>Getting StartedWant a tech job, but have no degree, skills, or experience?Read these before ruining this thread with basic questions:https://christopherming.com/tech-jobs-no-experience/https://learntocodewith.me/posts/tech-jobs-no-experience/https://www.devjobsscanner.com/blog/top-8-most-demanded-languages-in-2022/Come back once you have informed questions about interviewing, salary negotiation, etc...>Interview Prephttps://leetcode.com/study-plan/leetcode-75https://blog.interviewing.io/>Resume Stuffhttps://www.careercup.com/resume>Salary Stuff"What's your expected salary, anon?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/Negotiation advice: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-not-to-bomb-your-offer-negotiation-c46bb9bc7dea/More negotiation advice: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/Salary data: https://levels.fyi/>Responding to Recruiter SpamAdvice on how to not get your time wasted: https://pastebin.com/WX4b62Jx (embed)>Layoffshttps://layoffs.fyi/>Helpful YouTube Channelshttps://www.youtube.com/@ContinuousDeliveryhttps://www.youtube.com/@EngineeringwithUtsavhttps://www.youtube.com/@ByteByteGo (systems design at a high level)https://www.youtube.com/@gkcs (systems design in more detail)https://www.youtube.com/@ycombinator (if you're doing a startup)>/twg/ IRC Channel#/g/twg on irc.rizon.net, it's comfyWeb client: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.rizon.net/#/g/twg>Previous thread:>>92173985
1 day until monday
>>921818001 day until comfy
1 day until your job is replaced by ChatGPT
>>92181747From previous thread:>>92181291
I was contacted by ayys last week to work on coding their new hyperspace activation systems. $50k a year starting.
So are these threads always like this? Or did FUD just hit criticality because of the combination of ChatGPT + The market
>>92181927Shit kind of gets to you after a 1000+ applications, anon.
>>92181998If you get zero offers after 1000+ applications in 2023, I doubt you would have gotten offers in 2021 either
>>92181006idk i was militaryI honestly don't know how these people writing postings for Indeed think everyone is going to get TS without sponsorship
>>92181927what does FUD stand for? Fucked Up and Destroyed?
>>92182165Fear, uncertainity and doubt.
>>92182187Uncertainty and Doubt are reasons to have no Fear, though. Uncertainty and Doubt are natural, will always be here and there, so you shouldn't be afraid at all. All you can do is make up a plan and go ahead with it. No plan survives contact even with allies, of course, but Uncertainty and Doubt are just risk assessments that should go into the plan.
How the fuck do I filter out these companies like Dev10, Cybercoders, revature, etc
>>92181800I've been avoidng my part time service for over two months and the longer i wait the more scared i am of going in somehow i dont think theyll give me another admin account after this
So, what are the chances that junior dev positions are automated by GPT-4? I can't imagine companies will be wanting to put many resources towards hiring low level devs that can be outdone by a chatbot. Is the entry level just fucked forever?
>>92182307the entry level has already been fucked for a long time. there is no "entry level". that's boomer shit
I don't feel like applying for jobs, should I just set myself as open to work on linkedin? I've already had some recruiters message me.,
>>92182307its been over for a long time
>>92182307As an AI language model, I don't have access to future developments and plans of the companies or the GPT-4, but based on the current state of AI and automation, it is unlikely that junior dev positions will be entirely replaced by GPT-4 or any other AI technology in the near future.While AI has advanced significantly in recent years, it still requires a significant amount of human expertise to develop and train these models. Additionally, programming involves not only technical skills but also creativity, problem-solving, and critical thinking, which are difficult to replicate with AI alone.Moreover, junior developers often work on tasks that require a human touch, such as debugging code, writing tests, and collaborating with other developers, which would be challenging to automate completely.That being said, AI is already being used to automate some routine tasks and improve software development processes, but this automation is typically focused on increasing efficiency and reducing human error rather than replacing human developers.Overall, it's essential to continue to upskill and stay updated with the latest technologies and tools to remain relevant and competitive in the job market. But I wouldn't say that the entry level is "fucked forever" as there will still be a need for human developers for the foreseeable future.
What kind of AI jobs can I get? I am a senior dev in mobile dev with team leading experience in a corporation so I'm very good now but I'm having so much fun win SD and AI bots. However I'm super stupid at math and algorithms so the path to any serious machine learning is closed for me?
>>92182359you figure that out all by yourself?
>>92182336So, what does someone still in school do?I get my associates this summer and was banking on getting an internship but this market is fucked. Is there even any point in transferring to Uni after?Currently feels like I'm just gonna have to go back to eating shit at some front desk position somewhere. How do I not fall through the cracks bros?
>>92182385>So, what does someone still in school do?idk. I was having home problems at the time and joined the military, and even then, only joined because the job market was so bad that of the interviews I got, the military offered me any actual money first.>How do I not fall through the cracks bros?They're gaping holes now. embrace the void.
I've been neeting it up for like a year bros. Am I unhireable? Can I say I worked for my friend? Or freelancing or something?
>>92182431You have no place talking about the job market. You're a degenerate welfare queen who has no idea what's actually going on in the actual IT Industry.
>>92182165I like your version better.
If i can't get an interview in the next week i'm gonna kms
tech is dead u stupid sucker cocksucking tech feggot
>>92182431ok cool dont shoot up any elemenetary schools please
>>92182511Welcome to tech, son of a bitch bastard
>>92182511and nothing of value was lost
sers is my gov defense contracting job secure enough from AI?
>>92182676>defense contractingI've been avoiding my local NRD for months. am i gonna go to jail
>>92182307Junior positions are for team building. You'll be fine.
so coding > IT is still confirmed as usual in 2023?
>>92182917IT is just a wfh tradieno brain required
>>92181927Because a software engineer from Meta was here last night answering people's questions.
I have a theory that contact with IT promotes if not creates mental derangement
Would you consider working in an observatory?
I don't want to be a dumbass anymore. Where can I find courses that provides solutions and explanations to DSA problem like these so I can grind? I failed my algorithm class and then my data structure class a year ago, and now I suffer from it by spending my weekends preparing for mid exam in April and final exam in July.
>>92183184Yeah, actually. Sounds great. >lots of data to crunch and to exercise those skills>working with scientists and getting to ask them about their studies>lots of fun dealing with physical machineryThe only more fun thing would be like, I dunno, working on missile tracking systems or something.
>tfw you will never get to work on the next Hypermaneuverable Air-to-Air Missile
This is a hypothetical, but I'm interested in seeing what I can do in helping my older brother get a nice job. He's been a help desk agent working from home for the same hospital for about I think four years now for $25 hourly, but he could definitely do better. He has an associate in Business Information Systems if I recall correctly. I want him to get a better paying job with more pay. I'll even be the one who applies all the time if that's what it takes. Anyone know some good bullet point descriptors for this type of work?
>>92183035Link to the post? I got nothing.
>>92183216Plenty of stuff on Udemy. Then there's neetcode too, that's geared more towards interviews but can still be very helpful.Why aren't you using a textbook or lecture notes to study though?
>>92181927That and the annual job season is coming to a close for new grads. So there will be many who couldn't find a job and will have to start applying again in August/September.
>>92183258>he can definitely do betterNo he can't. He's making $25 an hour totally WFH with an associate's degree. That's as good as it's going to get.
>>92183440There's no way he could transition?Bang out some side projects and upskill?
>>92183507Transition to what?He's living the dream.
