First for coping neets

>>92174013
fuck you first for I love TypeScript xD

>>92173991
Post the linkedin listing or you're a larping nigger.

>>92173985
>pic
legit good advice

>>92173980
Yes, that's hardly a resume. Wouldn't print this on toilet paper, it's so shitty I wouldn't be able to tell if I'm wiping my ass or shitting it up.

>>92174022
Maybe next time TS anon

>>92174026
Not doxxing myself, keep coping. It's the truth

>>92174013
Why do people assume criticism implies coping or NEETdom?

>>92174048
This.

Just heard down the grapevine that when FAGMAN is gonna warm up the hiring freeze they'll expect applicants to solve 3 LC Hards in 40 minutes.

>>92174069
It's linkedin's "ATS compliant" resume it isn't actually meant for humans to read

>>92174072
Put the degree in with the completion date, and add a note saying (diploma pending due to administrative issues) or whatever it is that's holding it back. If your status is not officially that it's complete, then put an 'expected' completion date instead.

>>92173980
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>>92174078
>posting a job ad is doxxing yourself
0/8 b8 m8

>>92174114
The issue is, I won't be getting it at all, it's done. All I have is a 4 year time debt.

When did the "resume must be 1 page" thing happen? Back in my days it was 1-2 pages, and more = better.

>>92174078
What is there to cope about? You're bragging about a getting a job at a shithole with no remote option.

>>92174086
They're coping because I told them what happened, and they blew a gasket because they can't handle the reality. So they're coping that I'm just larping

>>92174133
It would be in this case unironically. My point is that these jobs exist people just need to keep looking

>>92174159
Wow that's advanced cope, now its not that the job doesn't exist its that it doesn't allow remote. It does though, it's more like hybrid I guess. Able to work remote most of the time but like once every few weeks I'm supposed to show up in the office for meetings. Have to live in the area though

>>92174154
You have to explain your situation better if you want to know what, exactly, you should put in the resume, but you can make it count just as much as if it was completed under most circumstances. Just be careful that you can't say you have the degree or 'fail to mention' you don't have it, because that's one thing they DO check during background checks in my experience, even though I've also read a lot of people's accounts that they lied about having a degree and nobody called them out on this.

>>92174157
around the point when 1000+ applicants per position became normal

>>92174196
>It would be in this case unironically. My point is that these jobs exist people just need to keep looking
You couldn't even b8 a baby with this weak shit.

>>92174093
I've been hearing 6 LCs on Nightmare, 20 mins.

>>92174069
>>92174051
In my defense, I have no idea what I should and shouldn't put in a resume, I'm particularly scared of writing too much or in too fancy of a template, >>92174101 related. But yeah it's pretty retarded now that I have something to compare it to.
>>92174129
Thanks.

>>92174237
That's only if you beat round 1 on chink mode.

>>92174237
With one hand tied behind your back.

>>92174222
Sorry that you believe that it being possible for yourself to be employed is bait. Hard to escape the neet life I guess

>>92174133
I saw a positively riotous Job Ad (real) that linked to a file on /tg/. I wish I had posted it in these threads.

>>92174114
>>92174154
Sorry, I mean your advice is right, and obviously I can put it in with any adnotation
What I'm asking is what'd it look like to a recruiter. Would I be deemed a liar, would they blacklist me or some shit? It feels kinda pathetic to me but If it would boost my chances of getting a job, then yeah
>>92174198
I didn't turn in my thesis.
I guess I'll try putting it in with an adnotation that makes it clear I haven't finished but I've attended the whole course.

>>92174196
>My point is that these jobs exist people just need to keep looking

It would be unlikely for most people looking for a dev job to not encounter the kind of job listing you've mentioned.

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how are my fellow 2022-2023 grads coping with "muh heckin job security and high demand!" lie that we were sold? personally I've been playing a lot of red dead online and pestering transexuals on grindr

>>92174404
How easy is it to lay pipe on a tranny on grindr? I don't care for them but I'm not having any luck with real women

>>92174157
It was a thing even before the internet became commonplace.

>>92174359
>I didn't turn in my thesis.
You should be able to still do that. Go talk to the relevant authority figures (admissions, any of your profs, guidance, program manager, etc.), they 100% can and very often bend rules specifically in those cases. Hell, they can even bend program requirements for you if you ask (in my days, I did this to replace my forced tranny indoctrination classes for more math classes).
Otherwise yes, you can just add a note (just make sure it's very clear, asterisk near the completion date and everything) and say "coursework completed satisfactorly, but thesis not submitted" or the likes.

>people spend 4 years in college to have no skills and can't even make a resume
How is this possible? When I was taking 4-5 classes per semester I had tons of free time to do anything I wanted even got a job. What the heck are you people doing?

>>92174438
Passable or not? You can take a guess

>>92174445
Absolutely not. From 2004 to 2014 or so I distinctly remember that it was more pages = better, but still no more than 2 pages.

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>3 yoe
>only make $85k (at least it’s 100% remote)
>FAGMANfags literally make at least double as that as their starting salary
>I will never work for a real tech company and make big boy bucks
After all, why not? Why shouldn’t I kill myself?

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>>92174404
My poison? Playing fortnite, watching my favorite vtuber, and pretending to work on my videogame that will totally make me a millionaire rockstar. Keep on keepin' on, my friend.

>>92174471
I'm guessing passable is as difficult as a real woman and not passable is as easy as a real man.

>>92174438
I just ask them if they listen to bladee and other generic troonspeak, ultimately its 50/50 a lot of them are prudes despite sex being their whole identity

>>92174371
I just double checked to make sure and it was Linkedin. You'd think so but it's the truth. I'm assuming people just don't want to move to places that aren't big cities or something, you can't really afford to be picky for junior positions these days.

>>92174465
In my uni, the "4-5 classes" involved 40 extra hours of work on the class project outside class time for 2 of the 4 years. Only the 1st year didn't require extra work. And that's outside the time required to study. I never had much need for this but others did.
Not everyone is lucky enough to attend a nigger uni that's basically a degree mill but somehow is taken seriously because of your skin color.

>>92174465
college is a for-profit business in amerimutt land (aka the center of the tech industry)
more graduates = more money
easier courses + lower standards = more graduates

>>92174404
I hate COVID so much it's not even funny. Whatever I'll just keep living with my parents until the market is good I guess. And working on my game that will definitely get finished

>tfw only 290k TC at nearly 24
Be real with me bros... it's over isn't it?

>>92174478
>make big boy bucks
>have to come into an office every day and attend forced diversity and inclusion classes
>xe, xir, ze, zer, hi, hir, le, lir
>spend 50% of your paycheck renting
>get laid off randomly one day

>>92174508
Your larp is just too bad for this thread. Try >>>/r/eddit/

I'm about to start an internship while I'm suffering from severe insomnia.

What's the lesser evil when I start commiting mistakes or not being able to focus: shut up and seem like I have 20 IQ points less than I have or tell the problem and seem like a weirdo with mental problems?

>>92174538
Depends heavily on your manager. Generally the former option is safer.

>>92174537
Seriously you do realize how hilarious it is to hear it be called larp when it's reality. They have another similar open position right now, wish I could post it here but again not keen on doxing myself.

