Can the AI realistically replace human programmers? Everyone is talking about it. Could AI even program a video game better than any game developer?
>>92171429not yet /thread
>>92171478>yet
Human programmers perhaps not, but indian programmers absolutely
>>92171429Who cares, the fact is that there will mass unemployment because less people will be able to do more.
>>92171429It's already possible but the real problem that few talk about is costs which are outrageously high right now. This isn't an overnight change everyone is fear mongering about.https://www.ciocoverage.com/openais-chatgpt-reportedly-costs-100000-a-day-to-run/
>>92171429If by everyone you mean a couple people with a script then yeah, everyone's talking about it
>>92171818There is so much noise it's impossible to find anything credible. People post all sorts of things claiming AI can do this or that, but failing to provide any evidence they didn't just do it themselves and screencap it.
>>92171429with video games, definitely. its not as though the AI has to create something new, it can just copy and paste the same slop that gaymers swallow again and again. the AI could finish it quicker and with no bugs.
it would actually be a good thing if these coding AIs got to be good enough to replace people. the age of garbage software will be over
>>92171818They should have made everyone pay $3 per month to use it. Nobody would have any choice. They would all be billionaires within no time.
>>92172283>train ML model on github>github is filled with millions of pajeets>get pajeet tier code>unemployed pajeets now poop all over the US and UK roadways this is the future you chose
even if you could get an AI to replace 99% of programming, guess what? you still need a human who fully understands your entire codebase for the 1% when it won't work. if you don't have people who understand the code for when AI fails then you are completely fucked
>>92172388Cool, so only the bottom 99% need to worry!
>>92172388Before small scale computers there were 10x more accountants in the world. Even if computers do not totally eradicate certain careers, they permanently alter the market. Arguing that its okay because 1% of jobs remain is retarded. You aren't going to be part of the 1% still employed in a given field when automation comes knocking.
>>92172426>>92172442understanding the entire codebase requires a large number of programmers. the point is that reading and understanding code is more important for software devs than writing it, which you would know if you developed software
>>92171967Well, you could always do that in videogames. There were always game-builders where you just copy and paste stuff where you want. Actually implementing it with a competitive performance using C++ and taking advantage of gpus ain't getting done by ChatGPT for a long time yet if ever. While it might copypaste a rudimentary python game for newbies learning how to program try asking it to write a simple SNES platformer - yeah I don't think so.
>>92171429why would it not, all these programmers monkey do is fixing the bugs they make. That's literally all that the gAI has to do
>>92172478No, the point is that automation blanketly decreases the number of people required in any given field. Flat out. There is nothing else to say on the matter. A software company currently employing 100 people right not potentially will get by with 10 in a couple years. Just 10 people maintaining things, doing review, just glancing at shit that AI cobbles together. Proclaiming that the 10 remaining jobs as a good thing is retarded. You're a retarded person. anon. There is something fundamentally wrong with your way of thinking.
>>92171818>It's already possibleit quite LITERALLY is nothave you ever actually used GPT for coding anything more complex than static website garbage and hello worlds?
>>92172494Oh well at least chatgpt gave me the instructions of how to do it. So what do you think we should write our snes game with - Unity or Java?
>>92172426You realize 1% is still a lot?
>>92172388>you still need a human who fully understands your entire codebase for the 1% when it won't workJust tell AI to troubleshoot it.
>>92172564>99% of people are dead>but 1% is still a lot!Perspective is everything, buddy
>>92171429It doesn't matter, if you have more than one braincell it's simple to realise that programmer is literally the last job that needs to be replaced before singularity becomes possibleSo if programmers are fully replaced then there won't be any job left soon enoughAt current AI level only pajeets and new grads need to be worried. Why outsource or hire a junior if you can just increase the output of your senior employee with AI assist? That said this will also be the future of every other engineering position.
>>92172548Exactly. AI currently fails in even basic math.
>>92172756>currentlythank god AI and technology doesn't learn and grow at an almost exponential rate
>>92172756Language models fail in basic math because they're just reconstructing sentences they've sampled in response to an input. A model that incorporates Wolfram Alpha maths solving is just one more stepping stone towards totally removing the human element. A simple language model doesn't have to be anything near sci-fi reddit tier faggot retard AGI to be a huge threat, it just has to be good enough, which is why outsourcing to third world countries works in the first place. We will eventually replace the third world for compute clusters. Entire warehouses staffed with poorly paid Indians, Malays, Chinese, etc will all be left with nothing. The same will happen to the UK, middle America. Companies will no longer need the overwhelming majority of their human workforces, and that includes already superfluous human resources departments and management types.This is absolutely disastrous for the current structure of developed society.Though I suppose thats a good thing. Fuck this gay earth.
