Madness begins.>Upgrade & Build AdvicePost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)State budget and country>NewsNew releases: RTX 4090; AM5 / Zen 4; Intel Arc GPUs A770 and A750RTX 4080 16GB (AD103) $1200 Nov Launch; RTX "4080" 12GB (AD104) unlaunchedRaptor Lake: K SKUs released + reviewed>CPUsFor light usage, consider an Intel i3 or Ryzen 3/G.For gaming, consider an Intel i5 (K if you want overclocking) or a Ryzen 5.For multithreaded performance, consider an Intel i7 or a Ryzen 9. Get a Threadripper for heavy-duty workloads.Avoid Zen4 (Ryzen 7000 series) - massively overpriced motherboards and poor-performing DDR5.>GPUsFor gaming, check out the benchmarks for whatever games you play and pick whatever performs best.For productivity, you will want to buy a Nvidia Card for CUDA, nvenc, better software support in general.>CoolersHyper 212 EVO>PSUshttps://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/>SSDsUse an NVMe Drive for your operating system.Standouts: Samsung 990 Pro, Crucial P5 Plus, Kingston KC3000, WD Black SN770https://ssd.borecraft.com/Don't buy HDDs for a desktop PC. If you need large scale storage, consider buying cloud storage or a NAS.>Motherboard:https://www.build-gaming-computers.com/motherboards-with-bios-flashback.html>Monitorshttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4DPrev: >>89947372
Need a quick reply.ASUS GeForce TUF RTX 3070 O8G V2 GamingShould i get that one?
Would it be stupid to upgrade a 3600 hundred? Just the CPU?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WhBhJMEverything marked with a price is what I've purchased recently.Everything marked at $0 is what I already own.Is there anything left I should do? I'm obviously not upgrading my GPU until the prices correct.
r8 my build> Intel i5 12600k> RTX 3090 FE> MSI MAG B660 Tomahawk WiFi DDR4> Noctua NH-D15> Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 3200> Corsair RM750xi know it's not a complete buildgot the rtx3090 for basically free, don't ask why>>89949856what do i need to upgrade? i don't even really game, at most i'll do /sdg/ shit>>89949857because i don't need to spend money
>>89949833 #>>89949846 #From the other threadLast question. Am I being a cheapscape for considering the 5700x or is it a solid upgrade? I can afford the 5900 but just thibking since the rest of my computer is old maybe the 5700 is better value? For reference my CPU is very often running at 90+% currently
>>89949885you mean upgrade from a 3600x? to what? if you asking for recommendations then just update bios and get a 5800x3d i guess
Can I use a Ryzen 7950X without a cooler if I'm just doing web browsing on Windows 11? Will it throttle?I need to wait for Noctua to send me a new AM4/5 mounting bracket from Austria before I can use my NH-D15S but I still want to assemble and use my new build, at least for light tasks.
>>89949885depends on your gpu/the gpu you plan to upgrade toif you're upgrading to another ddr4 system now's probably the cheapest it's ever going to beif you're upgrading to a ddr5 system it's probably going to be cheaper and better later in a couple of years
>>89949892You're editing video dumbass, get the 5900x.Gamers won't generally benefit from the higher core count, but (You) will.>>89949875Sure, it's a fine graphics card, but the gigabyte vision oc 3070 is on sale.
>>89949910>Can I use a Ryzen 7950X without a coolernope you wont even boot, motherboard will check to see if a cooler is plugged into cpu_fan header and wont boot if its not so it doesnt damage the cpu
>>89949907oh no the original 3600
>>89949858why do they have their hands up? what are they hoping to catch?
>go look at black friday deals>after the "deals" everything is slightly more expensive than it was a month agohow is this shit legal?
>>89949951ryzen 5 3600? same thing applies
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JFGnJMHere is my current build, what should I upgrade or add with black Friday sales? Just one or two parts.
>>89949990You can get a 5800xt for $520 right now. Other than that? Get a 1440p monitor.
what's this meme about the 970 evo being bad about?i just sort nvme drives by GB/$ and pick the cheapest one with dram
>>89949896don't listen to that retard, the 3090 isn't bottlenecked by a 12400.a 12600K is fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/wsQzK8/entry-level-intel-gaming-build#\wtf why does everything still cost the samehow is this black friday
>>89949990gpu get a rx 6600 xt minimum and up to a 3080/6800xt maxrx 6600 xts can be found for like 239, i see a sapphire pulse6800 xt for 555 here and theres an evga 3080 10gb on sale for 750 pick your posionotherwise get a 5800x3d for 320 or an ssd
>>89950018its not bad, its just theres others for the same price that aren't pcie 3.0
>>89949904see >>89949918Hell, if you're making money with it, wait for threadripper, and put it on your taxes as a business expense.
>>89950023It's not black friday for another three hours
Couldn't be me, but that's a deal right there for poorfags who want to get in to gaming. PC gaming is alive and approachable again.
>>89950018its an overpriced ssd considering its performanceyou can get a 980 pro for chepaer with better read/write speedsits like a hyper 212 vs ak620
>>89950046>newegg >doesnt ship to my countryits over
>>89950046>$180 rebatewhat if they deny it for arbitrary reasons
>>89950023black friday is a scam, they put a fake price on it, then reduce it to the old priceif you're lucky they don't raise the price to the high price after they're done
I fuming hate monitors bros. It's all lies, every fucking specification has a million asterisks because actually it doesn't do what it says it does or it achieves that by fucking up something else
>>89950023frI wanted to get a new 4tb TLC nvme ssd but almost none are discounted and the few that were, have sold out 10 hours ago
>>89950065I did a $25 recently for my motherboard. ASUS is pretty good about it, you carefully fill the forms, no mistakes, print and send it out with UPC. They deposit the money in your bank account through Zelle. ASUS isn't trying to scam their customers. But they will deny for any small mistake.>>89950063Rebate probably doesn't apply either.