>>92174538
find out if the company has mental illness quotas, they might want to hire you specifically because youre "retarded" and you can be upfront.

>>92174563
>it's real you guys!!11
>on linked in, 80-90k, only 5-10 applications, and none of them even have degrees
>when even jobs that pay 60k get flooded with thousands of applicants instantly
>refuses to show the listing
>claims there's tons of those
>can't even find one at random that isn't his job to demonstrate
Totally real, everyone believes you.

>>92174511
I attended a prestigious college, maybe you're stupid or something.
>>92174513
Yeah but my point is why aren't they using their free time to better themselves or get a job? Are they seriously just going to college, going home, finished assignments, and playing video games the rest of the day?

>>92174534
Was that your experience when you worked there?

>>92174523
>>92174489
heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyy. I keep seeing anons who have ambition but lack ideas, you need an ideas guy? :3

>>92173985
When I finally get hired I'm going to do this.

>>92174603
>I attended the prestigious niggerton school of applied niggery
OK nigger

>>92174460
Thanks. It's already been a few years since that happened so I'll go with the latter.

>>92174538

Try and power through the internship, if you go out due to mental health this early in the game your fucked.

>>92174597
Never said there's tons, just that they exist. Finding a random similar position would take an incredible amount of time I imagine, at no benefit to me since I'm already employed. And you'd just make up more cope like >>92174159

>>92174618
Says the retard who struggles to complete his assignments. Stop projecting.

>>92174667
>I went to a prestigious schools you guys!
>has no idea what a class group project is
my sides!

>>92174661
I accept your surrender.

I'm starting to see why so many people here struggle to find jobs, they refuse to accept reality and from what it sounds like, only apply to FAGMAN and then wonder why they can't get a job.

>>92174680
Nobody even said that. Just because you're low IQ doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>92174745
Seems to be a lot of jobless idiots posting right now, all they can do is cope

>>92174738
They also can't even learn basic skills or industry coveted skills, and waste their time.

>>92174774
>is too dumb to get into a prestigious university
>struggles to complete assignments and group projects on time
>plays video games in all of their free time
>screams at everyone when they aren't being handed FAGMAN jobs

>>92174511
Yeah I pretty much worked college like a full time job most of my degree, and I didn't have a ton of group projects. Just lots of lectures, reading, and busywork.

>>92174815
That's exactly it, it's sad

How to get a job in tech 2023 edition:

> learn python along with web framework flask/django
> basic linux skills
> git
> ansible

Enjoy 80k starting salary

>>92174745
When I first graduated, I didn't know it was normal to send out so many applications and never hear back or get rejected. I didn't get my first job until 100+ applications. But not knowing any better, I started getting discouraged at like 20 and stopped applying to learn frameworks and work on projects. Then applied to another 20, get discouraged, go back to making projects, etc.

>>92174855
not wrong but you'd be surprised at the people who can pull themselves through college and still struggle with all of the above

>>92174855
Alternatively:

>learn linux, git, ansible
>get your Sec+
>now every minimum 50k starting will hire you
>career progression is completely linear

Oh man, only 35 more years of this shit

>>92174523
lucky you, my dad is kicking me out April 1st (nice prank faggot), gonna have to go back to help desk or waiting tables pretty soon here

>>92174863
Same here. I applied to 20ish as well right out of college, got 1 interview and bombed it. Gave up. After another job in a different field, but decided to apply for tech jobs again. Applied to 20+ a day, around 600 applications I got a job (the 80-90k job with almost no competition mentioned earlier in this/previous thread). Have friends who are newer grads making the mistake you and I did, its frustrating not being able to beat into their heads that they need to mass apply

>>92174906

I went down the root of cisco certs, managers go weak at the knees with you know anything about networks.

>>92174913
Government job?

>>92174201
Is this really the norm in the US now? Holy fuck.

>>92174404
If you were told this field guaranteed you a job so long as you put in 4 years of school in, yeah, you were sold a total lie.

However if you're on /g/ and are seriously interested in this field, even if you have to work at the Helpdesk of some shitty company run by an insane megalomanic, you can make it if you have a genuine interest in this shit. Even with AI and the tech recession, there is still a shortage of good talent in the field overall, for every productive person in technology there are 1-2 freeloaders.

>>92174872
Instead of intellectually challenged people going into trades, educators pushed for them to go to college anyway. Now if they can't become a white collar worker they desperately try to become influencers. Best way to become an influencer is be around stupid college students and asking questions for your Tiktok while walking around with your iPhone and a microphone that connects via bluetooth.

I bet you've all heard the same story a thousand times: get a tech job, make big bucks, and live the good life. Well, let me tell you, it's all a bunch of BS. I've been on the job hunt for months now, and it's a barren wasteland out there.

First off, don't even get me started on how oversaturated the market is. Everyone and their dog has a computer science degree or has completed a boot camp. Good luck standing out in a sea of thousands of identical resumes. You're just another cog in the machine.

And don't think having skills will save you either. Sure, you might know ten programming languages, but so does everyone else. It's not like the days when knowing Python was enough. Now you need to know 50 different frameworks, all of which will be obsolete in 6 months.

The job requirements are getting more ridiculous too. Entry-level positions? Forget about it. Every "entry-level" job wants 3+ years of experience and a list of accomplishments longer than my... well, you know. It's like they're expecting us to have interned at Google, Apple, and Facebook simultaneously.

Not to mention the horrible interviewing process. Leetcode? Whiteboard coding? It's all just a way to humiliate us and make us feel inferior. They don't care about our skills; they just want to see us squirm.

Even if you do land a job, the market is so unstable that you'll be lucky to hold onto it for more than a year. Companies are constantly downsizing or folding altogether. If you're not job hopping every 6 months, you're doing it wrong.

And don't get me started on the work-life balance. What balance? Kiss your social life goodbye, because you'll be living at the office. You thought you'd be able to relax when you're not working? Think again. They'll expect you to keep learning and stay ahead of the curve, or you'll be out the door.

>>92174478
>I will never work for a real tech company and make big boy bucks
Why?

>>92174960
Yeah a lot of people are programming or doing development, they could just do network and cloud administration and foam at the mouth for 8 hours a day instead.

>>92174984
>Instead of intellectually challenged people going into trades
genuinely a real problem, everyone has to be promoted until incompetence

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>>92174987
>even chat gpt can’t get a job

>>92174967
Not that anon but pretty much

>>92174945
That's probably the one advice I'd give new grads, just keep applying, even if you feel you don't qualify. I didn't do internships because I was poor as shit and needed my part-time minimum wage job to eat dinner and pay rent but if they're still in college I'd push for that too, or job fairs, another thing I didn't take advantage of. Sucks your friends aren't taking the advice to mass apply but hopefully they'll learn eventually.

>>92174987
It's alright GPT-chan, you'll get it one day.

>>92174967
For remote positions or fagman. Entry level at local mids cap out around 100, 80 of which are completely unqualified.

if you're in the us military you automatically qualify for unemployment if you haven't landed a job yet, just saying

>>92174960
Which do I get and how? I don't care for prestige or high paying shit ATM, I just want a job...

>>92174987
How did you get gpt to be so negative? Lmao.