>>92171429Shit can't even get a game of javascript breakout right. (Did mouse movement and didn't space the bricks out so they all ended up in the same place)
>>92172548It sucked when I tried a month ago. I'm using it right now to learn an animation library for react and its saving me time but yeah, it isn't going to build the animations flawlessy on its own.
>>92172886thats insane for a chatbot that is trained to talk to people and not create games.Ask any tv or other kind of moderator in real life to make a java breakout game (even if it doesnt work) in under 2 minutes
>>92172842It doesn't, it grows at a logarithmic rate
>>92172842What makes it grow is the amount of material it is trained by, right? That is totally different than humanlike intelligence and problem solving.
>>92171429Yeah, and it doesn't need to be perfect to replace 90% of the workforce. AI art isn't perfect but 90% of artists will lose their jobs to it, even if doesn't evolve. AI makes 1 person able to do the work of 10.
>>92172978>logarithmicah yes, the early years are the fastest and it will slow down to a halt soon.only the biggest brains on /g/ today
>>92172941Yeah I'm just being facetious and having fun with spellbook. I doubt anyone has ever programmed the basics of the breakout game in javascript before. So the fact that it could translate the mechanics over (The ball bounces off the paddle and the outer bounds of the screen and the brick is removed when the ball hits it) to manifest them into javascript actually impressed the shit out of me. You get 1 useable breakout game for every 10 times you run that prompt. So it's kind of hit and miss. spellbook isn't set up for follow-up queries but I'm too stingy to pay for ChatGPT+
>>92173010Basically. Its all regression. You train a model what not to output. The remaining outputs not filtered as bad results are inevitably what people want given enough iterations.
>>92173010what a coincidence that 99.9999% of all programming problems can be reduced to the same 100 different modules or sub-problems that you can AI train to do perfectly
>>92173010>amount of material it is trained by, rightNo, people are coming up with all sorts of new AI techniques that make results better and the process cheaper. We just got control nets in image generation a month ago which improves the results a lot and last week some nerds at Stanford made a new AI training technique that cuts costs of training 10x. Things are happening fast now, you don't need to train whole new models to advance, and training is getting cheaper and cheaper anyway
models =/= aiwere just feeding huge amounts of data and throwing processing power so it can do the best guess it can as to what the answer is
>>92173149Thats right. The danger is that normies can't understand this. Normies thinking that a convincing sounding output is proof of some higher intelligence is the real societal danger.
>>92173149>>92173247People who worship semantics are an aesthetic danger to online conversations.
>>92173266confusing completely different things is not "semantics"
>>92173266Your post added nothing to this conversation. You had no point to make. You refuted nothing. You are simply begging for attention to stroke your own ego.
>>92173149>>92173247>ummm actually it's not technically an AI mmmkayShut the fuck up. Semantics aren't going to change the fact that I'm generating all textures in my game with SD.
>>92173301>hurrr durrrr its totally AI bro>its intelligene!>uhhh it doesn't actually matter that its not a real thinking thing and can be fooled 100% of the time by elementary school world puzzles
Large language models keep getting more impressive as new hardware allows to push more data into them, but I imagine results will slow to a crawl once they can push the whole internet and every literary work known to man into it, and they realize it still can't solve a math problem right and there's no more data to add to fix it
>>92173341Scrape enough of the internet and you'll just end up with a model that is a horny rapist
>>92173029Not him but despite your sarcasm that is 100% accurate. The early years are generally the fastest growth and then things slow to a halt - road transport, space travel advances, aeroplanes, satellites. What did you think, it goes up forever? Moore's law is done and technology is generally increasing at a snail's pace compared to what it was. I don't know what the future will hold in AI, but while we are likely to see further AI advances, there's then going to be a plateau as there's only so much you can do with today's computing.
>the gibberish generator is replacing all the humans>99% of jobs gone>okay maybe not now... but you'll see eventually!
How long before this thing becomes "sentient" and they have to shut it down?
>>92173368I wish I could generate a model only based on the entire archive of 4chan with 0 output filters
>>92173411The world needs GPT-4chan v2.