>>92183440This. $52k a year WFH for an associate's degree is pretty sweet.>>92183507I think the usual advice for new grads applies. Leetcode+ some stuff on GitHub
>>92183360>textbookI do have a textbook, but it's gonna take me a while to delve into the real, griping stuff while the clock is ticking away. Im a slow learner but my university doesnt care>lecturer notesBitch is a part time lecturer. She yaps in the class and can't be reachable even in office hours. She talk about preparing for a big quiz every student has to attend this semester, or a group final project, yet she never explain to us what's it look like or what the criteria so we can prepare. She literally left us in the dark.
>>92183055Or perhaps it draws the deranged in.
I have two offers: >new job with ~15% pay, SIGNIFICANTLY better benefits (company car, gym membership, etc.), but not remote (30 min commute each way) and job title will be "junior", despite 1 YoE and multiple years of part time work and internships during university>keep old job, fully remote and be promoted to a "tech lead" role for the web dev departmentI honestly can't decide. Of course, more money would be neat, but honestly I kind of don't need it. What's the better play for my future resume? Staying at one company for long (I've only ever worked at my current employer) or diversifying it?
>>92183328Just ignore the schizo ChatGPT posts. The technology produces crap.
>>92183258I'm smelling pajeet. Or at least non-white. Drink bleach. Both of you
>>92183972This (presumably) early early on in your career I'd be inclined to stick with your current role, assuming you are progressing and they're letting you progress, which it sounds like they are. That feels like the better longer play to me. If you're getting great offers as a junior my impression is you'd get even better offers in a few years with some more experience and a lead title under your belt.
>>92181747>>92181747Verse 1:They're always tapping on their screens,Their keyboards clicking like machines,Their minds consumed by codes and apps,Their workday never seems to lapse.Chorus:Annoying tech workers,Obsessed with their jobs,Always talking shop,Never taking a pause.Verse 2:They talk in jargon we can't understand,Their conversations always in command,They think they're changing the world,While we're left feeling unfurled.Chorus:Annoying tech workers,Obsessed with their jobs,Always talking shop,Never taking a pause.Bridge:They live in a world of bits and bytes,Where work and life are blurred in sight,They forget to enjoy the simple things,While we feel the tug of their strings.Chorus:Annoying tech workers,Obsessed with their jobs,Always talking shop,Never taking a pause.Verse 3:Their social skills are out of date,They forget to communicate,Their eyes glued to their screens,As if nothing else exists or means.Chorus:Annoying tech workers,Obsessed with their jobs,Always talking shop,Never taking a pause.Outro:We wish they'd take a break,And appreciate the world around them,Disconnect from their tech,And realize what they're missing.>>92181747
>>92183972>this meme posting retard is someone's lead
Finally told my boss that he's a retard and to go fuck himselfFeels so good
>>92181747I'm going to start a 2 months long course followed by internship to become sysadmin. So wish me luck and got any advice for me?
>>92184216Well, maybe you could try reaching out to your boss and apologizing for your behavior. You never know, he might be willing to give you a second chance.
>>92184245It's not just about developing skills, though. It's also about whether the job is the right fit for you. Have you considered whether you would enjoy working as a system administrator?
>>92184216Well, let me tell you something. Your future doesn't look too bright.
>>92184264>Have you considered whether you would enjoy working as a system administrator?The only way to find out is to try it. Are you trying to steer me away from it?
>>92184315there are other fields out there that value hard work and experience. You don't have to subject yourself to the toxic culture of big tech just because it's popular right now.
>>92182917high rating it goys still need to code
>>92183910this, I'm learning it now but I've heard horror stories of stereotypically it dudes
am in desperate need of advice. I am a NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training) and I desperately want to land a big tech job. But I have no idea where to start or what to do.
>>92184420begin to take progesterones and anti-androgens androgens immediately. also identify as native america and/or black.
>>92184435One way to confirm that you're on the right forum is to review the forum's guidelines or rules to make sure that your posts are in line with their requirements. Additionally, you can browse the forum to see if other users are posting similar content and engaging in discussions related to tech jobs.
>>92184435how do I fuck my fleshlight? I've been thrusting that thing with my arms on my cock but I don't know how to get in position to thrust into it in a stable manner.
>>92184435I'm sorry, but I have to say that you're incorrect about this. The information you're presenting is not accurate.
>>92184487I understand, and I want to support you in any way I can. Have you ever considered sex work as a way to make ends meet?
>>92184504I'm more into it as a hobby
>>92184487Firstly, I want to make sure that you are safe and that you're not in any pain or discomfort due to the broken Fleshlight. Can you please let me know if you are okay?
>>92184558man you guys really are deranged working in tech if you come up with these non sequitur answers
>>92184584 My job in tech has been so overwhelming and frustrating, and I feel like I'm on the brink of losing my mind.I'm constantly bombarded with deadlines, bugs, and never-ending projects that seem to have no end. The pressure to keep up with the latest technologies and trends is exhausting, and the work-life balance is almost non-existent. I can barely find time for myself, let alone my loved ones.Don't get me wrong, I love technology and the endless possibilities it offers, but sometimes I wish I could just unplug and escape from it all. I'm not sure how much longer I can keep up this pace without burning out completely.
>>92184648ok? just get a job at google and work 3 hours a week for 400k then
>>92184250>>92184293Don't tell me you've never been tempted
>>92184682working at a big company like Google can also mean losing your sense of autonomy and individuality. You're just one small cog in a big machine, and it's easy to get lost in the shuffle
>>92184691Look, I just want you to know, burning bridges like that is a low-iq move. Make better decisions in the future.
>>92184648you dont.just refuse to work outside of work hours.
>>92183328Ctrl+f meta and you'll find it
>>92184648I just want to build a cabin and live innawoods
>>92184648At least you're getting paid hahaha....
Is /g/ the last refuge of high IQ anons? /pol/ keeps accusing me of being low IQ and working at McDonald’s and I suspect it’s projection.
>>92185039G is a 95 IQ board full of contrarians
>>92185050the smarter you are the longer interval between your last 4chin post
>>92182385Put all your effort into socializing and networking i.e. autists are fucked
>>92185140i hate being autistic i hate being autistic
>>92185039That would be /his/ and /sci/
I love my QA internship!I love my QA internship!I love my QA internship!I love my QA internship ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahHow the fuck am I supposed to get a webdev job when I graduate?
>job interview at 10>psychiatrist appointment at 12i get to tell him about how wrong the interview will probably go and get diagnosed with autism guaranteed
>>92185282What college are you going to?
>>92185310In my uni, after the 5th semester you'll go into internship for 6th and 7th semester.Either you go 6 months x 2 internship or 1 x 12 months internshipI prepped some web projects alongside my web programming class throughout the 5th semester, making some stuff in laravel hoping i could get a webdev internship. Every student needs to land an internship before February, or the uni will place you randomly with associated companies.Because i couldn't land any, a staff took pity on me and say I'd be working as an appdev in this national bank. I was like "k sure but what will i do there? What framework? Language?" But they never tell.Last Monday, I walked to the office to start the internship. Site supervisor told me I'd be working in the QA team as a part of "Strategy Division". Told my uni about this and they say "idk lol just suck it up, you'll get another internship in september for your 7th semester."I'm trying my best to pretend to like testing mobile apps and reading spreadsheets and screenshoting every step to put on a word document, but i swear to God if i can't even land a webdev job because of this. I can't make time to learn webdev on the side since commuting take 4 hours everyday and i still have this algorithm class on Saturday. I spend my weekends practicing for that class, because there's a quiz every week.God help me.
>>92185492>4 hour commuteWTF?