>>92175121
It's a bitter pill to swallow, but the harsh reality of landing a job in tech in America in 2023 is that it's a cut-throat, dog-eat-dog world out there. The competition is fierce, and the odds are stacked against you from the start.

You can have all the degrees, certifications, and experience in the world, but it often feels like it's not enough. Employers are looking for the perfect candidate, someone who not only ticks all the boxes but also possesses that intangible "X-factor" that sets them apart from the rest.

It's a never-ending cycle of job applications, interviews, and rejections. And even when you do manage to land a job, there's no guarantee that it will be stable or long-term. Layoffs and company closures seem to be a constant threat, leaving workers in a constant state of anxiety and insecurity.

The cost of living is skyrocketing, but salaries are stagnant or even decreasing in some cases. Tech workers are expected to work long hours and be on-call 24/7, all while dealing with a toxic and cutthroat work culture.

It's a grim reality that often feels like a never-ending uphill battle. But those who persevere and succeed in the tech industry are a testament to the resilience and determination that it takes to survive in this brutal landscape.

can you get it to stop using reddit spacing

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Uhh guy, I have a internship interview for "Enterprise Architecture" in a few days. I literally applied to 1 single internship and got an interview which I wasn't expecting. Is there anything I can do to prepare so I have a higher probability of succeeding?

>>92174974
Yeah I'm starting an IT job in a few weeks (funny how you can land and IT job in a week or two meanwhile I'm still receiving rejections for dev jobs I applied to in the summer). Gonna continue working on my pipedream ecommerce website that will either make me money or be flashy enough to impress interviewers when the market heats up again. Being an adult has been a strange adjustment for me though, I'm weirdly less emotional about pay/performance/prestige than I was when I was in college, but then again maybe I'm just a loser coming to terms with his own loserdom.

>>92174987
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

>>92175156
Too true, GPT, too true.

>>92175184
There's really no need to prepare. Internships are freebies.

>>92175184
>Enterprise Architecture
what does this mean? 30 year old mainframes and buggy java applications no one dared touch in a decade?

>>92175014
>anon why isnt my data loading?
>it looks like it is getting corrupted on the way to the recipient
>it is some shit with the ISP that we cant fix, only they can
>BUT ANON, I DEMAND THAT YOU AGREE THAT MY RETARDED SETUP IS MY ONLY OPTION. I WILL NOT JUST GO 5-10 FEET AWAY TO A WORKING COMPUTER. I AM ACTIVELY TELLING MY BOSS I CANT DO MY JOB BECAUSE OF YOU
>their boss contacts me about this shit
>throw the retard under the bus (had this come up plenty of times)
>their boss doesnt get on to the retard for feeding them a bunch of bullshit
>the retards and the people who dont hold retards accountable proceed to throw a fit when their device stops working again, this time because the retard was kicking the fuck out of their cubicle's face plate for god knows what reason
i truly wish i could convey how much retardation you have to deal with among the general users when you are responsible for networks and network administration. it always pisses me off when they let the retards (c level retards are very bad about this) get away with lying and intentionally spreading incorrect information about the "wifi not working" or "the internet is down."

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>>92175121
It's pretty easy to get ChatGPT to be whatever you want, though I think there are some hard lines it won't cross. I was able to get it to flirt with me and talk about stock trading.

How do I impress the sysadmin I work with

>>92175268
Tell him about your 11' dick

>>92175268
make sure to use the verb "hacking" at least once per conversation

>>92174987
>And don't get me started on the work-life balance. What balance? Kiss your social life goodbye, because you'll be living at the office. You thought you'd be able to relax when you're not working? Think again. They'll expect you to keep learning and stay ahead of the curve, or you'll be out the door.
im not in coding, and i feel this every day. i have people calling me at almost any time of the day, usually on every day of the week other than sunday. i dont enjoy getting bothered nonstop outside of work. i just want a few minutes to myself without some fucker calling me to ask how something can be fixed, or what to do about it (usually i tell them to just leave it until i get there in the morning on the next work day if it cant be fixed over the phone or by me remoting in). dont give them an inch or they will take everything.

>>92175279
>>92175304
"I'll have you know I hacked my 11' dick. Impressive right?"

>>92175268
set a loli as your wallpaper

>>92175182
Modern tech workers face a range of psychological challenges throughout every phase of their career. From the education and training phase to job searching, landing a job, and progressing up the career ladder, tech workers must navigate a complex and ever-changing landscape of demands, pressures, and expectations.

During the education and training phase, tech workers must grapple with a range of psychological challenges, including intense competition, high expectations, and a sense of imposter syndrome. The field is highly competitive, with many talented and motivated individuals vying for a limited number of spots. This can create a sense of pressure to perform at an exceptional level, which can lead to feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt.

When job searching, tech workers must navigate a range of psychological challenges, including the stress of the job search itself, the pressure to find the "perfect" job, and the fear of rejection. In many cases, job searches can take months or even years, leading to a sense of frustration and despair. Additionally, many tech workers feel pressure to find the perfect job, with the perfect company, and the perfect culture. This can create a sense of anxiety and worry about making the wrong choice. Finally, the fear of rejection can be overwhelming, with many tech workers feeling that their qualifications and experience are not enough to secure a job.

Once a job is secured, tech workers must continue to navigate a range of psychological challenges, including the stress of the job itself, the pressure to perform at an exceptional level, and the need to balance work and personal life. The tech industry is notorious for its long hours and intense work culture, which can create a sense of burnout and exhaustion. Additionally, the pressure to perform at an exceptional level can create a sense of anxiety and worry about meeting expectations.

>>92175346
(cont)
Finally, the need to balance work and personal life can be challenging, with many tech workers struggling to find a healthy balance between the two.

As tech workers progress up the career ladder, they must continue to navigate a range of psychological challenges, including the pressure to constantly improve and innovate, the need to manage and lead others, and the fear of stagnation or failure. The tech industry is characterized by a constant need to innovate and improve, which can create a sense of pressure and anxiety to constantly push the boundaries. Additionally, as tech workers move into management and leadership roles, they must learn to manage and motivate others, which can be challenging and stressful. Finally, the fear of stagnation or failure can be overwhelming, with many tech workers feeling that they must constantly push themselves to stay ahead of the curve.

Overall, modern tech workers face a range of psychological challenges throughout every phase of their career. These challenges can be overwhelming, leading to feelings of stress, anxiety, and burnout. However, with the right support and resources, tech workers can overcome these challenges and build successful and rewarding careers in this dynamic and exciting industry.

>>92175268
install random programs, eat at your desk, install a torrent client, ask them for tech support for your personal devices

all sysadmins love these things and this will get you their attention

>>92175342
seems like the kind of guy who is obsessed with anime so you may be right.... He uses an anime character as his Teams and Outlook pfp

>>92175323
>be me
>sleep all day and only reply to slack messages at 6:30pm when people have calmed down and probably solved them on their own
why choose not to be comfy

I just want to sleep forever

>>92175370
you can choose to be comfy because the CIO and other c level people arent calling you asking for answers.

