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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
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Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)
State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped

>NEWS
LG 27GR95QE announced; flat 27" 1440p 240Hz OLED $1000
Recent releases: Intel 13th gen; RTX 4090 (AD102) + RTX 4080 (AD103); AM5 / Zen 4; Intel Arc GPUs A770 and A750
RTX """4080""" 12GB (AD104) snuffed, likely reincarnated as a 4070 Ti releasing early Jan
RX 7900 XT/X (Navi31) $900/$1000 Dec 13th release

>CPUS**
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105
Gaming: R5 5600, i3 12100/F; extreme: i5 13600K
Multicore: R9 7950X; budget: i5 13600K/F
**Existing AM4 board with an old chip? A Zen 3 CPU is likely the best option

>GPUS
1080p: RX 6600; budget: used GTX 1660 Super
1440p: RTX 3080 10/12GB; budget: RX 6800 XT, RTX 3070
2160p: RTX 4090; budget: RTX 3080 12GB
Amateur production: RTX 3060 (VRAM), RTX 3090, RTX 4090 (compute+VRAM)

>RAM
2x 8GB (consider 2x 16GB) DDR4 3600 MT/s CL18
2x 16GB DDR5 6000 MT/s CL30

>COOLERS
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>PSUS
Aim for 50-75% PSU utilization at full system load
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>SSDS
Standouts: SK Hynix Platinum P41, Kingston KC3000, WD SN770, Crucial P5 Plus
Avoid: Samsung 970 EVO Plus
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>MOTHERBOARD INFO:
AM4 B550/X570 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature advisable if pairing with Ryzen 5000
LGA1700 B660/Z690 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature required if pairing with Core 13th gen
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-600-series-boards-for-raptor-lake

>GAMING MONITORS
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4D

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>>89939304
>advertising image in the OP
Lol you're shit at making threads idiot.
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Me agian. Its a 3070 non ti btw
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>>89939304
They're still selling 3600s? KEKW
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>>89939304
>no 13th gen intel

ah
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>>89939304
>those Micro Center deals
I wished my state had one.
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hello I hate asus
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how much performance difference am i looking at with 3200mhz ram on a r5 5600 vs 3600mhz
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Wish I lived new a microcenter. Ended up buying a $400 i7 13700k off ebay and worrying it'll show up bricked or something.
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hi yes hello i have a question
i am building a new pc with a z790 board and i have 6 case fans can i plug all of these case fans into the motherboard along with another 2 for the cpu cooler or will i need splitters
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What the fuck should I upgrade bros?

Any good compatible cpus or good gpu upgrades worth less than $300?
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>>89939304
>**Existing AM4 board with an old chip? A Zen 3 CPU is likely the best option

5800X3D still a good option if buying new.
>$40 RAM is optimal
>dirt-cheap B550 boards
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>>89939417
intel arc a770
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>>89939412
Depends on how many fan headers your mobo has. Does your case have a fan controller?
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>Find decent motherboard with BIOS flash ability
>Max RAM speed is 2133 MHz
God fucking dammit.
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>>89939364
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>>89939456
i got this case because it came with a cool powersupply so i guess not
should i get a fan controller to? if so what one?
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>>89939454
>intel arc a770
...
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Shill me a 5200-DDR5 ram
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>>89939500
take the arc pill anon
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>>89939464
Description is probably wrong
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>>89939508
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>>89939304
Is the b450M + R5 3600 deal worth it? Looks very tempting. it's a pretty good processor, right?
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>>89939513
Could be. I find it hard to believe a Z690 would cap its memory at 2133 mhz.
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>>89939364
>>89939483
I have a feeling there is absolutly no merit to the "tuf" branding from asus
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>>89939318
You're mad because you're not from the USA. Those are some of the only "deals" that anons are getting this Black Friday / Cyber Monday. I agree with moot: I hate Australians so fucking much

>>89939367
Depends on the latency, but generally not very much. If you get extremely trash tier 3200MT/s RAM, like JEDEC 3200CL22, you going to see a significant performance improvement when moving to 3600CL14 if (and this is a big if) you end up in a CPU limited situation. If you're getting the normal value RAM like 3200CL16 or 3600CL18, you're not going to see a big difference at all, but may as well get the higher bandwidth since effective latency is the same and they also cost the same

>>89939417
Update BIOS, drop in a 5600 non-X. There aren't any great GPU deals right now, so maybe look into upgrading other parts of your system, like peripherals

>>89939449
It's ok, definitely an option though. I'd rather have a 13600K with DDR4 for better emulation etc. The 13th gen i5 is more consistent in my opinion, and of course even if you're primarily gaming, it has a much higher multicore perf as a bonus.
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Could slow RAM be causing my system to lock-up and require hard resets? Even just browsing the internet the crashes occur. No BSOD or anything, just total freeze. I recently upgraded to:
>mobo: tuf gaming z690 plus d4
>cpu: i7-12700k
>gpu: rtx 3080
But did not upgrade my ram, which is 2x8gb G skill 2133 Mhz
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>>89939528
I was using that setup plus a 5700XT for the last 3 years, handles 1080p gaming no problem, and 1440p on medium settings will get you around 60fps for most games
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>>89939599
>>89939504
pls reply, haha
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>>89939612
Slow RAM wouldn't ever clause lockups, bad RAM or a bad motherboard would
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>>89939713
Mobo is brand new, BIOS and firmware updated, all chipset and intel shit updated, gpu drivers updated.
Have tested the memory with memtest and it checked out with 1 pass.. quite troublesome
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>>89939454
Its absolute garbage.
You can get 6650xt for the price
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>>89939599
>If you're getting the normal value RAM like 3200CL16 or 3600CL18
i'm looking at 3200 cl16 and 3600 cl17
i dont know about jedec things
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This might be a dumb question, but with a 6950xt and 5800x3d will I get bottle necked at 1080p? I'll eventually switch to 1440p, but at the moment I'm only on 1080p.
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>>89939599
>You're mad because you're not from the USA. Those are some of the only "deals" that anons are getting this Black Friday / Cyber Monday. I agree with moot: I hate Australians so fucking much
What are you talking about schizo? I made the last thread australian themed because it happened to be midnight there at the time.

Anyway, it's good to know on top of being a complete idiot and an angry shill, you're also a hypocrite who's resorted to making early threads.
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>>89939797
No
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>>89939304
Lancool 216 : 99$
Lancool 216 EU version : 140€ - 160€

Living here just straight up fucking sucks monkey dick.
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>>89939814
That's good to know, because I thought my cpu might not be powerful enough for the gpu.
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>>89939829
At least we don't get school shootings every other week.
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>>89939764
>Mobo is brand new
Doesn't mean a thing
Possible to always get a bad one
As a last ditch thing, I would reinstall WIndows if you haven't already
I have had a HDD issue cause the system to lock up
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So seems like I'm either looking to go with the Fuma II or the AS620 with an offset fan in case my ram is too fat for it (which I have not). Which do I go for? 13600k btw
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>>89939840
I have this 24" BenQ I paid $260 for from like 6 years ago. Still working just fine.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ironjically/saved/7z7Kqs

Country: USA
Use Case: 1440p 144fps gaming, emulation
Budget: $2350 (yes, this build is over budget)

I'm most likely not going to build until a few weeks into January because I want to see what happens with the 4070.
Haven't decided between Intel or AMD yet, I'm leaning toward Intel as of current.
Let me know if there's any parts that are overkill or underkill. (ala, spend less on this and more on that)
The reason I've decided to design this build so early is so that maybe I can get some parts locked in so that maybe I can pick some of them up this black friday for cheap. For instance, the Crucial SSD I have here is 40% off right now so I will probably pick that up this week at least.
The GPU isn't locked in. Its just meant to be whatever is the cheapest 3080 12gb.
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>>89939561
the components on PCB are actually pretty decent and fans/build quality too, it's the weird almost like intentional design fuck ups that are bad
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>>89939880
Is BenQ a reputable brand?
It sounds like Engrish
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>>89939612
>slow RAM be causing my system to lock-up
No. Did you start with a fresh Windoze install? This is more >>>/g/fwt related

>>89939764
Check the Windows Event Viewer. As I said, this is more of >>>/g/fwt question

>>89939528
>Is the b450M + R5 3600 deal worth it?
It's a good deal on a budget if you're going to pair it with an RX 6600 or below. The only sneaky caveat in my opinion is that the board only has PCIe 3.0, which is limiting in terms of max transfer rates of NVMe drives and some of Radeon's trash tier graphics cards like the 6500 XT that only have x4 PCIe lanes, so they're crippled if not paired with a 4.0 system.