I know nothing about finding the right parts to build pcs. Is there anything wrong with getting products straight from this guide other than not getting the best possible deals?https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/fbH9TW/excellent-intel-gamingstreaming-build
>>89949858Tfw no Black Friday sale in my country Philippines
>>89950046>Buy a $300 GPU for $410 but get a $180 rebateOof
>>89950033who cares about pcie3what differences will i notice?>>89950049it looks okay to me and 30 dollars cheaper than the 980 proi don't transfer files all the time so i don't think i will notice a few miliseconds off of some copy paste jobhyper 212 vs ak620 is the difference between loud thermal throttling and quiet coolness, whereas this is just different numbers when i do a crystaldiskmark testis there really a task where i'll be bound by the 970's speed? i really don't think so
>>89950124>30 dollars cheaper than the 980 proit has half the dram and is pcie 3 in that picture
>>89950137and that concerns me why exactly?
>>89950153so you're just a brainlet, thanks for confirming
>>89950112That build is reasonable to be quite honest. It's a budget++ build. Could get a cheaper cooler and case, and a better SSD and RAM.
>>89950160so it's just bigger numbers = betterthanks for confirming
>>89950153youre paying the same/similar price for worse productits like asking why should you buy a gtx 1080 ti for 700 over a rtx 3060 ti for 300its cheaper and better
I'm considering upgrading to a Ryzen 5800X CPU and a Radeon 6700 GPU, is this a reasonable choice or is there a better option at the moment?
>>89950167>durrr I will spend the same money on a worse product because I stan samsung duuuuurrrrr
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPsmH2Fucking finally, bought the board, memory and ssd I wanted for a reasonable price. Now I just have to wait for the rx 7900
>>89950073Bro rtings measurements basically level the playing field. Learn how to check the relevant sections.
>>89950182get the 5700X and a RX6800
>>89950171again i ask what differences i will noticei can clearly see the frames per second difference between 1080ti and 3060tiyes it's faster but when will i notice that?>>89950184we're comparing samsung against samsung dipshiti stan price per gig at acceptable performance, and i think 970 evo's performance is acceptable enoughyou people are the ones saying it's not acceptable, and i demand to know why you think so
Sweet, the VG27AQ1A is down to 199.99
What does it mean if a CPU is PCIe 3.0? It's not compatible with PCIe 4.0 GPUs and SSDs? Or do they just downgrade themselves to PCIe 3.0?
>>89950212>27why not go above 30
>>89950203>again i ask what differences i will noticethe price difference retardthe 970 evo would be good if it was at least 30-40% cheaper but buying old tech for same price as new tech with worse specs is just retard worthy
>>89950220I sit four feet away from my monitor
Grabbed an Aorus Ultra Plus Z690I alongside a 13600k and then I realized this thing doesn't have Thunderbolt 4... but honestly is there any point to Thunderbolt 4 on a desktop. To use a Thunderbolt 4 SSD enclosure?
>>89950207I don't normally have problems with gigabyte but I think their 30 series has had a lot of problems. I got their 3070 ti recently and it's a pretty loud card. Also I heard coil whine in one very specific circumstance in overwatch but I haven't noticed it outside of that.
>>89950219They just downgrade the link speed. It's not an issue until RTX 3090 Ti at the very least, so you probably have nothing to worry about it. May be a bad more for the RTX 5080 which I plan to buy. I'm setting aside $1900 for it.>>89950112Upgrade the SSD to SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 because it has DRAM and downgrade the cooler to Thermalright Assassin King 120 SE ARGB CPU Air Cooler, AK120 SE ARB, 5 Heatpipes $25. Note 5 heatpipes.
>>89950219they drop to pcie 3.0, its not a big deal yet.most GPUs are 16 lanes and manage fine with 3.0 still, even the 4090 is still okay.you kneecap your nvme speeds but unless you're transferring movie files between nvmes it wont matter yet because directstorage wont be out until next year, even then pcie 3.0 is more than fine.
hey fags, help me out hereAW3423DW or DWF? I can't decide whether 10 bit 144hz or firmware upgrades is more worthwhilealso I can get the DW about $200 cheaper right now in ausfag landsorry phoneposting because at work
>>89950241Why such an expensive board?
Any specific brand for thermal pad I should look for? I need to deshroud my GPU and I'm hoping they don't fall apart the moment I pull the radiator but I'd rather have something ready in case it happens.
>>89950250>It's not an issue until RTX 3090 Ti at the very least,the 4090 has been tested with pcie 3.0 x16 and its fine.
>>89950203Your games will load faster. Like, twice as fast. Because that's the difference in speed between the two drives.
>>89950222>muh specsok so there isn't anything wrong with iti'll spend the $30 on some steam games then, i'm sure i can actually see the difference between being able to play them and not having them
>>89950260>directstorageBetter yet, the Xbox Series S and X both only support PCIe 3.0.
>>89950278ah yes, i have to halve the 10th of a second that my game takes to load sometimes
>>89950282enjoy half the cache and pcie 3 for muh 30 goylars
>>89950267Because Gigabyte issued a recall on Aorus Ultras because their PCI-E slots were fucked and offered a free replacement with the Aorus Ultra Plus (which is the same board with the issue fixed) so I grabbed a used Aorus Ultra for 180 USD and sent it in for an exchange.Otherwise I wouldn't touch that shit with a thousand yard pole.
>>89950241I'm probably going to go with a TB4 board at some point when TB4 audio interfaces come out.Also, TB4 displays will probably be a thing at some point. >>89950300Fair enough. You're not the target market. Enjoy the money you save. Maybe you should consider a sata drive instead?
>>89950273This is a really complicated topic. If you don't want to research it, get one of these. And the thickness is critical. Research which ones your card needs. Thermalright TFX is hard to work with but it's the ideal paste. You warm up the syringe in a bag in water, and apply a thick layer with credit card.