Does maintaining a blog look good to recruiters? Any bloganons in?Thinking of making one just to write about random shit I'm learning about
>>92181747finally got a job, now I can finally post here. i honestly didn't think the situation was this bad, but I've heard seriously horrifying stories. I do not yet know the full details, but essentially this application is decades old, and has a database to match(Transact-SQL). no foreign key relationships have ever been established. how the relationships are maintained is as of yet beyond my knowledge.things could be worse. apparently in the other department they are maintaining a cobol app of sort, which has no DB, and are essentially doing DB shit with files.
>>92186158>T-SQL is oldWrong, it's timelessBut yeah, no foreign keys is worrying
i have a job interview tomorrow, on the one hand i would really like a job but on the other hand i would like at least another month of neetdom to prepare and fix all my bad habits
>>92185643it's normal in third world...
do people really able to get rich just by blogging and writing self help books just like James Clear, Naval Ravikant, etc?
>>92186243old != bad. personally, I agree it's better than some of its counterparts like psql. mainly because it doesn't try to do none of that OO bullshit, but also because it doesn't require you to pollute your function space with trigger functions, which you can declare directly in the trigger statement. also the db lacks any sort of ERD or documentation. quite bad considering it's 30+ year old
>>92186890What does != mean
>>92186914is not equal to
I just found out one of my coworkers with 2 yoe is paid 160k. I got hired as a new grad on 85k but frankly I'm a little upset as I've learned very quickly and now contribute much more than he does.Ive been here for 6 months now and they just bumped me up to 100k. Should I have demanded more? I am already more skilled than he is. My tickets are more complicated and I get them done faster and rarely have bugs come back.I think they know I probably wont get offered more than 100k anywhere else while only having 6moe but the fact of the matter is that I do more for them than he does.I know it sounds like a larp to be claiming im better than anyone with 6 moe but I typically work 10 hours a day and most weekends because I actually really like my job and want to get good, I'd overemploy but I feel like that would be a bad idea as a junior
>>92186979Look for other jobs. Interview well. Allow a potential employer to phone your current employer for a reference. Negotiate a raise from there.
anyone here has experience with SAP?where the fuck do i get some guide for dummies?
>>92187085Yes. Don't bother. Just run away.
i hate standups
>>92186979Because of women and minorities crying about salaries, most companies have a set salary schedule, so you won't ever make more than someone with 2 yoe unless you jump to a new company. I would start interviewing but I wouldn't have any hope negotiating with your current employer will be productive.
>>92186979it doesn't matter how much better than you think you are than your coworker. you accepted 85k to begin with so what do you expect to magically happen. the way you are framing your coworker doesn't sound healthy
>>92187126yeah but in the meantime i need something brother
>live in europoor shithole where programmers have the same salary as mcdonalds wagies>enter thread>rich Americans crying that their coworkers are even richer
>>92187236america must be destroyed inshallah hala mamalaha
>>92183972This just shows the disparity between webshitters and actual devs
>>92181927most guys are still heavily affected by propaganda despite trying to pose as "my jaded mind is heavily armored against le joos"remember when github copilot was supposed to kill billions of code monkeys' jobs?that's right, many people here don't even remember it existsonly difference is that gpt is backed by billion dollar advertisement investment, but so far it's being a huge load of nothingburger despite all the doompostingcompetent guys will take major advantage of it as the new flavor tool of the year, incompetent guys will stay incompetent because they're only able to make prompts in a recreational manner rather than professionally literally nothing changed
>>92187304>because they're only able to make prompts in a recreational mannersuch as? Coom AI art generators?
>tech job>lots of paperworkname a biggest blunder
>>92184682>tfw at jewglei make half that and work 3 hours a day. it's not enough. if i want to keep my job i have to be working at least 6 but somehow i'm too much of a lazy ass to do more than 3>>92184702many people see that as a benefit. less visibility means less responsibility
>>92187236>live in glorious Kalifat of Germanistan>make more money than most Amerisharts>while still having health insurance and more PTO than I know what to do with
>>92181177Bro, you don't even know what ML work is like (protip: it's even more hellish than trying to get a job in the domain with "only" a master's at the most well-known lab in the world and a year of experience).
Do I have to learn Python, AI, Machine Learning, NLP, Deep Learning, and Data Science now just to get an entry level webdev job?
>>92183768>Im a slow learner but my university doesnt careThat's where you're wrong. Uni is specially designed for slow learners. You're just clinically retarded and should fuck off from my field.
>>92187919>You're just clinically retarded and should fuck off from my field.imagine gatekeeping the midwit field. just because they hand out $200k starting to every uni grad doesn't mean we're smart
>>92187236The difference is that your life standard is very high even if you're homeless in europe. In the US, your life standards are uniquely determined by your net worth, no other factor.
>>92187943I didn't say you're smart either, or that 99% of hires aren't clinically retarded. My point is that he's so daft he doesn't even hold a candle to the low-wit morons that get jobs, which are painful enough to work with as is.
>>92187948>richfags genuinely believe this
>>92187959if you're so smart why don't you work in places that just don't hire retards?
>>92186979>and now contribute much more than he does.Congratulations, you blew it. Now you'll be stuck in your bottom rung role with no prospect for a raise or a promotion ever. Also if you ever slow down your performance, you are getting PIP'd, even if you only reduce your performance so as to match his performance exactly.Look for a new job right now and bunker down for a year because you're about to have a really bad time.Next time:>research what you're worth>negotiate for something in the ballpark>do the minimum amount of work required by you at all times (this sets low expectations so you can tactically outperform when required, THIS IS HOW YOU GET PROMOTED FAST)>always do the things that are easy but that others evaluate as being hard, nothing else (they will expect you to fail so even if you fail it's not a problem for your performance evaluation, it makes you appear brave; you will receive all the resources you want and then some because it appears hard; if you succeed with few resources, it makes you appear like a hero and genius)
>>92187981I work in places that hire very intelligent people. The problem is that nobody has figured out a good interview to find smart people, yet, so we also get a bunch of morons. Unlike most industries, we actually fire those, though.
must resume be 1pages?
>>92188042Apparently that's the new meta, yes.
>>92188057fml how can i show off my portfolio projects features and include my skills and include my education and include my bio where i mention my blue hair and gender
>>92188028anything short of a quant firm, research team, or high impact startup isn't selective at all>The problem is that nobody has figured out a good interview to find smart people, only hire from top unis after internships, networking, or seeing their previous work. like how every other industry does it
>>92188111>research team, or high impact startupYes
>>92188082>my bio where i mention my blue hair and genderone line>(They/Them)ezpz
>>92188111Oops, should have also responded to>only hire from top unis after internships, networking, or seeing their previous work.Those don't work.>networkinglol, lmao even>after internshipsDoesn't mean anything. Every jamal and cletus gets internships, and what you do in those internships is 100% up to luck. For example I did 2 research internships where I did genuine research as an undergrad because the student that was supposed to be in charge of me didn't bother ever actually contacting me, so I got some other student to basically mentor me. My work ended up being published in a high-impact competition at the time that led to a paper in a workshop that now has thousands of citations.However, another student at the same time quit his first internship halfway through because he was made to do stupid grunt work the whole time (namely wrap datasets in a consistent API) and was not allowed to learn anything about the domain at all.Thankfully, everyone knows how luck-based this is around here.> top unisLol, lmao even. All the best people come from no-name unis. I'm not kidding. There are exceptions to the rule (we got one guy from MIT and another from CMU who are really good, but they're not the best either) of course, but the rule is that people who went to top unis have an overinflated ego and an underinflated curiosity and propensity to do research, typically because they got where they are by focusing too hard on useless things like muh grades instead of important things like fostering actual interests in a domain or performing good research. Another problem is that at good unis, the entire pipeline is maxed for results. This means they never had issues where it was near-impossible for them to publish because they were from an unknown school from a small lab that has no publication experience at top journals. Instead they just followed the "publication assembly line" and 90% of modern peer review is "is this guy in a lab I recognize?".