>>89939464
Almost every half decent board will be able to OC memory even if it's not listed. This goes for for any of the 500 series AM4 chipsets, and the B560, B660, and Z chipsets for LGA1700

>>89939639
Skipped because you're a homosexual

>>89939785
Basically equivalent

>>89939797
Sometimes, yes. Depends on which games you're playing. If you're not switching to 1440p almost immediately, buy something that gives you the performance you want at 1080p. By the time you get a 1440p monitor, a 6900 XT will be weak for 1440p. Already is in my opinion
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>>89939931
>Skipped because you're a homosexual
rude
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>>89939894
You could save some money by switching to the Z690 version of that board. The only real difference between you get an extra PICe 4.0 NVME slot an extra USB 3.2 port. There's no performance difference between Z690 and Z790 unless you are getting DDR5, which you are not.
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Just bought this monitor, what do you think?
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I wanted to get a 13600K, and I've narrowed my motherboard choices down to these 3:
>the Asus rog strix B660,
>Gigabyte B660 aorus master,
>Gigabyte Z690 gaming x.
They all have some kind of BIOS flashback utility, and frankly, from what I can tell they all seem to perform about the same. I'm leaning towards the Asus one, however. Of course, any feedback or recommendations would also be appreciated.
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>>89939304
got the 12700k combo, pretty good deal desu senpai
got a 1tb 980 as well, looking forward to running 2 M2 and getting rid of my SATA HDD/SDD
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>>89939927
>the components on PCB are actually pretty decent
I wish people cared more about the solder quality and the mechanical design as that is really what is going to make a card last rather than the bajillion 90amp power stages tossed on the PCB.
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any black friday deals I should look at? I'm still running my I5-2500k but am thinking about finally upgrading. I need a mini-itx mobo, cpu, ram, nvme. preferably AMD. what's the best deals out there. my 2500k still does everything I need it to do, but eventually it's gonna give up the ghost from being powered on for well over 11 years now.
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>>89939992
if you're overclocking you'll need the z690
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>>89939985
back pic
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>>89939999
Same, way to good of a deal to pass up considering what I'm currently running
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13700 or 12700?
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>>89940049
if you can get the 12700k deal you'd be a fool not to, saving hundreds of dollars for ~10% less performance but better thermals
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>>89940031
Mom what's for dinner tonight
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>>89939807
You spam every day and have for weeks, as is well documented. You're a piece of shit. You're a cheater because you're a loser if you don't cheat, and you're a loser because you're a weakling. All around faggot
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/op%20spam/filename/screenshot/

>>89939880
>Still working just fine.
Does it have adaptive sync?

>>89939992
If you're getting a K CPU, a waste not to get a Z board in my opinion. You might be able to undervolt on the B boards, depends on what you want to do.

>>89940049
Not the correct comparison. It's 13600K vs 12700/K or 13700K vs 12900/K. Also if you have to ask you're retarded and probably don't need either one
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>>89939930
Back then I was really into e-sport autism and many fps pros used BenQ monitors.
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>>89940090
Thank you for continuing to seethe like the mentally unstable idiot you are :)
I'll continue making threads though. AM5 is an unstable platform and people should be rightly discouraged from using it. It'll be funnier when you complain now that you've exposed yourself as a hypocrite.
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>>89940090
https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-XL2411-Equalizer-Vibrance-Competitive/dp/B01H5KKQTM
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good laptops I'll start: ROG Strix G15 (G513RW)
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copped a Hynix P41 2TB and a Gigabyte M32U today
Good black friday desu
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>>89940031
do you ever let random dudes from the internet cum on you? drop your OF
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>>89939975
I’m not sure what you’re talking about by saving money. The Z690 boards are marginally cheaper lol, unless I want a shitty ASRock board.
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>>89940154
>hypocrite
So I should just let you freely spam? Nope. You'll be b& again soon. I gave you plenty of time to change your ways, as is well documented. You're likely one of the spammers who's been active in /pcbg/ for years, considering your posting style. I never post early unless there's a problem with a spammer like you. You can post whatever you want, just post after 310. But you won't because you're a cheater with an agenda, as documented.

>>89940158
TN and no adaptive sync. I guess I can understand keeping it if you have strict budgets, but I would have moved on. I hate screen tearing and V-sync

>>89940210
>Hynix P41 2TB
Nice.
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>>89939894
>3080 over a 6950xt
dropped
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>>89940307
You can do whatever you like, you're still a hypocrite and a mentally unstable moron.
By the way, I have never been banned for a single post or thread related to /pcbg/. Once again proving how big of a moron and a newfag you are, believing deleted posts always means a ban.

Nothing funnier than a mentally challenged sperg like yourself going into meltdown.
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>>89940003
how can you fuck up the solder quality.
Most of the cards, even the expensive ones are reference design with bare minimum cheapest components.
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>>89940292
You can get the 7690 version of that board for $160 on Amazon right now. You're welcome.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-DDR4-ProSeries-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09GLD6LYW?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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>>89939975
Also forgetting you don't have to flash bios to use CPU with the z790
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>>89939931
>Basically equivalent
cool, can some other anons confirm this
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>>89940158
>this used to be $260
You can buy monitors now that are about $150 that are 24" and 165+hz, free/G sync too. Or something like pic related. How far we've come...
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>>89940390
such an insignificant procedure as long as it has bios flash that it isn't worth mentioning
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>>89938878
>780 for a 3080 damn son
>its fuckin used
Playing chink miner roulette there boy
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Why are people saying this is a bad black friday? If I built my new rig a month ago I would have spent at least $200-250 extra.
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>>89940432
the only significant price drops have been CPUs and drives, and those dropped over a month ago. Black Friday itself is awful; stuff like PSUs are more expensive than they were 2 months ago.
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forget about bullshit like memory overcocking or kratos flashbacks and what not
which motherboard manufacturer allows for the highest res and best quality custom boot logo?
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None of you know shit. This is fourth thread on which nobody will be capable of answering a simple question:
>What is an alternative to Intel's AX210? Wi-fi 6E, BT 5.3, solid name brand?
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>>89940413
It's still less hassle you have to go through to sweeten the deal of getting the z790 over the 690
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>>89940425
599 used, 780 new.
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>>89940463
Is it an $90 convenience though?
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Do you think upgrading to 32GB of RAM from 16 is overkill?
i9-10900K and 3070 btw, but my mobo is a Z490-E
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>>89940451
There is no alternative to perfection
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>I missed 6950xt sales
FUCK
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>>89940500
No. It's a cheap upgrade.
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>>89940487
you never know these days, people pay extra for their food on doordash everyday just so they won't have to walk a couple blocks to get takeout
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>>89940358
>how can you fuck up the solder quality.
There are different grades of solder made from all different alloys.
The cheapest alloys like tin-copper while they do work don't take thermal cycles well and can crack in a relatively short time.
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>>89940500
you can still be absolutely fine on 16, you don't need 32 unless you need extra RAM for specific workloads
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>>89940487
what msi z690 is $140
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>>89940500
Are you going to do anything that requires 16 extra gigs of RAM? If you were you probably wouldn't be asking that question
I feel like 90% of you people are "upgrading" for the sake of it and buying shit you don't actually need just because it's on sale
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this doesnt sound like coil whine bros....
>>>/wsg/4845196
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>>89940555
I highly doubt there are many cards out there where solder quality is actually an issue.
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>>89940568
>>89940376 is $160.
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>>89940528
I believe walking in america is fraught with dangers such as stray bullets, cops and niggers
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With DDR5, what are the main benefits of going from 5600MHz to 6000MHz on the same timing/latency?
Will it only benefit game frame rates? Is it largely worthless in a workstation? For what it's worth, my CPU will be a 7950X.
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how come i never hear anything about ultrawide anymore?
was it really just a fad?
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>>89939930
yes
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>>89940593
>on sale
okay, off sale the difference is only $20 which is 100% worth it for the extra convenience.
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>>89940660
it takes literally seconds to put a bios on a usb and flash it
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>black friday sales
>eastern euro
there is no god here
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>>89940644
yea, basically
im proud to say that in these threads, i've been shitting on ultrawides for their horrible value for a long, long time
surely other monitor autists have been doing the same elsewhere on the internet
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>>89940588
The fucked up thing is we'll never know
By the time issues crop up the cards will be irrelevant and not a single soul will care your card died just out of warranty.
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>>89940660
I can agree to that but you should absolutely jump on that $160 board since it's so cheap. It's not like there's a performance difference, especially at DDR4.
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>>89939599
Do you have a graph like this but for DDR5?


Also, is there any problem with using XMP on Zen4?
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>>89940357
Say what you want. I didn't say you were b& for that post (assuming little shithead), but if I cared I could pull up purges of your posts from the archives, which is a clear indication of a ban. But I don't see a need to when I posted a very recent deletion of one of your OPs for spamming. No more (you)s

>>89940413
Not sure about getting the BIOS updated on a Z690, but especially if you're an AM4 and an old BIOS you're likely to have to flash prerequisite BIOSes, and the process is not well explained. Best to avoid the complication if you can for cheap

>>89940432
Depends on what you're considering as the base price. Kind of doubt it

>>89940451
You have to look at the actual chips used because a lot of them will just use Intel's. Can't tell you more than that. No one here is bothering fucking about with Wifi modules, as most people barely use them for more than BT. If it's a muh freedumz question, ask in >>>/g/fglt
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3gZQ9r

ok, I don't know what I'm doing so tell me how much I fucked up here and what I'll need to change
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>>89940679
That card is not $2000 USD
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>>89940746
mobo is ddr4 not ddr5 so change the ram
psu is silly get a 750 watt gold of your preferred brand
not too bad beyond that
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>>89940724
You said "You'll be b& again soon", which was an attempt to imply I've been banned before.
No need to larp as a mod, idiot. You're just a mentally ill, very angry little sperg.