>>89950303i'm sure i will, and you enjoy your crystaldiskmark tests, because that's all you're gonna notice>>89950316i got no more sata ports, 4x6tb wd blue in raid 0
>>899502414K capture cards, that's pretty much it
>>89950321>fills up cache twice as fast and pc starts running three times as slowyou were in the last thread as well shilling the 970 evo plus, you gonna debate the 970 evo every thread now?
>>89950195How about the RX6750XT? Much better deal with now.
>>89950342i just got up you schizoi've never even talked about nvmes before
>>89950316>Also, TB4 displays will probably be a thing at some point.To use a TB4 display with a desktop you either aren't using a dedicated graphics card or need a DisplayPort IN port on your mobo.The amount of mobos that support such a feature are vanishingly small and also require you to do some incredibly obnoxious cable routing where you route the displayport cable from the back i/o into your case again.
>>89950349Isn't the 6750xt like 50+ dollars more expensive than the 6700xt, while only being like 5% faster? Just get a 6700xt
>Avoid Zen4 (Ryzen 7000 series) - massively overpriced motherboards and poor-performing DDR5.how true is this really?
>>89950009This should be a bannable offence
>>89950320Thanks for the tips I'll try to find information on the thickness that I need
>>89950367>massively overpriced motherboardsobjectively true, don't buy unless you live near enough to a microcenter to get the free DDR5 kit in-store
>>89950353stpp trying to validate your purchase NIGGER
Is there such thing as a 1080p color accurate monitor that is 144hz?
>>89950367First part is truePoor-performing DDR5 is outdated info/pure cope at this point. High-end DDR5 beats the best DDR4 memory in any test. But you're paying like 300 extra fucking dollars for a 5% performance uplift in the majority of applications since most aren't RAM-intensive when you could just sink that money into a better processor instead.That being said bottom-tier DDR5 still performs better than most DDR4 and is only slightly more expensive right now.
>>89949929Will the same happen for a 2400G?
>>89950349if you cant afford the 6800 then just get the 6700XT, the important thing is to not get the 5800X and to save the money and get a 5700X>>89950359this>>89950367microcenter has deals that make it affordable even a great deal (a 16gb kit of 5600 with a 7600X and a free 32gb 5600 kit with the 7700X, 7900X and 7950X), DDR5 performance doesn't really matter all that much.the 7950X is objectively the better choice for multicore over the 13900K.its pretty much a half truth.at the moment Zen4 has been discounted and AM5 motherboard prices are finally dropping below $200, if you're near a microcenter its objectively better value than building Intel.if you're not its a good alternative until the CPU prices go back up.
>>89950390i haven't bought anything you gorilla retardi think it's you who's trying to validate spending extra on stuff you don't actually need
>she isn't buying a 7900XTX on launchngmi
>>89950401it will happen on every modern cpuand even if you manage to do it, without a cooler it will just keep going up in temperature until it reached higher than 100° and shut downcpus have a safety mechanism that if they get too hot they will shut the pc down in order not to damage the cpu itselfso basically not possible
>>89950415>spending extraits like 2 dollars more you gorilla nigger
>>89950427Oh right.I was asking because you definitely don't need a cooler/heatsink for a raspberry pi for it to boot. Then again, the backplate does get hot as fuck when booting into piOS.
>>89950367Honestly, the motherboards (aside from the crazy overclocking boards) have come down in price. There are options below $300 and those boards will be viable for 5+ years. Part of the reason they are so expensive is because AMD basically guaranteed that you'd only have to buy it once every five years if you stay within their ecosystem. >>89950349Just look at the fucking benchmarks for relative performance and decide if the uplift is worth the price.
>>89950421Maybe if you could do something more than just play video games I would. Would be funny if Intel gets good at 3D rendering before AMD.
Headphone recommendations? I'm looking for something comfortable to wear, but I'm not really concerned about audio quality too much.
>>89950401To be clear, this is a function of the BIOS and the motherboard, not the CPU.
>>89950457I wonder where the headphone general went?I haven't looked at the state of the market in years so my recommendations are way out of date
>>89950457There used to be >>>/g/hpg/ for that but there's a sister thread >>>/g/iemg/ If you ask politely enough they might help
>>89950421i got a intel arc a770
what's a good external SSD
Any problems using XMP ram with Ryzen 7000, any anons using here EXPO at 6000 and had any problems?Also where are the sales bruh
>>89950432the 2tb model is the most value per gigwhy are you even considering the 1tb if you want the performance or care about professional work? it obviously fills up fasterthough i see now that the 980 pro doesn't increase in performance with the 2tb model as the 970 evo plus doesanyway now i'm going to buy a kioxia exceria g2 1tb for $60>>89950517your own ssd+your own enclosure
Well, everything I was looking for went up in price here in Australia and it is impossible to build for the same price as a local builder after shipping. How do people build PCs these days? Is it through slow piecemeal acquisitions?
>>89950526>the most value per gigits literally half the cachehow many times do i have to say it
>>89950532i get into my car, turn it on, and drive to microcenter. additionally I will pretend to be as retarded as possible the whole time I’m there
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fzddY9Thoughts on this so far for a 1440p gaming build? The RAM was given to me for free, but it's old 2x8 2133 shit, is it worth it to spring for a faster set? Also considering getting a Corsair 4000D Airflow rather than the dirty used case I currently have.
>>89950517sandisk pro is the industry standard, g-drive is the pro tier
>>89950532I don't know why websites like mwave and pccg have black friday sales and then proceed to discount dragon dildos for 30% and nothing else
>>89950552>1440p 165hz with a 2070 superi doubt you'll be hitting those with that gpualso just get a meshify c for 109, and that ram is absolute shit
How can Intel support a business model where they release i5s that are superior to the previous gen's i7 in pretty much every way?