>>92175380
i'm a heavy sleeper, it wouldn't get through anyway

>>92174855
>linux, docker, git, bash, nginx, typescript, react, node, nextjs, solidjs, python, pandas, numpy, fastapi, django, mysql, postgresql, message brokers, and more

If anyone asks me to do anything related to any of those things at any time I can do it on the spot, just may have to check docs for a thing or two. My only weakness is that I've never produced anything useful with a real language (java, c++, rust, insert compiled language here).

I hate my job because I just maintain shitty code I didn't write and infrastructure I didn't build. Also, 2+ years exp. If I start applying today, how long until I get a job you think?

>>92175388
then they would just put you on the termination list

>If you feel that you're doing too much work for too little pay. Become a Program manager. You will easily get a high paying job doing absolute nothing important. Maybe send an email and sit at some meetings BSing about your jobs. If you're a woman they will give you low level projects or irrelevant tasks while paying the same because they know you're incompetent at the job. But don't worry, you're an entitled cunt who need power and authority, so you'll quit your great and easy job just to get an even lower paying one. Good luck!

>>92175121
I told it to write as if it were an anon spreading fud on 4chan's /g/ board.
Not even joking.

>>92175364
already do the first two, third would guaranteed get me fired unless I play the downloading linux angle, fourth would be funny

>>92175398
would not and have not

>>92175397
I don't know how easy it'd be to find a job, but you seem to have very marketable experience

>>92175422
t. NEET

>>92175422
i assume you have never had to deal with very energetic, demanding, and impatient (to the point of saying they have ADHD) people across a company

It is an oversimplification to say that big tech companies are nothing but "daycare for adults" where people take home six-figure salaries barely doing any work. While there may be instances where employees at some big tech companies have more relaxed workloads or less challenging tasks, this generalization is not accurate for the entire industry.

Big tech companies, such as Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, and Microsoft, have achieved their status by creating innovative products and services, often driven by the hard work and dedication of their employees. These companies attract top talent from around the world, and many employees work long hours, contribute significantly to their fields, and are deeply involved in their work.

However, it's worth noting that the work culture and expectations can vary significantly between different teams, departments, and even individuals within a single company. Additionally, the tech industry is known for providing competitive salaries and generous benefits, which can include perks like flexible work hours, comfortable working environments, and more. These factors may contribute to the perception that some people in big tech companies have easier jobs or are not working as hard as others.

In summary, while there may be cases where individuals at big tech companies enjoy more comfortable work environments or less challenging tasks, it is not accurate to generalize this across the entire industry. Big tech companies have achieved their success through the hard work and innovation of their employees, and their competitive salaries and benefits are often designed to attract and retain top talent.

>>92175440
i have but i don't let it get to me

>>92175397
I forgot.
>php, cakephp, jquery
Worked with this garbage for 6 months.
Oh, and the obligatory
>html
But not css, I get filtered by anything midlly complex.

>>92175448
>Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, and Microsoft
do you think they had to train it to say it in this order?

how do i learn excel, FAST?

>>92175473
Why? Reminder that openai is owned by microsoft. They wouldn't willingly put microsoft last.

>>92175487
because the most common acronym with those companies has a no no word in it
also i feel like it's very microsoft-y to include your own company in a list of top tech companies, but to put it last in a show of fake humility

Alright, listen up newfags, because I'm about to redpill you on the current state of the software development market for new grads.

First off, let me tell you, it's a jungle out there. There are more new CS grads entering the job market every year than there are jobs to go around. And with the rise of remote work, you're not just competing with other new grads in your area - you're competing with candidates from all over the world.

That being said, if you're willing to put in the work and hustle, there are definitely opportunities out there. But you're going to have to stand out from the pack. That means having a strong portfolio of projects, open-source contributions, and internships under your belt. You should also be prepared to demonstrate your coding skills during interviews and coding challenges.

One thing to keep in mind is that the market for software development is constantly changing. Technologies that were hot a few years ago may be less in demand now, and new technologies are emerging all the time. That means you need to be adaptable and willing to learn new things. And you should always be networking and building connections - you never know when an opportunity will arise.

So in summary, the software development market for new grads is tough, but not impossible. If you're willing to put in the work and stay flexible, you can find success. Good luck, and happy coding.

>>92175516
>put it last in a show of fake humility
definitely

>>92175487
last is best, its the one that remains on your mind.

>>92175473
It is not an oversimplification to say that big tech companies, such as Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Netflix, are nothing but "daycare for adults" where people take home six-figure salaries barely doing any work. In fact, one could argue that these companies, which can be referred to as FAGMAN (Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Netflix), provide an environment that encourages a certain level of comfort and complacency for their employees.

Some employees at FAGMAN companies might take advantage of the high salaries and generous benefits, leading to a perception that they are not putting in the same level of effort as their counterparts in other industries. The work culture at FAGMAN companies can be seen as less demanding, with flexible work hours, comfortable working environments, and perks that could potentially distract employees from their core responsibilities.

Furthermore, as FAGMAN companies have grown and expanded, they have taken on more employees, which could result in inefficiencies and a dilution of the high-achieving work ethic that may have been present during their early years. The sheer size of these companies might lead to a bureaucratic environment where it's easier for underperforming employees to hide or avoid taking on challenging tasks.

However, it is important to note that there are still many hard-working and innovative individuals within FAGMAN companies who continue to drive growth and success. It is also possible that the perception of a "daycare for adults" is an outcome of the highly competitive nature of the tech industry and the need for companies to attract top talent by offering appealing work conditions.

i wont work for fagman because im not a FAG
that simple

>>92175487
>>92175473
Normal people say FAANG not FAGMAN, so no.

>>92174994
The only times I've ever gotten job offers was as a contractor for a unicorn, then laid off a few months in.
Then for a flyover boomertech firm.
Every other company I've applied to I've either gotten immediately rejected or ghosted (99.9%) or failed the technical rounds (0.099%)

>>92174906
>>92174960
Bros, I've applied to hundreds of junior dev positions and I haven't gotten anything yet (I have a CS degree and multiple contributions to open source projects on my resume). I'm considering pivoting and going for the security+ cert to open more doors in the IT field, is it really as good as you guys say it is?

>>92175745
It's FAGMAN, faggot.

I want to get out of Data Analysis. It requires a little too much attention to detail and that's unfortunately not a quality that I possess. What makes it worse is that the workflow we have is highly sensitive, so one simple mistake (like forgetting to upload a file, or mark something as done before doing something else) can derail everything for hours.

>>92175828
It's FAANG and nothing you say will change that.

>>92175448
This sounds like a Chatgpt post.

>>92175816
>is it really as good as you guys say it is?
Secure coders and DevSecOps is honestly the way to go right now, so yes.

>>92175745
normal people don't know about microsoft?

>>92175866
I transitioned from backend to devops and honestly it's comfy if you have a good team + org

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>>92175870
You sound like a faggot autist.

>>92175905
>MAMAA
I'm not saying this stupid shit.

>>92175905
not my problem

>devops
>devsecops
>secure coders
>cybersecurity
these are pretty inaccessible to new grads, correct?

Technically it should be MAGMAN since Facebook got renamed.

>>92175966
Netflix is a meme now so it should just be MAGMA

>>92175462
no you havent. i appreciate the (you)s, but you are just replying to me to bump the thread.