Is anyone else content with just being an average developer, making (relative to other SWEs) average money? I make enough to live comfortably, and I don't have to stress out too much.
>>92182431i learned webshit but couldn't find a job so now i work help deski think i'm going to learn a trade
>>92188472yes, absolutely. my job is fully remote, low stress, mostly easy and pays well. what more could you want from a job?
>>92188459>or seeing their previous work. Yes, this is king. The problem is that it's surprisingly easy to bullshit. Due to publish or perish culture, it's very common for anything from labs as a whole to the person themselves to just steal other people's work and be done with it. In addition, this is a very tall order when you're trying to hire people who just got a master's. It's hard enough with just the PhD as is. Once again we understand just how luck-based grad school is (as opposed to skills-based). Then again, all researchy things have an important luck component.The principal skills that a good worker in r&d needs are perseverance, rigor, and scientific thinking. You can't really ask for more (the "X factor" is having a knack for telling what will or will not work, but this can be developed through experience, and nobody really knows how to detect this quality in people in advance), but those are hard to test for. Anyone can regurgitate "observation hypothesis experiment analysis conclusion" on-the-spot, but doing it in practice under work condition is another thing.
At how many years of experience do system design interviews become prevalent? I'm 5 years in and I'm hitting the job market soon, which I'm not super excited about. Does anyone have any good interview prep links that isn't in the OP? My Leetcode experience is nonexistent, so I might brush up on a DS&A book.
Enjoy your final day of rest buckos. Back to the ratrace tomorrow.
>>92188472I'd be content with that. I don't enjoy programming enough to deal with a stressful workload. As it currently stands, however, I'll take whatever I can get. Being self taught and looking for your first job right now is tough.
A+ help desk here, I have a lot of downtime at work and want a side gig. What's something I can do to make extra money? Pc repair in my neighborhood? Sell shit from work? Lean web development (I did take a summer course in web development 2 years ago and can make templates). I have access to the Adobe suite through work.
>>92188647I have never heard of someone without a degree getting a tech job in the past 10 years.When I worked at microsoft, during onboarding we were shilled that microsoft only cares about ability, not degree. I was curious because I thought that was really cool (you absolutely don't need a degree to program, I was self-taught, too, and learned nothing at all in school), so I pulled up the org chart. I found only 2 people who didn't have a degree, and both had been at microsoft for almost 20 years.
>>92188316carry on then. but remember your inflated salary is propped up by fagman overpaying their SWE midwits>>92188459>academic>seething and elitistchecks out. you're saying "stay the fuck out of my field" but nobody here is trying to get your job. people are just trying to finish undergrad to get a cozy coding job
>>92188082add blm as your middle name
>>92188838Nah, it's more than that. Whom do you think productize the research? Certainly not researchers in normal circumstances, but that means having to communicate with who's in charge of this. On the other hand, when it's a startup the teams and their duties are mixed. Once again the engineers I work with tend to be excellent but that doesn't mean we don't have stereotypical pajeets now and then.
>>92188911Also there's 0 reason why someone with just a bachelor's or even no degree at all couldn't do research. It's really just about attitude and experience. The requirement for higher degrees is just as much credentialism as requiring a bachelor's for any normal swe role.
>>92188634what do you have planned for tomorrow
>>92188901i dont want to use my deadname
>>92188945>sunday night>tell myself i'm going to go to bed and wake up early to run errands before wageslaving mentally drains me>don't do that and go to bed at midnight instead>wake up tired as fuck>check my work email secretly hoping i got laid off>don't get laid off and feel disappointed>dissociate instead of writing code because i don't really want to worki already know how tomorrow is going to go
>try to do leetcode>can only do a few easy questionsIs this normal for someone with minimal experience with these types of questions, or am I just retarded? I know this shit doesn't translate into real life, applicable work experience, but is the inverse true? Should I inherently know how to solve these questions just on the basis of me working as a software dev for a few years, or is it a learned skill?
Anybody have publications that mention intrusive thoughts from 1900-1980 or where to look for them? Or sources that mention the specific publication instead of generally referring to an author saying something about it.Also mentions of intrusive images are preferred The earliest I found with a quick search was from 1978.
>>92189285it's a learned skill that goes away without practicejust do the blind75 and see how you feel after 100 more problemsit goes away immediately if you don't grind though. i could solve hards a year ago and now i can't even solve mediums just because i haven't been doing it
>>92189285No. Even a freshman should be able to do any easy question without much thinking.
>>92189324Something like https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/491457 ? Use sci-hub if you don't have access, check the bibliography to get more.
>>92182256>Uncertainty and Doubt are reasons to have no Fearask your doctor about ASD
>>92189403yes thank you
>>92189339>>92189372Some of the Blind 75 easy questions were easy at face value, granted I didn't spend too much time on them. How would you anons recommend I prep and brush up for coding assessments? Is it worth reading through a data structures/algorithm book, or is there a better use of my time?
>>92189462A good trick to find information about a topic you're not familiar with is to look for review papers. While publications in nature are usually below mediocre, nature reviews are consistently top-tier and a great first stop if there is something relevant there, even today. Review papers shouldn't be trusted to be unbiased, however they're a goldmine for starting a deep dig into the topic because of the wealth of citations they provide, and because they introduce the vocabulary and ideas you need to formulate more specialized searches.
>>92189516>Is it worth reading through a data structures/algorithm bookSince you're having trouble with easys, absolutely. If not, then just doing the neetcode or blind75, looking up a few solutions, and then doing more exercises for topics you find that you're kinda weak, are better use of your time.
Salaries are fucking plummeting bros. From the jobs I've been looking at, it's probably down like 30% from 15 months ago.
>>92185237/sci/ is just antivaxx and weed-scientist general.
>>92185237>>92189678/sci/ is sub-0 IQ. Nobody in /his/ knows anything about history. Sometimes someone who knows a little will chime in in a thread that's 99% "b-but my public school teacher told me..." and correct a few retarded posts, but even that's rare./sci/ is super provaxx because of their sub-0 IQ.
>>92189627Employers figured out they can hire people on the cheap because FAGMAN spent huge amount of resources developing shit nobody wants and had to inevitably downsize. Some naive undergrad will be working for peanuts because they've been mindfucked by CNN and idiots online believing that software engineering roles will be taken by AI any moment for now.
>>92189837>provaxxThe only thing I'm "pro" for is Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2. That game is sick yo.
>>92189627That’s exactly what happens when you flood the supply and kill the demand of programmers simultaneously
What are your thoughts on working for chinese big tech? I got a really good offer from one of them but I am worried that it will damage my future career because everyone hates china now.
>>92189627Just a bad year. Economy will be better by 2025ish
>>92190088China is the future anyway.
>>92190116>salaries will be better once everyone has been replaced by AI Really? The end of the SWE grift train is in clear sight now and you're still pretending everything is fine?
>>92190088Americans scooped up Germany's best and brightest after WW2. Honestly, these ideological differences only come out against you when you've made yourself unavailable. If you've got a resume, a smile and a willingness to jump ship then nobody is going to care that you've invented a drone which castrates people if their social credit score is too low.