>>89950580fun fact: If you know how to properly overclock you can make the 13600k run like a 13900k
Is there any reason to get a 240hz monitor for gaming if I don't do esports?
>>89950597its only good for esports games
>>89950552Peerless Assassin 120 SE is like 1/3 the price for the same performance. That RAM is absolute dog shit tier. The GPU isn't gonna be great long term
>>89950597No. Anything higher than 144hz is for CSGO players that play for actual money.
>>89950539where is the significant difference? what will make me regret saving $30? i've been asking this repeatedly and all the answers i get is fduuurrr half cache bad
>>89950613nevermind youre literally braindead im not even gonna reply anymore
>>89950608but what if I want to start playing csgo for actual money
>>89950616i accept your concession
>>89950621get good at 144hz, the monitor won't make you
>>89950591Will it last as long as the 13900k?
>>89950572Should have mentioned the 2070 Super is a mostly a placeholder while I wait around for a good deal on an actual card, I don't expect to have great performance for the time being. I'll look into a set of 2x16 3600 RAM, and is there a particular reason to go with Meshify C over the Corsair 4000D airflow? They seem mostly the same with Corsair being slightly cheaper.>>89950606Thanks, is there a reason it's so much cheaper than a be quiet or noctua?
>>89950580>SuperiorEight P cores vs six
Is there going to be any difference between today's prices and Cyber Monday? Or is it all locked in?
>this one guy trying to justify his 970 Pro purchaseis this what /pcbg/ has become
>>89950580That's bean counter logic that lead intlel into the decline and leading amd into theirs. Sometimes you gotta let lose and follow your inner ork. Make magic rock go faster
>>89950639>Thanks, is there a reason it's so much cheaper than a be quiet or noctua?honestly lol no idea. It's an anomaly, it performs just as good or better in some scenarios for a fraction of the price. I recommend to to pretty much everyone who needs a cheap but very good cooler
>>89950649literally no one here knows. no one here will ever know anything until it happens
>>89950639>particular reason to go with Meshify Cmesh front cover and better value
any news on mid range RX 7000 series yet?thinking about pulling the gun on a 6600/6650XT to solely play runescape
>>89950116>$300that's a funny way of writing $230
>>89950580next gen I9 is probably going to be 6P 16E cores
>>89950664>any news on mid range RX 7000 series yet?No news until early next year. Maybe CES? Maybe Feb? No one knows
>>899506424.90 GHz vs 5.10 GHz
>>89950668already been leaked it will be 2p cores and 24 ecores
>>89950639For me it's the Meshify 2 Compact, I don't need all that extra space
Happy holidays I guess
>>89950682one more hour until it ticks over midnight PST, there's still a chance
I'm upgrading to AM5, the only value a motherboard has is it's ability to let me upgrade cpus and how cheap it is. Should I count on asrock to let me upgrade cpus on their b650m board or should I splurge 10 bucks more for niggabyte
>>89949858just ordered a lg c2 42 for 1315 aud (roughly 890 usd)what price are you guys getting in the states, our tech sector is so shitty but im okay with that pricenow i need to build a decent computer to run it with, i was thinking 7600x with whatever card will perform adequately (say 60 fps maybe having some settings adjusted) with the knowledge next year im going to get an x3d cpu upgrade and if 4090s price drops or is actually at msrp, though im going to wait till the 7000s numbers come out, but in the meanwhile id like a suggestion for a last gen card to tide me over till upgrading cheers
oh my fucking godddd please just make a 27" 1440p 240hz+ mintor that isn't gay ass curved and has some sort of monitor blur tech like purexp+ or dyac+. I'm so fucking sick of waiting and I just can't go back to the 1080p options even though the Viewsonic XG2431 is tempting
>>89950723get a 7900XTX, just stick with whatever card you have and it will probably do at least 20-30fps at 4k
>>89950701based on b350 experience, all of them are trashupgrade paths are a meme anywaywhy would you spend $300-400 every other year for a ~10% uplift
>>89950736>970yeah idk bout that one chief
>>89950723the only build id use for a c2 is 4090 + 13900k but the prices are insane so 3090 is fine if you find it for 1000
>>89950728the new lg ultragear oled for 999$ i guesshttps://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gr95qe-bthough i think they might have a ips model too
how do i find expo ram on PCpartpicker
>>89950457I enjoy my skullcandy hesh 2.they aren't crazy comfortable, but I have an external amp (I can increase the volume of the audio beyond the system's limit), and I play audio with the headset on my desk by increasing the volume when I don't care about other people hearing what I am listening to (I mainly put on my headset for games or music).been doing this for 2 years, but it's probably not too good for your phones (but it's not that loud, I have tinnitus and I generally listen to everything at a pretty low volume, so even when I accidentally forget to lower the volume before putting them on my ears, it's not that actually that loud)
>>89950748ah right, well just drop the resolution to 1080it really isn't worth buying a 6600 or something>>89950747this time the first models of AM5 boards are trash for the opposite reason of the AM4 boards.the VRMs are built for 300A and the socket can only draw 200A, motherboard vendors trying to milk the socket.
>>89950790>it really isn't worth buying a 6600 or somethingyeah thats actually what i was consideringanyway im not pressed because the tv has to come across australia so its gonna be like 2 weeks anyway
>>89950766holy FUG I did not realize they already announced an expected ship date for these. thanks, definitely going to wait for that as 27" 240hz oled is going to blow everything out the water
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/KvTp4sAny obvious issues? Prices are Canadian.Uses will be 1080p gaming until I get a 1440p monitor later, trying out stable diffusion, and dual boot linux for learning web development.GPU is already purchased and I had a spare PSU from last year's black friday.