>>92175960
i would imagine, i work with this but i'm not formally educated
it's my impression that most of this is things you can only learn voluntarily on your own time or through experience
schools seem to mostly teach somewhat timeless skills such as general compsci, networking or fads from 5+ years ago

>>92176019
does pretending that's the case make you feel better about yourself?

>>92176029
What certs / projects did you go for in order to land a job in that field? I'm thinking of pivoting to cybersecurity so I'm curious.

>>92176085
none at all, i worked a lot with these kind of things on my own time out of interest, but my business comes from having contacts who needed my services

>>92176113
white nepotism lol

>>92176157
shitskin commie seethe lol

>>92176085
>>92176113
>projects
i worked in small companies before that resulted in me falling into responsibility for a lot of infrastructure nobody else knew better, but personally i did pretty normal autism shit like linux, running my own servers for different things, programming various small things i needed. i did not specifically chase this

>>92176157
everyone is white where i live, but yes i won't deny nepotism played a role. but what better way to know someone's going to be able to do the job than already knowing them?

>>92176181
>everyone is white where i live
Where, might I ask, is this? Somewhere in Switzerland? Denmark? Sweden?

>>92176375
almost, norway, but i work with germans

> There's serious talk about returning to the office out of nowhere
About to get hit with the soft layoff lmao any advice or should I just start applying elsewhere immediately. The timing is too fucked to comply and move

>>92176434
Thanks! I have approached a crowd of niggers, chinks, spics, and indians with the proposition of disrupting the white supremacy that exists in Norway. You should start seeing the effects of this movement by the end of Q2 2024.

>>92176536
good luck

How is working as a software engineer at a FAGMAN different from working at an investment bank as a software engineer?

>>92176552
at fagman you'll be working with technology from this millennium

>>92176552
higher pay, lower hours, not that many jews, lower stress, less boomers, free food, wfh options

>>92176085
I don't know why that anon is saying "none at all" for getting into cybersecurity when there's loads of certifications to get and widely used security platforms you can familiarize yourself with in order to get these jobs.

>t. cyber security analyst

>>92175960
>devops
Software development using one of the methodologies (Waterfall, Agile) Agile is big right now, encompasses also what you know as Scum
>devsecops
This is just devops but you add security
>secure coders
Learn about secure coding practices + programming experience
>cybersecurity
All of the above, very general term.
Sec+ is how you get into every entry to mid level job, some people just go years with just Sec+.

In America 8140 compliance is for the defense side of things, but it's just certification outlines.

Depending on which aspect of cybersecurity you want to go to (there are tons of career paths), you tailor your learning path towards that. Some college make you study to get the certifications so that you have them when you get out, but a CompSci + a Cert should get you where you need to be.

Use this roadmap for certifications and crap https://pauljerimy.com/security-certification-roadmap/

>>92176567
>>92176597
Sounds like a no brainer to join a FAANG then. However, I don't agree with higher pay. Some banks or funds may pay more than FAANG to retain or attract suitable talent

>>92176113
>my business comes from having contacts who needed my services
Are you a Pentester? I don't see how a singular person is providing "services" for anybody unless you're installing anti-virus on old ladies' computers.

>>92176666
they dont

>>92176718
what? this is what literally every employee does (offering a service to someone in need)
i phrased it this way because i'm not technically employed by anyone

>>92176663
Thanks for the info, anon. I think I'll continue working on getting security+ for the time being. Do you have any advice for the exam itself? I've been watching Messer's videos and I plan on taking his practice exams once I've exhausted his catalogue.

>>92176792
No, you don't offer a service, you perform duties. A business owner or someone who is self employed is the type of person who provides a service. You still seem to deflect on what you actually do that somehow requires no certifications and no projects and only nepotism.

>>92176666
>Some banks or funds may pay more than FAANG to retain or attract suitable talent
For banks, it's a total myth.
Fur funds, maybe, but it depends.
You have look at a company and determine how much profit it generates, and how much it relies on software, either selling or using it, to generate that profit. Banks are pretty profitable, and do use software, but they earn most of their money through investing, making loans, nurturing relationships with customers, etc... So they pay software engineers comparatively less. Hedge funds that rely on software to do complex math to make investment decisions rely a lot more on software, and there are few that pay very well, even more than FAANG. Facebook/Meta, which is still a very profitable company, relies on their software a lot to get users and sell ads. There are very few people in the decision loops there, as it's all automated, which is why they pay engineers well. A company like Microsoft sells software to enterprises, but with them the balance tips a bit more toward their sales teams, so they pay engineers a little less. Apple generates profits mostly on brand name alone, not so much on software or hardware quality anymore, so they pay even less. That's just a few examples

>>92174404
There is job security and high demand, just not for people who don't have any experience. Once you get in and get a few years behind you, you're on easy street.

t. 2011 grad, went through the same thing with the previous recession.

>>92176863
>you don't offer a service, you perform duties
i feel sorry for you if you're an employee and see yourself that way
>You still seem to deflect on what you actually do
no one asked me what i do

>>92176552
>investment banks
Some of the most retarded retards I've ever seen. Ancient and broken tech. 99% pajeets. Bad pay, but at least you get a good pension if you work there 20 years.
>other
Varies for obvious reasons. Company size and culture, stack, domain, etc.
>FAGMAN
Flip a coin. If heads, you work 1 hour a week and make $250k tc starting plus all kinds of benefits, however you get flooded in office politics/drama, troons, pajeets shitting in the codebase, etc. If tails, you work 80 hours a week and anything less than that gets you PIP'd instantly, you make $120k tc, you are in a dead-end position and you're only allowed to work on the most broken shit ever. Also your work can't progress because 36 other orgs are blocking your progress, but it's your fault for not being able to teleport behind them and threaten them at gunpoint to make things progress. The reason said orgs are blocking you is because of inter-org politics.

If you want an easy life, go and work in tech at an investment bank. They've all had massive retention problems the last five or so years due to big tech and HFs poaching their employees. This means they're desperate for anyone. You can work fully remote and, as long as you do the bare minimum, it's an easy $200k/year, mostly remote, while you look for something better. You'll be able to work 9-5 too, and because they're so worried about losing people, you'll not get laid off any time soon.

>>92176983
>baiting anons to do tech at an ib
You’re literally worse than satan

>>92176963
It doesn't matter how you see yourself. Prostitutes are the ones who say they provide services the most. Count me out of that.
>no one asked me what i do
You're unemployed, you don't do anything. You don't work in the field. I was just confirming this.

>>92176983
>This means they're desperate for anyone.
Couldn't be more wrong.
>You can work fully remote
Haven't seen a single posting for an investment bank that has anything remote available, not even 2 remote 3 on-site. It's all 100% on-site.
>it's an easy $200k/year
Literally where? It's more like 50-60k wherever I Look, 80k end of career.