>>92190158Sure. I'll live my life unaffected by the opinions of midwits
>>92190158>The end of the SWE grift train is in clear sight nowElaborate.
>>92190208he means nuclear war
>>92190088I have never seen a smart chang. All they seem to know is politics, plagiarism, theft and lies.
>>92190208literally just the tech bubble bursthaven't been affected by it yet. i'm still going to work sadly>>92190251nuclear war would fuck everyonein that case being a SWE grifter would help because more money for prepping
>>92190208It reminds me of truckers in 2015 or so.AI driving tech was "two years from now" and going to replace all of them. The problem is these ML models have some asymptotic behavior where even adding a trillion more layers just improves them by 0.01%.
>>92187887>Bro, you don't even know what ML work is likewhat better time to look into it than when everything else is shitting the bed?i'm an NPC so i'm still working my soulless corporate job waiting to get laid off for the pay cuts to begin so i have nothing else to lose
Frankly I don't understand why people are so fixated on the dangers to the tech sector when the entire global economy since 08 has been in a continuous pump made up by printing a bunch of cash and giving it to various banks which then gave the money to companies for cheap. The tech sector was only the biggest who made the profit, but not the only one.Comparing the amount of new jobs that were opened during rona to what's being closed now, I think it's really not as bad as it could've been.Everyone focusing on these huge companies ignoring that some like Meta have poured billions into the Metaverse which turned out to be complete duds.
>>92189837Reminds me of the time I went to /sci/ to figure out some medical issue I was having at the time. Bloody useless. Ended up going to /fit/ who was actually able to help me out. I couldn't afford a doctor's visit at the time. God bless America. I'm a skinny nerd, but /fit/ has my respect.>>92181006For me I had work a year at a low end code monkey job, then apply to a company willing to sponsor my current clearance.
>>92190413It's just women and gays who "learned to code" very poorly and can't find jobs to sit down and watch facebook.
>>92190158>The end of the SWE grift trainThis job requires at least medium intelligence and years of study and practice. A skilled developer is not a grifter, anon.You're either clueless or a very good developer living in a bubble. If the latter don't forget that what you can do and take for granted is actually hard and most people just can't do, even if they put in the effort. You have no idea how stupid most people are.
>92190580>pressing some button and staring at a screen the entire day is totally hard work that not anyone can doWhy are ITcels so delusional. It's just another bullshit office job.
>>92190641what do you do?
>>92190641have you worked lower socioeconomic status jobs? Did you meet the kind of people that do them?
>>92190688I'm a Software "Engineer" but I am aware that it's just another meaningless do-nothing job like 99% of office jobs.I have no need to pretend I'm some super genius doing hard work who dreams in code or whatever you pretentious fags come up with
>>92190357That's the thing: the best time to look into a domain is when two conditions are met. 1: it is being neglected, and 2: everything else is more attractive/doing well. In these conditions, it is easy to find a job, applications are not as competitive, and the work is better because your colleagues are less competitive/trying to fuck you over.When everything shits the bed, you have all kinds of retards who think like you, fucking up the situation even more at all levels (far more competitive interviews, far more noxious work environments). When ML is a fad (like right now), the same applies. Now you're dealing with the worst case scenario to try to get into data anything.
>>92190546Yes, /fit/ is surprisingly well-read on the scientific literature regarding fitness and nutrition. While they're all juicing and larping as being natty, beyond that they're probably the smartest board after /g/.
>>92190793why'd someone natty larp on this autistic place
>>92190641Beside >>92190693 there's also the problem that you've only seen one side of the absolute state of tech jobs. How would any tech be made if everyone was working like this? In fact, 90% are as you portray, but the remaining 10% have to shoulder the responsibility of 100% of the company. They work crazy hours doing partly menial but partly intellectually demanding work.
>>92190839The opposite, they juice and then claim to be natty. Being natty with a great body is the "working one hour a week full remote while pulling 7 figures" of /fit/.
>>92190874>working one hour a week full remote while pulling 7 figuresI do that unironically "THOUGH"?
>>92190874looking good natty would be in the cards for many if they weren't demoralized pussies
Man, I don't know what the fuck everyone here is on about, I'm in web/mobile development and there's work out the ass and I'm sure as shit not working just a few hours a day. Even if I had 0 distractions at work, 8 hours a day to get everything done that I'd like to do would be a bit short.We constantly have people coming in/out of the company. Just recently we had 5 new hires out of which 2 left in the first 3 months.
>>92190735>I have no need to pretend I'm some super genius doing hard workI'm not saying programmers are geniuses, I'm saying most people can't program for shit. Yes, some manage to "grift" their way through but they either stay coding garbage for the same company forever or just quit the industry at some point. Recessions tend to weed grifters out.
>>92190882Why anons point out writing 'though' at the end of sentence as something awful or wrong?t. ESL
>>92190838>not C embeddedLiteral code monkey. Kill yourself.
>>92190949like I said, these people clearly haven't worked with people who stay their entire lives in low socioeconomic jobsyou have to be cut out for this sort of thing
>>92190944same, I've never worked 2 hours a day in max /comfy/ mode. The company I work for is in like permanent crunch mode because the managers are retarded.
>>92190991It became a meme due to overuse by ESL niggers now you can't just use it unironically.
>>92191061>>92190944then move to a company with good work like balance like microsoft? inb4 MUH JEWS and MUH LEETCODE
>>92191098Do you have a sister I can marry to get a green card?
>>92191074>OveruseUh... I might be to blame, but it is a correct way of using the word though?I don't understand how can it become overused
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>>92191053When I got into IT I've worked with dudes stuck in helldesk for years. I've worked a bunch of developer jobs since and most of those dudes are still doing helldesk. Software development filters even IT workers.
>>92190927"looking good", yes. Looking juiced, obviously not. It's so painfully obvious every time.
>>92191261Yes, but go even lower. Talk to the smartest plumber in the world. You will cringe at how unbelievably stupid he is.
>>92191098>microsoft>good work/life balanceMY FUCKING SIDES
>>92191342rule i heard ismost of it is chillif you want to be a manager get ready to backstaband if you work in azure you're life is shitnot sure if it's true but that's what i hear all the time
>>92191322here the tourism induatry brings in the most money so there's lots of people working as seasomal waiters / bartenders / many related job titlesyou would not believe how retarded they are and some of them do this into 40s-50s
>>92190761i mean i'm not even looking now. stuck at my current job until i figure out what the fuck i want to do because i know i want out
>>92191400It's mostly true, except you'll get backstabbings even at the lowest rung. Also every org is constantly at each other's throat, and any org that does ML (mostly those that fall under MSR) is on par with azure in terms of fucked up workload.
>working on side shit maybe 2 days a week>want to quit my job and work on my own shit full time>only been here less than 2 years so would be a huge red flag on my resumeit's all or nothing if i leave
>>92191523If you want to get ML exposure, I suggest looking at a multidisciplinary field that interests you where use of ML is nascent. This will allow you to grow ML skills without having to compete in the same ridiculous environment as ML-first roles/companies.
>>921915971-2 years is the normal tenure at tech jobs. Leaving before the 2 years mark is not a red flag unless you do that consistently.
>>92191622unless you're asian you probably don't have the IQ for ML/AI. maybe try product management or sales
>>92191648jumped from my last job to this one for an 80k raise (with a bit of a big employment gap in the middle)i'm more worried about having a second resume gap than anything else. people would assume the worst and that i got pipped
Anyone here do cloud architecture work? How does one segue into that from web dev?