>>89950712I got stuck on a 3700x because asscock didn't update the bios for the 5000 series cpus till 2 weeks ago https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/>>89950747because I can resell the old cpu right away to reclaim 80% of the value and see the 10% instantly in unoptimized VR trash that I'm addicted to playingI'm tempted to pay the extra 10 for gigabyte because it seems they have a better track record of actually updating the cpu support https://www.tomshardware.com/news/vendors-finally-enable-ryzen-5000-support-on-a320-motherboards if I'm wrong and should pay an addition 50 for the cheapest asses or MSI board let me know bros!
Is there any hope of being able to properly cool a 5900x with a 70mm cooler
the DeepCool Air Cooling ASSASSIN III is 5$ cheaper due to the black friday sales than the CPU cooler I intended to buy which is the Arctic Freezer A35 ARGB, should I get the DeepCool instead? its for a ryzen 5 5600x, rtx 3070, B550M DS3H, 32GB RAM, build
>>899508155600 non x instead of the G it has half the cache
>>89950821my msi b350m mortar can't handle my 5600can't even run a 2666 XMP without bluescreensthe bios is extremely simplified and monochrome too since they don't have the necessary bios sizei wouldn't give any money to msi anymore
>>89950821gigabyte is worse
>>89950608>>89950602Any recommendation for 1440p 144hz monitors?
>>89950836Thanks. I figured there would be some reason why the plain 5600 was more expensive and sold out on most sites.
>>89950580Remember 7700k? Exactly nobody does because it was btfo in less than a half a year by 1600/8400 both which were half the price of 7700k
getting 1TB samsung 970 evo plus SSD, should I get seperate SSD for the windows or its fine if I install everything on one drive?
>>89950803how much does she cost
>>89950545How enviable. I'll do that when I get the spy who lived me underwater car.>>89950566Yeah, after shipping I may as well wait for a techfast build that's mostly in line with my needs and either use meditation to deal with the hideous cases they use or transplant its beating heart into something more tasteful.
>>89950877>windows or its fine if I install everything on one drive?its fine but get the 980 pro instead
>>89950846>>89950854So in conslusion I roll the dice for 150(asscock), 160(niggabyte), or 200 dollars(asses, or msi)... God I hate gaming computers I don't even use IO so all this PCI and expansion shit is a meme!
>>89950889personally id go for msi
So I have 2 SSD 1 as the boot and one for games, the one for games is significantly better specced than the boot drive (but they are the same size). Would I notice any performance difference switching them around?
>>89950887its 24$ more, worth it?
I've got a PNY CS3030 as my current boot I've heard it's got bad endurance. Is there a noticeable performance upgrade if I get a SN770 or a Crucial P5 plus?
>>89950955for 24 more maybe, depends on how much youd want to pay for a ssd and what your budget is
I tried looking around for EXPO vs XMP benchmarks and this is all I find and it's from Yahoo... anyone has any better benchmarks?
>>89950992it's just different methods of storing clocks & timing informationhow the ram performs depends only on the clocks and timings and silicon lottery if you want to overclock
What's the go-to thermal paste these days?
need some cheap but good enough ssd for windows
I currently have 2x 8gb Corsair DDR4 3600mhz cl16 sticks install. Are there any technical drawbacks if I buy 2 more sticks of the same ram and get 4x8 gb?
>>89951132sort by cheapestsort by size you wantget the one at the top of the list
>>89951149Check with your motherboard manufacturer. 2xDR may impact something.
>>89951149using two of the same ram wont always work even if its the same brandalso its harder to xmp with 4 sticks
>>89951132it is the Asus B550-F motherboard
I am in the market for a new desktop for 3D rendering, maybe some gayming from time to time. I have an okay budget on me, but I don't want to go full insane with Quadro GPUs that cost like a good car. I was thinking of 4090. The question is, what is a good CPU to go along with it?
>>89951132970 evo plus
>>89951199>409013700k / 13900kSince you obvs got cash to burn and 3D render, the 13900k is better
>>89951156not available in Australia yet>>89951201don't forget Hyper 212s and Noctua fans that each cost the same as a 5pack of Arctic P12s
>>89950241tons of use for thunderbolt 4, basically anything, money just needs to be a part of the equation haha. I got a b550 and X670E with thunderbolt, I kind of want it to be a baseline on all of my PC's at this point. Feel like in 2022 every device should have a standard 40gbps port that can do display out, power, and data, ie USB4. Thunderbolt can do even more ie daisy-chaining, which USB4 should support but you know USB, always gotta be a tad murky. on itx boards it's hit or miss, it steals pcie lanes, and takes up a decent amount of space.
>>89951206>don't forget Hyper 212s and Noctua fans that each cost the same as a 5pack of Arctic P12sas well as nzxt h510 case for maximum performance
>>89951203Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
>>89951201>>89951206ironic or not, genuinely asking
>>89951231interesting popcorn machine
>>89951231Check Gamers Nexus
yeah fuck it, instead of trying to figure out a cheaper build I'll just save up money so I have more options
>>89951222if you're going to use it for windows, even a 1tb drive can quickly fill up, the sn770 and other dramless drives will lose a lot of speed970 isn't the bestest fastest drive out there but it's okay enough value
>>89951222I did give you a genuine answer.>>89951153just sort by cheapesthttps://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#c1=di_m2.pcie_30_x4,di_m2.pcie_40_x4&A=960000000000,22000000000000&sort=price&page=1
>>89950354I have a ProArt b550 with gpu passthrough and then this X670E taichi with no passthrough, I don't see a functional difference in favor of dGPU passthrough. You lose the USB C port and the dp port, at least you can daisy-chain. On the Taichi the two USB 4 and HDMI port will output separately from the 4 dgpu displays, so 7 in total with Ryzen 700 and a good mobo. I am curious how it could handle 5K 120hz. Do you need to remove or disable the dgpu display out when using a thunderbolt display on Intel?