>But I don't see a need to
You also can't, because no such thing ever happened.
It has happened with you a few times though :) I guess that's how you found out LOL.
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I'm debating on either 440 dollar b stock 3070 or a 1050 dollar 3080TI for 1050. The 3080TI still seems like a bit of a rip though even for 1440p gaming but would probably future proof me better. I was gonna get the 3070 anticipating it would last me until either prices chill out or AMD get their act together with the next gen. I assume even a few years from now I can sell and recover it.

So what do you guys think
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Are these up to date?

Why would anyone pay extra for 990 Pro when its barely beating the 980 Pro?
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>>89940500
If you have to ask, you don't need to upgrade

>>89940613
>same timing/latency?
Increasing bandwidth at the same timings (e.g., going from 5600CL30 to 6000CL30) is an effective latency decrease. It makes sense if you think about or have a basic understanding of what's going on at a physical level.

>Will it only benefit game frame rates?
Mostly latency is relevant to gaming. Look up benchmarks for your specific workloads.

>>89940644
Some people like the aspect ratio. Little Timmy from HWUB and Adam from pcmonitors.info both run the AW3423DW as their daily driver. Those of course are people who are monitor nerds.

>>89940704
>Do you have a graph like this but for DDR5?
No, but there have been quite a few RAM scaling investigations by the usual suspects, like HWUB and others. However, take HWUB in particular with a grain of salt. Only their data, not their conclusions, is worthwhile and even then the data is often questionable. But you can at least get some idea of the scaling
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>>89940746
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3gZQ9r
a-anon...

-replace 12600k/z690 with 5600/b550
-ignore the above if you're getting an awesome deal from microcenter
-if you go with the suggested am4 build, replace the ram with 32gb (2x16) of 3200cl16 or 3600cl18 ddr4
-replace the nvme with wd sn770 or samsung 980pro or sk hynix p41, whichever is cheapest (normally the 770, but discounts)
-replace the 6800 with a 3060ti or 3070 (3060ti for best value, 3070 if you intend to keep it for a long time, for extra 10% perf)
-add a 5pack of actic p12 pwm fans for the case, and a couple y-splitters
-replace psu with 650w gold rated, evga/corsair/seasonic
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>>89940793
because it’s the best. 990 is a halo product
That testing methodology is fucked though, the SN850X should be beating the 980 handily.
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>>89940792
get the 3070
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>>89940792
6700XT works great for me at 60fps 1440p. I'm sure a 6800 or 6900 would obviously be better.

Could potentially wait for the 7000 series cards to drop which will affect prices.
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>>89940746
I don't like it. Read OP.

>>89940792
3070 if you're buying right now. $440 doesn't really seem like a great price considering you're only getting a one year warranty (IIRC)

>>89940793
If that's pcpartpicker, not the place to find info about SSDs. There are technical reviews all over the web, like at techtesters, tweaktown, tomshardware, and techpowerup. They might not all have the 990 Pro but most of them will

>>89940875
>6700XT works great for me at 60fps 1440p
Very mediocre when you could have gotten a 3060 Ti for a similar price, assuming you live in the USA. DLSS is a killer feature for that tier of card at 1440p.
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>Acer 27" Nitro VG270UPbmiipx
>Asus 27" TUF Gaming VG27AQZ
>27" Odyssey G50A S27AG50
Which one of these is better?
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i cant decide between 4k 60hz or 1440 144 on a 27 inch monitor, ive been thinking about it for a wekk. Someone make up my mind
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>>89940968
If you're gaming, high refresh rate trumps all.

>>89940964
>better
For what purpose, retard?
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>>89940776
Nta, but....
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Fucking ngredia
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>>89940987
For browsing 4chan and raging at noobs in games, what else?
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>>89940968
At 27in you won't notice the difference between 1440 and 4k and you're going to have fucked up scaling. Go with the high refresh monitor of you're sticking to 27in. 4k only really comes into play for 32in and larger.
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Quick "I'm stick with 1080p again" 5 year build I threw together after crying about GPUs, pls rate and hate. CPU/Mobo is the bundle from micro center

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qxkDNc
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>>89940959
Yeah 1 year is not great but from what I've seen evgas b stock is pretty great. If it doesn't fail on one year then probably will be fine. I know the other cheapest non chink option is msi has one for 550
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>>89941027
4090 instead of 6600 and you are good
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>>89939417
A 5700x for $200 would be a massive upgrade and you sail on that for another 4yrs. Or get a 6600 for $200 or 6600XT for $250. Your choice anon, both great options. If you can stretch to $400 you can do both.
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>>89940993
I pray for the retards who bought that
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>>89941012
>At 27in you won't notice the difference between 1440 and 4k
What about going from 1080p to 1440p is there any considerable difference? at 27in?
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>>89941113
Yes. You'll notice the jump from 1080 to 1440
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>>89940793
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should I pay to the store 20$ to install me windows on the build I am getting from them? (I picked all the parts from their store and they will assemble) I am willing to learn to install windows and do it if it will optimize my pc but if its not necessary and the store can do good enough job its worth the 20$ in my view
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I really want to build a tiny mini-ITX gaming rig. Any recommendation on a nice, tiny case that can hold a huge modern video card?
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What are the best b550 options around $130-150 for this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scCwXy
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>>89941196
b550 tomahawk (non-wifi) is $155 at newegg
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>>89941027
The 12600k doesn't need a cooler that expensive unless you're really planning on pushing OC. Literally just grab the Peerless Assassin for $35.
Switch the SSD to the Hynix P41, it's better and on sale for cheaper right now.
Use the money you saved from those two things to get a better GPU, should put you into 3060 ti or 6700XT range
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>>89940964
To add to this, those are all going to have some kind of sale tomorrow which is why I'm thinking about picking one of them

Do I get one of them or pay like 150€ more for a Gigabyte 27" M27Q P
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>>89940793
you don't, performance of NVME is largely irrelevant in games, especially at the top of the product line.
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dot or x for thermal application
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Is the Ryzen 2600 to 5600 a good upgrade?
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>>89941291
for me, its my natural cum trajectory application.
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>>89941291
X but it doesn't make a huge difference at the end of the day
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Can us britbongs/eu friends not get the P41?

Only Amazon sell the 2TB version for way over price
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Guys how good is the SAMSUNG S80A 27"?
I've been looking for a 4k monitor for design work and this one is half the price on black friday.
60hz is kind of meh tho
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>>89941346
Does it make a huge difference at the beginning of the day?
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Need a recommendation on decent 1440p monitors, bonus for sale
Trying to get 2
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>>89941291
use one of those CPU brackets and do a big dot in the middle

sorted
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>>89941478
Check the OP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE or iiyama G-MASTER GB2760QSU-B1
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>>89941478
Gigabyte M27Q-P is the best for the money
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>>89941507
Thats what i wanted but its still not in stock anywhere
Should I just wait?
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>>89941450
Only on the 69th day of the year
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>>89940014
>>89940090
Wasn't planning on overclocking if I'm being honest, but maybe underclocking. Realistically, though, it'll just run at stock speeds. Maybe in the future I'll overclock it, but I doubt it. Still, if it's the better motherboard, it's only 30 dollars more.
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>>89941538
yes

you wait don't let them win and impulse buy whatever goyslop
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Opinions on the PNY version of the 3070? Apparently Walmart of all places has it at MSRP
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How big of a difference is there between a 3080 10GB and 12GB?
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So Samsung Evo is still the number choice for SSD?
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>>89940781
>mobo is ddr4 not ddr5 so change the ram
nah, this one is

>>89940841
>ignore the above if you're getting an awesome deal from microcenter
450$ for both so yours is way cheaper

>add a 5pack of actic p12 pwm fans for the case, and a couple y-splitters
would I really need this many fans? Maybe I should get a better case?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6J9Kgb
how is that? a lot cheaper so far
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>>89941590
None, unless you're doing 4K Ultra in which case 2077 will tickle the heights of the 12GB
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>>89941507
I can get it but the screen is from the display so idk if I should get it
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>>89941577
Thank you for reminding me fren, I'll be patient
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>>89941193
Probably a tall sandwich case. Like something from SSUPD or Phanteks Evolv. But doesn't look like they can get any longer than 334mm or so, which is the same max limit in some 'normal' itx cases like the NR200 or Torrent Nano.