>>92171429Your question tells me that you arent very technical and i will try to answer your question to the best of my ability: Imagine an AI that can actually code a full project. Current AI cant really do it, only snippets, but those really good already. So lets assume the AI can do exactly what an experienced software engineer can do. I now give this AI to you. Lets assume it has an ChatGPT-like interface and can write the code directly into a runnable executable. With this setup: could you program a clone of a modern AAA video game? Try to think about this for a moment. The answer is most often no. You still have to feed the AI ALL the information to get the task right, which takes tons of time. The thing you are not considering is: programming languages are already making it extremely easy for us to "prompt" the computer to do something. No person on earth understands all the 10101010001 that went into this very post. AI will be the next step of that. It will make programming easier, but you will still need people that can "speak" to it effectively. Similar to how image generation anons try to get the hottest anime girls with a huge variation of prompts.tl;dr the answer to your question is: AI will not directly replace programmers, it will just make them faster and more effective. Even though bad or entry level programmers (also known as "code monkeys") might be out of their job, because less programmers will be needed once they are helped by AI.
>>92172442In 1960 there were only 170 million people in the US and the unemployment rate was 6.6%. In 2023 there are 334 million people in the US and the unemployment rate is at the moment 3.6%.
g-guys.... GPT-4 just had a baby...
>>92173639State statistics on how well the state is doing are 100% propaganda
>>92173029It literally already has slowed downGpt4 has 1000 times more parameters than gpt3 but isn't even twice as smart and only has like 4x more tokens
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>>92173662Yeah bro Trump is still in charge, trust the plan fellow patriots.
>>92173729Bot post? This total non sequitur has no bearing on anything here. Trump is a kike an will burn in hell.
>>92172548It's incredibly good for shell scripts I have it write those and small python scripts with a framework to do multigenalso apparently good for regex
>>92172756language model not math model retards
>>92173742What's with the antisemitism?
>>92173790Whats with your antigentilism?
>>92173092One of the few non-midwits. Tech hasn't gotten this much better so quickly since Moore's law was in effect
>>92172331yeah, they should listen to a random retard on 4chan for business decisionsmeanwhile google wasn't much cheaper to run back when they started as a search engine, and look where they're now, if they had listened to mongs like you they may have lost to yahoo
>>92173742Just wanted to trigger your knee jerk response you mouth breathing /pol/nigger.
>>92173583>Only 90% of us will lose are jobs and the other 10% are actually just prompt engineers
>>92173833Yahoo was the better search engine. Google won by paying for better Superbowl ads, various other forms of marketing, terming their name into a verb.>>92173848Ridiculous sperg post.
I don't even open Google anymore unless i need an image. And some day someone will Hack together textgen and imagegen to do local image "search"gen
>>92173821Thinking tech is exponential despite direct evidence on the contrary is the actual midwit position you fucking idiot.
>>92173875And by being free. All that marketing would've been wasted if people had a free alternative they could use
>>92173875>Yahoo was the better search engine.Completely retarded. Those Russian Jews know their shit
I dont think having a model solve a math problem 5000 times and pick the answer that is the most common is a very efficient way of using processing power
>>92173899NTA but Yandex didn't even exist back then.
>>92172548It helps me with nginx config files, but yeah for anything slightly complex it's pretty much useless
>>92173899Newfag getting digits. What a dark time.
>>92173904I don't think the issue people have is about solving math per se, but logic itself. calling anything "artificial intelligence" makes people expect some sci-fi level of thinking that's way above human, when reality is more like it's just a piece of software that prints text with educated guesses and some rng
>>92174260Have you actually talked to other humans?
>>92174365yes, but around here I like to call them fucking retards
>>92172881Looks like the commies are gonna take over soon
>>92174533Commies are the most ugly, physically disabled, dysgenic people alive. I fully believe they gravitate towards this dogma because they are spiteful mutants.The future will be controlled by the most comically overtly racist people who have ever lived. Henry Ford will look like a Liberal Saint by the year 2040.
>>92174612but what if the global majority get so pissed off from living in abject poverty that they ally with the commies and pwn the rich?
>>92173887>direct evidence on the contraryAlpaca 7B just reduced the cost of training a GPT-3 tier model from hundreds of thousands of dollars to under 600 bucks, you tell me if this was exponential.