>>89951251at that point just buy a gigabyte aorus gen4 for the 1tb 2048mb cache same price as 970 evoor just go for a mx500/870 evo sata ssd since it will be cheaper
>>89951251>>89951275ok, I will consider it, aiming for 500GB because the price difference between 256GB and 500GB SSD is too low
It's officially Black Friday, where the fuck are the deals
>>89951292ah ok that doesn't sound bad for the 1tb but i was more talking about 2tb model where it's cheaperi'm basing this on my own experience since i fill up my 1tb os drive very quickly>>89951336this doesn't look bad for a 500gb dram drive, only a $10 difference from dramless oneshttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/rsXJ7P/neo-forza-esports-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-nfp075pci51-3400200check reviews though
Hello, should I buy a set of CMT32GX5M2B5200C38 and a Z690 AORUS PRO for about $285?I've checked and the board has had recent bios released that fix the ram issues, in case that's a concern. Is this a good idea to upgrade to 32GBs of ram? I don't think I can make it 2-3 years with 16GBs and as it currently stands, upgrading to DDR4 32GBs runs me about half of that price, and the other half I can make by selling my current mobo and sticks.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/67yHDqjust need a cpu cooler and im done, suggestions? bought everything else and the samsung ssd/wd hdd are from my current system. i did not pay those prices for the gpu, psu and monitor. this is in CAD btw. thanks
>>89951199>>899512217950x+b650e since the cpu on sale right now
>>89951389god dam, what the fuck do you plan to use that gpu for?
>>89951389>$1800 for a 3080 12gb
>>89949957>he didnt see this in the (((pricing))) charts on pcpartpicker in the 2 year history
>>89951384is there a reason you think 16gb isn't enough? if you regularly notice running out of ram then sure go ahead, that doesn't look like too bad of a pricefor myself, i never recorded using more than 12gb for anything, so i'd prefer speed over capacity
WAITFAGS LOST SO FUCKING BAD AHAHAHAHA WHERE ARE YOUR DEALS???
>>89949896attention whore / 10
>>89951438>7950xah yes the amd gpu
I currently have a 5600x and mostly use my computer for software development, but also occasional gaming.1440p 144hz monitor, and I'm planning on buying a new graphics card soon.Do you think I'd notice anything upgrading to a 5800x3d, or should I just not bother?
>>89951380for example, this is my drive without any games or too many programs installed or even mediaif i kept just a bit more stuff, i'd be constantly running at disk 50% full capacitythe ssd came with my laptop so i don't feel bad about it, but if i had to buy myself, i wouldn't buy any less than 2tb
>>89951482yeah to which
>>89951365You missed them 5 years ago. Black Friday has been garbage for a long time.
>>89951380thoughts on HP SSD 256GB EX920 NVMe 2280 M.2? can get it for 30$
>>89951486>he doesnt have a special hdd just for media filesits overbut yeah programs have become bloated as fuck these past few years, needs to be more optimized
>>89951467I mean is your work heavily multithreaded? should get a 5900X/5950X if so. I'll sell you a cheap 5950x if you're in san diego anon.
>>89951401playing video games
>>89951511Not really, it's mostly just webshit.
>Try to look up reviews for HDR 1440p ultra-wides>"omg it's so much nicer since I'm SUCH a content creator!">"Well, it's not full 4k but it's ultrawide QHWDX!">"Here's some useless shit that I don't like even though it's a universal problem on monitors (speakers) or with my setup (glare from my window) or not enough brightness (because I like ruining my vision)">"Look how good the ergonomics are!" As they hunch over their desk and giraffe their neck>Here's some reviews for variants that you weren't looking for! It's not like you can notice the difference from the random product names even if our servers could (but ignored)WHAT ABOUT THE IPS GLOW OR THE VA SMEAROR THE COLOR ACCURACY AND COLOR SPACEFucking useless.>>89950367Board makers decided buyers were going to pull another AM4 on them and never upgrade MB, so they jacked up prices along with AMD giving them absurd connectivity requirements to fulfill despite the common builder not using much of anything anymore. But didn't realize they'll kill the platform at the same time.>>89951336You probably can't make the pilgrimage, but Microcenter has their knockoff Inland 2.5" SSD for $20. 512GB>>89951486I manage Windows just fine on an old 80gb HDD.Check your User\AppData\LocalLow\Unity games love shoving shit in there and more programs enjoy streaming data to some random AppData folder instead of where you tell them to install (if they give you the option)And you would have to be mentally ill to let your documents pile up on the same drive as Windows.
I think my 4790K and GTX 1080 can still wait until Starfield and GTA 6.Any guesses on the system requirements for those?
>>89951509sounds like a deal>>89951510i actually do, i'll post my 2.5" stash when i get homeby media i mean just pics and webms i downloaded from the internet>>89951520depends on your gpu but mostly not worth it
>>89951548probably 16gb ram, ryzen 3600, 3060 as recommended
Well hello there, an actual black friday deal
>>89949858whats the cheapest TVs for this that isn complete eyerape?LG CX?
I bought a used 3080 10gb for 605 euro.Please give me buyer's regretThank you
should I get a corsair 4000d air flow, a nzxt h510 flow, or a fractal pop air?
>>89951634>Please give me buyer's regretIt's not 12GB version lmao
>>89951634How much was the 12Gb / Ti compared to it?Your regret will depend on that
>>89951451disappointing but it was to be expected. got most of what i already wanted anyway. i like how some random amazon wishlisted items ive had for weeks have gone up in price so they can be slashed down for the illusion of a sale
>>89951644https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3080&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1the EU market is no good bros
>>89951451Buychad…. I just need a little time.
Do CPU IMCs, specifically Zen 4, care about timings? I've heard some reports of people having stability issues with 6000MHz RAM but 5600 working just fine. Does that mean any 5600 kit will work fine or could it also have issues if the timings are tight enough?
