away from the front wall and case fans? In this case, should I get a 2 fan card so as not to obstruct the airflow going above and below the gpu?

>>92425719
how much are you getting paid? i need a new job

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/boundary-will-no-longer-feature-ray-tracing-ditches-dlss-over-fsr-xess/

amdbros explain yourselves

>>92425627
>This is no different than your PhysXs, your GameWorks, your TressFXs, basically all "features" meant to sell graphics cards.
In fairness, it's not really the case since you can eek out better performance from them instead of taking a performance hit, and you could just leave it off or choose to turn it on the moment games get too demanding too run on higher resolutions years down the road.

>>92425744
I'm about to make 6000 dollars with my 4070ti once I finish up a project.

>>92425781
Noooooo, that's not what I meant

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>>92425788
Then what?

>>92425780
why would you turn on dlss instead of just lowering graphics settings is beyond me
the only realistic use case of dlss i can see is if people bought a cheap graphics card to play on a 4k screen, which is probably exactly what nvidia had in mind with it

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>>92425719
>nvidia sponsoring game and engine devs to optimize for their cards and doing shit like gameworks
>games run badly on amd cards
>less people buy amd cards
>game devs have even less of incentive to optimize for amd
>even less people buy amd cards
>100% market share achieved, time to release $600 5050

>>92424919
>VRAM != performance.
You're only half right. The actual answer is that cores are for average FPS, and VRAM is for 1% lows (in situations where it becomes limiting). No amount of cores is going to save a card that runs out of VRAM. An 8GB 4090 would perform about as badly as all those 3070 Ti's are performing now.

When a card runs out of cores, the framerate drops, but does so in a rather smooth and predictable way. You walk around at 90 FPS, some action starts and there's particle effects and your FPS drops into the 70's. The action ends and your FPS is back at 90.

In contrast, when a card runs out of VRAM the result is a horrific drop in performance, and even worse the drop in performance doesn't have to correspond to any actual action happening in the game. You walk around at 90 FPS, all of a sudden FPS drops into the 40's for no obvious reason, you stop walking around and the FPS is still in the 40's. Then, for no reason at all, you're back at 90 FPS. The reason for this is because asset loading doesn't actually happen based on what's happening on screen, but rather based on what the engine thinks should be loaded into VRAM at that moment, which could be something as unnecessary as a texture for a room that you aren't in.

Running out of cores can be handled because the player can anticipate the result. The drop is predicable and relatively minor. Running out of VRAM is catastrophic and can crash the game.

This is why having more than enough VRAM is totally necessary. IF your card have 10k cores and the game needs 12k for a scene, that sucks but your framerate only drops 20%. If your card has 8 GB of VRAM and the game needs 11 GB, that's terrible and you're looking at 50% or more drops, stutters and crashes.

>>92425871
He is implying you are nV shill, faggot.

>>92425568
The i7 is a lot stronger for any type of workload. Really depends on what you're doing with the system, but assuming it's solely a gaming build and you're playing random games (everything from indie to AAA to multiplayer), the 3060 is a midrange GPU for 1080p so no real reason to spend a whole lot on CPU because you'll be GPU limited most of the time. Having said that if you have some specific secondary purpose like video editing, or you're mostly going to be playing multiplayer games, a 13600K or 13700K could be warranted.

>>92425736
>I'm sure that usually, a 3 fan variant of a graphic card will run cooler and quieter than a 2 fan variant
not entirely true once powered on and gaming 3 fans will have more noise and possibility of coil whine at an extra 30% rate over a 2 fan variant
a powerful 2 fan card like 6800xt or 3070 will only turn on its fans under ultra-settings gaming of AA titles you can play many games without fans even spinning up at this point
>should I get a 2 fan card so as not to obstruct the airflow going above and below the gpu?
probably a 1fan if possible but 2 fans are currently bulky as well

>>92425627
>NO it does NOT improve image quality, it makes it noticeably worse
Depends on implementation. Modded in DLSS is better than the developers default presentation in REm4ke.
https://youtu.be/wPeC7QiG6Ig