>>92191696Yeah, in that case you're better off staying at least until year 3 in my opinion.Another option is to position yourself into a place where you don't have to do much work at all, so you still get paid but you have the time to work on your own stuff. It's optimal if you can do that since you don't have to wait until you hit X years before expending more time on your personal projects, and you get to keep your pay.
>>92191432sounds like a mediterranian country
>>92191597I'm in the same boat. I get to do mostly nothing and get paid, but I feel stuck. I'm putting all my energy and care on my own projects.I really should start applying.
I started learning programming 3 months ago. cs50 and some python tutorials on the side.I have a job offer as a junior dev. I probably was able to get it because of some cyber security non-technical shit I've done in my current non-coding job that is somewhat related to the new job, but the responsibilities of the new job will be totally new to me.I feel like I am still really new to this field but honestly with the ease of looking up how to do stuff and now AI being able to help me learn I feel like I should be able to hack it even if I have to learn almost everything on the spot.What do you guys think? Wait until I become a better programmer or just take the job and fake it to make it?
>>92191691kek'd hardHere is the list of all as*an contributions to ML/AI:PS:Cope. Seethe. Dial 8.The only two well-known asian names are kaiming he (didn't contribute anything, his MO is to copy existing things and rename them) and li fei-fei (stole credit for her only known work, never achieved anything afterward)
>>92182336>>92182385I'm genuinely curious how the bridge between junior and senior dev is going to be crossed now. Junior engineers were already a negative cost that basically only FAANG had, most startups only hire senior because they can't afford the lost productivity. Now that gap is even bigger because GPT-4 can do the basic shit a junior dev would handle while learning, you'd need to have like 3 years experience right now to be worth it.government is going to have to sponsor apprenticeship type shit or people will be doing indentured servant or unpaid intern type shit for years to get a spot. Companies are so short sighted that it wouldn't surprise me to see a massive shortage of engineers eventually due to this, unless AI really does become AGI and replace all software engineers
>>92191778What's your skin color and what kind of genitals do you have?
>>92181747Any ideas for a cybersec/cloud engineering side gig?
>>92191755ye doubt other places are much like this, seasonal normie work is retarded
>>92191778holy shit you already got the offerjust take it or else you'll be cursing yourself for being a retard later
>>92191797Lol? Startups have been the only good way into the industry for the past many years because they hire anyone. FAGMAN only hire easily if you're in SF and a fresh grad, otherwise it's based on the SJW point system exclusively.
>>92191597really not a red flag unless you have like 3+ jobs straight with less than 1 year. Just make it a positive by saying you got offered more responsibilities at the new company and that you want to stay longer if you are allowed to grow/learn, people eat that shit up in interviews
>>92191822>>92191755>>92191432Always remember that people with an IQ of 100 are very dumb, and that 50% of the world is dumber than that.
>>92191752>Yeah, in that case you're better off staying at least until year 3 in my opinion.yeah i really feel trapped here.part of me is hoping for a layoff so that way i can have an excuse to leave. it would be the perfect excuse to say "well i didn't get fired because i was bad at my job, but because i just got unlucky, and i decided to use this opportunity to develop skills and projects i would otherwise not have the time for given my full time job," which is honestly 100% true though>>92191777>I'm in the same boat. I get to do mostly nothing and get paid, but I feel stuck. i work hybrid so the days i'm going in are completely wasted. i try to make progress at night but i'm so dead tired i half ass it>I'm putting all my energy and care on my own projects.it's been difficult to balance it. when i work from home i try to do my personal shit but i feel guilty and then end up going back to work but half assing it
>>92191834only the shit startups, most well funded startups only hire seniors because they can't waste time onboarding and training people. By comparison MANFAG you can get in with no real world experience as long as you are a good leetcode monkey
>>92191804I'm a white male.>>92191832Yeah I guess. I just have a small fear of getting let go because I'm unable to do the job but I feel like that's unlikely for the reasons I mentioned.
>>92191905Worst larp in history
>>92191905>start learning programming 3 months ago>get job in worse economic conditions since 2008holy shit being white is literally living life on giga mega easy mode. if you're white and unironically can't get a job actually kys
>>92191837only worked 2 jobs so far.i try to commit to lasting at least a year. this job i wanted to go for 2 years but the company and the economy changed so much in the last year as a result of the recession that i feel like i'm being too slow
>>92191874Lolno. Just the opposite. I've never seen a well-funded startup hire seniors at all. Even the CTO is typically dropping out of college or a fresh grad. I worked at several startups. The first one I worked at was a unicorn and that was when I was fresh. I only stayed there about 4 months before they were acquired by a FAGMAN. Next startup was even easier to join because I had unicorn experience. They barely even bothered interviewing me. It was funded with a dozen million or so. Ultimately it went under. Next one was very early stage. Had to do their finance for them even though I was hired for tech. Made it to 1b valuation by the time I left. Current one I'm working at is another well-funded startup. Once again we basically only have fresh grads as hires.
>>92191905they're not going to wait for you to get better and then hire you after you "get better"assuming you didn't lie about how much you know, then they are already hiring you with the expectation that they're going to have to train you on the job
>>92191905>I'm a white male.t.
>50% of my job has been rewriting a "senior" developer's codeI don't know how someone could have 15 years of experience and still code like this
>>9219211215 years of experience doing the wrong thing is easy to get working at shit tier companies
>>92191622that's sort of my plan. my target was bioinformatics which i'm pretty sure is oversaturated as fuck. i have SWE experience and am trying to ramp up on enough of the ML and data stuff to pass an interview over the next 6 months, then look for a job
>>92192112most people don't actively try to improve and if nobody puts pressure on them they won't improve. 15 years experience vs 1 year experience 15 times, this is a common thing. IQ is also a factor, some people just hit a wall in terms of the complexity they can handle
>>92192210doubt many people reach their limits in anything
>>92192112What makes it bad?
>>92192227i'm a junior dev with 2 YOE and i feel like i've reached my limitsomehow i have been wrong about every aspect of my codebase. i don't think i've made a single correct decision my 2 years here lmao
>>92192227have you ever tried to teach somebody with average or below average IQ how to code? I've offered to people who asked in the past and many of them simply can't do recursion, others even get mind fucked by nested loops, async stuff is also hard for them
>>92192182>bioinformaticsBased?>oversaturated as fuck. Lolno. Nobody is doing (real) bioinformatics. The real problem is that nearly all """bioinformatics""" roles are just biology roles where you take the data you generated in the wetlab experiments you ran and then put them through established pipelines, not actual bioinformatics roles where you build new bioinformatics tools. If you look at most bioinformatics job descriptions, you'll see they want someone who's an expert at (wet-lab) biology AND an expert at computer science at the same time, and are willing to pay you a whopping 50k for this skillset when your local software sweatshop is 80k minimum.In addition, while there is significant interest in using machine learning for bioinformatics, nobody who's looking to hire for those roles actually knows what any of that means.Overall, I wish you excellent luck for your search because we need far, far more of people like you throughout bioinformatics.