>>89951635Consider the Lian Li O11 Air Mini
>>89951467>>89951499I'm very tempted.>>89951635I went with a white Corsair 4000D Airflow recently. Mainly just because I like how it looks, though.
Thinking about getting a 5600x or 5700x to replace my 2700x. But I don't know if my motherboard fully supports it. It's a Tuf x470-plus gaming. The website says it should work, but I'm scared it's too old.
>>89951686It should be fine, but it'll need a BIOS update if you haven't already done it.
>>89951686x370's support 5000 series even b450's support 500 series what makes you think a x470 wont work
>>89951451they're in Q1 2023
>>89951685what gpu were you planning to buy and how soon?
>>89951685do it breh>>89951686it does support it, B450 and x470 had support of Zen3. update your bios.B350 and X370 didn't until the start of the year when AMD backflipped because of 12th gen.
>it's finally Black Friday>no sales on GPUs>the prices just went up over the last monthWaitchads... we fucking lost...
>>899517137900 XTX, and after I see some Linux benchmarks.If I can't get one, then maybe something good from previous gen.
>>89951725what did you have your eye on that you wanted to get a sale for?
Is there a modern PSU tier list anywhere? I basically just want a solid 500-600W (I really really don't need more, I always undervolt my GPU and run the CPU with a lower power limit) that is dead silent.
>>89951725What are you talking about 5800x3d is like 150$ cheaper. Wait fags can't stop winning.
>>89951740>$70 off MSRP on a two-year-old card>and to top it off, it's Gigashite
>>89951750it was refurbished so I deleted lol they don't make that stand out for a reason, shysters.
>>89951742Sure bro here you go>Top tier: Diablotek>Shit tier: SeasonicThank me later :)
>>89951635Lancool 216, if you can wait for a couple of weeks
>>89951725We didn't really lose but we sure didn't gain much. Slightly cheaper monitors and cards finally at their MSRPs.We're waking up from a long crypto nightmare and we have a long hangover ahead of us as Nvidia thrashes about trying to figure out what to do about their self-inflicted problems.
>>89951714>do it brehOkay, done. Should be fun.Not sure why I'm still so cheap with shit like this.
>>89951663>Almost as fucked as the UK marketiktfb
What's currently the most expensive production card? I never kept up with QUADRO stuff
is 6900xt the new 1080ti?
>>89951740>be american>earn the most in the world>complain about 400$ gpuAmericans are mentally ill. I wish I could get 3070 for 600$ let alone for 400.
>>89951698>>89951700>>89951714Alright, I'll do it.
>>89951784>is amdogshit the new <any nvidia card>lol no
>>89951777>you should get it by Dec 1.hello based department?
>>89951785Americans are mentally ill for wanting lower prices...which you also want. lol bitter bastard.
>>89951792shouldn't you be dilating your asshole with a 4080?
>>89951784Maybe, if we can still get them at reasonable prices once the next gen shit is out.>>89951785The more I earn the less I want to spend.I don't get it either.
>>89951795Nah you're mentally ill for crying about having the lowest prices in the world while also having the highest wages. >be american>oh no I only saved 100k this year how will I survive winterLiterally mental illness.
>>89951808>Maybe, if we can still get them at reasonable prices once the next gen shit is out.i see 6900 xt for 699 euros here in germany
how many people here unironically believe in online black friday
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SALE
>>89951822me. i was waiting and thinking about it all week
>>89951822looking at the posts like 90% of posters. Which only proves average iq of /pcbg/ is in single digits.
>>89951822Santa is real to me goddamn it
>>89951808>if we can still get them at reasonable prices once the next gen shit is out.when the 7900XTX releases they'll drop to $550 and that will also be the 7700XT RRP.7800XT will be $700
>>89951817americans are the largest market in the worldif they don't complain about prices, everyone in the world gets increased pricesnow shut the fuck up
>>89951817I don't talk like that at all, I tried to give anon a deal. I bought a 4090, a $500 motherboard, a $700 CPU, $400 of ram, and I ate steak and lobster that night. Do you want me to keep bragging bitch?
>>89951836$550 would be nice.>>89951822Yeah, it's pretty shit. I swear prices were similar a month or two ago.
>>89951844Your crying doesnt affect prices here at all so I can laugh at you all I want.
settle down retards
gpusnviidia or amdeach tier i guess say 1-2-3-4-5 tiers of performancewho wins each category
>>89951852The most sane american>keep braggingEverything is better than people with top 0.0001% earnings in the world crying that they cant afford something.
Do AMD cards still suck and are pointless?>Avoid zen 4 What’s the current meme cpu? Is Intel better buy this gen?
>>89951467At 1440p that isn't enough of a jump to be worth it. In some competitive games, with a high end card (3080 and over) you could see a decent jump, but in demanding games the difference will be unnoticably small.
>>89951875>What’s the current meme cpu13600k i guess
>>89951876Already ordered it, so we'll see.Maybe I'll do some benchmarking before/after I install it.
>>89951864tier 1: 6500xt vs 3050: 6500xt wins, half the pricetier 2: 6600 vs 3060: 6600 wins again on price but 3060 is solid and has 50% more vramtier 3: 6600XT vs 3060ti: 6600XT wins again on price, same vram but if you need cuda it ain't a question.Tier 4: 6800XT vs 3080/Ti: 6800XT wins on availability and price, if you need it to work, you know what you need at this level.Tier 5: 7900XTX vs 4090: 4090 wins at everything by dp2.0, but 7900XTX will be $600 less.On the high end, I am an unabashed Nvidia fan but on the mid-range and low end, I will shill AMD all day.
>>89951898>3: 6600XT vs 3060ti: 6600XT wins again on price, same vram but if you need cuda it ain't a question.im a big fan of amd and the 6600 xt but its not better than a 3060 ti even with better pricing
>MSI Z690-A Pro is $160>With wifi it's $220>An internal TP-Link AX3000 wifi 6E adapter is a black friday deal on Amazon for $40I feel like there's a catch here
>>89951875the 6600 is so cheap its also cheaper than the 3050
>>89951903for $100+ less? I guess I shoulda put 6700XT considering it's $350 now.Also meant>if you need it FOR work, you know what you need at this level.