>that shit was unusable in Warzone
Maybe an older version wasn't good enough for a semi-competitive game where enemies can be small and you need precision, but I would think that swapping the DLSS DLL for a newer version would give you good enough motion clarity (not sure about ban risks though)

>WHO THE FUCK would turn on DLSS if they have a 4090?
Again, this is a situation where anon is playing the game at 40FPS while meming about how good his VRAM is. As someone who regularly uses DLSS, I can tell you that I'd much rather use DLSS than play at 40FPS (or even 60 or 70FPS) in most games. Most of the time, DLSS is as good or better than full res. I can only think of one game that I've played where the DLSS implementation had a noticeable problem, and that was that newer VTMB adventure RPG, where some textures had moire artifacts because of, again, a poor implementation.

>raw rasterization performance
I would agree with raw performance (though could be RT perf), as DLSS should be a tech used to give your graphics card legs. For example if you bought the 3080 for 4K two years ago, you can keep using it at 4K in today's games with DLSS instead of having to go out and buy a 4090. If money is no object, sure, buy the latest and greatest, but most people want to at least feel like they're getting value out of their purchases.

>>92425880
we already saw something like this many years ago when the 970 "4gb" only shipped with 3.5 + 0.5 gb ram
once the card ran out and had to access the 0.5 partition which was on a much slower bus the results were very similar

>>92425736
The answer is always to just build a full ATX rig. mATX cases aren't even that much smaller but the size and compatibilty bullshit is just non stop.

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it's not about the case temps. it's about sending a message.

>>92425493
I...can't refute this...

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>>92426034
And what message is that?
Because this GPU screams
>I can't breathe!

>>92426034
I was so focused on the huge GPU that it took me like a minute to notice the fans.

>>92425493
Thanks Tom

>>92425873
amd literally only exists so nvidia doesnt get hit by monopoly regulations
jensen could crush amd anytime he wanted

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>>92425873
I am not saying Nvidia's business practices are good. For my use case, $750 investment that helps me make money with freelance work is honestly not that bad.

Nobody likes spending more money when they can spend less, given that the other tool performs the same. Why would I spend 800 on a 7900XT just to be stuck rendering a scene for 6 minutes when I can literally cut the time down by 2/3rds for 750?
>>92425900
The only jewish thing about me is that I like making money.

I would sell out to whoever enables me to do this in the fastest and most efficient manner.

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>>92425872
Because DLSS looks way better than lowering settings, numbnuts. Sure you can optimize some of the low handing fruit, but Ultra + DLSS always looks better than Medium

>>92425873
>games run badly on amd cards
Recent Nvidia sponsored games have run well on all vendor's cards (e.g., Cyberpunk). Yes, Radeon sucks at RT, which is the unfortunate fact of the matter and not a matter of optimization or favoritism, but the same still runs great on Radeon, all things considered. Radeon really needs to catch up with RT perf because in a few years, games are going to be designed around path tracing. Consoles will either get updated to poorly performing path tracing hardware or console gamers will be forced to get cloud subscriptions

>>92425880
>perform about as badly as all those 3070 Ti's are performing now.
They're not performing badly. They provide decent provide 1080p performance (again, the performance I'm talking about is related to the core; they're too weak for 1440p in many new games regardless of VRAM), and the 8GB buffer is fine for that level of performance. 4K textures are pointless at 1080p.

>The drop is predicable and relatively minor.
Constant 40FPS is not minor. The cards that were recommended for 4K only two years ago, like the 3080 (and by idiots, the 6800 XT), are too weak to provide good performance at 4K at this point without DLSS or some other upsampling technology. This is my point: before VRAM ever becomes a real problem, the performance of the core will limit performance to an unacceptable level, or at least a level far below what the card was originally bought for

>>92426144
You kid but this is exactly the legal relationshop between Intel and AMD. Intel *gave* them the x86 license to avoid trustbusting and years later loaned AMD money when they were on one of their bad legs and it was clear VIA was leaving the market. Really weird how that turned out.