But you should reel in that insanity if you're trying to stuff a partner 4090/4080 in an itx case.
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>>89941578
PNY makes most teslas and quadros. They gud.
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>>89941297
I fell for the meme and my motherboard would freeze randomly and my ethernet disabled. Not all mobos can upgrade to Zen 3. Likely a rare issue, but I got fucked.
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the benq ew3270u and the benq ew3270ue are the exact same monitor right? e refers to europe I guess?
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idk if am retard or don't know where to find hard evidence. is my i5-9600k significantly bottlenecking my 3080 Ti? i've had it for several months now and the GPU performs brilliant. idk if upgrading now mobo+cpu+cooler+RAM will actually "unlock" significant gains. are 5800X or 5900X worthy upgrades?
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>>89941710
should also mention my only concern is gayming. i don't do any hardcore cpu-exclusive tasks
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>>89941710
depends on the resolution really
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>>89941710
The simplest way is to see the gpu utilization being under 99% in high resolution games. Dont play League of Legends or something to check, play a game a modern game at 4k.
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>>89941478
There's the gigabyte m27q
And the LG 27GP83B-B is a close runner up.

I got the LG one before they raised the price.
Keep an eye out for these. I had a list on a previous pcbg for some other ones. But these are the best you can get for BF.
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>>89941704
What mobo do you have.
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>>89939561
there's just no QC which is a shame because they look better than the strix
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>>89941728
i am on 1440p 144hz monitor. i do enjoy the latest titles at highest gfx settings and high fps though so i'm wondering if the total hardware excluding my 3080Ti will be worth it. i know for a full year basically this is best time to buy
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>>89941602
>would I really need this many fans? Maybe I should get a better case?
iirc that case comes with 2, both of them meh-tier
you'd use 3 in front, 1 in back
you could add the last one as top exhaust, but imo not worth it
still, 4/5 utilization is not bad

>Maybe I should get a better case?
you could, if its cheaper
check out phanteks p400a, meshify 2, lian li lancool mesh II

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6J9Kgb
>how is that? a lot cheaper so far
much better
you can also downgrade to the 5600 non-x, unless you don't save any money that way

btw, if the savings add up enough, you could look into getting a 3080 10gb
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Is using a 1440p monitor to display 1080p on bottlenecked games fucking retarded/deferential?
My upcoming build will probably need to go to 1080p for super new games but I'd like to play older games/watch shit in 1440p.
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>>89941764
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-rev-1x#kf

It eventually reset my bios because it would fail to boot and now Im back on a r5 1600.
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>>89941706
i think so, yea
a cursory look at product pages doesn't reveal anything different

also, in that same class, check out the phillips 328E1CA
pcmonitors.info says its about as good as 60hz va gets, especially in the color/gamma shift and response time departments
if you only care about movie watching, no need tho.
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>>89941797
>5600 not supported

That's why. You should've read the manual my dude.
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WHERE ARE ALL THE DEALS
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>>89941812
apparently the e is for eye care apparently
The non-e only costs 20 euros more so I'll spend a little more to be safe.
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>>89941825
Yep not buying AMD again, you're blaming ME instead of shitty platform? Are you joking? Fucking retarded, what logical reason is it that the 5600 wouldnt work but the 5800x3d or 5800x would? Kys.
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>>89941830
4080 just for 1199!
Buy now!
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>buy ram a week ago
>check price today
>costs $12 more
lol, lmao even
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>>89941830
It's not called black thursday
>>89941851
Newegg has had some 4080s in stock since yesterday which I think is funny
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>>89941861
4080s are in stock everywhere
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>>89941825
Also, you're wrong, it does support it. I had the f51g bios booted up and running for a few days, noticed many issues but I figured it was just having an older processor on the latest bios. But then the internet revealed many others were having issues with Zen 3 on this board.

Zen3 wasnt suppoed to work on B350, AMD didn't want it. AMD lied.
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>>89941877
Oh no... how awful
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Bros, what’s the outlook on the 4070? An anon in another thread told me to wait to see how it is. The 3080, my current pick, is becoming a shittier and shittier deal, whereas the 3070 might be around the same price and perform better than a 3090. Is any of this realistic? Or just complete speculation?
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>>89941830
right here
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>>89941912
My bad, meant to say 4070 instead of 3070 here.
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>>89941912
It'll be $900 and nobody will buy it
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>>89941792
I have a 27 inch 1440 and it runs 1080p perfectly fine
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How the fuck do I cable manage sata cables?
holy fuck i fucking hate these things like you wouldnt believe
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Gigabyte B550M DS3H good? I only need one slot for a graphics card so I don't mind the compact format
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>>89941976
Cable managing is a meme, just leave them all over the place
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>>89941890
>>89941844
Kek I was just fucking with you so I could find more info.

Thanks bro
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>Estimate wattage: 700w
Is a 850w psu is getting too dicey for this shit?
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>>89942001
Also if I ever got a nvme drive it would have to go on the top slot, right above the gpu backplate, would this be a problem for temps?
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Intel please made GPU's that are good for 3D. Ok thanks.
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>>89941912
Price to performance won't be any better.
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>>89941877
>either pushes people up to the 4090 because why not at this price bracket
>or down to the unsold 3000 stock

wow Nvidia never saw this coming, they surely don't plan to cut the price in a few months
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>>89942001
I've got one of their older ds3h boards. All I can really say is that it's functional.
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>>89942045
the GPUs themselves are fine, it's the drivers/software that's the issue, they haven't had decades to perfect something as difficult as software compatibility like AMD/Nvidia have for discrete GPUs

don't expect Intel to fix it anytime soon, it's going to take a lot of time and money to catch up
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>>89942001
shekel up a bit and get ASUS Prime B550M-A
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Is buying a case from Newegg safe? They're the only people that have the Fractal Design Torrent in stock at reasonable price.
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>>89942036
Should be fine.
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>>89942103
Buying from Newegg is never safe, that's why they have cheap prices, they lost reputation.
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I am already using an M2 SSD. All of the SSDs in the OP are M2 and I just want recs for a 1tb SATA SSD since I can only use one M2 SSD and dont need to replace the one I have. What are some good 2.5" SATA SSDs?
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>>89942095
All I ask for is that a) it just works and b) it won't break in the near future
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>>89941976
>sata cables
you can't that's why you stick em in a NAS
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>>89942002
I just got a case with doors that cover all the cables
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>>89942118
Samsung 860 EVO
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>>89942071
please buy our 4080s
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>>89941774
even at 1440p a lot of modern games are GPU-bound, not worth it.
The only gains you will see are in RTS like latest civilization or age of empires.
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>>89942116
How on earth could they fuck up a computer case, though?
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>>89942124
Yeah, should be fine. Don't expect to overclock or anything though.
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>>89942103
i usually get the stuff like cases, psu, and coolers from newegg. everything else i get from microcenter or amazon.
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>>89942156
They send you a banged up case that was returned, and then if you want to return it yourself, they'll say they never got it.
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>>89942103
Just make sure you buy from them and not a third party. I bought my last two cases from them and it was fine. I'd avoid them for components though.
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>>89942161
I've never done overclock on anything so I'm ok
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>>89940513
how is it a "sale" to pay $800 for a card that is 70% worse than a $999 card coming out in three weeks
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>>89942177
Not really surprised as an european. Only bad reviews i usually read are from amazon. All other shops ussually have no problems with fake/faulty/used stuff they send you. Sometimes feels like you're the most corrupt country in the world
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/g/ senpais, I know theres a pc part picker, but I'm so out of date I dont even know whats the standard specs nowadays. What's the meta motherboard, gpu, and cpu should I go for this black friday? I can maybe figure out the rest from that. Budget $1500 pc only, already got accessories. Mostly just play games, if it can run total warhammer 3 at max and load in ~30 seconds I'm happy.
Pls help, plsnobully
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>>89940724
no shit a lot of "brands" use AX210
I'm asking if there's any other chipset than AX210
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>>89942208
newegg is owned by chinese people, not americans
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>>89942213
go to google and type in
logical increments
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>>89942213
>should I go for this black friday
whatever bundles your micro center has by you
otherwise theres absolutely fucking nothing to note on sale yet
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Whats a good monitor set up? I have space and money amd want a baller 1multi monitor set up.
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>>89942213
a ps5
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is there a way to know if a board is compatible with a CPU (asking about AM4 mobos that might need a bios flash for ryzen 5000) without actually assembling the thing and turning it on to see if it POSTs?
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>>89942213
cyber monday
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need a 21 inch anti-glare 1080p budget tv screen, asked in other threads but got no answers, budget 100$-200$
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I tossed the boxes for all my old pc parts. Now that I am upgrading, I want to put my old PC parts in storage since they still work and I can put together another PC with them later. What do I look up on amazon to find proper and safe ways of storing them?
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>>89942237
>>89942243
Thanks anon
>>89942255
>Implying I can use a controller
Reincarnate yourself
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Should I cop on a 6700 XT PULSE for 419 euro? Had rather grabbed a 6800 non-xt but they start at 499 for a XFX model.
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Revised based on feedback >>89939894

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gqK7qm

I think if I were to buy today, this is what I would get. Leaves room in the budget for a nice new keyboard as well. Any suggestions? Again, I'm hesitant to build now because I want to see what mid-range options for Nvidia 40 series will be in January. But, I'm open to buying some of the components here that are on sale for Black Friday. Are there any here that I should absolutely pick up now?
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how much does a 3090 usually cost in the us?
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>>89942309
intel arc is $350 anon
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>>89942261
Read the manufacturer date on the box. If it's older than Ryzen 5000 release then it's a no brainer it won't have the BIOS update preinstalled.
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>>89939554
>Jewtel
Oh no no no
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>>89942276
21in is a pretty uncommon size, the lowest people usually go for monitors is 24in from what I've seen so, it's doubtful people will have any recommendations. You should probably just go on amazon and search.
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>>89942192
>Just make sure you buy from them and not a third party
So as long as it says "sold by newegg", it should be fine? I just wanted to get a case and PSU from Newegg.
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After much deliberation I'm down to two options for a linux multipurpose rig
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>>89942328
New: $1100-1200
Used: $800-900
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The agonizing thing is that these are only $350 apart but very different in capability
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>>89942213
>>89942307
Are you playing at 1080p? You probably don't have to spend $1500 if you are playing at 1080p.