>>92174677So, that could definitely happen, but it would be super short lived. Nobody wants to live by the rules of the spurned physically disabled and mentally retarded, which is what Communists are. The lumpenprole of the Commie supporters are literally the most physically worthless, mentally retarded, heavily medicated, suicidal, detritus of society.You know that the average unions welder will never align with their political or social values. No union of construction workers is going to jump out into the street and cry out that their 3yr old children need to be given hormone blockers that cause mental retardation and cancer. All normal people want those faggots to be killed.If you think any post apocalyptic society will be LGBTQfag friendly you're beyond delusional. When things get to a certain point then scum will just be shot on sight and never thought about again.
>>92171429>learns
>>92172442>there were 10x more accountants in the world.any source on that?
>>92171429>Can the AI realistically replace human programmers?AI in its current state cannot. GPT is dumb and can't think or problem-solve.
>>92173716>>92173657IT BEGINS
>>92171429yes, poojeet programmers are seething that they can't compete against AI anymore. the white man will march on again
Probably shouldn't but it probably will. Debugging AI generated code from is gonna be a bitch and a half and it's going to be more common than you think since 80% the operations using AI code modules probably wont bother to adhere to standard CI checks before deploying.
Not yet and maybe not for a while. I think all this hype over replacing programmers is just proof that /g/ really don't do any code for a living. I've done web programming and app development throughout the years and I think so far LLM's could vastly speed up my research for surface topics or spring some small code faster, but never deliver an entire solution from scratch. This is insane.
>>92175036Just check his ass.
>>92172388The real goal of AI coding is not that planes don't crash or your car doesn't spontaneously catch on fire. Just that White heterosexual men don't have access to computers.They'll ask it to code in Rust and call it a day.
>>92171429Current ai programming benchmarks are ass
I'm actually more qualified to talk about this than most anons. I work at a a cutting-edge AI research company, where I do a lot of machine learning and AI development. Open source, neural networks, data analysis, partnerships, you name it. We'd be one of the first companies in line for something like AI, if the artificial intelligence space had more practical value over traditional human workforce. There's a catch though, an underlying flaw more deeply embedded in the essence of AI than the very algorithms themselves. The flaw is with the concept, and it's this: Companies won't actually go through the hassle of replacing their human workforce with AI.Now I can already hear your keyboards going frantic, but hear me out. /sci/ hates inefficient human labor and traditional workforce systems. But actual companies, businesses, and investors do not. There's an old saying you might have heard of: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". The idea that any of our bosses would give us the go-ahead if we approached them to replace our company's valuable human resources with an AI system that they've never heard of, we'd be laughed out at best and fired on the spot at worst. We already have human workers we trust.(1/2)
>>92178987'But AI is more efficient!' I hear you cry, but is that really a good thing? Just listen to the sound of it. Businesses don't want to spend millions of dollars on something that is cold and impersonal, they want something warm and human. 'But the performance improvements!', doesn't that defeat the whole point of your argument? If companies only trust AI systems that have been proven effective, what's the difference between trusting human workers who already have experience and skills, but in real life not on a computer screen.The fact is, AI is going to share the same fate as many other overhyped technologies. A lot of 'real-world application' hype, with a lot of 'tech world application' reality. Only, this AI craze isn't going to replace the human workforce as quickly as some think. Happy speculating though, anons.(2/2)
>>92178987>>92179013The syntax and tone of this sounds like an AI.
>>92179024Isn't everything going that way? It seems that it can mimic any post here, even including mistakes. Sometimes, I wonder why I bother to reply to some elaborate posts, as it feels like a huge convoluted ruse to trick people into wasting their time. I can see anons here checking logs to see what kind of responses their bots got after running for a day in this place.
>>92172548quoting for truthGPT is barely sufficient for refactoring and it takes carefully crafted instructions to get it to come out rightits basically a "better stackoverflow" because i dont have to spend time browsing for the right api example, and thats definitely an area where it is useful. even if its usage of an api is slightly wrong, its a good tool for getting a general idea of how something is intended to be used
>>92171429Yes. I'm getting a compsci major at uni and 85% of people are retarded and don't know basic knowledge. Of the people who are actually smart, most of them are lazy and take shortcuts. Even the autistic types care too much about unimportant details. They could all easily be replaced by AI.