The AMD-Intel relationship is the reverse. Jensen left ATi when they passed him over for a promotion and now runs the GPU world, with his former employer struggling to keep up. Imagine a future where Jensen is the head of Radeon and Nvidia is owned by Intel for their iGPU IP.

>>92425925
thanks for the clarification dud

>>92426249
Imagine a timeline where Lisa is the head of CPUs at AMD and Jensen the head of GPUs, a family business

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About to run out of nvme space again
should I wait for gen 5 drives, or just get another gen4?

>>92426297
How much space and what are you even storing on it?

>>92426297
gen5 nvmes are a meme right now so no, you won't notice the difference in speed

>>92426297
Wait for gen 5 drives that max out the interface and raid 0 four of them, or you're poor

>>92426190
>Because DLSS looks way better
not to me, but i also dont use aa, i prefer the rustic pixel edges over this blurry nu gaymer shit thank you

>>92426297
Why bother waiting considering you're using the phrase "run out of NVMe space again", meaning that you're gonna keep running out of space far into the future.

>>92426190
>Ultra + DLSS always looks better than Medium
This is true and only blind people can think otherwise

>They're not performing badly.
They are performing badly *at particular settings* yes.The 3070 Ti performs about like a 2080 Ti in other games, and that includes a lot of very solid 4K gaming. People are totally excused for thinking that they should be able to do 4k on the 3070 Ti with a few settings turned down + DLSS.That is obviously not true and it's not just one game that has shown that. OTOH, a 3070 12 GB might be able to avoid *some* of these issues even though it's clearly marketed as an inferior card.

>hard drive clicking intensifies
this is triggering the fuck out of my autism, I'm never putting a hard drive in any system that's going to be next to me ever again

>>92425208
It's pretty loud when compared to the heat you get

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>>92426297
Do what this Anon >>92426322 said.

>>92426306
4.5tb
data for my job, ai models, snapshots because I break my system on a near daily basis
>>92426327
I'm running out of pcie lanes

>>92425208
No, but I use my UPS as a foot warmer.

>>92426379
>I'm running out of pcie lanes
Guess it's time to upgrade your system then.

>>92426297
>run out of space
>asking for nextgen which doesn't provide moarspace
Just buy a hdd for fuck's sake. You don't move shit around every day, do you?

>>92426355
Only bit kloptos care about keeping data forever. This guy experienced the fast lane like few others did. The data loss was worth it and I'd do it again in an instant.

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>>92425212
doesnt that card choke on 4k? aka cant even run 4k
running 4k implies you can afford a 4090
having a 4090 means you are are not poor enough to buy a 12100 to begin with
and why not run a 12100? 1% lows, higher fps, upsampling, rtx
all effected by cpu
you COULD but SHOULD you?
it's a good meme I would rather have a 12100+4090 than the opposite of this. 1.6k cpu and 99 dollar gpu....
>>92425292
there isnt if (You) are happy
>>92425323
x3d and save for new gpu later
>>92425493
*raytraced
>>92425625
is it the 4070ti or the 4070 thats gonna choke cocks in 4k?
>>92425648
its the only good card
all other slopcards are in giant fucking stock at the retailers, its funny
nobody buying overpriced slop except TheBest(tm)
as they should
>>92426297
remember when I shilled for 4TB nvme? I remember

>>92426379
>has a job where data integrity is important
>breaks his system daily
>job pays money(?)
>can't afford TR
>job won't comp it(?)
you're unemployed aren't you

>>92426398
>You don't move shit around every day, do you?
yes
>>92426414
>remember when I shilled for 4TB nvme? I remember
you win, fine
>>92426444
it's contract work for my old grad school lab

>>92426414
>doesnt that card choke on 4k?
that depends entirely on what youre running on 4k, for the newest shiniest games with next level graphics you will want a 4090 of course
the 12100 + 4090 is just an example to highlight where your money should go if youre on a limited budget, nothing more

>>92426444
>>job won't comp it(?)
Offtopic but holy fucking shit can job purchases suck. I've been waiting for like a month to get a 65€ monitor arm part ordered since they changed the policy and basically no one has any idea of how anything works.