Anyway, since you seem to care about Warhammer a lot, then just get a 5800X3D since it rapes those kinds of games (even Intel admits this, see pic related).
>5800X3D - $320
>16gb of 3200 DDR4 - $45
>AM4 motherboard - $100
>3080 or 6800xt - $550-650
>1tb NVME drive - $85
>case for $100 would be Pure Base 500DX

so thats like $1,250 and overkill for 1080p warhammer.
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>>89942388
>nvidia
>linux
anon, I....
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forgot pic
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>>89942404
you think the price is gonna drop next month? i'm traveling to the us in january, but with those prices, i think it might make more sense for me to buy one now
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>>89942384
For a case, it should be fine. I'd avoid buying anything other than that there though, they have a bad reputation. It could just be that the bad reputation is from a vocal minority though, so if you can't find the PSU you want elsewhere it *might* be okay.
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>>89942432
and the non-ant version. This is Intel's own marketing slide, pathetic.
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>>89942388
>>89942411
the intel/nvidia buils is clealy superior, especially in gaming
run a windows VM, pass through the dedicated gpu and the p-cores, run the host on the igpu and e-cores
also consider looking glass

for both builds:
-replace the TG paste with mx-4 or nht-2
-replace the case with something GN has reviewed favorably (eg p360a at this priceclass)
-replace the psu with evga/corsair/seasonic. 650w would be enough
-under no condition should you go 1080p/144hz
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not exactly PC building...
but what's a good prebuilt for an office wagie that's on sale rn? Something like an optiplex but not total shit
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Any recommendations for upgrading from a 2600x? Currently have a 5700xt and targeting 1440p 144hz.
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>>89942442
Maybe I dunno. The 3090 will still fetch a premium for a while just because it has tons of VRAM.
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>>89942485
5800X3D assuming your primary objective is gaymen. But make sure your motherboard can update the BIOS for it.
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>Arctic MX-4 got a $1 discount for Black Friday
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH
WOOO WOOO WOOOO WOOOOO WOOOO
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Surely the Christmas sales will be better, right guys?
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>>89942531
Y-yeah man. I always hear mid feb is the best time to buy too...
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What do you guys think? Brings it down essentially to 139 for a platinum PSU which is maybe just a bit more than a lot of golds. Or is there a better deal floating around?
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>>89942458
They've got a pretty good discount on a new, sold by neweggg Seasonic power supply that's out of stock everywhere else.
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>>89941780
780$ for 3080 is a little too much, thanks a lot for help though
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>>89942576
Fuck I suck.
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when do i need 6 cores?
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>>89942641
when your application requires or optionally lets you specify
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>>89942576
What's your GPU/CPU combo
Anything 12700k + 3080+, probably need a 1000W especially if you OC
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>>89942663
Right now 13600k + probably a 3070 but i think even an 850W would be fine for a 3080TI would it not?
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Im not going to overclock, should I even bother with an aftermarket cooler
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12100F vs 12400F

I aint gonna 4k or VR.
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>>89942711
currently, 5600 non-x is usually best value
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>>89942711
the cheaperest one sirs
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>>89942709
If you are buying anything over i5 / 3060 yes you will need an aftermarket cooler
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>>89942720
they cost much as the 12400F tho..
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>>89939304
>Avoid: Samsung 970 EVO Plus
Why? It's recommended on the flowchart?
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>>89942681
I think you need to calc for GPU spikes + a little bit of headroom - i've seen the calc to be 1.5 average load + 100 throw about
In the UK, there's barely a £30 difference between a 850 and 1000W so I went for the safety option

Plus the 1000W would give you room to OC to a decent level
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>>89942740
The 12100F. 120 Dollars sir.. the cheapest of the 5600 costs 180dollars..
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>>89942709
upper end cpus dont come with stock coolers so you have to buy one. also even if you dont oc, the stock cooler is going to be much louder than a aftermarket on.
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What does rebate mean? We don't have that in europooristan.
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>>89942745
then get the 12400f, its a better chip
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>>89942801
cores and threads really that important my good sirs? thought it was only good for ultra 4k modded skyrim futadong porns?? sir..
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>>89942788
Pay more now, get a kickback later
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>>89942711
Ironically at higher resolutions the CPU matters less. You need a powerful cpu for 1080p, higher resolutions are GPU limited. I suggest a 12600k, if you are in the US you can get it with a free motherboard I believe.
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>>89941774
Am I the only one that finds girls smoking cigarettes really hot?
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Is AIO watercooling for the CPU generally recommended? AFAIK all the coolers in the ltt cooler thread tier 1 from OP are watercoolers, but I've never used one, are they worth?
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>>89942853
And they're hoping most people don't bother jumping through their hoops. And people usually do ignore rebates worth $10-$15 or less.
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>>89942860
>You need a powerful cpu for 1080p
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>>89942840
for ONLY gaming (by which i mean you close everything else before starting the game), 4c/8t is fine
there are still some gains in some gains from more, but nothing too major

tldr if going 12100f means you can get a better gpu, ok, do it
otherwise, spend the extra 50 shekels.
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>>89942860
I got the feeling that you're a bot. Sorry botkun, the game is OVER, DONE, NADA. SPIUCH..
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>>89942763
i mean idk, seems like is still have plenty of space to play with. Would an OC on anything really push this to the brink?
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>>89942874
its extremely recommended for high end cpus and/or if you are noise sensitive
i'd say if you are getting something beefier than the bog standard 12400/5600, go aio
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>>89942874
you get better temps but you have to replace or repair the thing in 8-10 years.
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>>89942874
>13th Gen / 3xxx series + GPU
I made the change, there's so much more room in my case
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>>89942912
I'm not, but I'm someone who would put pineapple on pizza.
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>>89942917
I would say there wouldn't be any day to day issues, but if the prices between an 850/1000 is less than $/£50 i'd get the 1000 just for ease of mind.

But monitor the threads and see what other anons say
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>>89942905
Mmh thanks Anon. I'll have to ask my cock If it's worth saving that 60$ at the price of not having any futa porn in the backround..
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>>89942931
And now I'm talking with a human. I know what ''You'' are. Your LIES shall not fool me ANYLONGER.
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>All this talk of AIOs and air coolers
I seem to remember a decade ago that Peltier coolers were going to be the hottest new shit, what happened?
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is there a consensus on the B550 boards that appeared in 2022? like the MSI B550-P gen3.
it's harder to find reviews for these.
i couldn't even find anything about its VRM on MSI's page.
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>>89942137
What is the difference between the 860 and the 870?
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>>89942950
I mean...guess I could get a gold 1000W instead of a platinum 850W...since this build may turn into an "upgrade my GPU later" type (I'm the same anon thinking of buying a b stock 3070 instead and just waiting for prices to unfuck one way or another since my 13600k is apparently outclassing my GPU by a fair amount)
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Any good? GPU is placeholder for wattage estimate, not sure which one I'm gonna pick yet
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>>89943011
You have to cool the hot side of the peltier.
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>i5 13600K
i-it'll go down in price by cyber monday and totally not sell out r-right?
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>>89943176
oh you didn't snag one when it was $300 on amazon? You might get lucky but probably buy it from somewhere when you see and return if you gotta. That's why I bought one.

Although I'm sitting here still debating on whether or not i wanna return it and go pay $350 from microcenter for a 12700k + free mobo instead...$50-60 of gas though round trip
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Opinions? For programming, multitasking etc.
Can intel iGPU UHD 770 handle 2 27" 1440p with no problems? I will also get some cheap cooler to replace the box one.

Intel Core i5-12500, 3 GHz, 18 MB, BOX
MSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4
Kingston Fury Beast, DDR4, 32 GB, 3200MHz, CL16
be quiet! Pure Power 11 FM 550W
Modecom Oberon Pro Silent
Kingston KC3000 1 TB M.2

Dell S2721DS 27" 1440p
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Upgrading from a 2700x

Was this entirely necessary when I could have just got a 5800x and avoided buying a new cooler, ram, and mobo? Probably not.

Will I get screwed over the by intel mantra of "a socket change a day makes the goyim pay"? Probably.