Hold the phone, the Zotac 3070 showed up on Amazon for $450
>>89951822Newegg has 11% off most things up to $100
>>89951920>for $100+ less?yea imo its worth the 100 extra bucks considering its great performance and features, but if youre on a budget and dont care about very high fps, ray tracing or 1440p or you wanna keep it budget then the 6600 xt is great too for 1060p60fps ultra settings
>>89951941I mean you can find 6600xt for like $230...most 3060ti's are still over $400 msrp. 6700xt is like an exact match in performance for $50 less so that is the obvious equivalent.
>>89951871>Everything is better than people with top 0.0001% earnings in the world crying that they cant afford somethingI can certainly agree with you on that. We have the fattest, richest "poor" people in the world.
>>89951956>I mean you can find 6600xt for like $230...most 3060ti's are still over $400 msrp.ive seen 3060 ti's for 380,i think the 6700 xt is only really better if youre talking about raw performance and vram, it will definitely age better than a 3060 ti but for this generation the 3 kings are 6600xt, 3060 ti abd 3080 10gb, for best value and price to performance, bonus mention is the 6650xt if you find it for same price as a 6600xt
VG258QM it is. wanted to get the XL2546K but 2.5x the price is a bit much.
>>89949050The AK400 is about 16€ more than the 212, which I'm getting for 33€. Is the performance that much better to justify the purchase? I could get a Deepcool AK400 like another post suggested (for an extra 8€), would that be better?>>89949052I was going to, but they sold out instantly. I can get the 12400 or 12600K(F) for 100€, and it doesn't seem worth it as I believe a 12400 can work with a 3060.>>89949067Yeah I assumed, but it's 33€, whereas an is about 80€ where I am. Seems like a 12400 comes with a shitty cooler so I assumed that a Hyper212 would be decent bang for the buck. 980 is a good deal yes, and the PSU is on sale, the gold one is 100€, whereas the platinum is 105€ so I might as well.>>89949119Previous CPU isn't very good, and since I'm moving soon I'm leaving my old PC to my brother. This PSU I wouldn't consider if it were at regular price but the deal seems good. Thank you for the PSU advice, I will seriously consider it.>>89949259>>89949347I'm putting it into a mATX case, hence the mATX board. It isn't the newest, but it is easy to work with and didn't have airflow problems so far.>>89949502I did say that the prices on pcpartpicker don't really reflect the situation, but I did forget to post where I'm buying from. I'm getting the mobo I picked for about 130€ from Germany, and the one you suggested is about twice the price everywhere I can find it (don't know why). I have a mATX case from before, and it has been good while I used it. You are right about the slots, but I don't think I will need more than that for the next 5-6 years (probably). I'll swap the SSD, thank you.Thanks for the suggestions everyone, I'll look around some more for any other deals.
Did I do bad getting a 6950xt since I got tired of wait?
>>899520546950 xt isnt really worth it over a 6900 xt
>>89952054Yeah, the 7900 look way better
>>89952051*for 100€ more**Deepcool AK620 is 80€
>>89952051check out the list i made its superior for less priceunless germany prices are different>>89949171
>>89952058>>89952059Oh well, guess I'll just wait for the next gen gpus from Nvidia and AMD since I hope by then 4k 120hz can be attainable and the norm.
>>89952054probably equivalent to a 7750XT when RDNA3 refreshes early 2024>>89952058yes it is, its the 6650XT and 6750XT that just add more heat and energy consumption for no outcome.it moves Navi 21 from being behind the 3090 to being above the 3090 and just below the 3090ti>>89952067thats 40€ over the RRPthere's other options like the Scythe Fuma 2 or the Thermalright Peerless Assassin
>>89952105>6700 xt*6700 non XT
So I’ve got some slice engineering boron nitride paste for my 3D printer hotend.. the thermal conductivity is 31.4 W/mK at 100 °C. Would this be a lot better to use than regular thermal paste for a cpu next time I do a build?
>>89951199>>89951203The power draw and heat output of the 13900 and a 4090 combo is insane. Take that into consideration.
>>89951856i’m not even americani can’t see how you’re looking at these price increases and don’t think “yeah this is the fault of complacent consoomtards who just eat up any price they’re given”
RTX 4080 or RTX 3090Ti? I'm looking at Newegg and the 4080 seems to generally be cheaper or at least near same price as the 3090ti.
would you recommend an upgrade from a 3700x to a 5800x3d? do you think an arctic freezer 34 duo esports would be able to keep the new cpu cool?
>>89952525yes and yes
>>89952551thanks for the reply. can you tell me how to keep 5800X3D temperatures low by changing parameters in the bios? i was reading something about undervoltage but i am not sure... anyway i have an x570 tuf plus wifi and 32gb ddr4 3600 ram
>>89952525no and yesadd the price of the 5800x3d to whatever gpu budget you had
>>89952184That means I can't do without water-cooling?
>>899524694080 ofc. That said, right now might be the actual worst time to buy a gpu. Wait until 10. Dec for 7900xtx and for nvidia to cut prices on the 4080.
>>89952724from 1050ti to what? i'll play fullhd
>>89953021you were going to pair the 5800x3d with a 1050ti?
My elite controller broke, shill me a good pc controller
>>89951545>shitting on monitor reviewersbasedrtings.com, pcmonitos.info, hardwareunboxedthat's it, that's all we have to go on>ultrawidesnever. only 16:9 if you don't want to get cucked
>>89951621cx/c1 at 48 inches, if you can even find them anymorec2 at 42 inches will be easy to find plus smaller.
>>89953108actually with a 3700x