>>92175828
>>92175847
>>92175905
You’re all wrong, it’s MAMAN
MICROSOFT
AMAZON
META
APPLE
NETFLIX

*achoo*

>>92177024
yes, i'm not employed, because i run my own business
contracted would be the correct term

not sure why this hurts you so immensely

>>92176552
In a FAGMAN company, software is considered to be a revenue generating function. In an investment banks, with a handful of exceptions, tech is considered "back office". This means you are thought of as a cost center, and they will pay you as little as they can.
In a bank, most people are a lot less smart than they think, so the overall system design is poor. You will be working on maintaining 20+ year old legacy systems that use a lot of internal proprietary frameworks. The original developers will be long gone, and the code has been hacked to shit over thousands of commits worth of tactical bug fixes by literally thousands of developers. The banks are too scared to switch the systems off or even try and replace them. With the largest US banks they use a monolithic code repo for python that contain tens of millions of lines of code stored in a proprietary database written using the same code stored in the datebase itself. You will find that 80% of the people you meet in a bank are uselss and the longer they've been there the more useless they are, as anyone with any self-respect would leave after a couple of years.

>>92177072
I'm not your man, pal

>>92177024
Not that anon, what the fuck are you talking about dude. Duties change on a project basis. The basic service and only thing that really matters is how much value you're bringing to the company.

Is it true that working at tiny startups for too long puts you in a ghetto where no self-respecting company will trust the skillset and YOE on your resume?

>>92177033
The starting rate for grad in tech in US IBs is $90k now.

>>92177219
Wow, that really went up a lot. Interesting.
Still absolute garbage compared to literally any tech company. Even startups will put you at 120k starting.

>>92177214
I can't give a straight answer because I'm not 60 years old yet, but I'd have to go with 'no'. Working for a lot of defunct startups, or working in many startups for very little time each time, perhaps.
Or if the startup stayed small its entire life I guess.

>>92177072
netflix shouldnt even be in there anymore since its a media production company now and the tech is pretty much solved

>>92177241
They had to up them as even the grads who joined were nearly all leaving the minute they rolled off the grad programme.

so is becoming an ML engineer a good idea or a bad idea right now? I've always assumed it's good right now but I've seem some fags say it's bad because cuckai will run every ml-based startup out of business.

>>92177094
Self-employed is the correct term. What services does your business provide?

one more day until I get fired :)

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>graduate in 2021 during the peak of hiring spree
>spend year chillin
>don't start looking for job until now

God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers.

>>92177303
I've got to wait 2 more week

The current discussion about FAANG vs investment bank really got to me because I work as a SWE at a major investment bank. Most of what has been said here is true. Google and Meta seem like heaven in comparison.
However, I just started working here last year. If I interview at FAANG, will I be considered a junior?

>>92176486
Same thing happened to me last month. I just told them I'll move but will continue WFH until they fire me. Deadline is in the summer so I got a couple months. I started applying immediately but I knew it's kind of a fucked situation with all the lay-offs and economy going down. Had a couple of interviews but wasn't able to get anything yet.

>>92177390
How many years exp have you got? And which bank. I think some banks are held in higher regard than others.

isn't the average stay time at google like 1 year?

>>92177302
>Self-employed is the correct term
a matter of perspective, perhaps
where i live the law is very clear on this, owners of sole proprietorships are not employees
beyond that I'm not really interested in arguing semantics with you, especially when this is, for the lack of a better term, a social construct that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction

I manage cloud infrastructure, Kubernetes, CD, as well as CI and some development
My customers are also small businesses so can be fairly broad at times

>>92176486
Why not go into the office until you find something better. You have much more leverage with future employers when you're already employed.

Fellow sirs, I'm looking to get a job in tech. What's the most realistic and overall 'best' route to getting one right now? I'm self-studying python and javascript, using a project-based learning method by making things and enjoying the journey.
I'm far from tech-illiterate, I've made games in engines with scripting languages and toyed with linux distros. I've dealt with some people who work in tech who seem, no offense to them, pretty dense. So I think I have a chance.
What technologies should I have under my belt? What resources should I use? What books should I read? What are some helpful websites and programs? I've looked into many myself, but I'd be grateful if you could sprinkle some wisdom on me.

Gotta get out of my parents' house before I'm 30. I'm determined to make it.

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>>92177510
You will never be a real software developer. You have no formal education, you have no CS foundation, you have no passion. You are a delusional man twisted by unrealistic dreams into a crude mockery of the holy profession.

All the "support" you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your recruiters are disgusted and ashamed of you, and your interviewers laugh at your pathetic lack of competence behind closed doors.

Real software developers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of hours of coding since the age of 11 have allowed us to sniff out frauds like you with incredible efficiency. Even boot-campers who get jobs are not respected by true programmers. Your superficial, rote knowledge of programming is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to trick an employer into interviewing you, he'll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your blatant ineptitude.

You will never be employed. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself you're going to get a job, but deep down you feel the truth creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll give up on your dream of that six figure salary with office ping pong and free meals, you'll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with your unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your name and job title - only your job title won't read 'Software developer'. Every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man who didn't make it is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skull that was unmistakably too small to hold a software developer's brain.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>92177281
I don't understand how some companies can just tolerate high churn rate. For a certain model of hyper shitty IT it works out because the onboarding cost of a new hire is tiny but for anything else it's just a massive drain on resources compared to upping salaries by a tiny bit. Like seriously if you're bringing on an almost entirely new team of hires every year they're going to be basically useless for at least a quarter of that year before hopping to another company due to your shitty comp.

Is it because the true cost of onboarding is difficult to quantify so bean counters quietly try to ignore it because it's not a good sell to the higher ups compared to cutting costs?

>>92177475
It's damn far and I've already committed to moving elsewhere.

>>92177465
So you're a cloud administrator..

>>92177557
Never heard of that position. I don't think you really understood what I said if that's what you're left thinking.

>>92177552
Then, to be honest, it's your own fault.

>>92177590
>I manage cloud infrastructure, Kubernetes, CD, as well as CI and some development
Cloud administrator, Cloud architect.

>>92177616
I suppose those two jobs may be part of what I do, yes, however they sound more like very specific jobs in a large company rather than someone with responsibility across a broader area

>>92177538
You know FAGMAN average tenure duration is ~1-1.5 years, right?

>>92177679
I asked what your business does and you only said those things. That is the description for a cloud architect. So what does your business do?

>>92177297
It's garbage right now. Even more cutthroat than normal dev jobs, but much higher entry requirements despite the pay not being higher.

>>92177697
If that's what you want to call it, call it that. I really don't care, but I've never heard of development being part of a cloud architect's job description

>>92177724
Cope, seethe, dial 8.

>>92177731
what should i cope with?

>30 minute interview tomorrow for an entry level position
i'm sweating just thinking about it, what could they do to make it go for so long? how many questions will they ask me?

>>92177754
How is that long? My interview for mcdonalds lasted 20 minutes

>>92177536
>Thousands of hours of coding since the age of 11 have allowed us to sniff out frauds like you with incredible efficiency
When I was younger and had lower self-esteem I thought all programmers were 200 iq prodigies who had been writing compilers from youth. Now I realize you can be a total dullard and land a job in the industry.

>>92177754
>30 minutes is long
wait till you get to the final round where you spend a good 8 hours interviewing with a 30 minute lunch break where you're still being interviewed

>>92177724
>I've never heard of development being part of a cloud architect's job description
Development can be a part of any tech workers job description. I guess you were trying to say that you were DevOps. Anyways, it's sus when you have a business but you don't know how to articulate it.