I'm surprised ddr5 is as cheap as it is right now.

Any idea what I should look out for on m2 drives specifically?
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>i5 13600K
>420USD
You niggas fr?
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>>89943199
>$300
it still is friend. in fact $295 on newegg for me. i'm the same anon, wondering if it'll go down more. ya'll saying i should just consoom now?
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>>89943202
Do you mean for gaming or just general productivity? I connect two 1080p monitors to my 8th gen T480 and it does fine. Sometimes pisses and farts when i plug in my 1920 x 1200 and 144p monitor though.

If you think gaming, absolutely positively not, you're gonna have to really down the resolution (and maybe disable the second monitor) to get something passable.
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>>89943202
imo, for programming, 100% go 27/4k/60hz
text gains are real, pic related

as for the igpu, it should be able to handle 3x 4k/60hz, tho in practice you will most likely be limited to 2 because most mobos have 2 display outputs

>Modecom Oberon Pro Silent
i don't even know what that is, lol, so just replace it with something from a brand we've heard of before.
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>>89943227
not for me, but I doubt it'll go lower than 295 anyways. I'd grab it. Newegg has the black friday protection right? could probably dispute it or at worst just return it. I've heard newegg has been real shit about things since tigerdirect died though
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SN850X or Platinum P41? Both are $170.
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Just bought an RX 6800 for 550€, did I fuck up?
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>>89943208
990 pro
P41
SN850X
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I have a 3090 ti. is there a good case that's designed to be placed on its side with the motherboard sitting horizontally? I don't wanna use those retarded brackets to keep my gpu from breaking off
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>>89943281
yea
a much cheaper 3060ti would've been fine for 1440p
and both cards are incapable of 4k
so what did you gain exactly?
more fps in esports?
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>>89943281
nah, good deal
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>>89943281
About a year ago I got the 3070ti for around 800$(which costed same as the 3060ti). I got the 11400 instead of the F. I got the shutcase or whatever it's called instead of Airflow(corsair 4000D), I got some board that only allows 1 M.2

And worst of all, I payed too much for everything. I blame that I only had 1days to research. And that I'm actually retarded.. It was also the first time I ever read something a bout computers. I atleast know better now..
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>>89943326
>3060ti
Meh, only 80-90€ difference in Italy, can't see how that would have been a better option when you compare the perfomance.
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>>89943276
P41 is slightly better all around according to tweaktown. Can’t go wrong with either though.
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Thinking about upgrading from a 2600x. The 5600x is cheap as fuck right now at 160 smackaroos, should I get that or the 5800x?
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>>89943276
SN850X is marginally better for gaming, P41 is better overall though. If priced evenly the P41.

990 Pro beats both but its pricey right now compared to the other two.
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>>89943374
you'd have saved 80-90 yuros and gotten functionally the same perf
possibly even better perf in AAAs with dlss, im not 100% sure on the numbers
but it doesn't matter
what's done is done
pray you don't end up learning why some many anons are viciously opposed to amd gpus...
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What are the differences between the M27Q and M27Q-P? The second is newer and almost $100 cheaper, but is out of stock.
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>>89943391
5600 non-x for best value
5700x for best value but you want 8 cores because it sounds nice
5800x3d if you plan to upgrade to a beefy gpu soon
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>>89943422
m27q has a BGR subpixel layout, which will negatively affect text rendering in apps that don't follow cleartype rules (eg chrome)
otherwise they're pretty close in perf

>The second is newer and almost $100 cheaper, but is out of stock.
that is fucking weird
the m27q has an msrp around 300, the m27q-pro is at 400ish
in fact the main reason the m27q became so popular is that (aside from being BGR) it performs more like a 400shekel panel, at 100 shekels less

anyways, some other panels to look for:
msi mag274qrf-qd, asus rog xg27aq, acer nitro xv272u kv
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>>89943426
>5700x for best value but you want 8 cores because it sounds nice
>5800x3d if you plan to upgrade to a beefy gpu soon
There is no difference between these unless you're at 1080p, especially not with a big GPU. Your advice kinda got real shit there at the middle and end. Just get a 5900X at that rate if you actually want to serve a big gpu, and it'll be cheaper than a 5800X3D.
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>>89943229
No gayming, just programming, calculating, analyzing, compiling, and stuff.

>>89943241
Will Look into 4k monitors, but my budget is rather low, which is also the reason why I choose that case, maybe I will reconsider to avoid headaches in the future.
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Fuck I am tired of waiting.
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>>89943506
keep waiting brother

we will have our day
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>>89943411
look at these massive gains, whole 10 microseconds
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>>89943486
There is no difference between these unless you're at 1080p
That's not true. The 5800X3D will perform better in simulation games / MMOs / poorly coded single-threaded games due to the extra cache, even at 1440p+.
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>>89943501
I mean you might wanna consider just picking up a cheapass GPU to drive your monitors either way to take pressure off your CPU but follow your dreams
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>>89943535
gains are still gains
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is cyber monday a real ass thing? like should I expect any better deals Monday as compared to Friday?
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>>89943501
>Will Look into 4k monitors, but my budget is rather low
don't worry about it, 27/4k/60hz and 27/1440p/144hz is fairly similarly priced
decent entry level options at 300, more features at 400, super high end stuff close to $1k.
and that's without discounts ofc

eg the lg27up650 or the asus vg289q should both be around 300 shekels without discounts
something fancier like the dell s2722qc or the lg 27up850 will run you 400-ish, and you get a better panel, usb-c connectivity and such

imo just get 2 of the budget ones and call it a day
you don't need wide gamuts and stuff for programming, just the resolution
if using a work laptop with them, ask your work to buy you a usb-c dock with 2xhdmi/dp outputs (make sure they're capable of 4k/60hz) and some usb ports for mouse/kb
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>>89943464
My mistake, the M27Q-P was 37% off when it was in stock, so that’s why I saw a lower price.
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>>89943574
absolutely irrelevant ones.
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>>89943579
these days not really.
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>>89943547
I didn't realize it had an effect in 1440p, I will admit I only checked in the games I play and it made no difference. But is this really worth between $120-$160 more than a 5700X? Makes me more excited for 7000 series 3D vcache models.
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>>89943624
>But is this really worth between $120-$160 more than a 5700X?
it is if you're playing those specific games or you plan to get a beefy gpu
(and you already have an am4 mobo, if building from scratch 13600k is better)
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>>89943670
what does the beefy GPU have to do with anything? resolution and age of CPU seem to be the issue at hand. If you're utilizing the GPU at 4K then you need more cores and faster cores than the 5800X3d offers. ie 4090 really needs 13900K/7950X and it is still CPU constrained at 4K in some games. 5800X3D most certainly wouldn't be helping there, unless there's some benchmark I haven't seen yet.
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How's my build /pcbg/
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rctW8r
Trying to keep it within the 1000$ range
I'm a bit iffy on the Motherboard and I'm looking for something else that let's me stay in that money range
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>>89943579
depends on the place
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What's a cheap 27" 1440p 120-160hz monitor with good color calibration out of the box?
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b450 + Ryzen 5500 for $130
or 12100f + H610m for $170?
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>>89943780
I'm thinking about buying better CPU later, btw
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>>89943715
>what does the beefy GPU have to do with anything?
if you plan to get a beefy gpu, you'd obviously want to avoid bottlenecking it.
assuming you already have am4, the x3d is the cheapest way to do that
the x3d is bottleneck free until you get to a 4090
the 5600 will show bottlenecks with a lesser gpu

> If you're utilizing the GPU at 4K then you need more cores and faster cores than the 5800X3d offers
other way around, lol
at 4k, nearly every gpu would be fine with a 5600
at 1080p, even the x3d wouldn't be enough for a 4090 (it would be for everything else tho)
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>>89943727
among gaming monitors, gigabyte generally has the best oob accuracy
g27q, m27q, m27q-pro
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man asrock's bios is bad
everything has absolutely baffling names, I have no idea how to even enable EXPO on this bios
nothing can detect the cpu / case fans plugged in except the bios
nothing can detect the rgb headers -- including the bios, the asrock rgb software thinks its all one giant DDRAM stick when ironically RAM is one of the only non RGB things in the system