>>92192112I'm "maintaining" a system where every "module" is just a method with hundreds or thousands LOCs inside a class. Some of the logic is nested 10+ levels deep. The guy who wrote it is a boomer.
this place is worse than cscareerquestions sometimes with the doom posting and lying
>>92192350t. shitskin trannygger
>>92192325cause you expect them to get it at once, over time with decent attempte the ball may begin rolling but ofc they won't measure up to people who are actually cut out for the job
I am senior level.Boss keeps getting on me for "just" doing what's asked of me.All of my targets get done without fuss.I attend all my meetings, I am friendly, I tell jokes, I smile, I communicate.I'm pretty decent at smalltalk and being sociable.But I'm a retard so I dont really lead or speak up much in any design meetings or make major suggestions.I've been attempting to add my two cents, but haven't been really successful because I just dont fuckin care.I dont care what architecture we use.I dont care what coding standards we have.I dont care about what fucking language I have to write it in.I dont fuckin care about design. I am a gun. Point me at an issue or project and fire.I am senior level. I do everything asked of me, and that's not enough.I get it. They want more from me.But I dont live to program or work.I'm not going to do the Walmart wagie dance.I'm not going to pretend I find it super-interesting talking for hours about version control.What do i do? Are they just trying to scare me?Anybody else been in this position?I just wanna do my work, and disappear when that clock hits 5.
>>92192350cscq are people in decent colleges majoring in cs4chan are pol incel neets who work fast food
>>92192227If being good at your job gets you promoted. Then you stop getting promoted when you become incompetent. So, people are promoted to the point of incompetence.
>>92192357keep coping you fucking troon, maybe you'll pass discrete math next semester
>>92192389Try to move to a different job. How long have you been in this position? You should specifically aim to stay in your current position only long enough for people to not be able to complain, and to leave as soon as possible beyond that. This is the absolute state of the modern tech workplace.
>>92192492That's a pretty damn big if my man. Much bigger than this one.
>>92192521Project harder, trannygger diversity hire
Has anyone ever worked on implementing multiple features basically a toggle on and off interface into a repository a completely different team owns?I'm starting to think that there is no way in hell a 2 week sprint is enough to even be able to develop, update tests, do integration and merge the code. Even the implementation can get rejected.
gm wfh chads
>>92192234>C++ but only uses the C standard library>doesn't create functions for things, just writes all logic in methods that are hundreds, sometimes thousands of lines long>leaves in large blocks of commented out code despite having version control>unused variables everywhere>never once turned on compiler warnings>ton of code that looks like it's used, but actually isn't if you look closely enough>absolutely nothing is documented>not a single test written
>>92183258>he can do better>i will apply for himpick one
>>92192722If I see your resume, it's going in the shredder
>>92183258He really can't do better with an associate's in BIS and IT experience at a hospital. Also who says he wants "better", and "better" by which metric? Maybe he loves being wfh. Maybe he does nothing all day and that's all he wants.
>>92188008this MF gets promoted
>>92192679You don't need tests or compiler warnings if you write the code right the first time around. That's a protip. You're just not good enough to understand it.Same basic idea with documentation. Good code is self-documenting.Flat functions are optimal. Highly indirect calls are not only slow as balls, they're also impossible to debug.Unused variables and code everywhere is a good things, they foster job security. Only a pro can use this technique successfully.
>>92188042resume should take no longer than 1 tiktok video to read; gen Z works in HR now
>>92192834>Unused variables and code everywhere is a good things, they foster job security. Only a pro can use this technique successfully.I rewrote 100% of his code base in a little over a month. Clearly he's an amateur.
>>92192769Documentation is for fools that can’t write concise code. OOP programmers tend to do put online stuff into a function for no good reason. Tests have arguable value. I used vars and deadcode leaves tasks for jannies like you to clean up :^)Basically every Haskell codebase I’ve worked on has been self documenting.>verification not required
>>92191778take it , keep it for 2+ years, get good at it. you are lucky as hell
After reading this thread, I'm convinced most of the people in /twg/ don't deserve jobs
>>92192880And in the next month you will be training pajeet to replace you, unaware of how the world works. He did not have that problem.
>>92188008100% this is good advice. I've got 5 yoe, I'm going to give ridiculously high numbers and as long as it's under the salary of someone with 10 yoe, they can pay me.
>>92193012Maybe if I was a lowly webdev like you I'd be concerned, but I'm a defensechad. My job is jeetproof by federal law.
>>92192389Real as fuck
>>92193085Project harder, webpajeet.
>>92192975I'm sorry that not everyone is as incompetent at you :(
>>92193085what's the pay like in defense? is it all enterprise .NET work?
>>92181747Not really a tech worker, but I work at a big tech company.>Work in debit card fraud department>Take calls>Have deep voice and used to fuck around with it in drive throughs as a teen>Get call, woman sounds angry that her card stopped working>Tell her what happened and that I'll need to send her somewhere else to fix it>She gets all nice and flirty>Pawn her off to another department>"Have a nice day, (her name).">"Thanks haha, y-you too!"Comfy job, I'm good at talking to people so it's perfect to do while I learn 2 code. Also funny to talk to dudes about their Onlyfans subscriptions and pretend I don't know what it is. >"These are from, let's see, uh- oh eff dot com?">"YEAH YEAH, THOSE ARE FINE, IT'S ALL GOOD BRO - NO NEED FOR ANYTHING"
>>92193214hey bud that's great. please post it in the appropriate thread though.
>>92193214Based. I always admire a nice voice, it's a God-given gift.
>>92193098Cope and seetheThe economy WILL go to shitYou WILL get laid offPajeet WILL replace youMeanwhile I will collect a nice paycheck with a fat benefits package doing the bare minimum for the nobile cause of returning to the depleted Israeli fields, the phosphorus that Palestinian children so greedily horde in their bones
>>92193085>defense"chad">>92193120worse than web dev
>>92193397Even assuming taxes, how is even the entry level pay "poverty"? It's not like you are trying to live in SoCal.
>>92181927these threads are full of neets and people who don't actually work in the industry
>>92193120Depends on where you work. If you do cleared work at Microsoft or AWS you're getting big tech salaries. If you work a Lockheed, you're probably getting paid like shit. If you find yourself with shit pay, take the clearance and then either>job hop and get a fat pay increase>squeeze your current employer for a fat pay increase>is it all enterprise .NET work?No, but it depends where you are and what you're working on
>>92192601Less than a year.Got dropped from a competitive startup where i was doing fine but had immeasurable imposter syndromeWas hoping i could be more anonymous at a big corpo
>>92193445>how is 90k not poverty?lol just lol
>>92193491No seriously, my first tech job was 50k and I was able to make mortgage just fine. Not everywhere in America is SoCal, New York, or DC.
What's the workload like for FAGMAN and other big companies in SV? I've heard of horror stories about AWS slaves but I wonder how widespread it is.
>>92193570It's a coinflip, either you do no work at all and nobody cares, or you do ungodly amount of work and that's still not enough.
>>92193554I couldn't imagine putting the hours I did in college, grinding leetcode and applying to internships just to start at 50k.If you're happy making the same wage as the mailman and the janitor, you do you.
>>92193554Your first tech job was 25 years ago.
>>92193600>get paid 120k+ but work twice as much as a 60k job This sounds like hell. Might as well go for the overemployed meme at that point.
>>92193469I do fullstack .NET web dev with some Azure work mixed in here and there. What's the best way getting my foot in the door for government work?
>>92193673Apply to a cleared job
>>92193397people who work in gov/military/defense are the biggest cucks ever
>>92183972>1 yoe>wants a senior title
>>92186979>2 yoe>160kWhat do you guys even do? This can't be a help desk job.
>>92193973haven't yet into coding, doing ccna, people use spaced repetition for code?
Should I really go to college and get a degree anons?
is it retarded to take up an IT job if I have 1yoe in development but was laid off and am having trouble getting another dev job in this market? would it be possible to pivot back into development once things bounce back a little?