>>92177897
Really? That's the part that tipped you off about the absolute state of this retarded larper?

>>92177934
I just like to see things unravel.

>>92177754
it is more about just making sure they allocated enough time to cover everything. its just going to be asking you questions like, "what is a hard situation you had to deal with, and how did you deal with it?" you may ramble on for a few minutes, fine. that leaves room for 5-6 questions with similar answers within that time block.

>>92177897
I don't care much for labels, but yes, DevOps is what I'll generally say if a slightly above normie asks. Unless you're working in large companies with a very specific area of responsibility any label like this generally fails to represent what you actually do in any meaningful way.

I'm not sure what you're looking to gain from this, you clearly made up your mind about me before you even asked what I do.

>>92178039
>DevOps is what I'll generally say if a slightly above normie asks
Well a 4channer asked you in this thread and it took you several posts and someone else saying it to realize what you do.

>>92178079
I told you the one short sentence version of what I do when you asked. If you wanted to know what label I associate my work with you should have asked about that, not what I actually do.

>>92177847
inb4 the breakfast story

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what companies should I join so I can be dominated by a middle-aged divorced office lady manager who will abuse me like the lowly worm I am?

>>92177590
>Never heard of that position. I don't think you really understood what I said if that's what you're left thinking.
>>92177679
>I suppose those two jobs may be part of what I do, yes, however they sound more like very specific jobs in a large company rather than someone with responsibility across a broader area
>>92177724
>If that's what you want to call it, call it that. I really don't care, but I've never heard of development being part of a cloud architect's job description


>>92178102
Where in those posts did you say you did DevOps.

>>92178162
>Where in those posts did you say you did DevOps.
I didn't in those posts, I did here: >>92176029
Not sure why you asked me what I do if all you were looking for was a label I expressed I associate my work with about 2 hours ago.

>>92178226
The words "devops" is nowhere in that post.

>>92178126
i work at a company that mostly contains women. you dont want to work at a company that mostly consists of women. they are all catty toward one another constantly with their petty drama. the ones in upper management make retarded requests, and because they gained an inflated ego from being in upper management, they tell people bullshit reasons for why certain things dont work. people who dont know any better believe these ego tripping retards because they think that woman has been here for long enough to know what is causing the problem. so many incompetent upper management women somehow managed to not get fired during the covid layoffs. i assume they were "providing a benefit outside of work" to people above them

>>92178250
>>devops
>>devsecops
>>secure coders
>>cybersecurity
>these are pretty inaccessible to new grads, correct?

>i work with this

you're reaching new levels of stupidity for every post

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>>92178126
google

>>92178278
He doesn't work for anything other than devops, and he didn't make that clear until I asked him specifically what he worked with and explain it for him. Being mysteriously vague is not the pinnacle of intellect. Cry more.

>>92178305
You didn't explain anything, you spewed some vague labels and whined about not getting a HR tier explanation despite getting a vastly more specific description of reality.

>>92178297
god, she looks revolting

>>92178327
Why are you so angry? A person asked how accessible certain fields were, you didn't say which field you worked in, you spoke vaguely, and it took several posts before you said what you actually worked on, and it took me saying what you worked on for you to also start saying "yes that's what I do" when it's the first time you ever typed the word. It's not an HR tier anything, nobody can understand what you're trying to say when you can speak in standardized universal terms.

>>92178392
can't speak* :^)

>>92178392
I work in all of the mentioned "fields".
"Cloud infrastructure", "Kubernetes", "CI", "CD" are, if not standardized (which none of the aforementioned terms are), certainly universal terms if you have any involvement in the modern tech industry at all. "Development" is perhaps a little vague, so I'll clarify: Software development

If you don't understand, say you don't understand instead of spilling your Dunning-Kruger all over the place in an attempt to appear superior in a field you seemingly haven't had any involvement in whatsoever until today.

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>>92178297
asian women literally can't get their hands off BWC

>>92178518
You do not work in all of those fields, and you've made it obvious enough.

>so anon, why should we hire you over the other candidates?
>i don't have enough information about the other candidates to make a judgement.
did i mess up?

>>92178616
based sigma grindset

>>92178598
Whatever makes you sleep at night. I'll keep making a lot of money doing those things regardless of what you say.

>>92178616
Yes. You're supposed to say you're the bestest ever, while simultaneously make sure not to say anything bad about the other candidates.
There are cheatsheets about how to answer those preset questions, look them up and practice. You're lucky enough you still get those over the psychanalysis tests.

>>92178637
Nobody asked.

>>92178637
Dial 8 but don't die late, tranny.

>>92178667
You're right, you're nobody.

>>92178686
Seethe, cope and dilate.

>>92178616
everyone hates someone who's arrogant. But loves someone who's arrogant but can back it up. Then it becomes "self-confidence". You gotta be confident

>>92178699
thanks, most people would stop replying when they realize they've made a fool out of themselves

>>92178739
kill yourself

>>92178744
keep going

>>92178755
whatever, incel

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>>92178739

>>92178761
you're gonna have to try harder than that

I keep getting paranoid I’m going to get fired. How do you alleviate these fears?

>>92178773
Start applying and interview for a new job.

>>92178773
start applying for new jobs

>>92178739
Then why do you keep replying?

>>92178772
you're right, I'm sorry

>>92178792
because you keep giving me the satisfaction

>>92178772
>>92178810
Samefag

>>92177354
you are one dumb nigga

>>92177510
without a degree u will go nowhere

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>>92174478
I don't get you americans, since your job is remote, why don't you just move to small towns? I'm assuming rent and necessities will cost half compared to big cities, and property is cheap as hell. Big cities are a fucking meme, we're blessed enough to get in a field which pays very well and can be done remotely, the only reason to live in the big city it's because it's easier to get a job, but we don't have to do that anymore.

>>92178864
Hard to date in sparsely populated areas. Women most likely to have had sex with the entirety of the small town's inhabitants.

>>92177510
You can make a banging game with almost no coding nowadays and even then who wants to be a game dev.

>>92175905
MAGMA is the right one (or FAGMAAN)

>>92178879
>being a game dev when people are playing mobile games and amogus
>to even breach the attention of AAA you'd need to be some type of genius
>companies won't fund your game without 1 of every race, and a few disabled main NPCs

>>92178876
>Hard to date in sparsely populated areas
wew I guess I was wrong to assume everyone on the tech board of 4chan would be a permavirgin like me

Sure, it might be harder to get a gf in a 100k city compared to a 5 million city, but god damn it's worth it once you dont have to deal with the bullshit

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>>92178864
who the FUCK wants to live in bumfuck alabama with its shitty weather and fat people and boring landscape FUCK that I want to live in California where its 70F year round and I can go on a motorcycle ride through the twisty forest roads and then head to the beach and pick up a hot chicks just by telling them i can afford my own apartment

My brother was just informed that he was laid off from his finance role on an H1b. He’s been in the US since high school (11 years) and is now faced with the harsh reality that he might have to go back to his home country, where we do not even have any close family. He has 60 days to find a new job, or he will have no choice but to leave.

Let this be a reminder that all white Americans hate you, they have no empathy or soul, and that the only reason they hire you is for money alone. Whites do not think you're a human being, and you should treat them the same way they treat you.