I should have listened
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>R5 4500 for at 41% off, 90 eurobucks
I know there are better CPUs but it's so fucking cheap I might just go for it
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>>89943864
fuck no
a 120 shekel 12100f shits all over it to a ridiculous extent
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>>89943864
Why would you buy such a low end cpu?
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Realistically how bad are the response times of AOC 24G2SPU? Are they "I'd rather get a TN" level bad or not something I'd be able to notice unless I game on another monitor with lower response time?
I like to play competitive FPS games but I also play a wide variety of single player games and watch a bit of movies.
I know nothing about the monitor numbers and only ever used 60hz ones.
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>>89943812
no not the other way around, Do you think needs just drop because the GPU is fully utilized at 4K? this ain't 2017 anymore, games demand a lot of fast cores and will use them and you can see that well before you get to a 4090 in performance. Just since 2020, I have had 5600X, 5950X, 7700x, and 7950X. RX 6800, 3090ti, and now 4090. I can confidently say after being a 4K gamer for 3+ yrs that CPU makes a massive difference.
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>>89943864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsdeJszdV7I
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>>89943906
extremely bad for an ips, wtf
i legit thought it was a VA
man, AOC is trying to kill the good name of the 24g2 (different panel, 144hz max, easy way to tell)
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>>89943893
My current CPU is a mid tier 4th gen i5 from 8 years ago so it's not like it would be a small improvement
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>>89943946
>14 minutes of some nerd talking
Give me tl;dr
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Could anyone give an opinion on whether to get the Asus VG32VQ1BR or the Samsung C32G55? Both are VA 32" 144hz+ 1440p. The asus has a slightly less aggressive curve.
>why not IPS
Buying it mostly for desktop use/media playback so I'd rather have lower backlight bleed/better contrast than less ghosting/smearing. Though if there are any comparable IPS models in terms of price and specs I'd be happy to take a look.
>why not OLED/4k/lower screen size
No budget for 4k and 92ppi has been fine so far. Also a single screen setup so 32 inches seems optimal.
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>>89943974
r5 4500... bad
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>>89943946
At $80 it makes some sense in a poormax build, At least if you insist on new parts. Should have been the launch price tbqhwyf.
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>>89943974
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>>89943989
neither one
buy the Phillips 328E1CA
review here:
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-328e1ca/

about as good as it gets for response times before you go g7
and its 4k which is very important for movie watching
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>>89943722
Are ya gonna OC your CPU?
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What's an easy way of transferring hundreds of gbs of pirated games and movies from my laptop to my new pc? Shit I have bought on steam is easy, but I don't feel like downloading games like RDR2 from scratch. Should I just buy a 128gb usb stick and call it a day, or is there any epic quirky file transfer software?
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>>89943962
then get a mid tier 12/13th gen i5 from today and you will go to the moon
t. i did exactly that
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>>89944064
Probably not, gonna use it mostly for work
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How big is the difference in emulation between a ryzen 5 5600 and Ryzen 7 5700x? There's a nice discount for the 5700x, and it's on the A-tier on the rpcs3 cpu tierlist. There are a few ps3 games I'd like to play at playable frames. My shitty laptop already emulates Switch fine, so not worried about how the cpu will handle that
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>>89944015
Appreciate the suggestion but I'm looking for a 144hz+ monitor and 4k ones cost a hell of a lot more. Also most of my media is still in blu-ray (fhd) quality, so I wouldn't get the full 4k benefit anyways.
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>>89943954
Anything you can recommend for a budget IPS 144ghz monitor that's not the original G2 (sold out in my area)?
I checked some reviews from what reviewers used to recommend in the past.
Benq EX2510S is a downgrade from non-S., original 2510 not available anymore. There's also EX240 but no credible reviews are available for it.
Gigabyte G24F has a chance of coil while which I'm not willing to risk, F2 fixes that but again seems like an overall downgrade in some other areas.
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>>89944069
Just do a file transfer through your network?
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>>89944146
To clarify, I'm just trying to decide between the two monitors I listed as they seem to have very little differences.
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Is this worth the money or should I just go for the Peerless Assassin 120 SE???
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>>89944069
You could just transfer them via your network.
Or connect the laptop and PC directly together with an ethernet cable for faster transfers, it takes some setting up but it's nothing a google search can't solve.
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>>89943989
>144hz+ 1440p
>Buying it mostly for desktop use/media playback
Why 144Hz then? I'd go 4k60hz
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>>89944200
What CPU?
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>>89944171
maybe some dell or lg panel?
desu im not sure, i don't really follow 1080p panels anymore, its a pretty dead segment for new builds
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>>8994423

13600k
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>>89944200
sorry
with an i5-13600k
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>>89944146
>>89944197
look, anon, its your money
but i'd strongly advise against a high refresh VA
its kinda like an obese chick wearing a bikini.

>budget concerns
i dunno what your panels cost like, but the phillips i suggested is 350-400 shekels, very reasonable

>1080p media
mpv and FSRCNNX are your friends
you are pirating, r-right anon?
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>27" TUF Gaming VG27AQZ for 269€
>27" Odyssey G50A S27AG50 for 229€
Do I buy one of them or pay 420€ for a m27q p?
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>5600G
165$
>5600
170$
>5600X
210$

Wtf, what's even the diff? I know only G have intergrated graphics but all can OC.. 5600 and 5600X have 32MB L3 cache and G have 16. but is that really all? Im kina confused..
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>>89944335
5600g is a highly cucked version of the 5600. The 5600x is maybe like 1% better than the 5600 at best, while costing much more.
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>>89944335
buy the 5600 non-x
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lmao the MSRP 3070 at walmart is already gone
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>>89944222
>>89944275
The main focus is desktop use with some light gaming once or twice a week but I'm just scared to make the switch from my age old 144hz tn panel. I've been trying to decide between different panel types and manifacturers for weeks now and don't know what to do anymore anons, maybe I'll just stick to my 24 inch till it goes bust
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>>89944349
That's... kinda werid?
>>89944360
I will.. I'll suppose that there's no more difference than what I've said..
mmh nice to get this over with so fast.
thanks>>89944349
>>89944360
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>>89939304
Do I get a 13700k if I just game mostly?
Or is the ryzen price range actually becoming competitive?
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>>89944274
If you're not planning on doing any OCing you can get away with a Peerless Assassin on a 13600k
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>>89944393
The 13700k is for multicore dickwaving, you only need the single core performance from the 13600k
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>>89944393
If you're talking about Zen 4, Ryzen is absolutely worth considering as long as you live near a Microcenter. And no, if you just game the 13600k is the only 13th gen CPU you should be considering.
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>>89944428
>>89944435
It's mostly that the benchmarks I see show the 13700k is better in cpu bound games like total war, paradox titles, and MMO's which I usually play.

But I also play on a 1440p ultrawide

I know there is diminishing returns but is that visible at that resolution? Is there a place to see benchmarks for that?
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>>89944335
>5600x
launched 1st for $300 by cocky AMD, should have cost $250, should now cost $150.
>5600
Launched a year late because AMD was greedy, roughly $118 USD right now.
>5600g
basically a 5500 but with a GPU chiplet, so its automatically worth more lol. They tried to charge $340 for that shit. Finally worth it for $120, at least for my home server. 5600X is great for gaming but really showing its age at this point.
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>>89944371
look anon, its quite simple
if you primarily care about gaming, buy 27/1440p/144hz ips
if you primarily care about media, buy 32/4k/60hz VA. bonus point, the 4k res and extra real estate will also make it better for general desktop use

the ips panel will suck at movies, primarily because shit contrast, also because 1440p
the VA panel will suck at gaming because shit response times and 60hz
its a balancing act. what do you care more about?

this is why i suggested the particular phillips panel, it has fairly decent response times *for a VA*
you're still gonna have visible ghosting, but less than with other VAs, and imo decent enough not to ruin gaming for you

oh, btw, there is also the option of 27/4k/60hz ips
that one is optimal for desktop use/work due to having the best text quality of all options
but 60hz, so not as good for gaming as 1440p/144hz
and ips, so not as good for movies as VA
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>>89944393
You'd get a 13_6_00K for framechasing.
You'd get a 12400 or 5600 for mainstream gaming at higher res.
The 13700K and other high core count chips are more for production. Not to say that you can't game on them but it's mostly wasted money if that's all you do.
As for Zen4 it's still not really competitive at the "gaming" core counts. Although it is worth a look if you live near a Microcenter.
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>>89944484
I live sort of close to a microcenter, is the ram deal really that crazy?
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>>89944428
That dickwaving speed is what compiles your code, compresses your files, saves your images, and many other functions.
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>>89943722
3060ti
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so uh...new thread?
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>>89944470
AMD quite greedy huh.. bad taste of zin..