Im willing to bet the average Nvidia enthusiast could beat up the average AMD enthusiast.
>inb4 intel
Kek

>>92426540
yea

>>92426540
>he doesn't know about my sekrit underdog moore thread guy with 99999 social credit score

>>92426540
this is like that stonetoss meme edit where amd and nvidia end up shaking hands while big chad intel comes in from behind and grabs both of their shoulders

>>92426522
>65€
Buy it yourself on a CC with 0 balance and email the CC bill to finance as an invoice. Tell them the arm is necessary for health reasons and copy HR on the email.

>>92426444
Had an offer for a sound engineering job right out of college and those faggots expected me to buy $5k worth of tools and no they werent going to comp me for it. Of course they were kind enough to sell the tools to me and pay for it off my first couple of checks. Luckily something else came along

>>92426379
I'd simply get a good gen3 (4 if price isn't THAT much higher) 4tb drive for main stuff and 1-2tb for other shit i don't move as much and be done, most modern mobos offer at least 2 slots, worstcase that 1-2tb will be a sata ssd if 1 slot only. Sucks for already existing drives, but if you can be bothered you can sell them.

>>92426582
Considered it but considering what a hassle it's been thus far, I imagine it's not gonna be any easier.

We got this whole external system for buying ergonomics products and when it was taken into use, it turns out that you can buy fucking jack shit with it. So the HR department has spent weeks trying to figure out how to actually use that system to buy anything useful, and I think they've now given up and are gonna do it internally somehow.

I have considered asking someone for how much this monitor arm costs and buy it from the company for myself as the easy option. At least then I could buy the fucking parts for myself.

>>92426540
I am not an enthusiast of anything, but I have mostly owned AMD hardware and here is a quick overview of my stats:
>height
197 cm/6'6"
>weight
106 kg/230 lbs
>combat sports experience
14 years Muay Thai/Dutch kickboxing
7 years kyokushin karate
been taking combat sambo classes recently

I highly doubt anybody can take me down here in hand to hand combat

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>>92424629
>>92424660
it asks for a driver update before running the game but still runs it after which makes me think something might fuck up

Is there ever a reason to use SSDs for any RAID configuration?

>>92426703
What exactly do you think will happen?
Your computer will explode?

>>92426618
yeah that'd probably be smart
going to move stuff around, maybe find a new home for the smaller drive
looks like you can get a 4tb gen3 drive for <250, that's not too bad

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>>92425962
Fixed by driver updates. People loved their 970s. The last 500GB being of a different speed was like a one off weird scenario and can't be generalized

>>92426326
>blurry
An old meme from the FXAA and early TAA days. Personally I can't stand shimmering, which was a major gripe I had with for instance 360 era games

>>92426333
>very solid 4K gaming
In any game where those cards can get playable performance at 4K, an 8GB buffer is fine. I guess it depends on what you consider playable, but for me 30FPS is completely unacceptable (because I game on a monitor), and even 60FPS is questionable. If you're running DLSS Performance (1080p base res) to play at 4K, you're still rendering at 1080p and the VRAM is rarely an issue. Still, I never and would never recommend a 3070 for 4K simply because the performance of the core is too weak in my opinion, not because of any VRAM considerations.

>>92426654
Fucking office jokey retards pulling paychecks and not doing anything useful. Many such stories.It doesn't help you now, but one of the perks of working for smaller companies is that they usually have like 1-2 professional chair sitters per 20-50 people, instead of the usual 1:5 or higher ratio found at bigger orgs. They can't hide in meetings because everyone else in the meeting needs something from them and they're more likely to just make things work even if it isn't SOP.