>>92172561the most hilarious thing about this is that i could write a platformer in like 500 lines of code using like sfml or something
>>92179304lol
>>92172561>here, do it yourself, now fuck offKind of lazy, desu. It's just GPU cycles.
>>92171429Even if AI can solve leetcode tasks, it still cant work in a real as a real programmer in a real code base. The harder part is to understand the task with limited knowledge, contacting people, then reading the code and writing code to fit that in its place and making sure it follows the badly written task which is missing a lot of information
>>92171429I still haven’t seen an example of so generating non trivial code. I mean most code is trivial so it’s still useful but it could only replace your most retarded code monkey
>>92171722there have been ongoing attempts to automate/semi-automate almost all aspects of sdlc since decades ago.>employee is a cunt and always bullshits that one week task needs two months to complete. it is suspected, it is most likely true but cant be proven.lot of people are retarded.just a consequence of their tardation.
>>92179304>>92179391As a boomer I sincerely hope people on /g/ aren't missing the main irony of my post - of course you can't write snes games using modern tools like unity or java, you need to use assembly or at most a hacky version of C.
AI can realistically replace human gfs
>>92182940cope
I asked a crackhead prostitute to write me a tic toc game in python. She took an hour to write it and the code has a bug. Humans will never replace programmers.
It gets leet code examples with hundreds or thousands of exact implementations and extremely carefully crafted instrctions it was trained on partially correct, sometimes.It utterly dies once you ask it to code soemthing even remotely relevant to things that come up in real life programming.I had a simple, but actual real life tasks of formatting phone numbers people put into a form. As You can imagine, people format their numbers in all kinds of way 01631234567, +49 163 9294 235 (0)163 1234 5678 etc, the output is supposed to be +49 1234 5678 99..A perfectly reasonable, isolated input output task with dozens of correct input/output examples i put in.Code did somewhat work. like 60%. Even after repeatedly pointing out its mistakes, it told me "its fixed now" and it wasnt. Even after saying "bro youre trying to do too much in that 1 regex, try splitting them up" it didnt get it.Also people really shouldnt panic that we might have found something that can replace programmers eventually. If we have something that can replace programmers we are literally living in star trek. Programmer is the last non physical job to be replaced. Maybe the last job in general, who knows
>>92184605Every time I ask it to make a useful gamedev related function that isn't hello world shit it shits itself and dies.SD also sucks for useful textures.
It gets 3/45 of leetcode hard problems right. So not even close yet. Anyone who calls himself a programmer should be able to complete them all as a minimum. Code monkeys need not apply.
>>92172388>you still need a human who fully understands your entire codebase
>>92171515This. AI will only replace people who are currently bad at their jobs but fly under the radar. Expect cope.
>>92184605>Even after repeatedly pointing out its mistakes, it told me "its fixed now" and it wasnt. Even after saying "bro youre trying to do too much in that 1 regex, try splitting them up" it didnt get it.So it's already at the pajeet level.
>>921736391960 and 2023 unemployment calculations are calculated differently. In 1980s they changed the way they calculate unemployment. The new calculation gives them a lower number because they no longer count long term unemployed. Only those short term. By short term, those taking unemployment money. Once they run out or never collect they no longer count. They act as if they don't exist.Also you ignore the types of jobs that do exist. Back in the 60s you had much higher paying jobs. Today you have more low paying jobs.
It will not "replace" anyone, just completely destroy the whole field.For everyone to be replaced the AI would need to be smart enough to understand everything a large group of people understands today which will probably make it smart enough to replace all software in general anyway.Why would you ask an AI to make a software that does X when people can just ask the AI to do X?
>>92172388Anon do you really think your in the top 1%?
>>92174699I do want to see what peak Machine learning (not AI that's still a bit off) leads to.
>>92171429its gonna replace SIRS, but fagman will still hire SIRS and just pay them to use Ai because the point is to give globalhomo a reason to not ever hire a white man ever again.
>>92172564Are you retarded?
>>92178987>I work at a a cutting-edge AI research company, where I do a lot of machine learning and AI development. Open source, neural networks, data analysis, partnerships, you name it. We'd be one of the first companies in line for something like AI, if the artificial intelligence space had more practical value over traditional human workforce.This response was definitely AI-generated. An AI company that isn't "one of the first companies in line for something like AI" is an oxymoron. Also, they way you pretend pajeets don't exist is setting off alarm bells. Don't reply to this comment without used the words "Pajeet" and "FAGMAN", please.