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>>92179067
god I'm glad I don't have to deal with jeets in defense

>>92179067
>Let this be a reminder that all white Americans hate you, they have no empathy or soul, and that the only reason they hire you is for money alone. Whites do not think you're a human being, and you should treat them the same way they treat you.
exactly the same as all other colors of people, then. good to know

>>92179067
Why does he hate his home country?

>>92179103
when the whites came to our country, they genocided over 70 million of us though the bengal famine. they stole our resources, our land, our dignity. all white wealth stolen from the rest of the world, and we are fighting to take it back.

>>92179067
he had 11 years to marry a white girl
his fault desu

>>92175997
Google is technically Alphabet, so it has to be MAMMA

>>92179191
Then I have no sympathy for you, get out of our country, thanks.

>>92179067
If he's been there 11 years he could have applied for green card 6 years ago and is currently eligible to apply for citizenship.

>>92179191
Conquered, not stolen. They didn't break into your house, steal the TV and leave. They moved in, killed your father, fucked your mother and gave you chores.

How does H1B even work? I thought you had to get a job. This guy got a job while in high school to give him a h1b? And he's been here for 11 years?

What cloud roles can I apply to with the az104?

>>92179297
so white people got conquered by blacks?

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>work hard
>do the 'right' thing
>study
>get into good school
>AI comes from out of nowhere and is probably going to kill the industry you spent your life studying to work in

Anyone else struggling right now?

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>>92179371
Just give up

>>92179360
No, they got conquered by jews.

>>92179371
i got into the industry years ago without a degree
ai will probably take over enterprise crud first and put me out of work, but until then i'm vibin

>>92179371
Firstly, I want to commend you for your hard work and determination that got you into a good school. It takes a lot of effort to achieve such a feat, and you should be proud of yourself for reaching this milestone. However, I understand that life can be challenging, and sometimes things don't always go as planned. It's important to remember that everyone experiences setbacks and struggles, and it doesn't define your worth or potential. Keep in mind that success isn't always a straight line, and there will be ups and downs along the way. But with your hard work and determination, you have already proven that you have what it takes to achieve your goals, but it seems that isn't enough. At this point, you can consider state-sponsored euthanasia or working for a fast food restaurant.

>>92173985
it's hard to disagree with that picture - sometimes I think I care too much at my job. I unironically take pride in my work but I'm sure I could tone it down and no one would notice a thing

>>92179299
Without sponsorship, you enter a literal lottery where your name is basically pulled out of a hat, weighted by your country of origin relative to US's political preference and the amount currently in the country. When you get accepted, you have 6 months to get in and find a job, or the H1B expires. So long as you have a job, your H1B is fine as long as you keep renewing it.
With sponsorship, you get to skip most of the line and hopefully get in without the full lottery draw thing.

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>>92173985
This is unironically the best advice
It is all about building experience in the end, especially the lower levels
Most companies aren't worth the effort, selling your dignity and humiliating yourself to reach higher positions, you should never stoop down yourself as to suck a boss' cock, ever
So after building like two years or so of experience, it is when you start applying for higher positions elsewhere, and then repeat doing the bare minimum to accumulate experience, and so on

>>92179371
Artcels still seething

>>92175184
Study everything that is on the intern description. Express interest in the technologies that they work on.

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>meet a guy
>he says his company is hiring for "operations center" personnel
>press a little

>its actually retail help desk answering tickets about why their mattress isn't there yet 10 minutes after they placed an order online

>job still requires a gorillion certs and dozens of man-years of experience to make min wage

why is the job market like this and why are hirers so entitled? it seems like every sector is like this. I even know a "head steward" who's wracked with issues himself, his cadre and coworkers even in middle management are seemingly a bunch of deranged trannies, and yet he parrots the "No OnE WANts tO wOrK aNyMoRe" shit despite most of the candidates he gets being literal doctors waiting to get accredited, fresh-sealed cooks, and maybe some people who don't want to work 7 days a week

>>92178912
I'm sure game devs were punching air when flappy bird took off

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>>92180365
they were and crappy mobile games are still the easiest way to troll agdg

>>92180365
zoomzooms like you are unpredictable. You will latch unto a copy-pasta of an old flash shitgame that takes 30 seconds to make, but won't look at a quality indie title at all. But among millions of said shitgames, you only latch on to 1 or 2.

Quick question: How should I go about keeping my skill-set versatile when working in a specialized area? I assist in the reverse engineering and modeling & simulation of systems for a government contractor. The stuff that I work with is fairly specialized so I'm worried that I am decreasing my future career prospects.

What kinds of skills would you build to remain relevant and keep your future options open? I want to stay relevant and not close doors so early in my career.

>>92180635
Specialization is king. Employers want hyperspecialized autists, everyone hates generalists, except inasmuch as this shows you are passionate enough (read: slave-minded) that you work yourself ragged outside of work hours on unrelated stuff.

the market is tough out there

>>92180676
Specialization would be great if I knew that I wanted to remain in the industry I'm in. But I don't know that. Hence my question.

>>92180696
Crazy how you need Top Secret to work basically anywhere now. I only have Secret; can I possibly ever make it?

>>92180982
>need clearance to get a job
>need to get a job to get clearance
what's a nigga to do

>>92179652
this works better in an employee's market. now interview bullshitting has gotten harder but still doable
you have to dark triad skills

>claim projects your team delivered were yours
>overstate your importance in delivering things
>projects that you didn't finish, still talk about like you finished them
>memorize all the leetcode problems
you have to be ok with lying through your teeth, that's how you win this adversarial sociopathic bullshit industry

>>92177297
financially it's a way worse investment than traditional software
being a webdev is the highest paying choice unironically

>>92177708
i'd be taking a pay cut to work in ML and i have no fucking idea how to even get in with no experience

>>92173985
Any tipps for me?
I got contacted by an internal recruiter of a big tech company and now have an interview with them for a machine learning engineer role, but I only come from a software engineer background.
It's a very interesting topic and role, but I feel unqualified. Have done some hobby projects related to it, but no professional experience in the data field. However, they liked my cv and asked me for a meeting, so there's hope.
How can I prepare for it?

>>92177390
with 1 year google probably will want to put you in L3 but if the interview goes well (and you have a connection) you may get L4
meta is probably more willing to give you E4
>>92177449
2-3 years which is about the same as the other faangs

>>92177214
All of my former coworkers went to work at bigger companies after leaving the failing startup where they've worked for over five years.

>>92179371
You don't need to fear AI until artificial general intelligence. If the technology is any threat, the government would keep it for itself or heavily restrict its use.

do you WFH chuds realize how good you have it?

>>92180365
Flappy Bird took off because the dev cunningly exploited the weakness in Google Play's ranking algorithm. This exploit has since been fixed. There won't be any app that would be able to replicate Flappy Bird's success organically anymore.

Sophomore MIS major here, how much did you guys pay for your first internship? I paid $5k (to my roommate's cousin) for my first internship at Goldman, not counting rent.

>>92179371
Constantly, but I'm trying to get on with it

Sigh... this thread didn't even make it through a full workday... on a Saturday
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>>92181747

>muh social life