>>92426743
>"Fixed" by driver updates
didnt they just disable the 0.5 partition via update and then lost the lawsuit so they had to recompense people for the lower capacity?

>>92426674
>height
>5'6"
>weight
>230 lbs
>14 years watching muay thai/dutch kickboxing videos on youtube
>7 years maining Ryu in Street Fighter
Fixed that for you

>>92426743
>People loved their 970s.
My 970 is still slogging along like a champion. It's lasted me through three generations so far and if I can't get my hands on a 4090 anytime soon, then make it four.

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>>92426710
RAID5 is a kind of live backup

>>92426811
only reason nvidia didnt cut off support for the 900 series is because theres still a sizeable chunk of users according to steam that use the 900 series

>>92426811
Are 4090s still hard to get ahold of? My restock tracker goes off like 5+ times a day saying they are in stock

>>92426743
>In any game where those cards can get playable performance at 4K, an 8GB buffer is fine.
I just fired up Doom Eternal, 4K DLSS-Q and it straightaway booked 8.44GB of VRAM on level load. The cores on a 3070 Ti can easily play this game 50-80 FPS, but just a little time playing will EoM the card. That's just plain bullshit IMO. There should have been a 2X VRAM model like they did for the 3060 and even for the fucking 2060.

>>92426848
Which is why I don't quite understand who Nvidia is catering to with this absurdity. The vast majority of their consumer base simply will not buy their new GPUs at their current ridiculous price. They got way too greedy after double dipping with the miners and the artificial scarcity from 2020-2022.
>>92426859
Yep, they're a right pain in the ass to find. Motley stores don't actually listen them as in stock online and you have to visit the store person to check. I know that some larger online retailers like Amazon have 2nd party AIBs readily available for a mark up in most cases, but it's simply not worth it. The 4090FE is the best version while also costing the least.

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>>92426842
>RAID5 is a kind of live backup
This has never been true, and people have correctly been saying "RAID is not a backup" for decades for good reasons.
RAID averts data loss from single device failures. RAID does not give you the ability to recover older versions of files (as a backup would).
RAID does not prevent malicious actors from destroying or encrypting your data. Your RAID will helpfully duplicate all of those ransomware encrypted bits. A backup would have a previous version available.
RAID does not prevent loss of data from full system failure (e.g. power surge, fire, flood, etc.).

Remember the 3-2-1 Rule of Backups:
Three copies of meaningful data.
Two separate local systems or media.
One in a different location.

When you lose your data, we will look at you and say "If it wasn't backed up, it wasn't important, and RAID is not a backup."

>>92426842
RAID is not a backup. It's redundancy.

>>92426799
just know that i could easily kill you.

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>>92426936
stop complaining goy. you will buy the new 8gb card and you will be happy.

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>>92426767
I don't think that it was fully disabled (could be wrong), but yes Nvidia settled (not the same as lost) a lawsuit over the marketing of the card

>>92426936
>Doom Eternal
You need to set the cache properly. Doom Eternal runs well on 8GB cards

>>92426966
>people have correctly been saying "RAID is not a backup" for decades for good reasons.
>RAID does not give you the ability to recover older versions of files (as a backup would)
100% correct

>>92426971
Yes.

>>92426848
Also because 900 series still supports most of modern stuff used for games, except for AI and RT
700 didn't have full DX12 iirc, so they aged pretty badly

>>92426996
Good goy

>>92426936
>>92426996
Still going: RE8 is 12GB on Max just on the loading screen. The cores on a 3070 Ti can easily play this game.

>runs well on 8GB cards
"Runs well" is okay if the game is well-coded, like Doom or RE, but the fact that the card is unbalanced such that resources become exhausted (VRAM) even when other resources are well capable (cores) is a strong mark against it. No card if perfectly balanced, but the 3070 Ti is a super bad example of it. A 10 GB 3070 Ti would probably run better than an 8GB one, evenif the cores were down clocked. Hell, a 12 GB bus-gimped 3070 Ti might, too, or at least it could run something like TLOU with less stuttering and crashing.

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