So the L3 cache make no diff for games? If it make no I'll just go for G, if my GPU ever breaks and I wanna watch youtube or play 40years old games withit..
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Are M-ATX boards not supposed to be used with graphics cards with more than 1 fan? The SATA port (the ones where the cable comes in perpendicular to the board) placement looks like it would get blocked by 2-fan cards, let alone 3-fan ones
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>>89944510
yea, but most people only spend a few minutes per day, if at all, doing things like that
most people here are gamers, the only time they will actually tax their cpu to 100% is when installing a fitgirl repack
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>>89944570
no 5600/5600X are best for gaming do not get the 5600g unless you absolutely need an igpu.
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>>89944582
So bigger L3 Cache the better?
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>>89944570
do not get the 5600g under any circumstances
if you want an igpu, look into the 12400 non-f
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>>89944477
Thank you for the explanation, the problem I feel is that my current usage is somewhat in the middle. But I think that I'm willing to sacrifice gaming for the better contrast. And a dumb question, but the ghosting is only a real issue in games that you control and not in fast-moving content (e.g. sports), right?
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>>89944602
lol yes, if you're so obsessed with l3 cache get a 5800x3d man
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>>89944501
It's good. Makes the platform /competitive/ but still maybe not the right choice. The main problem with Zen4 is that the whole system is ~$100 more than a comparable Intel config. Saving that $100 on the RAM brings it into rough price:performance parity.
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>>89944573
The placement and orientation of SATA ports is independent of the board form factor. If your card impinges on them you could try a 90° SATA cable.
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>>89944609
AGHHHHHHHHH I go 5600 thank you.
>>89944617
300$ for the 32Mb. NOOO
500$ for 100Mb
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>no new thread
I guess the shills are asleep.
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>>89944653
wow triple the L3 for just over 1.5x the price? That sounds like a deal.
>>89944664
thank god.
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are there any rdna3 benchmarks yet
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>>89944677
based on amd numbers
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>>89944665
>That sounds like a deal.
>665
I would say with the devil but I guess not. NO doubt many child sacrifices had to be made for these computer components btw..
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>>89944677
yeah they're shit
buy nvidia
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>>89943281
Anyone buying mid-range is fucking up considering we're getting new mid-range early next year. Only people buying the 6600 make sense because we're not getting low end 7600 anytime soon.
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>>89944701
glad I got a 4090 lmao and if I change my mind, there's an extra $1K in my pocket, you really can never go wrong with Nvidia.
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Talk me out of 384 eurodollars for 5800X3D + cooler.
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>>89944714
>Anyone buying mid-range is fucking up
I just buy 3060ti for 500$. ok.
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>>89944714
>just wait until the end of time bro the next best deal is around the corner
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>>89944613
>the ghosting is only a real issue in games that you control and not in fast-moving content (e.g. sports), right?
simply put, yes, only for gaming

the actual explanation is this:
VA panels have slow response times, especially in dark transitions
recall that a pixel is not really *a pixel*, but really its 3 subpixels working together, a red, green, and blue one.
so in order for a pixel to change color, really what happens is the rgb subpixels change brightness

response times are a measure of how fast subpixels can change their brightness
we tend to refer to them with a single number, but that's not quite accurate
really, the response time can vary depending on the starting and end states
so, eg going from 0% to 50% brightness might take a different amount of time than going from 80% to 20%

VA panels have trouble with transitioning from dark to light and vice versa
to put some numbers on all of this, see picrel, the response times of a VA panel
the top table measure the time to complete a transition by 80% (ie get most of the way there)
the middle panel measure the times to complete a transition fully
bottom panel measures the overshoot (by how much it exceeds the target state on its way there)

anyways, as you can see in the picrel, transition times are not strictly speaking fast enough for 60hz
1sec / 60 = 16ms, so a true 60hz panel needs to complete transitions within 16ms

at this point, its worth noting that the phillips i suggested is noticeably better than the benq in picrel

anyways, all of this mostly applies to gaming
movie/TV content is almost always 24fps
1sec / 24 = 50ms, so even a VA is perfectly fast enough for that stuff
which is why VA panels are so much more popular for TVs than IPS
their main drawback, the crappy response times, doesn't apply to 24fps content, they're plenty fast enough for that.
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>>89944714
What do you define as early? RX 6700 XT was released mid-March after the 6800 (XT) were released mid-November.
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Can someone more experienced look this over before I commit tomorrow?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z2KhJM
This + a used 3060 I managed to find for a decent price.

I just want to know how well these parts would work together, rather than focus on the prices as most are not displayed correctly and are at least 20% off (this would set me back some 900€, but I have another 200 to work with). I don't need the most optimal build, just something that can take gaming on medium and mostly serve as a work PC for 5-ish years.
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>>89944773
Oh and I have a 1080p 144Hz monitor (one).
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>>89944773
>>89944783
looks great anon, should work excellently for 1080 hi refresh. Yeah the only thing that did concern was me was price of the psu lol
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>R5 5600
>MSI PRO B550-P GEN3
>Corsair DDR4 2x8 3200CL16
y/n
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Is there differrence between black and white case? I mean like it's said to be higher temp for humans too, with black clothes.. white clothes give better airflow between armhole and balls, yes?
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>>89944800
The PSU is actually 105 USD, the 550W one is only $5 cheaper so I might as well.
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>>89944801
go 32gb ram, same specs
the rest is fine
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why is 3060ti not recommended for 1440p anymore? it was okay some year ago..
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>>89944836
I agree, the $400 tier hasn't moved too much in the last year. I guess the 6600XT is much better value for $100+ less but 3060ti is still great.
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>>89944836
wtf
it absolutely is
you mean in the OP? if so, feel free to ignore that shit, it changes depending on whether its made by an amd shill or an nvidia shill
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for 2tb
>SK Hynx P41
>WD sn850x
>samsung 980 pro
Performance here doesn't seem as big of a deal but it seems like the samsung beats them on peak temps under load. Am I missing something? Don't wanna worry about my nvme frying for no good reason. Everyone says the P41 is the best followed by WD followed by samsung, but my limited research points that the samsung temps are the best? Ideally would like to get by with the heat sink on whatever mobo I buy
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>>89944917
don't worry about temps, get the cheapest
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>>89944936
they're basically all the same, kek.
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>>89944917
>slowest drive runs coolest
go figure
wont matter with a heat sink
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Please rate before I commit in a few hours:
AMD 7700X + 32GB 5200 DDR5 + 3070 + Gigabyte B650 AORUS PRO + not activated windows 7 for 1440p multiplayer games at 144hz
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>>89944973
awful, slow ram, windows 7. Also pretty overpriced for a b650, but clearly you're committed to middling choices.
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>>89944973
>am5
>zen4
no, not unless from microcenter with free ram, $100 discount on the mobo, plus a handjob in the back room from a qt3.14 cashier.

go 13600k/z690/ddr5 instead.

>3070
yeap

>not activated windows 7 for 1440p multiplayer games at 144hz
based, but no
go to /fwt/, ask them to hook you up with free win11 + debloating
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>>89944973
going up to a 3080 and spending less on everything else will probably give more fps
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>>89944973
cpu "not compatible" with windows 7
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Are there any good sales in Australia?
I'm looking at buying a case, PSU, memory, SSDs, monitor and CPU cooler
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>>89944827
>32gb ram with budget gpu
Bruh, 32gb only makes sense if your'e running virtual machines. By the time 32gb actually helps in gaming, he'd need a whole new upgrade to DDR5+.
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I'm upgrading my old warhorse GTX 980, is it worth getting an Asus ROG Strix 3070 TI for 769€ at this time?
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>>89944973
Post 1 game where you need more than 16gb. I'll wait.
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>>89945041
R5 5600 as in Ryzen 5 5600, not a gpu
My GPU will still be my trusty old R9 380X until I upgrade that a few months down the line
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>>89945041
what a stupid reply. I regulalry use 32gb while gaming. Everyone in this thread could go up to 64gb.
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First Build
Want it mainly for programming and game development, but I wanted something decent for games. Put more towards CPU and RAM over GPU, but I think it should be good for my needs

>Case
LIAN LI Lancool III RGB Black ATX Mid Tower
>CPU
Intel Core i9-12900K
>Motherboard
MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel SATA
>GPU
MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB
>RAM
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000
>SSD
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS 2TB
>PSU
ASUS ROG STRIX 850G 850W Gold Power Supply
>Cooler
MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 AIO Liquid, 360mm, LGA 1700 Ready
>OS
Windows 11 Pro (USB)
>Monitor
GIGABYTE M34WQ 34" 144Hz Ultrawide 3440 x 1440 IPS Display, 1ms

Will everything work together? Any improvements? I saw the motherboard saying it needs a dedicated LGA 1700 mounting bracket for the cooler I'm assuming? Do I need something else with the cooler or is it fine as is?
Also I know I'll need thermal compound for the cooler. Any other extra tools I'll need?
Keyboard and mouse I'm not too concerned about since I like single player more and might even just use a controller for a lot of games. Any suggestions for mouse or keyboard?
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>>89945041
You're underestimating how lazy modern game devs are
Games easily use 14+ GB nowadays
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>>89945055
Yea I meant to say cpu, no reason to go 32gb if you can't allocate cores and ram to a virtual machine while you run a game on top. Don't listen to retards like blow, save your money.
>>89945062
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Still waiting for a good price on a 24GB CUDA gpu in Germany, but if there's nothing tomorrow I might as well pay the high price since it just won't fall. (3090 TI is also on the table, for a good price)
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>>89945062
Post the porn modded VR 4k texture waterfluid waters(pee) game. NOW!
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new thread:

>>89945077
>>89945077
>>89945077
>>89945077
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>>89945075
>>89945084
I use between 16-22gb just to shitpost. up to 36gb for work or gaming.
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>>89945096
That's Windows allocating a huge chunk of your ram because it can though, and same goes for browsers like Edge that do the same thing.
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>>89945053
The only smart GPU deal on Jimm's sold out already (6900XT for 599), rest is kind of shit.
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i want to build a pc for 1440p gaming, which brands are best when it comes to coolness/quietness? i'm happy to pay a bit more for this
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>>89945096
rookie numbers



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