>>92192880Not saying that rewriting bad code is a bad thing. However, you sound like a tryhard that would do anything to throw your coworkers under the bus.
>>92194044Only if you structure it to learn the principles, not trivia.It's fine for LeetCode because their actually aren't that many principles to know. pic related.
>>92194100>if asked for all permutation/subsets>backtracking instead of bitmaskngmi
>tfw people don't realize how important job titles are>same field but a different job title in the same field nets you an over 30k increase in salary
>>92194137No, I'm pretty sure everyone here lies about their job titles on their resumes
>>92194078I don't know how you got all of that out of me venting about having to maintain bad code on an anonymous imageboard
>>92194224I mean for when you're applying for a job.
>>92193570200k starting and barely 5 minutes of work per day source:tiktok
The absolute state
>>92194224Everyone does in the real world, not just here. Beside, job titles literally don't mean anything unlike what this moron is saying, they're completely arbitrary and nobody cares what you put in the job title on your resume. It's just an indicator of your work duties. If you're officially helpdesk but in truth you did webdev the whole time and you put in your resume that you were "jr. web developer" then nobody gives a shit.
I have $750 to spend on professional expenses, I've never had this before. What do you guys usually buy? Any good subscriptions? Books? I'm a senior software dev.
>>92194233> I rewrote 100% of his code base in a little over a month. Clearly he's an amateur.Generally the tone of this makes you sound hostile, egotistical and generally difficult to deal with. If you can’t see that in your writing you’re beyond help.
>>92194324can blame 4chan most other social media sites for this too. >dude I'm le wfh and "work" 5 minutes a day and make 250k
>>92194366I doubt anyone here has ever had something like that. But it's probably best to use it on certs or other credential grind costs.
>>92194366could get yourself a nice chair, steelcase or herman miller aeron
>>92194378I know people who fit this profile and I know they're not lying because I was hanging out with them for most of the day while being a NEET.
>>92194371>comes to this conclusion based on a snarky reply to a shitpostOk Freud
>>92194411>Herman Millerare they legitimately worth it or are they just overhyped? I hear about them a lot, but that's a lot of money to spend on a chair.
>>92194411>herman miller aeron>$750
>>92194449My back problems completely disappeared after sitting in a Herman Miller for 6 months but I jumped directly from a shitty Ikea chair so I couldn't tell you if a mid-range chair would have the same effect.
>>92194366I always buy expensive ass headphones
>>92194451My Secretlab was 600$ best purchase I ever made plus it looks cool. I can sleep on this c hairI actually bought a 100$ chair and after 8 hours of sitting in it, my butt was sore, legs fell asleep. Posture bad. People think these chairs are novelty, but they are really good for you.
>>92194449I prefer steelcase leaps but I've had an aeron before and they're nice. Why cheap out if you're gonna sit at a desk 40 hours a week?>>92194451you can find refurbished ones on ebay or chairish for ~500$
Help me out /twg/, I've told my friends group about my interest in IT and they're all suddenly trying to get into it too. I tell them about the Comptia and Cisco certs but I'm still learning as an absolute newbie too. What do?
>>92194565Tell them if they give hundreds of dollars to Cisco and CompTIA for certs, it's bound to set them apart from the hundreds of thousands of people who did as well
Speaking of certs, does anyone have any as a SWE? Are any of the Azure/AWS certs worth picking up? Any Microsoft certs worth looking into?
>>92194451>>92194523Where the fuck do you live where those chairs cost only so little?Here in europoorland they are 1.4k€ (half of a monthly senior swe salary)
>>92191778I have been learnign to code for 2 months when do you think i should start applying for jobs?
>>92194517True, but you don't need to go all the way to HM, aeron or steelcase. There's that one memechair that's cheaper that /g/ often recommends, don't recall the name. Anyway I got that one and it was more than enough of a night and day difference compared to the cheap ikea chair I also used before that. Just like you mention, I couldn't sit on ti for much more than 4 hours without a break.
>>92194767When you have a degree and 10 more years of programming behind you.
>>92194814you don't need a degree
>>92194924It's either a degree, nepotism, or black skin. No other option.
How do anti-botnet privacy types cope with putting their identity on job hunting sites while sending off their personal information to hundreds of potential employers and being permanently logged in their databases?
>>92194767As soon as you can build and deploy something like what you want to be working on.webdev = when you have built a fairly complex website and know how to admin it etcgame dev = you made a game good enough to publish to steam and sell for spare changebackend = idk backendfags chime in
What is better for your resume? Staying at a single company for longer or job hopping every 1-2 years? My only goal I currently have is escaping this miserable country, which I want to achieve within the next 3-5 years.
>>92195106>backend = idk backendfags chime ini'm gonna assume he's doing basic CRUD web dev shit, since that's 99% of us here. i'd say when you have a solid grasp on your language of choice, can write an actual REST API, have working knowledge of an ORM, and can understand how to separate out your backend into a 3-tiered architecture. that's more than enough for junior level roles.
>>92194015Like I said, the 1 YoE is just on paper (time difference between finishing degree and now). I've worked for that company since 2018, just mostly part time while getting my degree, which (at least in my country doesn't count for your "official" YoE).
>>92195128i don't think it matters. what you should factor in is what is best for your bank account, which is undoubtedly job hopping every few years. you'll receive the biggest bump in TC that way as opposed to receiving annual raises and promotions at the same company.
>>92195232Money is completely irrelevant for me as I have no use for it.
>>92195266alright then quit your job then in that case, retard
I’m trapped, have no place to go. This is hell, too late for me. Kill me in Minecraft.
>>92195283To do what? Stare at my wall the entire day? No thanks.
>>92195311You're the perfect goycattle.
>>92195311free yourself from the wagie grind. why code for a company when you can code for yourself
>>92195333company provides me with infrastructure, equipment, sales, marketing, and other teams for free. I earn 50% of what I generate for the company based on their earnings per SWE. It's a good partnership. This is the difference between me and a wageslave.
Credit suisse collapsed. UBS is buying them for $2b. Banking crisis is only accelerating, and it's already far worse than 2008.
>>92195736AG Deutsch expects UBS to require a bailout by august.
>>92195711Better be ready for the upcoming waves of layoffs.
>>92195808some bank I never heard of in germany won't affect my job
>just work for an investment bank bro
>>92195945Switzerland's biggest and second biggest bank.Also all these banks are interconnected because (You)r bank holds bonds and shares in credit suisse. $17b worth of CS bonds have now become worthless, as have ~$8b of CS shares. That's not including the derivatives.
>>92194657>give hundreds of dollars to Cisco>it's bound to set them apart from the hundreds of thousands of people who did as wellThis but unironically with the CCNA
This dropped 7 minutes ago.This is about as bad as telling everyone we have about 3 months before a global market collapse to $0.
>>92196206the west fallsthe east rises
>>92196206What does in layman terms?
>>92196344No, china is just as fucked. Iran and russia are in the most solid positions right now. Japan has a 99% chance of declaring bankruptcy by 2024 because they're turbo-extra-overleveraged on US bonds due to having printed money nonstop since the late 80's to stop their market from collapsing on itself.
>>92196423I'm greatly oversimplifying it, but basically it means there isn't enough money in the world to prevent banks from collapsing so they're basically increasing the supply 7x.
>>92196429yeah yeah america number 1 isreal number 1 america is perfect chlorine in the air is safe blah blah blah
>>92196206the poorer everyone else is, the richer I am